OrlandoCityFan

January 2018

Hello, I'm Walter Görlitz. I noticed that you made a change to an article, North American Soccer League, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:48, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Please only add confirmed moves not rumours. Press releases from either league or the team are acceptable. Confirmed reports from papers or magazines as well. Anything with "reportedly" or similar wording do not support anything. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

that's the opposite of what the reliable source stuff I read here - they say that secondary sources like a newspaper are preferred to primary sources like a team press release.

I agree with Walter Görlitz, until confirmed, lets not speculate. The article is reliable only as far as their own sources are considered reliable. Per the article: "According to soccer website SocTakes", "SocTakes reports an announcement could come late next week. A spokesman for the Eleven said no decision on a move to the USL has been finalized and the team is still awaiting the U.S. Court of Appeals' decision regarding the NASL's case. A decision was expected by Christmas, but has yet to materialize.", etc. makes it pretty clear that the Indy Star is only repeating what a soccer blog said was from their "sources" (per the first line in the blog: "Multiple sources inform Soc Takes that Indy Eleven will play in the United Soccer League (USL) during the 2018 season"). There is no pressing need for up-to-minute changes on speculative league changes. Yosemiter (talk) 16:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok I guess...

If you are questioning why we were saying it was repeating unreliable info, that same report said the team would also be moving its home games to Lucas Oil Stadium, something they have since confirmed is wrong. That is why we wait for official statements instead of speculative reports/blogs; 50/50 accuracy is not reliable. Yosemiter (talk) 02:58, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

It still seems weird to say we want a press release - it seems that independent verification is the thing we are after. Which I think the reference the article now has does. I can see the no speculation rule - that makes sense or there'd be too much crap added to too many articles

You are correct, independent is better. The key there though is verification. Even reliable independent sources can repeat unverified rumors, hence their use of the words of "reportedly...", "according to sources...", "allegedly...", etc. which they use to clarify that it has not been verified. I was just a little too straight forward in my phrasing, but usually these kind of things are only verifiable independently when there has already been a primary source or statement as well. (There are some exceptions in really low level leagues where there is no primary statement, and those usually just have teams "disappear" from membership when they fold with the league never addressing the occurrence.) Yosemiter (talk) 21:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Thx for the comments

"girls of Pakistani-heritage" or "girls of many nationalities"?

Hi OrlandoCityFan. The insertion you made to Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - "the problem was more widespread with exploited girls of many nationalities including British Asian - is contradicted in the sentence that immediately follows: "The . . . report found 35 cases of young Muslim girls of Pakistani-heritage being raped". I believe the latter is the correct statement. If you have found contrary evidence in the report, please share it on the article's Talk page. Dayirmiter (talk) 06:03, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion for redirects

Hello. I noticed that you've added Proposed Deletion tags to many redirects. The problem is that redirect pages are not eligible for the PROD process, as you can see for yourself at WP:PRODNOM. So, please stop. If you think the redirects should be deleted, you can nominate them for speedy deletion if they are eligible, or you can nominate them at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. In the meantime, please consider removing the many PROD tags you've already added, in order to lessen the cleanup burden on other editors. Thanks. Bakazaka (talk) 04:11, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

I'll do a redirect for discussion! OrlandoCityFan (talk) 21:48, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

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