User talk:Mo-Al/Archive 1

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I see you've been putting a lot of work into the Wald (onomastics) article.

It seems you've been working on it quite a bit, translating some of the German (is that what language that is?) into English, and generally cleaning it up and making it a little less confusing.

Perhaps you would like to take a look at Roth (onomastics), a very similar article with a lot of the same translation problems. It is currently up for deletion, mostly because no one really seems sure what it is about. If you could improve it, maybe it wouldn't be in danger of deletion.

I don't know German, and I'm not even sure that language is German, so obviously I'm next to useless where that is concerned. But since you've done so much with the Wald article, maybe you can help with the Roth one as well. ONUnicorn 15:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I must admit I don't really know German (although Altavista Babelfish is helpful), but it's not too hard to translate. Now if there was an article which was not fully translated from Hebrew it would be easier.--Mo-Al 18:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Wahl clean up

Thank you for doing this. Hopefully your efforts won't be reverted back. —WAvegetarian•(talk) 18:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I hope that the case gets dealt with before 3RR comes into play. Mo-Al 21:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

AMC strategy and the history of the fastback Marlin

Hi Mo-Al!

I am not sure about the instructions you gave me about resurrecting the text. I am also not clear about the templates you suggest. The ones I found in the sandbox area are all blank. Because you are the computer expert and know your way around Wikipedia, I will copy the references for the Marlin article below and then perhaps you will have time to properly "Wikify" this entry. That will be a better solution and have less frustration for all. I also have photographs that would help illustrate this article, but handling them, and doing the proper uploads and placement is beyond my experience. I can e-mail them, but there is no way I can do it since you have not given permission on your user page. Please let me know how this can be best accomplished.

I wish to thank you in advance for helping out and appreciate your willingness to contribute to this subject.

CZmarlin --CZmarlin 02:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

References:

This material is based upon the paper by:

Christopher Ziemnowicz (Concord University), John E. Spillan (Penn State University - DuBois), and William “Rick” Crandall (North Carolina University - Pembroke) "Going Further With Less - a Historic Overview Of American Motors Corporation (AMC)" Presented at the 2002 Southern Management Association (SMA) annual conference that was held in Atlanta GA (6-9 Nov) http://www.southernmanagement.org/meetings/2002/SMA2002Program.pdf

The full article was published in the Southern Management Association Annual Meeting Conference Proceedings, November 2002.

The primary source of information were the company's yearly financial summary and report to stockholders:

American Motors Corporation Annual Reports, Published by AMC. The ones used for the Marlin section were the years 1960 through 1968.

Other sources:

Foster, P. (1993). American Motors, the last independent. (Krouse: Iola, Wisconsin).

Georgano, N. (1992). The American automobile, a centenary. (Smithmark: NY).

Livingston, J.A. (1967) Chapin, Romney AMC paths same - but different. Detroit News. 7/7/1967.

Mahoney, T. (1960). The story of George Romney builder, salesman, crusader, (New York: Harper & Brothers).

Meyers, G.C. (1986) When it hits the fan: Managing the nine crises of business. (Boston: Houghton Mifflin).

Moving Forward: a transportation legacy, Kenosha County Historical Society, Kenosha, Wisconsin, 1998.

Spina, T. (1965) Today it’s management men. Ward’s Quarterly, Vol. 1, Nr. 2, 64+

Okay, I can revert my deletion in the article, and add sections. It's ust that, from a glance, it looked like someone had just dumped a bunch of text from a website onto the page, while removing the info that used to be there. Mo-Al 02:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:PNT

You listed a page to be translated into English, the Kreuzberg (disambiguation) page. I have tranlsted it into English now, and I hope you find it satisfactory. I also wish you the dearestr of luck as you clean up the onomastics category. I've seen it, and I know the task you have ahead of you. Happy to be of service, RyanGerbil10 (Drop on in!) 04:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Cook Islands Maori

I'm afraid this article need to be cleaned up only when you try to modify it. If you want to correct orthographic faults, you are welcome, but please if you don't know aznything about this language stop thinking that you contibutions are a necessity.

It's not orthographic faults, it's stylistic faults. The page is pretty messy, you have to admit. It's not even presented in the same format as the other language pages. I'll admit I don't know much about Polynesian languages, but I do know about IPA, and much of the work I have been doing is stylistic. Mo-Al 17:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's messy. Language pages do not need to be presented in the same format anyway. If there are stylistic or orthographic faults, as i said you are welcome.

I recommend you take a look at WP:OWN. Also, there are some standards which Wikipedia uses, such as the infoboxes which appear on all other language pages. By the way, please sign your comments with ~~~~ Mo-Al 17:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the recommendation. As far as i know this article is not concerned. As i said you are welcome to help as you can, but do not delete or change things if you are not sure of it even about IPA Nevers

But I was saying I do know IPA. Besides, just because you don't think the page is messy, doesn't mean it's not messy. Mo-Al 17:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Agree to say that it needs an infobox. So if you want to do it...Nevers

I'm willing to later, but it still needs a cleanup tag. A lot of the article is phrased strangely too. Honestly, I'll often run into an article that needs cleanup, and think to myself "I don't really feel like cleaning this up, but if I don't add a cleanup tag, no one else will do it". That's why cleanup tags exist. I will do some cleanup work, but I'm not magical, and I can't perfect an article by myself. That's why we use the tags to notify others. Mo-Al 17:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, i don't want an edit war too for a silly tag. But next time you add one, justify it in the talk page Nevers

Orthodox Judaism and Abortion

Abortion is a very controversial issue even within Orthodox Judaism. It's not so black-and-white. See [1] for example. Basically, it's prohibited (although according to some not to the same degree as murder, because its a different prohibition), but if the child endangers the mother's life it is in most cases permitted. --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 04:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm aware of that. That's why you can't say that "Orthodox Rabbis refer to abortion as the "Silent Holocaust"; that's like saying that "Americans are Democrats". Mo-Al 05:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Carrot peelings

Wandering thru my watchlist, I noticed someone had found an old bit of 'stuff' hidden away in the Carrot article. Since I am interested in patterns of bad edits I went looking for when that edit got made. Now I'm totally confused, as it was you? Do you have any idea how that happened? Shenme 21:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not sure how that happened, but I know that I am NOT the carrot vandal. What I suspect is that I had performed a revert on an edit which later got removed from the history (since the vandal was posting extremely obscene remarks in the edit summary), and the version I reverted to still had some "bagage". I'm honestly not sure, though. Mo-Al 21:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

New Pages

When are we going to see wikipages for Mircha Kefula and Shalsheles, and the other notes in the trop? --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 19:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

That would be nice, actually, but Gershayim is also a punctuation mark in modern Hebrew. Mo-Al 19:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Americanist Phonetic Notation

Regarding a recent edit you made to the Hawaii article, please acknowledge Americanist phonetic notation. I contributed pronunciation transcriptions to the Hawaii article. At first, I used "j" for a "high front glide" (or whatever else you might want to call it, but you know what I mean). However, it bothered me, so I decided to use the "Americanist" symbol "y" instead. It's better with "y" because the Hawaii article is about the 50th state of the USA. In American usage, "y" gets the intention across better to the general reader than "j" does. Thanks. Agent X 12:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that IPA was the official phonetic transcription scheme for WIkipedia. Frankly, I find it confusing when articles use different symbols for the same sound. Mo-Al 14:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

since wikipedia is not only for US citizens, using IPA would IMO be better throughout WP. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

ipa-N

you may be interested in

Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_26#Category:Writing_systems_categories

Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup of S-U articles

As this editor is banned and currently not interfering with the cleanup, you might want to help us at Wikipedia:SU. Thanks and happy editing, Kusma (討論) 13:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Candidate to Wiktionary

I hope I've cleared up the confusion regarding list of common phrases in various languages's status as a candidate to wiktionary. I've archived the older discussions of the talk page so hopefully nobody mistakes an older issue for a current one. If you'd like to nominate it for movement again I think it's customary to wait a month or two longer (the vote was in September). Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 05:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

fyi

the game is up for deletion again. Rdore 02:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Wyandotte

Hi Mo-Al

Just been woken up by your banner noting that I should include 4 tildes Victuallers 11:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC) (Just to be sure!) I see you edditted History of Wyandotte, Michigan‎. I'm not an expert on this place, I was just trying to Wikify it. Reading the talk pages it appears that it is a complete "lift" from a book. But users like your self have substantially editted it. Do you have a reference? At the moment it still has "Reference" rather than "ReferenceS". If not then no worries. Victuallers 11:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm just formatting and trimming, I'm not adding new info. But I don't have the book it came from either. Mo-Al 18:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Cook Islands Maori

Hi! I see you posted Cook Islands Maori on Wikipedia:Cleanup in July 2006. I'm int he process of trying to clean out old articles fromt he list. Could you review this page and see if it still has issues? I'd do it myself, but I fear that languages are not my Forte. Thank you! --Lendorien 19:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Georgian alphabet

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Speedy deletion of LSDJ (musician)

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Eşkıya Dünyaya

I noticed an old request of yours at the reference desk about a translation of this song. Here is what I came up with:

The year is 1341 I followed my own

The devil became the cause I took a life

I wrote my name in the book of murderers

A bandit cannot be a ruler of the world

Don't be sad my mother I have many worries

There is no count of how much I have suffered

None has surpassed me on the path of courageousness

A bandit cannot be a ruler of the world

A long time I endured suffering in dungeons

The inn of Sinop became our dwelling

I found help when I found an escape

A bandit cannot be a ruler of the world

From Sinop castle I flew to the sea

For three days and three nights appeared Rize

The mountains across invited us there

A bandit cannot be a ruler of the world

A detachment of troops surrounded my one side

Varilcioğlu surrounded my other side

With five hundred horsemen they blocked the road

A bandit cannot be a ruler of the world

Cheers --60.240.112.112 (talk) 09:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Translation

		The Israeli Barnstar of National Merit
		Thanks for translating ktiv male, good job! - Epson291 (talk) 13:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Motto of the day

Hello, I notice you're using one of the {{motd}} templates, run by Wikipedia:Motto of the day. You may have noticed that some of the mottos recently have been followed by a date from 2006, or on occasion simply "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". The reason for this is that Motto of the day is in some very serious need of help. Participation in the project, which has never been especially high, has dropped considerably over this past summer, to the point we have had several days where no motto was scheduled to appear at all. Over the past several weeks, I've been the only editor scheduling mottos at all, but there aren't enough comments on some of these mottos to justify their use. If we do not get some help - and soon - your daily mottos will stop. In order for us to continue updating these templates for you, we need your help.

When you get a chance between your normal editing, could you stop by our nominations page and leave a few comments on some of the mottos there, especially those that do not have any comments yet? This works very simply; you read a motto, decide whether or not you like it, and post your opinion just below the motto. That's it - no experience required, just an idea of what you personally like and what you feel reflects Wikipedia and its community. If you do have past experience with the project, then please close some of the older nominations once they've got a decent consensus going. There are directions on the nominations page on how to do this.

If you have any questions, please let me know, or post on the project's talk page. I'm looking forward to reading your comments on the suggested mottos, and any additional suggestions you'd like to make. Until then, happy editing! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:39, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Telefol people

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Ok, I actually intended to improve the article anyway. I just wanted to put something up as a placeholder with a link to a source. Mo-Al (talk) 23:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Afro-Asiatic correspondences

Hi, I'd like to assume the 2nd Semitic *b in the table is a typo for *p, but I thought I'd check with you first.

I took the table out of Proto-Semitic BTW, that article should probably only consider PAA → PS changes, similar to how individual Semitic articles only list their individual changes. (And if there's no stable reconstruction of PAA, then a discussion of the differing views doesn't really belong to the PS article.) --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 20:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'll fix the typo. I agree that PAA -> PS would be more useful but my book deals mainly with PS. However frankly I might think that the table would make more sense in the PS article since a table of correspondences of sounds in cognates to PS phonemes is makes sense even without a reconstruction for PAA. Mo-Al (talk) 21:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Cenytral Morocco Tamazight

Hi, I am reviewing Central Morocco Tamazight. I think there is much good mateial in the article and that it is commendable that you have written such a comprehensive article on a language area that is otherwise very poorly represented in wikipedia. I would like to see this article make GA. However I have had to put it on hold since it has several problems that will need to be adressed for it to pass. If you are available to adress these problems within the next week I will continue the review if not I will likely have to fail it. The problems are mostly in the area of good prose, and there are some problems with comprehensiveness and unnecessary digressions as well. It seems to be well sourced although I have not yet begun verifying sources. I will start slowly building up the review today but most of the review will be made over the week. Cheers.·Maunus·ƛ· 18:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

It would be good if you took the time to describe the improvements you make to the article on the GA review page. Also take the time to read WP:LEAD so that you can make the lead live up to the requirements. The problems with the prose are pretty annoying and I think I will have to fail the article on criteria 1 if you don't find a way to improve it. I suggest that you find a native English speaker with interest in linguistics who'll agree to brush up the prose. ·Maunus·ƛ· 00:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

You are doing good work on the article - I have provided new suggestions for improvement on the review page.·Maunus·ƛ· 14:06, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The article's GA review has now been on hold for three weeks - and very few edits have been made the last week although there are stil many unadressed suggestions for improvements on the review page. If the article is not significantly closer to GA status on monday july 13th, a month after the review process was begun , I will have to fail it for now. ·Maunus·ƛ· 19:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

For personal reasons I've been unable to edit for the past two weeks. I should get some good work done today and/or Sunday. Mo-Al (talk) 16:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, Glad to see you back then. I still think the article needs much work though. I think I would reccommend de-nominating it and instead take it through a Peer-Review - you could also try to see if you could get the league of copyeditors to help you with it. Then take it to GA or even directly to FA when the concerns raised by me and by subsequent peerreviewers have been adressed. The prose problems are the major stumbling block now - the prose is too choppy and not at all easy or pleasing to read. ·Maunus·ƛ· 17:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll take your advice. Thanks! Mo-Al (talk) 18:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Central Morocco Tamazight grammar

On June 23, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Central Morocco Tamazight grammar, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 20:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Need for a little translation

Hello Mo-Al

I am a contributor in the List of living supercentenarians article. It happens that someone found this report [2], where it seems a kind of tribute to Maria Pogonowska the oldest israelian person. None of the regular editors of this article speaks hebrew, so we don't know if this is a death report or not. I don't want a full translation of the text, I only need to know if Maria Pogonowska is dead or alive. Best regardsJapf (talk) 12:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I've realized that there are many news on that page. The important one refers Pogonowska's birth year 1897. So look for the number 1897.Japf (talk) 12:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

That link seems to be the forum dedicated to Polish culture on www.tapuz.co.il, accessible in an easier-to-navigate form here. Assuming the Pogonowska is the same one referred to here as "Doctor Maria Pruner Pogonowska (and which says she was born in Warsaw in 1897), she died at the age of 112. Mo-Al (talk) 17:43, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your precious help. Japf (talk) 17:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Moksha Numerals

Hi. Actually it is impossible to provide isbn for these old sources. May be book page scan can be found. Some are also mentioned | here--Numulunj pilgae 14:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Offer to copy edit Central Morocco Tamazight

Hi. User:Maunus referred me over here to help copy edit Central Morocco Tamazight. A few days ago I finished copy editing Missions of the Chiquitos that Maunus passed as GA. I've had a look at Central Morocco Tamazight and would love to have a go at it, if you don't mind. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:29, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Whatever you would be willing to do would be extremely appreciated. Just fyi the article's prose is probably written in an extremely choppy manner, as I was basically adding to it in bits and pieces whenever I found any relevant information, but I think I've become sort of blind to it all after editing it for so long. Mo-Al (talk) 21:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I've read the following articles Ottawa language, Canadian Gaelic, and Otomi language to get a sense of organizational structure in the language articles. It's best if I copy pieces from the article into my sandbox, work on the prose there, have you approve the final edits, and then move back into the article. Does that sound like a good plan to you? I'll be gone for some time today, but will return later tonight. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 17:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

That's perfectly fine. Mo-Al (talk) 23:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I have a few questions and a few comments. Shall I post here, or on the article talk page? Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

The article's talk page might make more sense, so that other editors can be aware of how they could help improve the article and offer any missing factual information. Mo-Al (talk) 16:44, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry

I am sorry for assuming without reason that you were not a native English speaker. I think it was merely your user name which sounds sort of exotic and your interest in semitic and berber languages that gave me the idea that you weren't (and maybe the choppy prosed in the Tamazight article - but I understand thats for a different reason). I am sure truthkeeper can help you get Central Morocco Tamazight meet the GA mark - when you are nearly there give me a buzz - I would be more than happy to review it again. Sorry for assuming! And happy editing.·Maunus·ƛ· 04:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

No trouble. I assume my writing in the article was somewhat unnatural-sounding due to the discontinuous manner in which it was written. Mo-Al (talk) 04:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Uyghur

Can you rv back the Cyrillic text? The Omniglot Cyrillic sample is wrong but the chart is correct. Э is loan only, е is é, and schwa is ä/e. There are a few mistakes though like wijdan. Use the chart under orthography, I based it from Hahn which I'm sure is correct. I just can't do this since I'm on my mobile device, and sorry for my choppiness :0! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 07:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, though we need a source eventually. Mo-Al (talk) 08:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Any sample text in Uyghur Cyrillic will show schwas all over the place. Omniglot is simply wrong here; there is a cut-off between ignoring reliable sources in an OR fashion, and judiciously rejecting otherwise reliable sources because they are simply wrong. This is more the second case. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 11:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, but it does need a source eventually. I believe you two completely, but if a relatively uninformed reader comes along and looks at the article, they'll have no idea where we're getting our data from. Mo-Al (talk) 18:30, 12 August 2009 (UTC)