Norcobash

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AfD nomination of The Norconian Resort Supreme

I have nominated The Norconian Resort Supreme, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Norconian Resort Supreme. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Niaz^{(Talk • Contribs)} 14:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot (talk) 00:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello, New kid on the block and have had a particularly distasteful experience thus far, although a lot of helpful comments that I will follow. What does someone do when an individual is just nasty and actually has a history of being nasty? Is there a board of review? Some way to sanction this individual? --Norcobash (talk) 13:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Best answer is to try to forget about and move ahead. One of our guidelines is Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers but not all of us always remember it. We spend most of our time working with other people who have been around a while and know (some of) the procedures. We develop a shorthand (e.g. WP:N for Wikipedia:Notability or AGF for Wikipedia:Assume good faith). We forget that newcomers don't know our jargon and so sometimes we don't communciate as well as we should. We end up "biting" newcomers. Most of us will help others as best we can. So don't let an initial bad experience turn you off. Take your time; learn as much as you can by reading; and ask for help at places like WP:Help desk or by leaving a note on my (or any other user's) talk page.

Oh, and by the way, I noticed you had some difficulty leaving a note on another's page. The easiest way is to click the "+" up top, then fill in a heading for your comment, then the text of the comment, and remember to add the four tildes. Sbowers3 (talk) 14:48, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

--Thank you, --Norcobash (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

re: Thanks

Thanks for the thanks. Just to be clear - I moved the comments not because they were inappropriate but because they were in an inappropriate place. The Talk page is the right place for lengthy discussions, and discussions about the facts. The AFD page is for short remarks about whether the article satisfies WP policy.

For future reference, questions about Notability are resolved not by arguing about the facts, but (mostly) by the presence of references. I am oversimplifying but Notability is determined largely by how many references it has.

I added some wikilinks to the article. Dozens more could be added but I didn't have the energy. What you could do is edit the page, and every name that seems famous, add double square brackets ([[]]) around it. You don't have to look up the name to find out if there is an article, just go ahead and add the brackets. In most cases, you'll be right.

P.S. Are any of your newspaper sources available online? Does the book have an ISBN number? If so, let me know and I'll show you how to format them. Sbowers3 (talk) 18:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Wondering

Is there a board or such that one can file a greviance to have a member removed for a time? And, what would the criteria be? The exchanges with the person who filed for deletion became very bizarre with some pretty serious (but truly groundless allegations and maybe/maybe not so serious threats. What happens when a person has a history of rudeness and lack of due diligence? Can anyone at any time get someone "dis-instated". I now understand, once deleted, there are avenues for return, are the odds good? Anyway, thanks to all who assisted in cleaing up my entry. We are trying to get the word out about one of the great landmarks that is sadly close to dying. --Norcobash (talk) 04:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

In no particular order:

• The purpose for AFD is to discuss a possible deletion. Just because an article is nominated doesn't at all mean that it will be deleted. Please realize that there are some 1500 articles created each and every day. Hundreds of them should be deleted as not appropriate for an encyclopedic. There are many editors who patrol articles looking for ones that should be deleted. Sometimes perfectly good articles get caught up in the nets. One set of eyes trying to do too much too quickly - there are too many articles and too few editors patrolling them - can misjudge an article. That's why we have a discussion at AFD - so several eyes can evaluate the article. I've made mistakes in this area and I'm sure every editor has occasionally been mistaken.
• When the consensus of several editors citing policy, not just personal opinion, is to delete an article, it is rare that the deletion review will overrule that informed opinion. In the case of The Norconian Resort it's clear that it won't get to that point; so far the opinion is unanimous that it should be kept. And because that opinion is based on adherence to policy, it is very unlikely that other editors will reach a different conclusion.
• These discussions, not surprisingly, can be somewhat contentious. This discussion was not especially different from others. I did not see any behavior that warrants a complaint. Yes, there are procedures to follow when there is bad behavior, but in this case I recommend that you just leave the past in the past and go on about making useful contributions. You've added an interesting article to the encyclopedia and I hope you will continue to contribute.

Feel free to contact me on my talk page if you have any questions or problems. Sbowers3 (talk) 23:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Inline references

I finally added the ISBN number to The Norconian Resort Supreme. I also added a tag saying that it would be better if the article had inline references. The article has great references (and the AFD will certainly be closed as Keep in the next day or two) but it would be even better if there were inline references to specific newspaper articles or to specific pages of the book after some statements or paragraphs of the article. Don't feel pressured to add them, but if you have the time and energy it would be a good way to improve the article. Sbowers3 (talk) 00:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

re: Thanks

Thanks are not necessary but are appreciated. Just FYI, you left it on my user page instead of my user talk page. You probably know that's where comments go and it was just a little mistake. Also most headings will have two equal signs, not three. If you add a comment by clicking the plus sign (+) at the top of the page, it will automatically add the two equal signs for you. Cheers. Sbowers3 (talk) 18:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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