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헝가리어판 백과의 hu:Vadász Bea 문서에 한국계 일본인 성우인 박로미가 일본식 발음인 Paku Romi로 적혀있길래 Romi Park로 고쳤습니다. 그런데 다른 사용자분이 되돌려놨더군요. 제가 근거를 대며 Romi Park라 고치면 그 분이 박박 우겨대며 되돌려놓습니다. 분명 한국사람이니 Romi Park이 맞을텐데, 대체 이 사람은 무슨 사고방식을 갖고 있는 걸까요? 어쩌면 좋을까요? 112.158.15.62 (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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Interlingua

Dear colleague Mithridates, did you confuse interlingue with interlingua, or do you speak both? Yours sincererly, Sockenschütze (talk) 08:27, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Sockenschütze:, I did not confuse the two. Why do you ask? Interlingua I was a fan of for a while back in 2005 or so but for about 10 years now I have only preferred Interlingue/Occidental. Mithridates (talk) 08:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I have seen on the site https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Mithridates the category Kategorie:User ia-2 when I was searching for Interlingua-experts. I wonder if I should learn it. --Sockenschütze (talk) 09:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sockenschütze: Ah, I see. I haven't updated my user pages on quite a few Wikipedias now. I can now only recommend Occidental/Interlingue, but others may have their own preferences. I can probably help more if you have any reasons in particular for wanting to learn it - otherwise I'll just continue to recommend the one I believe to be best. For example even as a propagator of Occidental I might recommend LFN for someone who really wants to learn a Romance creole, and Ido to someone who wants something like Esperanto but with reversability and no accented letters. Mithridates (talk) 09:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Please excuse me, I am tousled. What ist LFN? --Sockenschütze (talk) 11:48, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sockenschütze: Auch das ist eine Plansprache: Lingua Franca Nova oder Elefen (LFN). Ich meine, es gibt viele davon und es ist schwer zu sagen, welche du solltest lernen, weil es immer eine persönliche Sache ist. Persönlich seit 2009 mag ich nur Okzidental/Interlingue, und Interlingua nicht mehr. Mithridates (talk) 12:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Lieber Kollege Mithridates, ich danke dir, dass du mir auf Deutsch antwortest. Das ist sehr nett von dir. Dein Deutsch ist überraschend gut. Für mich ist es verwirrend, weil ich nicht genug über Plansprachen weiß. Einen Experten würde ich fragen: Gibt es eine beste Plansprache? Lohnt es sich, sie zu lernen? Ist es vorteilig für die internationale Verständigung, wenn keiner der Sprecher seine Erstsprache spricht? Gilt das gleichwertig für das geschriebene Wort? --Sockenschütze (talk) 12:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sockenschütze: Oh, nichts zu danken – Deutsch ist nämlich meine Lieblingssprache – in Europa, mindestens. Es ist immer ein Vergnügen, auf Deutsch zu schreiben!

Das sind schwere Fragen.

Eine beste Plansprache: ich glaube, dass es zwei Typen gibt: die Plansprachen wie Esperanto, und die wie Okzidental/Interlingua. Der erste Typ ist fast komplett autonom und sein Wert liegt in der Sprache selbst. Ich meine, diejenige, die Esperanto lernen, jetzt kann Esperanto sprechen, aber niemand kann sie ohne Vorstudien verstehen. Aber diejenige, die Okzidental / Interlingua lernt, kann diese Sprachen benutzen aber auch viele andere Leute kann die Sprache verstehen, weil die Wörter sind internationaler (crear -> creation -> creatura, sole -> solari -> sol-sistema, nómine -> nominar -> nomination usw). Dasselbe Ding kann man sehen mit anderen regionalen Plansprachen wie Interslavic, aber natürlich sind sie ziemlich schwächer: nur zwei oder dreihundert Million können sie verstehen ohne Vorstudien…das ist nicht schlecht, aber im Vergleich mit den romanischen Sprachen sehen sie sehr klein aus.

Für mich die beste Sprache ist die Sprache, die 1) verstehbar, 2) regelmäßig, und 3) autonom ist. Die andere Sprachen sind wie folgende:

Esperanto: die am größten Plansprache. Nicht verstehbar, regelmäßig, autonom.

Ido: Kleiner, ein bisschen verstehbarer aber nicht viel, regelmäßig, autonom.

Interlingua: Verstehbar, nicht regelmäßig, nicht autonom.

Interlingue/Okzidental: Verstehbar, fast regelmäßig, autonom.

Bei autonom meine ich, dass die Sprache seine eigene Wörter machen darf.

Lohnt es sich, sie zu lernen? -- Ich glaube ja, aber man muss verstehen, dass diese Sprachen noch sehr klein sind. Selbst Esperanto ist eine kleine Sprache. Und es gibt manchmal eine bestimmte Feindseligkeit zwischen die Sprachen – man muss erinnern, dass diese Sprachen Wäre sind, ganz wie Apple und Samsung oder Microsoft und Linux. Das endgültige Ziel einer Plansprache ist *die* Weltsprache werden. Natürlich sind die zwischensprachliche Beziehungen manchmal gut, aber nicht immer. Ich persönlich bin immer friedlich und habe gute Beziehungen mit anderen Sprachen, auch Esperanto. Aber beim Nutzen mag ich nur Okzidental.

Internationale Verständigung: ich glaube ja. Mit diesen Sprachen ist man immer in Beziehung mit Menschen von diesem oder einem anderen Land, also ist eine komplette internationale Unverständigung fast unmöglich. Aber als ein Instrument von Weltfrieden ist eine Plansprache ein bisschen übertrieben.

Das am schönsten mit einer Plansprache ist, dass man fast immer sicher ist, dass man sie korrekt schreibt! Es ist faszinierend, eine Sprache zu benutzen, wo man weiß (nach ein paar Wochen Training), dass man sie benutzen kann, ohne Fehler. Auf diese Weise fühlt man sich etwas egaler, etwas zuversichtlicher. Mithridates (talk) 13:09, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Wenn ich dich richtig verstanden habe, sind die Vorteile der Interlingue gegenüber der Interlingua (nach deiner Meinung) eine größere Regelmäßigkeit und eine größere Autonomie. Dazu stelle ich die Frage: Ist diese Autonomie wirklich vorteilig? Die Befürworter der Interlingua sagen, es sei ein Vorteil, dass die meisten Wörter aus normalen Sprachen importiert seien. Übrigens, wenn ich dich korrigieren darf, lautet der Plural von Ware Waren und nicht Wäre. --Sockenschütze (talk) 14:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sockenschütze: Danke - also Waren und nicht Wäre. Jetzt schreibe ich mit dem Handy vor Schlafe . Ja, eine Sprache braucht mindestens ein bisschen Autonomie. Sieh mal z.B. wo Interlingua seine eigene Wörter nicht machen darf, wie balena (Walfish und Barte), villano (englisch villager und villain), ungul (Nagel und Hufe) usw. wo die gemeinsame Etymologie lasst Interlingua keine Wahl. Auch beim Derivation hat Interlingua sehr viel unregelmäßig Verben, in Okzidental nur sechs (sieh mal li regul de Wahl). Der große Unterschied zwischen die Sprachen ist dass Interlingua importiert die internationale Wörter aber Okzidental dieselbe Wörter selbst machen kann. z.B. miss-er, e-miss-er, e-miss-ion, miss-ion-ario, hier Interlingua braucht mitt-er aber miss- für Derivationswörter. Auch select-er, select-ion ist in Interlingua selig-er, select-ion, auch poss-er, poss-ibil, poss-ibil-itá aber in Interlingua pot-er und poss-ibile, usw. Zu viel Unregelmässigkeit für mich. Eigentlich gab es eine andere Interlingua, die Interlingua von Peano, die älter als Okzidental ist! Und auch diese Interlingua hat die Doppelverbes seliger - select-, poter - poss- usw. Aber De Wahl glaubte, dass man eine naturale aber gleichzeitig regelmässige Sprache machen konnte. Darum brauchte er fast 30 Jahre um sie vollzuziehen.

Morgen werde ich mehr schreiben! Mithridates (talk) 15:14, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

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Just as a heads up in case you didn't get an alert, I've added comments to the Interlingue Peer Review. Jerry (talk) 02:08, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@JerrySa1: Got it, thanks! No, I didn't notice until you left the message here and I had completely forgotten about the peer review as nothing had happened there until you read it. I'll try to incorporate some of what you've mentioned there this weekend. Mithridates (talk) 14:10, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

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Salute. Ante mult annus yo creat li situ interlingue.org con informationes pri Occidental e li Interlingue-Union. Ante quelc annus, quelc activistes accusat me, que mi ortographie confuse novicios e interessatos, e yo devet abandonar li projecte. Regretabilmen till hodie ti situ sta vacui e ínutilisat.

Yo vide, que Vu ja durant pluri annus es activ por interlingue. Esque forsan Vu vole utilisar li adresse de interlingue.org e per to anc auxiliar al Interlingue-Union recuperar su representantie in li web? Yo ha tande dat li technic possession a sr. Werner in Suissia, e yo crede, que il vell esser injoyat, si alquí vell denov vivificar li situ. Forsan Vu va considerar contactar le. --Sebastiano (talk) 21:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Ah bon, mersí! Yo ha esset recentmen in contact con Erich (yo scrit un articul por li numeró de Cosmoglotta a venir) e ne savet que il possedet li págine por interlingue.org. Yo self es (amatorimen) programmator ma nor situ https://occidental-lang.com/ esset creat de un altri amico con quel yo coresponde dialmen. Yo va proposir li idé de revivificar li situ a ti amico e contacter Erich pri li afere. Noi have un altri amico qui nu vive in La Chaux-de-Fonds e labora quelcvez al biblioteca de CDELI, e il es sempre interessat pri coses oficial: li statu del Union, in quel locs it es activ, etc., e anc il have un incontra arangeat con Erich quande Covid va ameliorar se. Anc il va esser interessat in revivificar li situ, yo crede. Mithridates (talk) 04:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

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