Mosaic2007

Steamshovel Press

Can you provide evidence for this edit? It's been reverted and the page is semi-protected. Please contribute to the discussion on its talk page. ∞Σɛ_Þ² ^(τ|c) 20:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Wish I could provide evidence - but they've blocked me until June 13. I have appealed this to David but have not received a reply. I know both Phil and Kenn personally, and I know the story. The bigger point is I don't think Kenn should be editing information about himself. That's against Wikipedia policy ("If you write in Wikipedia about yourself, your group, or your company, once the article is created, you have no right to control its content, and no right to delete it outside our normal channels; we will not delete it simply because you don't like it. Any editor may add material to it within the terms of our content policies. If there is anything publicly available on a topic that you would not want included in an article, it will probably find its way there eventually; more than one user has created an article only to find himself presented in a poor light long-term by other editors. Therefore, don't create promotional or other articles lightly, especially on subjects you care about. Either edit neutrally or don't edit at all. NPOV is absolute and non-negotiable.") Mosaic2007 19:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, actually, I contacted Phil by email and he provided proof that he co-founded the newsletter, with a scan of the very first issue's cover! I have added this info (and a link to the pic on my blog) on Talk:Steamshovel Press. David has yet to reply, interestingly (and I even requested a reply, specifically, on his talk page) so the issue may be coming to conclusion soon. I will be readding Phil's co-foundership (whatever) to the article if David does not reply soon (it's been 4 days now). Anyway, if you have more info, feel free to post it here and I will add it to the talk/article page accordingly, provided it's referenced, of course. ;) ∞Σɛ_Þ² ^(τ|c) 05:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

He finally replied--get this--what a hypocrite! ∞Σɛ_Þ² ^(τ|c) 00:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

June 2007

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Steamshovel Press, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. :) Chetblong 22:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

New advice from an admin

One of the admins left this advice at Eep2's talk page, but you need to see it:

You don't need to scan the issues or create a blog or e-mail anyone. Just edit the article to say something like "the early issues were edited by Thomas and Gounis" and then cite those issues as your reference. You could also say "the first issue consisted of an interview by Thomas and Gounis" and cite it. A secondary source would be preferable, but I don't think anyone would challenge you citing the primary source. I certainly won't. But you can't say that Gounis published or founded the magazine unless you can find a reliable source (such as the magazine itself) which states that he did.--[removed sig to avoid making it look like I'm signing an admin's name] 68.89.149.2 23:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)