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Non-Prophets Radio

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Dhikr

While normally the honorifics are removed they should remain here. Most of those were direct quotes and sourced. The others were not sourced but looked to me like direct quotes as well. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 13:27, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Quotation marks in Hadith quotations

Hi the quote marks do properly surround both the outer and inner quotations on Hadith. The quotation is from a book of Hadith compiled by a scholar, which begins by stating the isnad, or lineage of transmission of the saying. This is followed by the "inner" quotation", which is the actual saying being related by the chain of transmission. This is also a quotation. So we have a quotation within a quotation. This means the honorifics and dhikr remain within both the inner and outer quotations, along with their respective quotation marks.

I'm going to undo your changes on those however many articles you did this to, and assume you were acting in good faith. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks Aquib (talk) 01:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Having reviewed and corrected many of the other edits you made in a similar vein today, I would suggest you keep in mind that complex quotations can be represented in more than one way. When presented in blocks, as many of the ones were which you altered, they are actually more readable than they would be if the quotation marks were nested. Nesting, by the way, was what threw you off on at least one of the articles you changed.

Also, changing a quotation is not constructive editing. Since these appear to have been direct quotations, it caused potential misrepresentations of the sources. It would be far more helpful if you improved on the manner of quotation next time, if you know a better way.

In addition, please try not break links in articles in order to remove honorifics. Please take a moment to repair the link if you really need to remove the honorific.

Thanks Aquib (talk) 03:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Sani0346

Hey dude , tell me one thing ! Have not you any other work than editing the articles of Islam and molding them to your own wish . Removing PBUH all the day & giving reason of neutrality . So editing the the article of Riba as well . If someone has included the verses of Quran forbidding the Riba or writing the authentic concept of Islam about Riba as this is very high rank sin then why are you removing those materials all the day . Are you a Muslim ? If not then how can you edit the concepts of Muslims according to your brain . You are making articles Devil friendly communities like Zionists . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sani0346 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

"Devil friendly"--that's adorable. Neutron Jack (talk) 00:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Sum.H.2013

I think that there is a lack of understanding in this situation, which I would like to clear. The meaning of PBUH is 'Peace and Blessing of Allah be Upon Him'. Muslims say this whenever mentioning the name of the Holy Prophet of Islam. But we also say similar phrases for all Prophets of all other religions, such as Prophet Jesus (Peace be on Him), Prophet Moses (Peace be on Him), or even companions of the Prophets (May Allah be pleased with them), etc. We say these phrases as a sign of respect and to remove any space for arrogance in our hearts.

Similar words are used for any person in everyday life who is spoken about after they have passed away, so in their case you might say: Jane - may God rest her soul, or Jane - May God have mercy of her soul, or Jane - May she rest in peace. It is said with the same intention and so I request that you understand this sign of respect and not remove the PBUH. But if you prefer, you could write out the full meaning, so that it's meaning seems less ambiguous to the general public.

Thank you.

Sum.H.2013 (talk) 10:49, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Sum.H.2013, I indeed understand what PBUH means. I understand that this is a thing that Muslims traditionally say and write. However, using PBUH (except for quotations) is against Wikipedia's rules. I recommend that you follow this link: MOS:ISLAM, which is part of the Wikipedia Manual of Style (MOS). Particularly, read this link: WP:PBUH, which is the section about PBUH.

I follow the rules of Wikipedia, and therefore I remove PBUH when it occurs outside of quotations. I am sure that you will understand this once you read the links provided above. If not, and if you keep undoing my changes, then I will summon aid from Wikipedia authorities.

If your religion doesn't permit you to follow Wikipedia's rules, then you should refrain from editing Wikipedia.

Neutron Jack (talk) 05:09, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing that link to my attention. You would've seen that I am a new user so was highly unlikely to have known about those specific rules yet, but I have read them all now. I believe Wikipedia also says that if you correct someone's work then you should tell them why, so that there is not this repetition of edit-undo edit-edit-etc, but never mind. My religion does not in any way stop me from following rules, on the contrary it strongly encourages it, and I personally have nothing against following rules either. I would just kindly request that you provide explanations on user's talk pages for your edits so that we can all help each other to learn and co-operate more as a community of learners and educators. I would like to refer you to this link, which is what I kept in mind during my edits: Help:Introduction to policies and guidelines/Conduct. I hope that you will understand my good faith. Thank you. Sum.H.2013 (talk) 10:45, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

Please give thoughts here.--Peaceworld 20:46, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for Edits

Dear friend, I am so thankful for your kind edits in the article Molvi Muhammad Hussain Batalvi. Regards --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 04:11, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Dear Jack, thanks for the edit to Al-Fatiha as well. I'm working on improving the article gradually. From your talk page I understand you're part of the NPOV patrol, and from your contributions, I note your specific interest is to patrol Islamic topics :). That's some thing nice! But I also noted from this talk page that u like getting the articles "Devil friendly" and that's not nice! :)

BTW, u'll have to spend a lot of effort in removing PBUH, AS, SAW, Holy etc. cuz Muslims / other religious ppl usually would not type Prophet Muhammad PBUH's name / their Prophet's name without SAW / PBUH or the like (just like I did right now :)). But you shouldn't remove this one since it's not a WP article, so the MOS:Islam doesn't apply :). But of course, you would :). After all, its YOUR talk page :). Happy patrolling! :)

I suggest you make your user page as well, and tell a little about how your neutrons revolve around the Jack in you, so the WPean community would know a bit who they're talking to :)

By now, your friend might have forced you to think of a nasty reply to me, but seriously, I was just kidding above... No offense meant!

On a serious note, now that u've been to Al-Fatiha, do you think it'd be better to remove at least the POV issue from it? If not, can you pls identify specifically what in the article is not following NPOV, so it can be improved further. Of course I won't be able to critically assess the NPOVness of the article, since I'm one of the contributors...

HQEditor (talk) 11:04, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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Warning!: I wanted to let you about the edit you performed on this Wikipedia article Syed Noor Zaman Naqshbandi Shazli. As a description you wrote (It is not the encyclopedia's place to state the such things as demons actually exist, or that he can heal them.) I just wanted to remind you that Wikipedia is a collaboratively edited, multilingual, FREE Internet encyclopedia. Anyone and especially notable personalities have a right to state their expertise on their Wikipedia article with references. Your statement that It is not the encyclopedia's place to state the such things as demons actually exist is your own personal opinion. And you can NOT force your own opinions and beliefs on others. Wikipedia is FREE OPEN public encyclopedia. If you want to state your opinions and belief to the public please create a NEW article for it with references. Any other opinion driven nonsensical edits will be undone. Thank you.

I LOVE THIS N POV

I very much appreciate your edits on my article , saying: Referring to the Quran as "holy" is not a neutral point of view. What I love most about Wikipedia is this great achievement, i.e the Neutral Point of View. This , is ONE thing which has stopped ALL from hurling slanders (even if they very much like to do so) at others. Be well and blessed Jack. Cheers !--Drali1954 (talk) 20:33, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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Harry the cat at CCLR

Hi Neutron Jack, I noticed your continued meddling with my contribution to Wikipedia. I am still trying to track down the publication that the cat is in and will pursue his inclusion to the entry. He is worthy of the five words and photo I contributed and you deleted, and may be the only station cat in the UK in a 15" railway station and that makes him notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpacarter (talk • contribs) 19:56, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

"meddling"? Nice attitude. Here's how this works: if it's in Wikipedia, it must be documented as notable. Note the use of the present tense. It's not good enough to say that you're trying to "track down" the publication. A promise of documentation is not good enough. When you have adequate documentation, then add the entry. If you don't have adequate documentation, then the entry will be removed. Neutron Jack (talk) 03:45, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Akram ut tarajim

You removed Versatility section of the book. Why?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rsami (talk • contribs) 11:21, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

It was what we call "Original Research". This means that it contained YOUR ideas. That's not how Wikipedia works. It should contain the ideas of recognized experts, backed up by citations. Read this: WP:OR. Neutron Jack (talk) 11:28, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I think its fairly easy to verify this. Just take a couple of random Urdu translations of Quran, and see what they have translated the word 'taht e hal anhar'. It will be easy for you to find that its different in Akram ut Tarajim. Rsami (talk) 00:34, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

BTW are you native Urdu speaker? Rsami (talk) 06:10, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't matter that your original research is easy to verify. The point is, it's your research, not that of a recognized expert in the field. This encyclopedia refers to experts, not the conclusions of amateurs like you and me. No, I'm not an Urdu speaker. Neutron Jack (talk) 13:41, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

If you are not Urdu speaker, its better to ask an Urdu expert to check this. Can you undo the change and ask an Urdu expert to verify? Rsami (talk) 17:20, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Whether I am an expert is not the point. Whether you are right or not is not the point. You are not a recognized, published, expert. Therefore, your original research does not belong there. This encyclopedia uses the work of experts, not amateurs. Neutron Jack (talk) 00:19, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

In this case not a doctorate level expertise is required to judge this. Its very simple language translation of a book which is very easy for a language speaker to check the difference in meaning to a contemporary translation. If you are asking for an expertise, yes I am Urdu speaker and also checked other Urdu translations of Quran. Here is the national TV coverage of the event, (it had experts of the field) http://www.frequency.com/video/ptv-report-on-akram-ut-tarajim-ceremony/171375982 Rsami (talk) 10:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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