User talk:Michig/Archive12

Was wir sind

FYI, The Was wir sind article has been updated. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 09:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice - looks like there should be enough for the article to be kept now.--Michig (talk) 09:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Make an effort, please

I have responded at Talk:Next of Kin (band). Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:25, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Post-rock

Noticed you editing the Mogwai articles. You into post-rock? If so, this might interest you[1]. --JD554 (talk) 11:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I like a lot of post-rock. I never really got deeply into GY!BE but if they play live anywhere near me I might go along. I won't get to a.t.p. but I'll see when their other shows are announced. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 11:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

List of vegetarians

We deleted unreferenced BLP-related entries on sight, but if you can find a ref that's fine, but still we cannot keep unreferenced BLP-related ones for one more second, because they're evil. Kayau Voting IS evil 10:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. Well I hope you're joking with all that 'evil' stuff. The one I restored was previously referenced, it just wasn't a very good source, so I added better sources. Unverifiable entries are a problem, but the list is going to be better the more comprehensive it is so there's always the option of looking for sources for those that lack them rather than just removing them.--Michig (talk) 11:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Dancehall

I just wanted to add some information. I changed the reference. I put count Machuski because he and Lord Sir Comic were the first deejayers in Dancehall. The chants that where from the rastafarians in Reggae dub came later. Thanks for the edit because I know my grammer is not the best.

I do know more than what you think

I actually do know alot since I am related to some of the people in reggae and dancehall. I must know my own culture and what I have experienced first hand.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Realwords101 (talk • contribs)

Given that one of your edits was the addition of "Jamaican dub music is also another form of deejaying that has roots from African chants. Rastafarians added this to the music in the 1970s", I would have to conclude that when it comes to Jamaican music you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.--Michig (talk) 12:45, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Alan Vega birthdate

As you may know Alan Vega's birthdate is currently listed as 1948. There appears to conflicting evidence - the official book - versus the currently sourced Blast First Press Release. I'm trying to build consensus for a change. Please add comments on Talk :Alan Vega. Thanks. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Michig. You have new messages at Talk:Dancehall.
Message added 13:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Glitter Band

Hi Michig, The Glitter Band who were: Gerry Shephard, John Springate, Pete Phipps, Tony Leonard, Harvey Ellison and John Rossall... but what about Pete Gill and a few others, who were members of the band during their backing of Gary Glitter and seen many times on Top Of The Pops in 1972? Recognition and credit should be given to ALL who actually performed with the band! Pete Gill, for instance was drummer before Tony Leonard and was seen many times on Top Of The Pop's performing with the band and so too was a saxophone player, who generally wore dark shaded glasses, but NEVER a credit at all, anywhere! I suppose the question is: when did the Glitter Band first become? To me they began by backing Gary Glitter in 1972. --Butdavid (talk) 03:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

It comes down to sources, I think, which are thin on the ground for that era of the band's history.--Michig (talk) 07:01, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

And the sources ARE there, just view videos of early Top Of Th Pops' from 1972 and you will see, for fact, that there were other members! I know an ex-member of the band, who performed with The Glitter Band, in a gold lame suit and playing guitar, backing Garry Glitter on the hit single: "I didn't Know I Loved You (Til I saw You Rock N Roll), on Top Of The Pops, in the Autumn of 1972. This is verified on You Tube. Another ex-member never given recognition is also seen, playing saxophone on the same show and this particular ex-member went on to perform on several more of Garry Glitter's hits with the Glitter Band backing Gary Glitter, until 1973. Pete Gill is the same, as he was one of the drummers alongside Pete Phipps, around the same time, prior to Tony Leonard becoming drummer with Pete Phipps in 1973. All this is verified on You Tube. In fact, there is a page on Wikipedia for Pete Gill, which states that he was a member of The Glitter band, Saxon and Motorhead!--Butdavid (talk) 12:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't doubt that Pete Gill was a member of the band, the question is really at what point did they become 'The Glitter Band' rather than just Gary Glitter's backing band, and was Gill a member at that point? I understand that he'd left by the time that happened.--Michig (talk) 12:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

It states on Gary Glitter's Wikipedia page that: "Glitter, backed by The Glitter Band on stage, challenged Sweet, Slade and T.Rex for domination of the charts." There is no doubt that The Glitter Band became, well before 1974, when their first single: 'Angel Face' entered the charts for them, without Gary Glitter!--Butdavid (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm told that the band officially became The Glitter Band in late 1973, having previously been known as the Glittermen, by which time Gill had left. It was basically the same band that was together since the days of the Boston Showband, but we can't include everyone who played in any of these bands as members of The Glitter Band.--Michig (talk) 13:05, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

According to the Official Glitter Band Website: "The Glitter Band were the musicians who BACKED Gary Glitter on his hit records under the direction of the late great Mike Leander, and then went on to have a string of international Top 10 hits in their own right, including Angel Face, Goodbye My Love and Let's Get Together Again."--Butdavid (talk) 14:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they were largely the same musicians, but the issue is were they The Glitter Band while Gill was in the band, or did they only become The Glitter Band after he left?--Michig (talk) 17:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

It seems that there are uncertainties and even you do not appear to be absolutely certain when The Gliitermen actually became The Glitter Band. Therefore, i feel that in that situation, some kind of addition to the page should be made, to explain this and make it more clear that the OFFICIAL date of when The Glitter Band came into being is unknown. Mention of band members during that transitional period, when The Glittermen became the Glitter Band should be made, as their is obviously some uncertainty as to when The Glitter Band came into existance. To me their seems to be some denial, by some, of a certain period, in the early days, when the band backed Gary Glitter. Wikipedia should be about attempting to tell the truth, but if the truth is unknown, it should be stated. I have been informed that their was an article in the Christmas 1974 Top Of The Pop's Annual written by Norma Matheson with the heading "The Glitter Boys". This article included photo's from the previous few years of the band and which included in the pictures members prior to 1973.--Butdavid (talk) 03:19, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Dear michig I think it is not right when you only tell half of the story.it is true that there was an injunction against me but i went back to the high court on 4th november 1997 and asked mr justice lightman how i could advertise my band in view of the fact that i formed the Glitter band and my artistic contributions . He suggested to myself and mr shepherd that i could use the glitterband name as long as my name was attached. he suggested we agree between ourselves how we could do this. we came to an agreement and since then 12 years or so i have toured the uk and abroad without any complaints or objections from anybody including mr phipps who by the way was not a party involved in the original injunction. i have an ongoing court case against mr phipps (a restraining order) i can send you lawyers letters and a copy of the court proceedings. i am the surviving co writer of the bands biggest hits without my songs there would be no wikipedia page on the glitterband if i have an email adress for you i will gladly send you documents

regards john rossall —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnrossall (talk • contribs) 19:14, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

None of which explains why you removed mention of the first 2 court cases. If there was subsequent ruling allowing to use 'Glitter' in your band name but still not to call your band 'The Glitter band', that would be an interesting addition to the article, but doesn't provide a reason for your deletions. As The Glitter Band has continued after you left, the 'other' band is still The Glitter Band. I'm happy to include a mention of your band as a former member, but I see no justification for regarding it as 'The Glitter band'. --Michig (talk) 19:24, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

glitter band

pete gill was a member of the glitter band. also the only members of the glitterband to play on gary glitters hits were john rossall harvey ellison mike leander and gary glitter —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnrossall (talk • contribs) 19:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

A few more aources would make all this a lot easier. I couldn't find a lot of newspaper/magazine coverage from the early 70s although I'm sure a lot exists. Without that we simply have claims from one person and counter claims from another. If anyone has a scrapbook of cuttings it would certainly help. I'm not going to spend all my time on this article, however, so if we keep getting arguments over what is and isn't correct, I'll simply trim it to those facts that can be verified from reliable sources, whether or not anyone thinks these are right or not. --Michig (talk) 19:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

it would seem you are completely unaware of the correct history. everybody left the glitterband to pursue other projects i still perform as the glitterband today. of course you can have the history of court datails but please the whole story. i really feel i need to speak with somebody about this because of the ongoing situation —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnrossall (talk • contribs) 19:36, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

The BAND'S line-up on some of GARY GLITTER'S performances of his hit singles from 1972 thru to the Autumn of 1973:

(NOTE: I have now found the name of the sax player, who performed in the band, on several of Gary Glitter's hits, prior to the band becoming officially known as The Glitter Band in the Summer of 1973.)

"ROCK & ROLL (PART 2)" ('Disco '72' - performance appears to be from show # 21 - 14.10.1972 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_(TV_series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xd44PWZGzg Drums: Pete Gill, Drums: Pete Phipps, Guitar: Gerry Shephard, Bass Guitar: John Springate, (In this performance, there appears to be no sax players!)

"I DIDN'T KNOW I LOVED YOU (TIL I SAW YOU ROCK AND ROLL)" (Top Of The Pop's, aired 12 October, 1972) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srf7v3OP-6o Sax: John Rossall, Sax: Bob Edmunds, Drums: Pete Gill, Drums: Pete Phipps, Guitar: Gerry Shephard, Bass Guitar (Rickenbacker): Albert Darley (Only ever performed on this hit backing Gary Glitter.) NOTE: Harvey Ellison was in the band at this time, but could not perform, due to an injury.

"ROCK & ROLL (PART 2)" ('Glam Rock' video; appears to be taken from TOTP's, December 1972/January 1973, performance, as Gary Glitter is heard saying: "Happy New Year!") http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mSoKsCJMtI Sax: John Rossall, Sax: Bob Edmunds, Drums: Pete Gill, Drums: Pete Phipps, Guitar: Gerry Shephard, Bass Guitar: John Springate. NOTE: Harvey Ellison was in the band at this time, but could not perform, due to an injury.

"DO YOU WANNA TOUCH ME (OH YEAH!)" (Appears to be TOTP's, 1973) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvtRkarV5wM Sax: John Rossall, Sax: Bob Edmunds, Drums: Pete Gill, Drums: Pete Phipps, Guitar: Gerry Shephard, Bass Guitar: John Springate. NOTE: Harvey Ellison was in the band at this time, but could not perform, due to an injury.

"HELLO HELLO I'M BACK AGAIN" ('Rage,' b/w,1973) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Msnt4lLm-g Sax: John Rossall, Sax: Bob Edmunds, Sax: Harvey Ellison, Drums: Pete Gill, Drums: Pete Phipps, Guitar: Gerry Shephard, Bass Guitar: John Springate,

"I'M THE LEADER OF THE GANG (I AM)" (Top Of The Pop's, 1973) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4V7Y_bWiYI Sax: John Rossall, Sax: Harvey Ellison, Drums: Pete Phipps, Drums: Tony Leonard, Guitar: Gerry Shephard, Bass Guitar: John Springate,

"I LOVE YOU LOVE ME LOVE" (Top Of The Pop's, w/e 17 November, 1973) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMrbIzd69Q Sax: John Rossall, Sax: Harvey Ellison, Drums: Pete Phipps, Drums: Tony Leonard, Guitar: Gerry Shephard, Bass: Guitar: John Springate. Butdavid (talk) 16:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

glitterband

i have emailed wikipedia about this situation i think it need clearing up legally —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnrossall (talk • contribs) 19:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

glitter band

i have now read the full article and there are some parts of it that are not correct. mr phipps glitterband have not performed apart from 2 or 3 performances over the last 10 years until last november. mr springate left the glitterband about 16 years ago and only started to perform last year november. from 2001 until last year my band have been the only version. there or other facts that i do not want to post on a public notice board. i have written statemants and other sources to support this how do i get these to you please? john rossall--Johnrossall (talk) 07:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

If you have 'legal' concerns, please take this up at Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem. Thanks.--Michig (talk) 08:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Glitter Band

Michig, you have been dragged into a personal battle between Mr Phipps and MR Rossall, which we as fans will lose out on, fact is that there have been several incarnations of the band, Rossall has wrote and played on and performed on the band's biggest hits, he still plays 'The Glitter Band feat John Rossall' and this is pending a UK tm approval, (see Trade Mark's Website) You are being lied to if you hear anything else from Mr Phipps, Mr Boulding or Mr Pearson who are all Mr Phipps associates, Phipps effectively wishes to write Rossall out of the history of the band past and future to the detriment of us the fans, if you allow this to happen then you are not abiding by the moral principles upon which wikepedia was foounded and is based upon, please include info for both bands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.36.225.39 (talk) 07:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

'anon. fan': John Rossall was a member of the Glitter Band in its most meaningful era - the article reflects that and it isn't going to be 'written out'. I'd really like to find more coverage of that period from 1973 to 1977, as that's the most important period in the band's history and should have more detail than we have at present. I'm not going to take anything as true unless a reliable source is provided to back it up. --Michig (talk) 10:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

glitterband

the legal situation is ongoing but i think the facts and true history is important there are not even given any composers history mentioned rossall/shepherd. you say that other sources and scrap books are relevent. i have scrapbooks and other completely independent sources yet you dont appear to want to see or hear them. i often go on to wikipedia to read about the people who influenced my music and songwriting i now am very cynical as to know what to believe about any of the information on here. i feel completely let down and by your seemingly biased behavior--Johnrossall (talk) 10:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm not biased John, the article represents the sources that I've found, which as I've already said are certainly not the whole of the sources that must be out there, but that's all we have to work with at the moment. If other publicly-available independent reliable sources exist please point others towards them at Talk:The Glitter Band, and they will be incorporated into the article. If anything going on here could form part of ongoing legal action, then I'm not going to get involved in that. --Michig (talk) 10:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

glitterband

ok michig i do understand that you can only work with the information in your possesion and i understand as i have seen in a previous letter on hear that when musicians fall out with each other they can be less than candid with the truth. but it is well documented publicly that i formed the glitterband and all the musicians were contracted to me not gg. i was the musical director of the band and i personaly procured a recording contract . i can also tell you that on all the gg hits mr harvey ellison and myself flew off to paris to do the singles and albums. mike played all the guitars and drums harvey and my self played sax and brass and about 40 overdubs of backing vocals and handclaps on these recordings we had blisters on our hands. the other band members didnt even here the record until 2 days before the totps recording. mike leander had a complete ban on this because at that time everybody wanted to keep the records secret. i could go on and on michig. the legal action i am taking is to stop precisely what has happened here. it should be done and dusted in a couple of months. i will not leave anymore posts on here as i have to prepare for 2 big glitterband concerts in germany. but maybe you can ask yourself if the statement about prison is correct why am i not in prison?

                         again i understand your position etc
                                                              kind regards john--Johnrossall (talk) 11:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

glittrerband

than you michig. a little more info john white was the original drummer replaced by pete phipps round about august 1972 ray moxley was the original bass player replaced by john springate around the same time. tony leonard replaced peter gill in summer 1973.in july in 1973 gg started to announce the band as the glitterband. we toured without a record december 1973 although the single was almost ready to release.--Johnrossall (talk) 12:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

the Glitterband

Michig thankyou for the changes. another couple of points. in 1981 gerry shepard and myself briefly reformed the glitterband with the release of "until the next time" penned by rossall/shephard/seago and released on the polo record label.from 2001 until 2009 my band was the only touring glitterband.mr phipps joined a sweet tribute band bcsweet he emerged in 2009 as the glitter band re born 2009 and advertized the comeback on his website www.theglitterband.co.uk you can also check an article in the sun where i was intrviewed as the glitterband. also around this time a tv documentary "the real gary glitter" screened on channel 4 myself and brian ellison where interviewed as thwe glitterband. i hope this helps with the history thankyou john--217.39.50.46 (talk) 08:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

JetBlack500

Have to laugh, eh? See this? :) Wwwhatsup (talk) 21:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Bizarre. What's going on there, I wonder? I made a report to WP:AN/EW last night but all the admins must be asleep or something.

--Michig (talk) 07:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd love to know under what user id all those "thousands of edits" were made. I am convinced this is a bossy female but I could be wrong. Seems to be coming around, though. Wwwhatsup (talk) 14:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I just did some rewrite on Alan Vega, including removing the much reverted ref. Let's see if if it stands. With Jetblack500 blocked another editor User:Eudemis seems to have showed up. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

A snippet of something reproduced on his own website was never really a good independent source anyway. --Michig (talk) 06:51, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Oop, looks like we're at it again. Please keep an eye. Wwwhatsup (talk) 06:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Carlton Patterson

Maybe a good candidate for your todo list? Wwwhatsup (talk) 14:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd love to create an article, but I'm struggling for sources. I've added it to the todo list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Reggae. If you have any sources, let me know. He gets a mention in a few books that I've got but nothing really substantial.--Michig (talk) 14:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I came across his name on a Japanese site and couldn't discover much. That's why I punted it over to you. Because I know you have the books. Wwwhatsup (talk) 14:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

The Glitter Band

•The Glitter Band is an internationally registered trademark and the only person entitled to use the Glitter Band name is the person who holds that trademark. That trademark was jointly held by Gerry Sheppard and myself, and after Gerry’s passing, is now held exclusively by me. •John Rossall is not entitled to use the name Glitter Band but has continually flouted the trademark and legal judgements protecting it, the last of which in 1997 re-affirmed this but allowed for him to refer to himself in small print as ex-Glitter Band, subject on each occasion to prior approval by the holder of the Glitter Band trademark. He continues to flout the law. •I am not and have never tried to deny John Rossall the right to perform. All I have done, as I did previously with Gerry was to protect the Glitter Band trademark so Gerry and I could continue to earn a living from it through what we all know have been challenging times. Both Gerry and I were happy for John to perform as John Rossall using the line ex-Glitter Band. This would have made it clear that he was not trading as the Glitter Band itself. However John has continually ignored various high court judgements and billed himself under various permutations of the name The Glitter Band. •I have been performing as the Glitter Band consistently over the last 20 years at shows across Europe. Last year John Springate rejoined the band and we have obviously been actively promoting our ‘new’ lineup with the band fronted by one of its original lead singers and bassist. •John Rossall left the band early in its history, on December 31st 1974, under circumstances which I don’t want to go into, but at that point he gave up the right to use the name and played no part in the creative output of the band. I would never negate John’s contribution to the band in those early years including co-writing some great songs (more on that to come in the future). Pete Phipps The Glitter Band Thehillsarealive (talk) 12:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I have checked the UK Trade Mark Registry and confirm that "The Glitter Band" is registered by Peter Phipps in 1995. There is a pending current registration of "The Glitter Band featuring John Rossall" (which has been opposed). Anybody can check here. I only comment here because the date(s) of registration are pertinent. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for this - very useful.--Michig (talk) 13:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

(ec)As I said to John Rossall and the 'anonymous fan' above, the only way anyone on Wikipedia can decide what should and should not be included in the article is by finding reliable sources that can be used to verify the claims being made. If there is another court case going on then we can report on the outcome when that reaches a conclusion. If anyone has any articles from the history of the band, e.g. from magazines, newspapers, etc., it would be useful if they could be scanned and uploaded to the web so that we can see them and use them to add more detail to the article. It would be nice to have more detail about the band from the 1970s years. While it's understandable that the various legal proceedings are important to the parties concerned, it would be a shame if these overshadowed the rest of the band's history. --Michig (talk) 13:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

AN3/Jetblack500

I find this difficult to understand. This editor persistently edited against consensus and reverted at least five times in a matter of hours. Other editors were trying to reach a consensus-based version of the article and this was being disrupted by Jetblack500. Can you explain how you came to your decision here, please? If you have an explanation for why it took so long for this report to be dealt with, that would also be of interest - a noticeboard that doesn't work isn't likely to get a lot of use. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 13:59, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

That was a mistake; I meant to put the "no violation" for the previous section. As for Jetblack500, I blocked him for twenty-four hours based on the evidence you provided and the history of the article.

As for why it takes so long... well, that's what happens when being a Wikipedia admin is voluntary. Although there are supposedly hundreds of active admins, for some reason there aren't too many who have staked out this noticeboard as an area they check frequently. This used to be an area I checked often, but I have been very busy as of late and I have been trying to find time to work on a particular article (that is, Istanbul) because, to me at least, I feel it's more important to work on improving an article than to halt content disputes and edit-warriors. Obviously, from the perspective of someone who has to deal with an edit warrior, that's aggravating and perhaps not understandable, but that's the way I feel; most readers won't notice an edit war is even happening, but most will notice a bad article.

In the future, if you feel AN3 (or any other noticeboard) is backlogged, you may want to post a notice on WP:AN saying so as well as add the {{admin backlog}} to the top of the relevant noticeboard. It should then get handled fairly quickly. -- tariqabjotu 14:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. I understand absolutely that individual admins have limited time and other priorities, but most important areas where admins are needed generally seem to me to have enough sysop eyes on them to cope, with the exception perhaps of C:CSD, which I would see as less problematic if backlogged anyway (with some exceptions). If I ever throw my hat into the ring at RFA, I'll know one of at least one area where we're short of admins.--Michig (talk) 14:25, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Sid Bucknor

I am hearing reports that original Studio One engineer Sid Bucknor passed earlier today. Hopefully some authoritative obits will emerge with enough info for an article. Wwwhatsup (talk) 22:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I never realised he was Coxsone Dodd's cousin. I'll see what I can find later/tomorrow.--Michig (talk) 06:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Why do you think changing the date from 1970 to 1950 would be vandalism? I am curious. I already gave resources to point out that the early Dancehall Deejays(Jamaican rappers) were Count Machuki, Lord Sir comic and king Stitt. There would had not been Dancehall music without them. Performance and production By John Shepherd --Realwords101 (talk)

I'll explain this to you one more time but no more. Deejaying and Dancehall reggae are not the same thing. Dancehalls as in dances with sound systems existed in Jamaica before anyone started deejaying, and before reggae existed. Dancehall reggae is a style of reggae that originated in the 1970s. This has been explained to you before, the article contains sources confirming this, the sources that you keep coming up with do not back up your claims or changes. Changing the article by adding unsourced claims that contradict reliable sources cited in the article is disruptive. Cease and desist.--Michig (talk) 14:22, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I guess you have never heard early Dancehall music by Count Machuki and Lord Sir comic. Dancehall Reggae would never had happened without early Deejays. The resource I provided clearly stated that they were the earliest form of Dancehall. Dancehall never would have happened. --Realwords101 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:34, 22 May 2010 (UTC).

That would be Sir Lord Comic - yes, I've heard the early deejay tracks - the resource you provided states that deejaying started in dance halls. It doesn't state that dancehall reggae started with the early deejays. Stop wasting my time.--Michig (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Traitors (album)

Hey, thanks for the additional clean-up to Traitors. As you can tell, I haven't really learned citation formatting yet, just the basic ref tags. The Critical Reception section looks good! Hopefully our Anon friend will stop redirecting this over and over again now. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 19:11, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Let's hope so. The evidence of significant coverage was there all along in the infobox, just needed fleshing out.--Michig (talk) 19:22, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

King of the Slums / SCU

Hi mate. First off, I have a tremendous amount of respect for the work you do here, so I come in peace... It may well be that KOTS were originally known as Slum Cathedral User, but I'm not convinced it's appropriate for the lead section of the article. The Beatles does not start with The Beatles aka The Quarrymen, and I don't recall the SCU name ever being used commercially. I agree entirely that the name should be used in the infobox, and referenced (if possible) in the article, but the lead section seems to give undue weight to a name that the band never really used. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks, and keep up the excellent work. sparkl_!sm ^hey! 15:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

The Quarrymen wasn't really the same band as The Beatles. Although KOTS never released any records in their original form as Slum Cathedral User, according to Mick Middles' article they did enter a 'battle of the bands' competition (for which Middles was one of the judges) under that name, and played several gigs. The band's 'revival' releases also seem to be credited under both names. I'd be fairly happy for the SCU name to be left to a mention in the History section, if you want to go ahead and do that, although as Keigher appears to favour the SCU name again now it might be appropriate to mention it somewhere in the lede (which could do with being slightly longer).--Michig (talk) 15:33, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

OK cool, I've had a bash at that - take a look. Cheers! sparkl_!sm ^hey! 07:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me.--Michig (talk) 11:13, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

The Cassettes

May I ask where you found the sufficient coverage? Please to be adding it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 15:14, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Allmusic, Washington City Paper (via Google). Maybe when the football's finished.--Michig (talk) 15:26, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

There you go.--Michig (talk) 16:11, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I might mention there was a pretty good girl band of the same name at one point around 10 years ago, perhaps NYC based (google reveals zilch). Just as I was getting interested they were drowned out by the DC crew. Also The Pipettes backing group is also known as The Cassettes. Wwwhatsup (talk) 00:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't come across anything on the girl band when I was looking for sources. Shelby Cinca seems to have his fingers in more pies than most people have fingers.--Michig (talk) 07:42, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ron Johnson Records

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Unreferenced, non notable company fails WP:V and WP:CORP

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Codf1977 (talk) 09:03, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Ron Johnson Records

I have nominated Ron Johnson Records, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Johnson Records. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Codf1977 (talk) 09:22, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Trash Talk (band)

Thank you very much for declining it Michig. The user who proposed the speedy deletion provided justifiable reasons to add the other tags (the article needs to clean up). His immediate addition though to propose the speedy deletion was just unusual and somewhat uncalled for when the tags he added encouraged improving which I am still doing. Once again thank you. The Phantomnaut (talk) 06:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)