Photios00

Atlantis

A number of concerns have been raised as to your suggested edit. You need to read wp:not and wp:rs.Slatersteven (talk) 13:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

What specific concerns are there? There is a direct reference in Wikipedia to an Atlantis location hypothesis that is solely mine and should be covered by copyright. It is explained in a book I have published - Plato's Caribbean Atlantis. The hypothesis was put on Wikipedia by an unknown person and does not cite my book as the original source of the hypothesis. Many other location hypotheses, including that which immediately follows mine, have citations. I only request that a clearer description of my hypothesis replaces the one placed on Wikipedia without my knowledge or approval, and for the entry to cite my original work.

You need an RS saying this, you are not an RS for this claim.Slatersteven (talk) 08:49, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Who placed my location hypothesis on the Wikipedia page? It is taken directly from my published book and should be cited as such. If it was an RS who inserted it, they should know the original source to be my copyrighted work and therefore should acknowledge it. I am only asking for a more accurate description of my original work and for it to be cited. Kind regards, Dr Photios Phillip Flambas MB,BS MBA

NO you assume it was, it could have been taken from the other sources in that section. By the way, I recall the Caribbean (such as Bimini) being stated as a site for Atlantis from the 70's. So which site exactly are you referring to?Slatersteven (talk) 09:29, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Dear Steven, I have no doubt that my location hypothesis is my original work. Yes, there are a couple of other Caribbean area location hypotheses such as Bimini but none like mine, which was first published in 2016. My hypothesis describes a landmass of over one million square kilometres, much of which is now submerged.

To repeat what I included for an edit: One hypothetical location is an emergent island in the Eastern Caribbean formed by a combination of the now-submerged Venezuelan Basin and Beata and Aves Ridges, and the existing islands of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola in the Greater Antilles.(please include citation as below) Flambas, PP (2020). Plato's Caribbean Atlantis (2nd ed). Vivid Publishing. ISBN 978-1-922409-77-5

I can send you maps and diagrams of the region from my book if you need further convincing that it is my original work.

If it was published in 2016, why is the publication date 2020?Slatersteven (talk) 10:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

As to your idea.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atlantis-Caribbean-Comet-Changed-World/dp/1591432650 (LOL, Andrew Colins), 2016

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Atlantis/hKVQFP47tJQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=atlantis+was+Puerto+Rico&pg=PA310&printsec=frontcover, 2001

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Lemuria_and_Atlantis/Cs7GYuIV7UAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=atlantis+was+Puerto+Rico&pg=PT21&printsec=frontcover, 2004.

No you did not originate this idea.Slatersteven (talk) 10:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

My book was released as a second edition in 2020. The first edition was 2016. None of the books you list have anything to do with my hypothesis. If they mention the Caribbean, they do not define anything like my hypothesis. I repeat for the third time that I alone defined Plato's description of the Atlantic Island as being the ″Venezuelan Basin and Beata and Aves Ridges, and the existing islands of Puerto Rico and Hispaniola″.

There is a copyright problem here that needs to be resolved. If not by you, then by someone else working on behalf of Wikipedia. Please respond to my following questions: When was the relevant entry on the location hypothesis made and by whom? What is the reference for that entry and why was it not cited? I again claim that the exact location hypothesis was from my original work and from no other source. If there is no prompt response form you, I will need to take my copyright complaint to a higher level with Wikipedia.

Please read WP:NOTDUMB, and this is not a copyright issue.Slatersteven (talk) 09:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

"If they mention the Caribbean", as you clearly have not even read the titles of some of them how do you know what they say?Slatersteven (talk) 09:10, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Atlantis: Atlantology: Basic Problems - Page 417 "Geophysical Investigations in the Eastern Caribbean : Venezuelan Basin , Antilles Island Arc and Puerto Rico Trench" Again you need a source saying this is your idea.Slatersteven (talk) 09:16, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I feel right now you may need to read wp:legal and wp:coi.Slatersteven (talk) 09:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't want to keep arguing with you about the originality of my work. If you can cite a source for the exact location and nature of the island like I have described, go ahead. If you can't, then there is a copyright problem. It appears that you cannot state who entered the location hypothesis exactly like mine on Wikipedia, nor do you cite a reference for it. The books you mention give a vague indication of the Caribbean region. They do not give a precise description of the components of the island, unlike my hypothesis. If you can cite any of them as the source, please include it in Wikipedia. I suggest that I send you extracts directly from my book. Otherwise you can find it as an ebook and read the relevant sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.196.169.17 (talk) 10:08, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

See WP:ONUS you are the one making a case, you are the one who need to provide evidence (as in RS supporting your claim) that you came up with this. But I am more than happy to remove the claim and shall do so, as you have claimed non of the sources supports it.Slatersteven (talk) 10:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Now we are not breaching your copyright, nor are we including uncited material.Slatersteven (talk) 10:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes, please remove it as you cannot cite the source of the entry or who entered it and when. Perhaps someone other than yourself (an RS, whatever that is) will read my book and cite it in future. I use Wikipedia very often and do prefer claims to be properly referenced rather than being randomly added. That's so much better for the credibility of the service Wikipedia provides. I'll check to see that the entry has been deleted in due course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.196.169.17 (talk) 12:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)