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Vyacheslav Ganelin

Thanks for tidying up the list of recordings, MenkinAlRire. Thanks also for your improvements of other jazz related articles. Welcome to Wikipedia, and keep up the good work :) --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 17:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Herbie Hancock discography

Hi Menkin. In the HH discography you created the "Guest" voice. Here you posted some releases previously situated in "Sideman". Can you tell me why? I knew that an artist for to be a "guest" must be credited as "featuring" on the main title. SJ (talk) 23:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Doing a research on Google, i find that sideman and guest are the same thing. For this reason i reverted your edits. Read these links

http://musicians.about.com/b/2011/10/11/guest-appearances-and-you.htm (here you can read also the sideman rules)

http://ultimatemusicianpackage.com/exploring-music-contracts/

SJ (talk) 00:17, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Simone. Here we are at wikipedia, not at lawschool. the links talk about contracts. guest appearences are usually only for one track, as a sideman you are part of a band of another musician. that is a huge difference. - and please, don't add every record you see, where hancock is mentioned. he has nothing to do with those compilations. a discography is meant to be one of original albums (and some more like 'as sideman', maybe boxes with 'complete recordings', ORIGINAL soundtracks ...) over 70 compilation... it's just pointless, it's just the further exploitation of existing material without editorial justification (like 'complete recordings' or 'never before released' material) - Think about it. MenkinAlRire 01:00, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Two suggestions

From this talk-page entry of yours (click on the link to see), I have two suggestions for you:

• One is, when you do a talk-page entry, use four tildes ("~~~~") at the end to create a dated "signature" for yourself.
• Second (this you may not wish) if you click on your "red name" on the EoGuy talk page for instance and thence create a user page of whatever detail, you'll convert to a "blue name" (which I personally prefer over the red).

Not volunteering for any proofreading but will keep an eye out of course. Cheers. Swliv (talk) 06:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I didn't understand the "CHECKED" reply to the dab link notifications on this page, but see that at least one (KWheeler) signifies "Corrected". Again, signing with four tildes would help, too. All best. Swliv (talk) 01:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

May 2013

Hello, I'm Ramaksoud2000. I noticed that you recently removed some content from David McMurray without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry: I restored the removed content. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Ramaksoud2000 ^{(Talk to me)} 20:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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You edit to Ella Fitzgerald Sings the Cole Porter Songbook

Hey, thanks for your edit! I read the description and thought I would clean the personnel list up a bit, but before I did I wanted to ask; you did adapt those track notes from the CD release of the album, right? I just wanted to make sure before I did anything since now the article also needs the CD track listing noted. Thank you! --LurganShmith (talk) 19:33, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

hi, please give me some more time, that was supposed to be the next step. I wanted to copy my rearrangement of Ella and Duke at the Cote D'Azur. I combined the lp and cd issues, since they are identical (despite the bonus tracks). it doesn't need so much space, and the numeration of the cd is simpler, without anyone getting confused looking for the lp (I hope.) - I have to admit, this time I couldn't really read the cover, I don't own it, but ususually discogs eg. provide jpgs, that are readable. In this case I trust discogs (while hearing the album), despite it's reputation as user content based website, therefore unreliable. (That's why all review refs are solely from allmusic, mostly scott yanow. wiki is getting to be a simple copy of allmusic. it is not really smart and reliable either, beside the reviews; but the release dates... and listing alphabetically the marimba player after the make up for the cover photograph, that's... it's been copied into wiki like that — oh, at the bottom of Ella and Duke at the Cote D'Azur there is exactly what I just described - I didn't came so far down after reworking the 9cd edition...

'while hearing the album', I just heard, that the details discogs provides on the personell can't be accurate. i'll see, maybe it's my fault... — thanks for your attention. MenkinAlRire 21:15, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Yesterday I simple forgot to close the window, so I had to rewrite my changes again. It's allright with the data from discogs. I just won't name it as ref, because of the police (they are heavely armed nowadays.) - MenkinAlRire 19:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, but I just went ahead and fixed what needed to be fixed. I had been meaning to do it for half a year, but I got busy. Your recent edits reminded me of what was needed. -- For the record, what I did to the personnel list isn't entirely proper, but neither of our edits have been; I just did what I felt looked the least crowded and put names first (which is proper). With occasional exceptions, you usually don't list which track each member of an orchestra or band played during... but I did my best to figure out a way of noting it that didn't make my eyes cross trying to read. (joke)

Also, I poked my nose around the other article you linked me to and made a few minor edits, but you should really conciser adding a release history chart (like the one I added to Ella' Sings' Cole') to that other article to clear up all the catalog information you have in the track list sections. Also, the track list format that's used in Ella Fitzgerald Sings the Cole Porter Songbook is acceptable for use because there is very little information in the track list. Ella and Duke at the Cote D'Azur has a lot of information crammed into it; it would befit greatly from adapting it into this format:

12" Long Play

Side A / Side One

No.	Title	Writer(s)	Length
1.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:54
2.	"Example"	John Doe	2:46
3.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:58
4.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	3:26
5.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:48
6.	"Example"	John Doe	2:26
Total length:			32:02

Side B / Side Two

No.	Title	Writer(s)	Length
1.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:54
2.	"Example"	John Doe	2:46
3.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:58
4.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	3:26
5.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:48
6.	"Example"	John Doe	2:26
Total length:			32:02

1991 CD reissue / CD (1991)

Disc One

No.	Title	Writer(s)	Length
1.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:54
2.	"Example"	John Doe	2:46
3.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:58
4.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	3:26
5.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:48
6.	"Example"	John Doe	2:26
7.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:34
8.	"Example"	John Doe	3:34
9.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:58
10.	"Example"	John Doe	2:50
11.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	3:03
12.	"Example"	John Doe	3:04
Total length:			72:02

Disc Two

No.	Title	Writer(s)	Length
1.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:54
2.	"Example"	John Doe	2:46
3.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:58
4.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	3:26
5.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:48
6.	"Example"	John Doe	2:26
7.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:34
8.	"Example"	John Doe	3:34
9.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	2:58
10.	"Example"	John Doe	2:50
11.	"Example"	John Doe John Doe	3:03
12.	"Example"	John Doe	3:04
Total length:			72:02

Oh! -- and before I forget, you mentioned avoiding discogs citations? It is true that discogs should only be cited when Allmusic isn't an option, but when it is the only option you'll be fine using it as long as you only cite and use the pictures of original labels and liner notes that discogs has posted. The information that they list very often has errors, but the picture don't lie. I've gone as far as citing online auctions that post pictures of album labels and covers. It's all as good as citing original liner notes... which is what is... really.

But - anyway - yeah - I'm by no means trying to tell you what to do - or what not - just sharing tips I've learned in case you didn't know... I hope it helps!--LurganShmith (talk) 03:59, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Please disregard what I said about discogs -- I'm extremely dyslexic and big bodies of text scare me. I have to skim a few times to understand what they're saying... and I misinterpreted what you wrote; sorry about that.--LurganShmith (talk) 04:03, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Joe Williams (jazz singer)

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John Scofield discography

You need to add whether the Date column is Date Released or Date Recorded. Thanks.
Vmavanti (talk) 22:37, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

John Taylor

I'm a little puzzled about how you think the John Taylor discography looks better than before. I remember in the 1990s, when the internet became popular, many people wanted to learn graphic design, how to present information, and how to write web pages. There were principles that were followed. One didn't simply guess or "wing it". The word "infodump" was used often as a criticism. I don't hear that word anymore. Too bad.
Vmavanti (talk) 20:55, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Vmavanti, yesterdays are always better even if it was 14/18. I did not say that it "looks better than before" (nothingness is the ultimate). I tried do be "comprehensive", there had no ideal design in mind, at least not an aesthetical, as imho wiki is not an elaborated magazine. My motive was a searchable discography, and with the late John Taylor there is no more, so comprehensiveness could be goal. I usually don't like it either, when the info gets too much; I added all the musicians only because someone before me already started this way. As wiki entries for the albums are very limited, so it is kind of an condensed all-in-one substitute. Every other alternative to get this information at once is tricky and time-consuming (I did it after all).

Your critic is no critic. If you think, the disco has bad style, sorry, but your polemic is bad style. You just dump your 14/18-I-was-there, it was better=I am better on me, without to mention anything concrete you are actually puzzled about, any constructive suggestion, how you would have done it and share your wisdom. So your words are not meant for me, they just serve yourself. I did my best and invested some hours. Maybe I got taken away with it, maybe it is cool to have a not so beautiful but comprehensive and searchable John Taylor discography. So thank you for nothing.

But anyway, if you like to tell me, what is puzzling you exactly and what could improve the appearance of the disco, you are welcome. MenkinAlRire 20:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Vmavanti, yesterdays are always better even if it was 14/18" I have no idea what this sentence means.
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You might want to click on my name and read that page before working on any more jazz articles. Thanks.
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Just fyi, I have taken this on for Wikipedia:The Core Contest, so will be rewriting it, probably completely, over the next couple of months, so any changes made now are probably not going to be in the eventual version, Best Johnbod (talk) 16:59, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I was going to do this, too, but not for some trophy. So I let you do your thing, since someone has to do it. At the moment I am working on the Dontello-lemma on the German wiki in my sandbox. We may correspond further about our handlings of the topic and could help us out as needed. I just migrated his catalogue to his own lemma, integrating all the small work.

I will also add many of my own photographs that I am uploading from time to time.

So glad to hear from you, MenkinAlRire 17:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Nuking

i hope you realised that my "a bit of an over-reaction" was a tongue-in-cheek remark, not intended to be taken seriously. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@JMF I wasn't a 100% sure, but I certainly hoped so.) - Are you further engaged in the article? Please, feel free to comment on the thread by Johnbod and myself. I only get to read sporadically a paragraph or two, and there is so much to say. MenkinAlRire 17:21, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Just an interested bystander, I'm afraid. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:11, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

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