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undeletion

No one has made a case for urgency, I'm just trying to let a full AfD run for something that doesn't fall into the CSD. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Archimedes Plutonium

Hi. I noticed your comment on the Archimedes Plutonium talk page. It was pretty well spot-on. It may be helpful if you left something similar at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_June_1. Thanks. FNMF 22:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm....

Hi Lar - long time no see. I hope Wikipedia is treating you well. I'd like to learn how to use IRC. What's a good place to start? --HappyCamper 23:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

hmm... what do you know already? IRC is a good overview of the technology and WP:IRC a good overview of how it is used here. You need an IRC client. I am on wintel and like FireFox so I use ChatZilla which plugs into Firefox but there are loads. Hope that helps, if not, ask again... ++Lar: t/c 00:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

stop stalking mobbing etc

thank you Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, you can be of help:

1. Could you host a list of annotated admin actions for me?

   >>No. There is a log you can reference if there is a specific action you want to bring to AN/I for discussion.

   >>>>a log does not allow annotations

2. could you tell me why I am on 1RR per week?

   >>Because you have a history of contentious editing and you do not fix messes that you make when consensus is that you should not have done what you did

   >>>>oh, can you tell me in more detail what constitutes this history? Which edits belong to it etc. When did they occur? Which policies were violated? How do you define mess? Who are the memebers of the consensus?

3. could you help to stop Golbez from spreading false words (lies?) about me?

   >>Yes. I can help you stop any potential lies, all you have to do is take this advice... think about what Golbez said and internalise it.

   >>>>How does this stop Golbez' lies?

4. could you generate a listing of blocks I received and annotate this list, starting by block number one saying I violated 3RR and annotate that this was not so, but the admin made an error?

   >>No, I am not going to do that for you. There was a reason for the ArbCom ban on you keeping lists of grievances. You need to internalise why that is, and how to proceed.

   >>>>Which reason can the ArbCom have to hide the truth about admin actions?

It seems, I personally are not allowed to produce any such listing by anti-transparency corruption-fueling ArbCom. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 13:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

(annotated answers above with ">>" ... ) My offer of help was to help you get beyond the past and move on, not to help you continue the bad habits that got you into your current situation. Turn over a new leaf and start afresh... edit civilly, collegially, and constructively, and things will go much better in the future. ++Lar: t/c 21:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

do you know the arrogant US americans that run throught the world and offer their help? "Oh I can help you bombing Iraq! You don't want my help? Hear my words and internalise them. If damage has been done to Iraq there must have been a reason. No, you are not allowed to report damage." Tobias Conradi (Talk) 12:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Tobias, I am asking you politely: please adopt a more civil tone towards others. You are not helping yourself making posts like this. Valentinian ^{T / C} 12:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Who was talking with you??? Stop the censorship!!! Stop admin right abuses!!! Stop the lies!!! The uncivil are the lie-supporters. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 16:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, Lar, but I don't take kindly to editors abusing admins, so per the first bullet point in the ArbCom ruling, I've blocked Tobias Conradi for one hour. Hope you don't mind me watching your back. AKRadecki 16:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. You're no doubt now on Tobias's list of abusive admins though. Tobias: Really, this course will lead you in the wrong direction... Please, I beg of you, reconsider, put the past behind you, and work constructively and collegially with others. I really do want to help, and want to see you stay but if you won't take advice, I just don't see how this will turn out well. ++Lar: t/c 10:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

My commons RFA

Clearly my naive indiscretion has ruined my RFA there. But I would like to ask a hypothetical question, if that incident didn't happen, would my experience on commons enough for adminship? Also how long do I have to wait so I can regain the trust of the community to reapply? Regards. Wooyi^{Talk to me?} 21:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

As to time... I've seen people get adminned a month after flaming out, and I've seen people repeatedly fail. The key question is, can we trust you to do the right thing? It's not a strict matter of time, it's a matter of your contributions and approach. (that incident is not the only thing that gives me pause in what I have seen you do on en:wp... I have to confess that at this time I have seen enough troubling things in your questions and approaches that I'm not yet convinced. Others may differ though). Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 05:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Userfication question

Hey Lar, another question for you. While continuing to make myself familiar with various processes, I was perusing the [[ Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard|COI Noticeboard]], and I'd like to seek you advice. What do you think about the appropriateness of userfying a vanity/COI autobiographical article when notability is clearly asserted? I've read the various guidelines, and they really don't specifically address this situation. Two examples that I ran across that led me to wonder this were Don Fernando and Richard Parnell Habersham. Thoughts, o coacheth one? AKRadecki 04:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

userification is a tool to be used if an article doesn't belong in main space but you believe there is a chance that with editing, it could. We're not MySpace so pure vanity stuff shouldn't be encouraged. That said, I tend to grant userification requests readily as long as the material is not attacking, libelous, or profane, or running afoul of WP:BLP. If in so doing it gets deleted again by some other admin, so be it. I do not, as a rule, userify things without the user asking me to do so first. Does that help? If not, ask again. See also {{User_recovery}}... that text is what is on my userpage. ++Lar: t/c 05:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! AKRadecki 14:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki Links

Hi Lar -- was just reading the stuff about the new interwiki inclusion policy on meta. Looks like there hasn't been any comments about the policy for a few weeks. I just added some -- was concerned that the policy would exclude a lot of existing interwiki sites. Wanted to draw your attention to my comments (not sure how often you check the page) -- has this policy already been decided or it still work in progress?

See: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map#Proposed_Wording

Parkerconrad 04:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Answered there. ++Lar: t/c 10:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

RfC on User:Mike18xx

Hi Lar. As you have participated at the ANI discussion regarding the behaviour of the abovementioned user, i just wanted to let you know that I opened an RfC on themselves in response to the concerns raised during the discussion at the ANI and their avoidance to solve the issue. The RfC is located here. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 10:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The Beatles discography and album covers

There is a red hot discussion on Talk:The Beatles discography which seems to be developing into a war among editors and administrators, even between administrators over what constitutes fair use of album covers in discography articles with The Beatles discography as a test case. What are your thoughts? You can add those thoughts in the appropriate talk pages. Steelbeard1 19:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day, Lar, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!

Eddie 14:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XV (May 2007)

The May 2007 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.

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USRD Newsletter - Issue 9

Hello, Lar. A new issue of the newsletter is available to read here. --VshBot (t • c) 16:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:RobotAteMe TheyAteThemselves albumCover.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:RobotAteMe TheyAteThemselves albumCover.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BetacommandBot 08:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Meta

Hi, you state on your user page:

• I am also an administrator on Meta, the wiki for coordination of Wikimedia projects..

I think I know that, but for the sake of inhuman bureaucracy, could you please prove it with a link on your user page to your meta account? :D Thanks! --Aphaia 05:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

It's already there... my meta:User:Lar/WikiMatrix, which is linked to, serves that purpose for all my IDs... however I've revalidated it. See [1] ++Lar: t/c 05:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Strange image issue

Hi Lar, if you get this while you're on Wikibreak...here's a strange one: a user is trying to circumvent the MOS thumbnail guidelines by uploading images with a license restriction which says "not less than 250 pixel" (see this example: Image:PZL-MD12F PICT0048.JPG). It seems to me that this violates the Commons licensing rules about which state that the image must be able to be used for any use, including derivative works...and derivative works, by definition, would include smaller sized copies. Thus, this use seems to restrict such works and violate policy. I'm not as familiar with things over at commons, as I don't spend much time there, other than uploading. What's the process over there for this? For here, I'm going to temporarily remove the image as non-free. AKRadecki^Speaketh 13:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you…

Could I draw your attention to this and this? I'm getting quite bored now at certain people's attitude towards this endeavour, and somewhat pissed off at having to defend it against perennial attempts to kibosh it. Maybe you could add your voice to the discussion? TIA HAND —Phil | Talk 11:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)