User talk:P-123/Archive 4

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Access to JSTOR and BNA

You might have missed some valuable chances. You might apply for 1-year unlimited access to JSTOR and BNA through the following links:

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I've applied and now am approved to have access to them. Mhhossein (talk) 17:38, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: Thanks for the tip! ~ P-123 (talk) 17:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Fourteen infallibles

Thanks for your cooperation in The Fourteen Infallibles. Are you finished with it? Mhhossein (talk) 14:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: Yes. I cannot see how to improve the article further, as my knowledge of the subject is practically non-existent. All I could really do was correct the grammar, syntax and formatting. I have edited the Family Tree, but it did not need much editing, and have tidied up some of the formatting in the notes and the rest. Good luck with promoting the article. ~ P-123 (talk) 15:18, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Well done. You did great. Btw, using "ping code" is a safer way to inform other editors. Some times I'm mentioned in the talk pages, but I'm not informed until I check the pages. Mhhossein (talk) 03:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Fall of Fallujah.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. If the fall of Fallujah is not in the article, it means that someone must have deleted it and the sources associated with it. It was probably one of those idiots who have been fighting over the status of ISIS. Someone needs to do something about those fools before they ruin the article. I'll try to rescue the orphaned references (Did I say that right? That is what this is called, isn't it?) and re-add the information, but it will take some time. I wish I could do something about the disruptive editors, but I'm new here, and I don't know what to do. Thanks again! Anasaitis (talk) 21:27, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Anasaitis: Yes, please add it if it is important information. I cannot remember it being there, but if you can find the orphaned references and restore the information, it will improve the article. It will need to go in the "As Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" part of the "History" section. Do you mean editors who are anti-ISIL are spoiling the article? In my opinion at the moment the article is not always spoken in a neutral voice, which is against one of Wikipedia's main policies in WP:FIVEPILLARS. Remember you can add your voice to the Talk page discussions on anything and if you do not agree with what is said there you must speak up. It doesn't matter if you have not followed all the discussion, your opinion will be as valuable as any other editor's. ~ P-123 (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors

Hey P-123! How are you? I think you would like to see this. An election is open now! Mhhossein (talk) 13:38, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: Thank you for your kind thought! I will look into it. ~ P-123 (talk) 14:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

India and ISIL

India got added incorrectly and they just copied over the UN refs, but in fact India banned ISIL today. I've found a very specific ref that ISIL has been added to the banned list and a link to the actual list which clearly says LIST OF BANNED TERRORIST ORGANISATIONS UNDER SECTION 35 OF UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES (PREVENTION) ACT. Note how they were added under the UN provisions and the UN provisions are on the gov list. Hope that meets your standard. Legacypac (talk) 18:20, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought it might be correct, and only reverted because the citations were not right. I don't know how to look up things like this, but thought someone would be able to. P-123 (talk) 18:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Another editor can not trust your archives to be a true and full reflection of your talk pages (i.e. when an editor deletes threads from their Talk page or alters anything in their archives.) [Note added by P123]

As far as I know, with certain restrictions to do with warnings and not changing other editor's contributions (WP:OWNTALK, WP:REMOVED, and WP:TALKO) among others) you are free to do partial archives and delete other sections as you wish.

Exchange on this

That was not the point I was making. If you look at my archives, with the exception of a couple of vandals or edits by banned users, my talk page archives are accurate representations of the content of my talk page (you can check that because I move the page with its history when I archive it). The edits you have been making to remove text from your page and the alterations to material as it is copied into the archive as well as deletion once archived, means that your archives are not an accurate reflection of the content of your talk page. There is nothing wrong with that, in the sense it is not against policy (although guidelines recommended that an editor archives her/his talk page rather than deleting content), but it does mean that another editor can not trust your archives to be a true and full reflection of your talk pages as as such are useless as an archive for anyone but yourself. -- PBS (talk) 16:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC) PBS: I understood your point the first time, I think. To be clear, I have not gone back and deleted anything from an archive before, and wasn't aware I had done it this time; before you pointed it out I had no idea whether I deleted before or after archiving. You say it is better to archive than delete. Because the archives say, "Do not edit the contents of this page", does an unwanted thread have to wait until the next archiving? How is partial archiving done? Also, all deletions can easily be read by looking at the "Revision history" pages - I am sure we all look up each other's deleted threads from time to time - so I cannot see how deletions end up with an archive that cannot be trusted. Or do deleted threads not show up in archives? I need to understand this as I am still unclear about a lot of the technical side of WP editing. P-123 (talk) 17:00, 18 December 2014 (UTC) Got answers from the Help Desk, thanks. P-123 (talk) 15:46, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Bot to archive

Edit the below to remove the hidden comment parts <!-- and --> and move the coding to the top of your page to have a bot archive your stuff. Change the YOURUSERNAMEHERE to you and fiddle with the other parameters to meet your level of discussion. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:27, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Deleted comments

The deleted comments can be found quite easily by looking through the history of the page and pulling up the diffs:

• Revision as of 08:38, 10 July 2014
• Revision as of 05:43, 29 August
• Revision as of 05:47, 29 August 2014
• Revision as of 22:06, 30 August 2014 undid
• Revision as of 11:20, 1 September 2014
• Revision as of 11:20, 25 September 2014
• Revision as of 06:51, 26 September 2014
• Revision as of 15:58, 30 September 2014
• Revision as of 22:56, 8 October 2014

Those are the deleted stuff up to the first archive. It would be relative easy to to cut and past the diffs back into the appropriate places in first or second archive if you so wished. -- PBS (talk) 17:11, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for going to that trouble PBS, much appreciated. I will get it archived. How did you find it? I thought archives didn't keep deleted comments. I have been asking at WP:HD how to deal with this, so I have a complete archive record, how to do automatic archiving with a bot and how to do partial archiving. I noticed you said you copied your edit history over when archiving. How do you do that? I was a bit shocked to learn that deleted sections don't get retrieved by the bot, so the records won't be complete. I am still vague about deleted comments and how they get archived, so would like to know how you retrieved all the above. Sorry, still floundering with the technical side of WP editing. P-123 (talk) 17:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

If you move a page the history moves with it, that is as true for a talk page as it is for an article. To find these diffs above I simply listed the history of your talk page and looked for any edit you made that had a large negative number in it. -- PBS (talk) 23:40, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Terrorism

see WP:TERRORIST, that has been simplified from earlier versions, this older version, but it is meant to convey the same message.

See also "let the facts speak for themselves" and "assert the facts".

For the underlying reason why terrorist is a pejorative word see the article section Terrorism § Pejorative use.

If you want to see an example in practice of how all this works, have a look at the lead in al-Qaeda. It took a long debate on the talk page to remove the passive narrative use of "terrorist" and to rely on inline attribution to the most authoritative sources (UN down to specific countries: "United Nations Security Council, the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO), the European Union, the United States, Russia, India and various other countries (see below)." but I think the al-Qaeda article is better for it.

-- PBS (talk) 00:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, PBS. Editors had come to the same conclusion some months ago, that the only way "terrorist" could be used in the article in WP's own voice was in the Lead sentence with the terrorist desginations. That also was a long debate. I will look at those links. P-123 (talk) 07:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Military Historian of the Year 2014

		The WikiProject Barnstar
		For your extensive contributions to the Military history WikiProject, as evidenced by your nomination in the 2014 "Military Historian of the Year" awards, I am delighted to present you with this WikiProject Barnstar! TomStar81 (Talk) 02:29, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Military History Newcomer of the Year 2014

		The WikiProject Barnstar
		For your extensive contributions to the Military history WikiProject, as evidenced by your nomination in the 2014 "Military History Newcomer of the Year" awards, I am delighted to present you with this WikiProject Barnstar! TomStar81 (Talk) 02:36, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

You needed just some more votes!

I checked the voting procedure and you'd cast two votes in one of the elections. However you got two valuable barnstars. Hope to see you in the first rank next year! Mhhossein (talk) 06:38, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: Yes, I had looked at those pages and saw the votes. Thank you very much for the nomination! It is nice to have not one but two very unexpected barnstars for editing in the ISIS article! P-123 (talk) 07:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC).

You're welcome. The barnsatrs are due to nomination and you deserved it. Mhhossein (talk) 07:18, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein: I saw that everyone who was nominated would receive barnstars. It was still nice to have them, and it was thanks to your recognition that I did.!  :) P-123 (talk) 07:27, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I just mentioned some facts about your editions. I believe that expressing the power points will lead to more developments. Keep on enhancing Wikipedia! Mhhossein (talk) 19:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations

	Merry Christmas
	Faith makes all things possible, Hope makes all things work, Love makes all things beautiful, May you have all the three for this Christmas. MERRY CHRISTMAS! Mhhossein (talk) 04:04, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Mhhossein Thank you for the good wishes and wonderful message! Do you have an equivalent day in the Muslim calendar? P-123 (talk) 07:22, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome P-123. We, Iranian, celebrate the beginning of the new year which is the first day of spring and we call this celebration "Nowruz, (English: new day)". This occasion is some how important from Islamic point of view and shia usually celebrates Nowrouz. Mhhossein (talk) 07:29, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Categories

This edit, would have been better as a request with an explanation (teach a person to fish), it was definitely something that needed doing as including such categories in user space includes the page in that category.

Take the first category listed that was deleted: Category:2006 establishments in Iraq (to display the category include an initial colon [[:Category:2006 establishments in Iraq]]) Clearly that category should not include User:P-123/My userpage 2 which it did before the questionable edit. Basically do not include links to article categories on user space or talk pages. If you want to reference them then use the start with a colon trick.

If you are developing a page in a sandbox then comment to categories out using <!--[[Category:2006 establishments in Iraq]]--> until the text the sandbox is copied into article space

-- PBS (talk) 20:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

PBS: Am sure it was the right thing for the editor to do, just would have appreciated a note beforehand. They said they left one afterwards, but I didn't get the ping or see any message about it. At the time I just wanted a copy of an earlier version (any) of the page on my userpage as a reference, to compare with later versions. I did not intend to do anything with it. So everything was moved over when I copied that version to the userpage (I think I did it manually!) Again, I had no idea it would cause complications. Forgot it was there until today. I am assuming the questionable edit doesn't refer to an edit I made, as I didn't alter the text. Thanks for the clarification otherwise. P-123 (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

barnstar

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		for thankless work copy-editing DOCUMENT★ERROR 10:45, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

ISIS copy-editing: announcement

I can no longer copy-edit this article as it has moved in a direction I disagree with too much. Grammatical and syntax errors will have to stay uncorrected. I have given the article my best shot. P-123 (talk)

December 2014

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Sock puppet?

Hello P-123, you left a comment on the ISIS board saying you are not a sock puppet? I was going to say the conversation is serious and you should not joke about puppets but maybe I am missing something. What do you mean, how is a sock puppet relavent to the discussion? Mbcap (talk) 19:17, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I left a message for you on the Talk page. As you say you are new, I am not sure if you know what a sock-puppet is. See WP:SOCKPUPPET. When someone wants to edit not under their own name, they take out another account under a fictitious name (the penalties for this are heavy). I agree with you that the article is heavily biased, for all the reasons you gave, and have been very outspoken about it, especially lately, and it has made me very unpopular with some of the editors you addressed. The conversation you started is indeed very serious. See WP:NPOV, which is one of the WP:FIVEPILLARS Wikipedia is founded on. P-123 (talk) 19:31, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh Ok, I came over to your talk page to apologise for thinking you were joking about the sock puppet thing. My apologies for jumping the gun. I hope no one has accused you because I would take great offence as it is by proxy an accusation against me. The page is very biased and even though I have been outspoken about it, I cannot apologise because the non NPOV nature of the page is shocking to me. I think I have raised some strong points so hopefully it will be changed. If I have any questions regarding unfamiliar or complicated wikipedia policy in the future, could I ask you? I promise I will not bug you with questions.Mbcap (talk) 19:50, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Mbcap: Yes, you can ask me. The bias in this article is shocking to me as well. There have been many fights over it in the past months, and those who insist it is unbiased have prevailed, mainly because many of the editors who thought like you and I have either left or do not seem to want to get involved in this debate again. To me the article reads more like anti-ISIL propaganda than an encyclopaedia. P-123 (talk) 20:09, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

See also WP:CONSENSUS on how editorial decisions are taken. P-123 (talk) 20:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks mate, I am grateful. I will stick at it till I can. Mbcap (talk) 20:28, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

You are now subject to community imposed sanctions

In accordance with the the consensus in this ANI discussion you are new subject to the following sanction:

• P-123 (talk · contribs) is topic banned for three months (expiry 23:00, 2 April 2015, Thursday (2 months, 30 days from now) (UTC+11)) from all pages broadly related to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, notwithstanding the usual exemptions.
• P-123 (talk · contribs) and GregKaye (talk · contribs) are prohibited from interacting with, or commenting on, each other anywhere on Wikipedia, for three months (expiry 23:00, 2 April 2015, Thursday (2 months, 30 days from now) (UTC+11)) notwithstanding the usual exemptions.

These sanctions will be enforced with escalating blocks. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:40, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Two unacceptable talk page edits

From my talk page:

It seems defending myself roundly at the AN/I has done me no favours. The universal dislike is palpable! I edited peaceably from February when I started in Wikipedia until the beginning of December when I became more outspoken on editing points, and now this! You said you were going to give me an opinion on one of the charges. The AN/I is being dragooned to a conclusion by Legacpac, so I wondered if I could have this before it ended.

You said this at the AN/I:

"Having spent time going through ... list of accusations, there is only one that I think is substantial enough on its own to warrant concern even when assuming good faith, and I will discuss that directly with user:P-123 on the talk page of P-123. -- PBS (talk) 16:27, 1 January 2015 (UTC)"

I would be grateful if you could let me know which one this was and why. P-123 (talk) 08:55, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

to enclose the quote I used this at the top:

<div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: lightyellow; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;">

And this at the bottom:

</div>

In a case like this I did not have to copy it I could just of easily have written:

With reference to your posting on my talk page here.

Both of these are way that you can include other editor's comments while making it clear that they are another editor's comment (and in the first case that your own comments is also copied). See also the template {{quotation}} which will do the same thing but does not handle URLs (html links) very well.

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I took the trouble to review the postings by user:GregKaye at the recent ANI and while most of them taken in isolation were not enough to warrant administrative action they did build up into problematic behaviour. One area in particular was a clear breach of WP:Talk page guidelines is your pertinacity to alter other editors comments. This you do in three ways.

1. Simply deleting others comments. That I will address in a a new section below.
2. Copying other editors text from one place to another and silently changing it.
3. appending your comments to comments written by others.

I think you have done this in the past because you have not stopped to consider that intense conversation you are having with another editor, is public property. So while the other editor (with whom you are in conflict) will immediately see and understand what you have done, you have not taken into account that others may well read the conversation (this is good because it helps build a consensus), and be completly mislead by your alterations. Likewise I had great difficulty reconstructing the edit history because your changes altered the what appeared in the archives in confusing ways. Here are the two examples to which I previously alluded:

1. With this edit you have copied a statement by GregKaye from one place to another without making it clear it was a copy and simultaneously amended it. This is totally out of order as you have given no indication that you have done so and that GregKaye is not the author of the edit.
2. With this edit you appended your comment and signature to another editor's comment. For any one reading the exchange they would assume that it is all your comment because you have signed it. If you had wanted to make the point you did then at the very minimum you should have placed the comment as an indentation on a new line, but given the lack of bad faith between GregKaye and yourself you should have followed his wishes and not inserted your comments interlaced into his.

Both of these edits given the lack of good faith between the two of you could have resulted in a block for your account to bring it home to you that such behaviour is unacceptable, because you simply did not seem to understand that GregKaye request for you to stop such behaviour was reasonable as they are breaches of the talk page guidlines. This is all I am going to say on points two and three. I will not enter into a conversation with you about these edits so do not reply to this message either to ask for clarification or to justify your edits. I will take any reply as a breach of your topic ban. -- PBS (talk) 10:35, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Blocked for 48 hours

You may not delete another editors comment on the talk page of another user as you did here -- doubly so when the talk page belongs to an admin! Given your recent case at ANI this behaviour shows that you have yet to understand that your behaviour on talk pages is not acceptable, so I have blocked your account for 48 hours. During your block reread WP:Talk page guidelines and make sure in future not to breach both the explicit and implicit guidance that it gives. -- PBS (talk) 10:54, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hous for deleting another editor's comment on an admin's talk page. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.  PBS (talk) 10:54, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

{{unblock}}

sorry

Sorry I didn't reply to your note on my Talk page until now. I commiserate with you completely. I used to be active in ISIS/ISIL related topics but quit months ago due to the unchecked poisonous atmosphere there originating in one or two 24/7 editors. DOCUMENT★ERROR 00:26, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

AN/I 2

Link to. ~ P-123 (talk) 17:16, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

IP on The Fourteen Infallibles

Links to problems arising. ~ P-123 (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

@Mhhossein: You can talk to me here! Do you have any other articles you would like me to look at? How is the Fourteen Infallibles article going? ~ P-123 (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Yeah there are some articles, but I thought you can't do them because of being busy with other stuff. I'd like you to edit Hadith of Golden Chain as it was once nominated for GA and the reviewer rejected it because the language was not suitable. I should tell you that The Fourteen Infallibles is improving very slowly because almost no one is editing it! You were finished with that article, right? Mhhossein (talk) 07:18, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: Yes, I had finished with the Fourteen Infallibles, although I do not agree with a couple of Bapehu's edits (the wording), which he had changed from mine. Should I change them again? I will look at the other article. ~ P-123 (talk) 09:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

14 Infallibles has recently changed per former talks. Besides copy edits, you might help to have suitable materials in such a list! The staying of some parts are disputed. Mhhossein (talk) 12:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Mhhossein: What do you mean by have suitable materials in such a list? There are sentences there now which do not make sense at all, which I will put on the Talk page, and part of the Lead is duplicated word for word in the first section! I will not be able to do anything with that, since as I say my knowledge of the subject is practically non-existent and I can only copy-edit what is there. ~ P-123 (talk) 13:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Suitable materials = every thing needed to make a list page! For example, when we are writing about the 14 infallibles, do we have to write about the status of infallibility? Mhhossein (talk) 08:06, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Mhhossein: I am not sure what a list page is, but there are some aspects I think need expanding on in the article, to make things clearer for the reader. For example, how infallibility relates to Ismah, who the imams are (not the Twelve Imams) that are mentioned, who the infallibles are (as opposed to the Fourteen Infallibles). Should I put this on the Talk page? There is no section for this, and I'm not sure what the heading for this should be. As you will see from my note with link on the Talk page, that IP has been blocked for disruptive editing! ~ P-123 (talk) 08:57, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I mean this by a list page. We should determine how much we should go through the details. Btw, I've pinged salman mahdi to answer the questions. Mhhossein (talk) 11:04, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in an interview in The Bugle

Hi, I'm one of the editors of the Military History Wikiproject's newsletter The Bugle, and I'd like to invite you to participate in a group interview with all the nominees for the 2014 Military History Newcomer Award which we're hoping to run in the January edition. If you're interested in participating, I'd appreciate it if you could post responses to some or all of the questions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/News/January 2015/Interview by 11 January. I'm sorry for missing you in the invitations I sent out to the other nominees concerning this a few days ago - it was a complete oversight. Thank you, Nick-D (talk) 09:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Request

Hi

@P-123: I nominated an article (Hassan Tehrani Moghaddam) to DYK. The reviewer (Mhhossein) said that The language should be enhanced so that it qualifies an encyclopedic article. Then said that may be you help me. Can you help me for qualifies and language edit?

Thanks

AliAkar (talk) 10:50, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

GOCE request articles

Thanks for partially copyediting two articles on the Guild of Copy Editors request page. However, I noticed that on both you copyedited "up to where List begins". Requested copyedits are expected to be completed, barring extenuating circumstances. If you're copyediting for the January drive, a word count for lists can be obtained by copy-pasting into any word processor with a word-count tool. All the best, Miniapolis 17:25, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Miniapolis: I have removed the "Partly done" template from both articles, as I do not know when or even if I can copy-edit the Lists, and there are some "citation needed" tags which I will not be able to deal with as I know nothing about the subject matter. All I can do is copy-edit what is there into better English. Please let me know how to record the work that I have done on these two articles. ~ P-123 (talk) 10:37, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Just get a word count for what you've done, and I'll put a note with each article. In future, please don't take on a request article if you don't reasonably expect to finish it. Fixing {{Citation needed}} tags is above our pay grade; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/How to for what is (and isn't) necessary :-). Thanks and all the best, Miniapolis 15:35, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Miniapolis: Thanks for this. Unfortunately, I copy-edited those articles on my back-up laptop while the other is being repaired, and I have no word processing software on it! I can only go on the internet and email on this one. When I get the repaired one back I can do a word count, but not before then! Both those articles were on the December request list, not the January one. I don't know if that makes a difference (probably not). I obviously didn't read the instructions carefully enough! ~ P-123 (talk) 16:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

PS I can't see anything on registering word counts in WP:COPYEDITORS. Have I missed it? ~ P-123 (talk) 16:12, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

(←) There's a script here which you can install on your javascript page, giving you a "Page size" tool on the left side of the page. It's got a couple of glitches: to get a word count on an article section you have to hit "Preview" first, and as I mentioned it ignores bullet lists. Although you'd ordinarily get the word count before starting a copyedit, List of Iranian commanders in the Iran–Iraq War has a count of 549 (although you should stick a lead sentence in there; even list articles have at least a one-sentence lead) and National Film Award for Best Supporting Actor has a count of 470. List articles, of course, are primarily ... um, lists, so you may want to avoid them until you're more comfortable with lists. Hope your main computer is fixed soon. All the best, Miniapolis 23:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Miniapolis: The "Page size" tool is very useful, thanks. I have done a before and after word count for each article and added the counts to the "Requests" list. I am not familiar with "list" articles, so will avoid them until I understand how they work. Thank you for all your help. ~ P-123 (talk) 12:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I have also added a Lead section to both articles. ~ P-123 (talk) 23:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Requests page word counts

No need to list the word counts on the requests page; I assumed you had signed up for the January drive, but don't see your name on the list. See the drive page for instructions on how to sign up (it ends Saturday at midnight UTC); that's where the numbers go. Miniapolis 14:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Miniapolis: I did wonder! I have removed the counts from those articles. ~ P-123 (talk) 16:16, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Miniapolis: Should I have signed up? Should I now, even though I have finished copy-editing the articles as far as I can? ~ P-123 (talk) 22:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

It's up to you but if you want credit for those articles in the January drive (which is the only reason you'd need the word count), yes. Miniapolis 23:08, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

No thanks. I am suffering badly from WP instruction-fatigue at the moment. ~ P-123 (talk) 23:32, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Undoing my copy-edit

Dear P-123. Do not undo my copy-edit again like you did here [1] without giving me the courtesy of an explanation of your real motives. That sucks.122.152.167.34 (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

122.152.167.34: Sorry, mistook you for another editor. ~ P-123 (talk) 12:11, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Words are often inadequate to express my joy for your help. for your invaluable help, support and patience, I say thank you. M.Sakhaie (talk) 06:04, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

M.Sakhaie: Thank you! I am glad that between us we managed to get the article into good shape, even though some of it has been removed until some more sources can be found! ~ P-123 (talk) 09:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Imamate (Twelver doctrine)

@P-123: May I ask u to copy-edit this article, we want to make it ready for a featured article.Salman mahdi (talk) 12:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Salman mahdi: I will do my best, but there will be quite a lot of questions first, as there were with the Fourteen Infallibles article as my knowledge of these subjects is so limited, though perhaps not quite so limited as before! I can only copy-edit what I see, and if I do not understand what I read I will have to ask questions. The question and answer method we used with the Infallibles article worked well, didn't it, so I expect we can make it work again! ~ P-123 (talk) 16:12, 21 February 2015 (UTC)ِ

Dear @P-123:, With thanks for ur great helps, U are free to ask ur quetions and I would do my best.--Salman mahdi (talk) 19:02, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Recent posts about reliability of source

Hello P-123, I understand that you were referring to another article in your recent post on Al-Sahifa and the use of a source. I thought it would be better to discuss it here as this is not related to the Al-Sahifa article. Pardon my response by the way because I was not suggesting the issue is not serious. What are your concerns and what is hampering you? Mbcap (talk) 21:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Answered elsewhere. ~ P-123 (talk) 16:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Can you lend a hand?

Hello P-123, I understand you are involved with copy editing on Wikipedia. It is for this reason that I wanted to ask for your help. That is, if the subject takes your interest and you can spare the time. I have been working to get the Ibn Taymiyyah to featured status having added a lot of content for the past few months but the the English and the grammar on the article are not quite there yet. I would be grateful if you could maybe lend a hand or point me towards someone who would be able to help. Regards Mbcap (talk) 14:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Responded via email. ~ P-123 (talk) 20:01, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi! I saw your chat with Sayyed on this issue. I think this is an important distinction to make, as it can mean two different things. ISIS is claiming to be THE Islamic State, not just AN Islamic State. For example, Iran claims to be AN islamic state (more specifically, an islamic republic), but ISIS is claiming to be THE only true, legitimate, etc., islamic state. Hence the "The" part plays a definitive role in its self-styled name. My two cents. --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 05:57, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

:)

Whatever our differences may be I always hope to see more of ^this^. I am surprised no one has proposed Islamic State group which I think is representative of the many qualified "so called ..." type references and the approach of agencies like Associated Press.

For my part I appreciate our interactions, even with differences. Believe it or not I never meant to cause offence and, apparently, had badly misunderstood boundaries. For my part it has a good lesson which I hope will keep me on the straight and narrow. GregKaye 13:08, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

You could be right about Islamic State group rather than "so-called", which has always grated somewhat!

Always did realise you never meant to cause offence, Greg, and badly regret our (rather public) dispute. For my part, I should not have been so touchy or lost my manners. I have long discounted that time and prefer to remember only our previous collaboration and conversations; it was fun. ~ P-123 (talk) 14:14, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

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Andy Mabbett: No, I didn't, and that's fine. Thanks for spotting it. I sometimes get tangled up with these things! Please have it deleted. ~ P-123 (talk) 16:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

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Rich Yes, I know. I self-reverted to avoid breaking the rule, but may have done it again. I used to edit prolifically in ISIS, but not so much now. Thanks for the reminder. ~ P-123 (talk) 08:47, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hello, you don't edit like before these days. ISIL history page used to be full of your username, but now you edit every some days. However, I meant to ask you if you can help me handling with portal:Shia Islam? Mhhossein (talk) 04:05, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Mhhossein I am now virtually retired from editing in Wikipedia. This and last year's experience has put me off it for good. Sorry! ~ P-123 (talk) 11:35, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

What a bad news! Wikipedia really, really, really needs you. I can understand your situation, no problem. You were an excellent colleague here. Mhhossein (talk) 12:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

TY. Too busy working on my jukebox these days. :( ~ P-123 (talk) 20:37, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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(BTW I moved our conversation on my talk page a little up to the section that says dyslexia( from the original nomination))thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:21, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Ozzie10aaaa: That was totally unexpected – thank you very much! Glad to have been of help. ~ P-123 (talk) 19:35, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

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ProcseeBot: Please ignore the above. I think it was an internet server problem. When I used a different server just now, the problem disappeared - or the bot rectified the problem automatically after my message. ~ P-123 (talk) 19:51, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I've deactivated your live requests above; you seem to be editing normally now. Kuru (talk) 21:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Kuru. ~ P-123 (talk) 22:18, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Would it help if I were to block you now? Bishonen | talk 22:59, 9 October 2015 (UTC).

Bishonen: I thought Kuru meant the problem was now over. Do I need to be blocked? I think it was just a server glitch that caused the problem, as I said. Or do you mean block the IP? If you think the IP does need blocking, please could you do it, although I don't think there is any funny business afoot; I have not had any trouble since the last spate! ~ P-123 (talk) 00:18, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just trying to be funny. Bishonen | talk 02:08, 10 October 2015 (UTC).

Bishonen: That's a relief! ~ P-123 (talk) 08:34, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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Blaze The Movie Fan Thank you very much! I went to the article basically to educate myself (filling in knowledge gaps), and then started to edit it. Am a little ashamed of doing it so haphazardly, rather than systematically as I usually do - my mind was still half with the Arthur C Clarke page I was in the middle of editing! ~ P-123 (talk) 00:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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