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Proposed deletion of Firebug (Dinghy)

The article Firebug (Dinghy) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Overly promotional (content problem) but also no real notability that I see (topic problem).

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Firebug (Dinghy)

The above entry has been proposed for deletion. It is suggested that it is too promotional and of marginal relevance.

I would greatly appreciate assistance in meeting the objections raised.

I believe the subject is relevant because:

1. The design is the work of a highly significant boat designer. John Spencer (boat designer)
2. Over 1,000 of these boats have been built as part of a continuing programme.
3. Examples of the Firebug have been built in over 30 countries, often in places where resources for recreation are limited.
4. The class has been reported in multiple boating magazines. Watercraft (Highly respected UK publication), Wooden Boat (High circulation USA publication), Afloat (Australia and New Zealand) and Australian Amateur Boat Builder.
5. The large scale construction of boats at home was the foundation of mass dinghy sailing post World War 2. This activity has been greatly reduced with the availability of fiberglass craft, but the Firebug represents a significant number of people and community groups reverting to the earlier model.

Surely the above makes the Firebug relevant? - I make the comparison with the Jacksnipe dinghy, only about 30 built more than 40 years ago. Jacksnipe - No problem with that page!

Promotional?

All the statements in the page are factual.

Objectivity

I built and still sail a Firebug, clearly I support the case for the promotion of this class/activity. To witness a youth offered a job just on the strength of their demonstration of commitment made by building his own boat, is very impressive. Trouble is, who will speak for any such a group, if not one of their own?

On the other hand, I am a qualified boat builder, I have sailed for almost 60 years and owned many different (all larger) craft. So I am better placed to comment on the craft than a relative sailing/boat building novice.

MRossV (talk) 22:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia content should be a summary of what reliable third-party sources have reported about the subject, and coverage in such sources is how Wikipedia measures notability. So of your above points, only no. 4 is relevant to the question of notability. As it stands, it's entirely unclear which parts of the article's content are based on the lone third-party source mentioned in the article, and the informaation about the source is itself rather vague. The author, title, and page numbers of the Watercraft Magazine article would help. Of course it would also help if that article were cited for facts about the Firebug.

Regarding the promotion problems, I'd say that "A key to the success of the Firebug" is the most obviously inappropriate phrase. How was that success measured? Surely not by the number built, which is miniscule compared to many similar designs. Huon (talk) 23:20, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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Robert McClenon (talk) 08:51, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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