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Could you adress the problems instead of diverting them?

1. No secondary source in English state both are equal to in terms of officiality.
2. So far your "sources" only refer to names in Catalan not in English (nobody denies "País Valencià" is a common term in Catalan, but this does not mean it is an official term nor that means the "weigh" is the same in its English-language form).
3. Do you know the difference between official ("oficial") and informal ("informal"), right? It does not even reach "oficioso/oficiós" level? Where is the consensus? I only can see Jauma unilaterally and progresivelly changing the lead and the infobox since December 2015. Which problem do you have with "also informally known as Valencian Country"? Does it hurt the "will of the People" [sic]? Can JaumeR violate your imaginary "consensus" inserting audiovisual political propaganda but I can not fix the lead because I am supposedly "edit warring"?--Asqueladd (talk) 13:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

1. Wikipedia doesn't just use official names, we can use alternative and consensus names
2. there are sources in Spanish, Valencian and possibly also in English
3. Valencian Country is not an informal name, why would an informal name appear in the Statute of Autonomy? Masclet~enwiki (talk) 13:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

1. Yeah I know, but I am suggesting to differentiate the nature of both terms.
2. bring them in (in english), and don't cherry pick them. I am not by any means prohibiting the mention of Valencian Country in the lead, by the way. I am denouncing the blatantly ridiculous wording and annotations (primary sources).
3. Valencian Country is an informal name as much as for example "Estado Español" is an informal name (and it is mentioned in the very same Spanish Constitution, ohhhh). Quoting a paragraph of the Spanish Constitution to claim "Spanish State" is not an informal name is ridiculous and a bad use of primary sources. Quoting a paragraph of the Statut to claim "País Valenciá" is in equal terms to "Comunitat Valenciana" is ridiculous and a bad use of primary sources.--Asqueladd (talk) 14:01, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't agree mate, it's not an informal name. By saying that you're insulting us. Moreover 4 Valencianist users agreed to use this term in the lede, so if you have a problem you should propose changes rather than imposing us your view Masclet~enwiki (talk) 14:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

1. Sorry to hurt your feelings, but the purpose of Wikipedia is not make "Valencianists" [sic] feel better or worse. By the way, the translation of the official term and the use comparison in English language (see here) show a symmetrical wording of both names is not adequate..--Asqueladd (talk) 14:13, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

that doesn't matter, we agreed to use it. If you don't agree with it just make a new proposal at the talk page. Just bear in mind 4 of us have already accepted the term Valencian Country. Masclet~enwiki (talk)

1. I am proposing changes (see edit edit summaries and comments above). Fact is apparently a consensus of 4 "valencianists" [sic] want to disregard both the nature of the two terms and the English usage of them to impose their view in the lead.--Asqueladd (talk) 14:15, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Your statement is not true, we are not violating any rules Masclet~enwiki (talk)

Let's see if we can agree on this:

1. Comunitat Valenciana is the sole official name of the region.
2. "País Valencià" is not official terminology in catalan nor "País Valenciano"/Comunidad Valenciana in Spanish. A punctual mention in the Statut is unconsequential.
3. Its translation "Valencian Country" (which exists in English) is not very used in english at all in comparison to "Valencian Community" (the translation of the official term), either (see see here).
4. It frequently goes by País Valencià in Catalan language usage, at the least in the same order of magnitude than Comunitat Valenciana.
5. The term exists also in Spanish but it is not particularly used.

Do you disagree with some of the points above? Now based on those points I will procede later to propose the changes.--Asqueladd (talk) 14:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

1. I don't agree, it's a country/nationality (within Spain)
2. Yes it is
3. thats the most common translation
4. no you're wrong
5. it is used in Spanish as much as in Catalan (see Socialist Party of the Valencian Country) Masclet~enwiki (talk)

You are spuriously blocking talk. Are you aware of what usage means? --Asqueladd (talk) 14:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but the parties in the Valencian government use Valencian Country and we have a consensus. Masclet~enwiki (talk) 14:46, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

So what? Non sequitur. It's not like the later is crucial for formulating any changes I was thinking about (which were not going to explicitly feature terms of comparison). However, in order to determine which term is more common in a particular language people deal with the lexicographical corpus, not with preference in the naming of political parties of the region.--Asqueladd (talk) 15:04, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh yeah it is, coz we, the Valencians, use País Valencia (Valencian Country) very frequently as you can see in our wiki and many sources. Does this explain why our government uses it?  ;) Masclet~enwiki (talk) 15:10, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

1. I will rephrase this one because the point apparently went over your head: "Comunitat Valenciana is the sole official name of the whatever floats your boat" (country, region, autonomous community, pink unicorn, nationality, nation, that was not the point)".
2. Bring secondary sources with a context that claim Comunidad Valenciana, País Valenciano or País Valencià are currently official names of the "whatever floats your boat thing".
3. I don't think so. PROOF).
4. Why do you disagree? do you think País Valencia is less used than Comunitat Valenciana in Catalan language , you did not care to read me at all, or your english comprehension is 'nil?).
5. No. But the point what not that one. PROOF

--Asqueladd (talk) 15:15, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I will rephrase my words too:

1. Wikipedia doesn't exclude alternative names or common names
2. There is a consensus to display Valencian Country in the lede
3. i disagree because you're not right, there is a consensus and because you're trying to insult the Valencians by calling us a region (right at the beginning of our conversation) Masclet~enwiki (talk) 15:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

1. I am not excluding the mention of alternative names either. I am questioning "how" and "where".
2. I am not disputing the mention of "Valencian Country" in the lead (I am questioning "how").
3. Don't play the victim game.

--Asqueladd (talk) 15:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

WP:ANI

Please don't do this and be wp:civil even if you think the other doesn't deserve it. WP:NPA Thank you Jim1138 (talk) 02:04, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

@Jim1138: I won't use this type of comments anymore, thanks for your advice Masclet~enwiki (talk) 02:11, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

yea, stuff like that often generates comments on one's talk page like this ;o) Jim1138 (talk) 02:16, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

February 2016

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Catalonia. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to lose editing privileges. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Elizium23 (talk) 04:51, 2 February 2016 (UTC)