User talk:Kierzek/Archive 4

Stefanie Rabatsch

There is quite a lot of sources on Stefanine, including Kershaw, Toland, Linge and Kubizek. The Wikipedia article on Stefanie is rather horribly written and doesn't have much meat on it. I will begin actively editing again very soon and my first job will be to complete the GA-expansion of Hitler's adjutants, but when that's done, do you want to start a GA-expansion of Stefanie with me? It seems to me that Stefanie is a somewhat unknown topic when it comes to Hitler; I, for instance, didn't know about her until years after I began reading about World War II and Hitler, so I think it could benefit hugely from some improvements. Should also be more interesting than writing about adjutants. What ya say? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:37, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't have time right now. "Time is our enemy." Thanks for thinking of me though; why don't you give it a go. I will try to look in on it later. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 21:06, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Time seems to indeed and always be the enemy. But yea, I'll give it a go regardless. You can always check on it later when u find the time. Cheers Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 01:37, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good. Kierzek (talk) 16:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

BTW-it should be noted that Kershaw considers the story of Stefanie exaggerated in relation to the young Hitler. Kierzek (talk) 13:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I saw Kershaw comments on Stefanie's and that he believes the story about her and Hitler to exaggerated, but, having read The Young Hitler I knew more than three times from start to finish, I don't think Kubizek would have devoted an entire chapter to the story if it was no more then a pubby love. I also consider someone who lived with Hitler for several years during the romance to be more reliable than an historian—regardless of which historian and with no disrespect to Kershaw. But, when I improve and expand the article, I will also expand Kershaw's and other historians POV on the subject, if there any more. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

You say you like a good crisis?

Hi. I saw some of a movie on Judith Exner recently, but Wikipedia doesn't have a page on it. And you may have an interest, I'm trying to get the Cuban Missile Crisis capitalized again, on the Cuban missile crisis talk page, just to stop JFK from rolling in his grave (he may have Exner in there). Randy Kryn 13:44 14 January, 2015 (UTC)

I don't believe every fictionalised TV movie needs an article entry. As to your second query, I do agree with you as the CMC event; it is a proper noun. I will put in my 2 cents on the talk page therein. Kierzek (talk) 14:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Vorbunker

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Vorbunker you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 00:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I look forward to your comments. Note: I am going out of town early Saturday morning, but will be back Monday afternoon. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 02:39, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I will be checking in on a lap top. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 12:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I am back home. Kierzek (talk) 01:52, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Vorbunker

The article Vorbunker you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Vorbunker for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 07:41, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I will get to them. Thanks, Kierzek (talk) 12:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Vorbunker

The article Vorbunker you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Vorbunker for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 06:41, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Kierzek (talk) 13:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations! good work. -- Diannaa (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Diannaa. Kierzek (talk) 16:07, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Ludwig Hahn

Hi, I just came across Ludwig Hahn due to his relationship (brother in law) with Johannes Steinhoff. Are you familiar with his (Hahn) biography? Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 20:06, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

No, not really. I recall his man was an SS member and had a law degree (the SS attracted quite a few with that degree of education to their ranks, including: Walter Schellenberg, and Otto Ohlendorf) and I know he commanded an Einsatzgruppe. Nothing, I am sure you don't already know. Kierzek (talk) 14:00, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for the heads up on the March talk page. It probably won't be moved unless a large consensus forms, to more such a page needs overwhelming support (or at least I'd think so). I've never read the page, so finding a glaring mistake in the lead was well worth the trip over there. I've played with the Jackie Kennedy template, could you take a look at it to see what else could be done. Wondering if Caroline's son (can't reacall is name) will be the next generation to run for office. A grandson of a president will do well in today's U.S. political climate, where relatives of presidents are all the rage (within the two opposite meanings of the word). Randy Kryn 3:52 31 January, 2015 (UTC)

I will look at it this weekend. Kierzek (talk) 04:50, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

I could not find a "Jackie" Kennedy template and therefore assume you mean the Jack Kennedy one; I reviewed it and it looks okay to me at this point. Kierzek (talk) 20:00, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Sexuality of Adolf Hitler

The article passed without much more work. Excellent job. :) Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 00:28, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing it. Kierzek (talk) 00:42, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Are you mad? :-) -OberRanks (talk) 14:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Aren't we all? Kierzek (talk) 14:21, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I just want to be made head of the Red Cross! -OberRanks (talk) 20:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Just remember not to play with hand grenades at the dinner table. Kierzek (talk) 21:34, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Ciano

It's common knowledge that the Ciano diaries are fake, right? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 14:07, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Well its debatable; I recall that in years past some historians used them for citing in their works, but there are some who content that they were added to and "spiced up" for propaganda reasons. Unlike the so-called "Hitler Diaries", I don't recall them being declared totally fake. I am going from memory here and I am sure you can find further research on the subject elsewhere for details. Kierzek (talk) 14:21, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, I know that Ciano writes in December 1940, "The mess we're in now is due to Erwin Rommel. If it wasn't for Rommel we wouldn't be in this mess" ... Rommel wasn't sent to North Africa until two months later, February 1941! So there's the first peace of evidence the diaries are fake, or have been altered, like you said for possible propaganda reasons. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that is a good example; his wife smuggled the diaries out and into Switzerland and I recall they ended up in the hands of the OSS and British, as well. Kierzek (talk) 15:19, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I think I'll write a notification or review for The Bugle to warn other users not to use it as a RS. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 17:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

For a full picture

For a fuller picture see:

• Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Edit warring, personal attacks and hounding by former EEML member
• User talk:YMB29#Extension of block to one month (now indefinite)

-- PBS (talk) 16:25, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

PBS-thanks for the links; your time and all the other editors in the matter. The decision was the correct one. Kierzek (talk) 16:47, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

With ref to this edit could you please put in bold the sentence that starts "If it is decided..." so that an admin who is asked to can easily see when skimming the opinions that you to are in favour of a TB. -- PBS (talk) 01:25, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Done. Kierzek (talk) 02:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Lyndon Johnson Article

Hi - I added a new message for you on the Talk: Lyndon B. Johnson page. Thanks for the welcome to Wikipedia! Innovatinghistory (talk) 16:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I wrote a reply therein. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Hans Hermann Junge

Is "aide-de-camp" some sort of fancy or academic term for adjutant? Should he have a place in Adolf Hitler's adjutants? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:55, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, officially: An "aide-de-camp" (assistant in the field) is a personal assistant or secretary to a person of high rank, usually a senior military or government officer, or a member of a Royal Family, or a head of state, such as Hitler; typically the foremost personal aide. An adjutant, is the senior administrator of a military unit. In some armies, including most English-speaking ones, it is an officer who assists a more senior officer; in Hitler's case, he was head of the armed forces. To make it easy, Junge falls into the valet cat for Hitler; like Krause and Linge; that is why he is with them under the "See also" section of the "Adolf Hitler's adjutants" article. Kierzek (talk) 16:23, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Hans Bauer

I will check. Are you interested in a very specific aspect of his life? MisterBee1966 (talk) 20:10, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

His World War II record and more detail as to how he won the Knight's Cross. Kierzek (talk) 20:11, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, its looking better now; more detail. Kierzek (talk) 22:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I added everything I found so far. MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Dallmann

Sorry, I don't have any additional info on him. MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay. No problem. Kierzek (talk) 21:50, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Individual Hundertschaften Locations

Bending the rules a bit (this is in my book), but something interesting to get your opinion about. So, the guys with the numbered Death's Head patches were part of the Concentration Camp guard companies. They were organized first into about twenty five companies spread out across five guard battalions and eventually reorganized five regiments - all separate both administratively and operationally from the actual camp staffs (I've always found that a bit strange). Photographs have the SS guards wearing numbers as high as 25. Anyway...the locations of the Guard Regiment headquarters are pretty well documented. However, I have found no information anywhere as to individual concentration camp guard companies (known as the Hundertschafter) like where they were individually stationed, lists of personnel, etc. Have you ever seen any material on this? Also, you probably know this already, but in 1942 when the camps were folded into the WVHA the guard companies became part of the internal camp staff and the numbers on the Death's Head were done away with. Even so, you see some guys wearing numbered death head patches as late as 1944. Wonder why... Thank you! -OberRanks (talk) 14:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I will get back to you but cannot look into it until tomorrow night. Kierzek (talk) 23:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

No sooner had I posted this, then I found a document listing an index of these guard companies, although still no real info on the actual locations of individual company garrisons or names of company officers with a few exceptions (Hans Hüttig was mentioned). A highly unresearched area. Several books form the 1970s and 80s also spoke of the numbered Death's Head patches as being company numbers of the Totenkopf Division - which is completely false. The book work on this is just another area where a rare and unknown corner of the SS will be discussed. -OberRanks (talk) 15:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, as you know the Hundertschafter originally meant 100 man group, roughly speaking, but the group units were later expanded in size. There is not much detail out there on their location, besides the logical answer of the camps where they stationed; such as, 22nd Hundertschaft (hundred-man-unit) of the SS at Mauthausen concentration camp. I did read at Dachau Konzentrationslager for example, each Hundertschaft was made up of 3 platoons, led by a SS-Hauptsturmführer. The only other point of interest I found was a list of Totenkopf-Standarten (T-S) with manpower strengths on page 236 of the book: McNab, Chris (2009). The SS: 1923–1945. Amber Books Ltd. ISBN 978-1-906626-49-5. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help) as follows:

• SS-T-S 1 Oberbayern: 3,335 (April 1938)
• SS-T-S 2 Brandenburg: 2,989 (May 1938)
• SS-T-S 3 Thüringen: 2,220 (June 1938)
• SS-T-S 4 Ostmark: 2,925 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 5 Dietrich Eckhart: 1,878 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 6: 2,956 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 7: 2,771 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 8: 2,799 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 9: 2,250 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 10: 2,753 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 11: 3,005 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 12: 2,650 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 13: 2,053 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 14: 2,619 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 15: 1,679 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S 16: 2,346 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S Kirkenes: 1,014 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S Prag: 951 (July 1940)
• SS-T-S Rekreuten-Standarte: unknown.

Kierzek (talk) 03:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that's about the same as what I have. Thanks for verifying! -OberRanks (talk) 14:15, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Adjutants

You sure you wanna include that picture of Darges? It's ..... very small compared to the others. On a more serious note, I'm going to nominate the article for GA-status. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Its the one from his article and the only one I know of; if you find a better one that can be used, then by all means, upload it. Kierzek (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

The GA-review already began! That was fast! MisterBee1966 has noted the article is actually more of a list than an article. I have therefore changed the name of the article to "List of Adolf Hitler's adjutants". Will work to see it become a featured list. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:47, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I agree it is more of a list than an article and the title change is okay with me. Kierzek (talk) 15:09, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

The FLC-page is open. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Comments have been made and I have written some responses. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I have added a whole section for Max Wünsche and added good, reliable sources, but would appreciate some ce's on his section like you did for all the other ones previously. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Do you see any problems with this website as source citing? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the site or the people involved with it; I don't know what you want to use it to cite or what information from the website you wish to consider using for a cite. So I don't have all the facts to consider. In general, I would say that established RS sources by historians is best. For example, I know of two historians who are experts on medals/awards of the Third Reich and besides having written books on the subject, they have websites on the subject. Frankly, just briefly looking at the linked site you list, I would try Google books, for example, as an alternative. Kierzek (talk) 02:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I will do my best to find an alternative source. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:15, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

It's not of any significant importance, but should Albrecht be listed under navy adjutants with Puttkamer since he was chosen for that role because of his qualifications, and somewhat chosen as an NSKK adjutant simply because Hitler pitied with him after his dismissal by Raeder? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 22:59, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I already thought about that and believe it is best to leave him under NSKK as he was an "adjutant" for a longer period of time in that uniform (so to speak) and was an "adjutant" for the second subsequent time (till his apparent death) as part of that Nazi Party unit, the NSKK. Kierzek (talk) 00:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:23, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

The pervious picture of Darges with Hitler at the Berghof was not fair-use, so it has been removed. I was able to find another, colorized photo of him which I have now uploaded to Wikipedia under the fair-use criteria. The last we need to do, is crop the watermarks and frame of the images who contain them. Once that is done, we can call on the people who commented on the FLC-page to throw in a support or oppose. I have already kindly asked two people to crop them for me, however in vain. Do you know anyone? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

No, I don't know anyone else, whom you have not asked. The list is shaping up nicely, and I do believe Heinrich Borgmann should be added, as well. Kierzek (talk) 16:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Heinrich Borgmann, I managed to find a picture of him also. This one is where Hitler is visiting him in hospital. I have begun the expansion (or creation more likely) of his section. I'm counting on your ce's along the way. Peace, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I've done my best. I was unable to find a single source regarding his youth so I was forced to skip that part. With that being said, his World War II record (which is pretty much the most relevant) is okay covered, and his section is about the same length as all the others. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:49, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Good. Ce is done; I will hunt around for some more cites to add. Kierzek (talk) 01:27, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

It's five in the morning in my end of the world, so ima' go to sleep now, but will also do my best to improve his section and the others in need tomorrow. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 03:27, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

P. S. Burton has thrown in an oppose vote, citing enormous errors in the source section. He made a very long list of source problems on the talk page; I have made some quick responses and promised to fix some things, and would appreciate your assistance. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 02:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I saw that. I will help when I have time and where I can with cites. I would suggest you use google books search preview of RS works for some assistance in the citing source matters. Kierzek (talk) 14:26, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should withdraw the FL-nomination and then spend more time on the article, paying attention to the comments made on the nomination page, and then re-nominate it; I think with all the new material we've added since we nominated the article/list that it would be best. What ya reckon? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:12, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

It may be best, but I leave it up to you. I don't have a lot of time to work on it at present, unfortunately. Kierzek (talk) 12:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I've asked Ian Rose to close the FL-nomination. In a few days, or maybe weeks, I will go back to improving it. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:20, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

List of Adolf Hitler's adjutants is now ...

List of Adolf Hitler's personal staff! Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 19:45, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

That wiped out a lot of work. Kierzek (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, after it was decided to be a list, I thought it would be best to actually make it a list, instead of a half-article, half-list. However, the list wasn't very long and so, per a suggestion on the FL-candidate page, I listed his valets, secretaries and chauffeurs as well. Do you think this was a mistake? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:22, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I cannot say it is better, but given no other editor has voiced anything as to the matter, I will not object. With that said, it should either be alphabetical all the way through or separated out in sections like before, as far as, Party, Wehrmacht, Army, Navy, Air Force and NSKK, in my opinion and then alphabetical. You have part alphabetical and part not; also Wolf served the longest of the secretaries, starting as a typist for Hitler in 1929. I will fix the year part now. Kierzek (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

All notes are now sourced too. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Looking much better, but: Christa Schroeder should be first and Emil Maurice, as well in their sections per alpha order. Kierzek (talk) 15:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Apparently, I can't remember the alphabet even when counting it out loudly to myself several times!!! Anyway, Schroeder and Maurice has been fixed. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Sehr gut. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 16:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I think we can re-nominate the now massively changed list for FL-status. Don't you agree? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, although I would recommend you ask someone like Calvin999, who does a lot of lists to look it over one more time first. Kierzek (talk) 14:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Good call, will do so sofort. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:37, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Stefanie

Even though WP:GA does not list any length requirements, would you say that her article is simply too short? I know Toland also wrote some sentences regarding her, but much of that can also be found in Kubizek, and one can only write the information which is known about her life. What's your opinion on this? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

The main problem is the fact it relies on one source overall and much of what is said could be rated to be speculation/exaggeration (per Kershaw). A peer review or asking other opinions on the Military history page may be in order. Kierzek (talk) 01:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I've opened the peer the review for more ideas on expanding and improving the article for GA-status. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:23, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I've included two more academic sources to the article. I've also added a very important quite from Stefanie regarding Hitler's anonymous love letter and also expanded the article overall. I'm sure that with the good points which will most likely be made in the peer review, the article can reach GA-status. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 12:30, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Albrecht's wife

Does "having a bad reputation" directly translate to being a prostitute when it comes to women or at least women from that era? In any case, I would suggest adding a link to prostitution in the sentence to ensure clarity. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 20:58, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

No; the original book states: a woman "with a past". Joachimsthaler, p. 289. Kierzek (talk) 01:26, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 09:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Operation Barbarossa

As you may or may not have noticed, I've spend the last two days significantly improving the Barbarossa article in my sandbox with the purpose of getting it to GA-status. I left a looooong notification message on the talk page, and would appreciate your take on it all when you have the time. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 02:37, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I've somehow orchestrated yet another cite error on 1940 Field Marshal Ceremony, this time in the footnotes section. I can't figure it out; please take a look. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:56, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Someone else took care of it, so no worries. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not have time to get to it; glad someone else did. Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Btw, I've nominated Barbarossa for GA-status and a few editors has jumped in with some copy edits and personal advice; if you also want to look at it and do some ce's there's still time. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:29, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Stefanie

Normally, or at least on every single biography article I've seen on Wikipedia, you start off by wring "<name> is/was a <nationality> known for <something>", but Stefanie's article starts off "<name> is/was a <religion> known for <something>". Generally, I would oppose this, but since she is worthy of an article on Wikipedia solely because Hitler was in love with, I'd say it's of high importance to included in the lede that she was Jewish; by replacing "Jewish" with "Austrian" a person reading the lede might wonder why Hitler's obsession with her is so much significant that "all" the others. Don't you agree? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:18, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

It reads okay to me. Kierzek (talk) 20:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Hitler's 50th birthday reviewer has made his review and placed the article on hold. I've responded to all his comments, some of which I largely disagree on; feel free to jump in with your take. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:09, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar for You!

		The Good Article Barnstar
		For your contributions to bring Adolf Hitler's 50th birthday to Good Article status. You deserve this just as much as I do. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 22:35, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, but I must say for this article I did not do that much; it was your baby. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 12:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Stefanie

Peer review was going nowhere, so I've closed it and nominated the article for GA-status. I'm sure the reviewer will put it on hold with comments for improvements. Stay tuned. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Kierzek (talk) 12:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

It is still uncomfortable to me with the heavy reliance on Kubizek. If you can confirm the same info through WP:RS historian sources, then that will help. Kierzek (talk) 14:30, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Kubuzek's memoirs is obviously not a "third party" source (more like second party), but the book is, nevertheless, still accepted as a A-Okay source in analyzing Hitler's youth, at least by Roper, Hamann and Kershaw to name some by name. Also, I think the article looks better if it's, to a certain extent, written from Kubizek's point of view, as it's so much more compressive, detailed and ... well, interesting! Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:45, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

It is still a memoir and I know that Kershaw believes it should be read with caution. Kierzek (talk) 14:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Schaub

I expanded and improved his article in preparation of GA-nomination. Feel like doing some copy edits? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:15, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Done, for now. Kierzek (talk) 01:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks man. As the article was very short to begin with I deliberately re-wrote the article in a ... well, let's say detailed way to make it longer. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Hitler's bodyguards

Well, it is (was) Friday night, so I'll finish the article in my sandbox tomorrow; feeling waaay to wasted to do anything right now, but collapsing on my bed! However, I have to get up early for work tomorrow, so I'll probably finish it before that, so I'll be sure to ping when I'm done. I'm thinking you could do the ce's and whatnot in my sandbox, and then after that I convert the whole thing into an actual article. Peace, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 01:33, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I have a busy weekend and wont have time to review the new article in real detail till probably, Monday. I did some detail and ce work as you will see; you can add the cites from the main articles or I can do it later. Kierzek (talk) 16:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I think I'm going to write the whole thing first, and then find the cites, one way or another. As of right now, I've included all the Nazi-bodyguard units I know about. I'm thinking about including the Orpo and Gestapo as well. Cheers for your work and ce. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 17:16, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay; yes the Orpo and Gestapo played their part as did the Führer Begleit Brigade of the German Army. Kierzek (talk) 17:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Führer Begleit Brigade is the English decided-translation of Führer Begleitbattalion and is included. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 17:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

True as to the FBB, the section just needs more information added. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 03:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Allright, I'm up and I've got breakfast! Will now begin the final improvements and expansion. To avoid edit conflicts, I think it would be best if you did your ce's after I've finished. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:28, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I've written everything I can. Please take a look and do some ce's. Cheers in advance, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Done for now, will look at it again, later. Kierzek (talk) 13:57, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

No rush. Also, I've (as you've most likely noticed) expanded the lede, added cites to everything and included another RSD photo. I believe the article is good for creation when your last touches to the article has been made. The only thing we need to do after that, is to decide on a title. Which one of these do you like:

• #1 Adolf Hitler's bodyguard
• #2 Adolf Hitler's security and bodyguard
• #3 Structure of Adolf Hitler's bodyguard
• #4 Security and bodyguard structure of Adolf Hitler
• #5 Adolf Hitler's bodyguard and security structure
• #6 Adolf Hitler's bodyguard and security
• #7 Bodyguard and security of Adolf Hitler
• #8 Bodyguard and security organizations of Adolf Hitler

Personally, I like #4 and #8, but would be okay with some other suggestive title. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and created the article under the simply name Adolf Hitler's bodyguard as it can always be moved to another title. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I've also nominated it for GA-status. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

The title is okay. I was glad to help form it up; it is a subject of interest for me; still needs a little work. Some may want to treat it as a list, akin to what happen with "List of Adolf Hitler's personal staff"; which as you know started as an article. Kierzek (talk) 02:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I'd actually did strike me as a list, but felt that the other sections (which personal staff one did not have) made an article. I see you did some ce's and changes, thanks a bunch for that. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:42, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

No, after a second look at the article, I truly considered it to be an article. Adjutants was a list as it only listed adjutants, but this has so much more info on Hitler's security routines, structure and incidents. I'm confident the GA-reviewer will think so too. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:16, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

New sandbox project :)

I'm the process of making a list of the people who were killed or injured in the 20 July plot. I've so far written the list and lede, but before proceeding with finding sources I would appreciate some copy edits. Much appreciated. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:28, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

No time right now, but maybe later. Kierzek (talk) 12:43, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Mediation Barnstar
	Awarded for exemplary editing performance in a protracted and heated debate revolving around the "Battle of Berlin" article. GeneralizationsAreBad (talk) 00:45, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you; I must say that I was one editor of several who were working towards a solution of the situation. Kierzek (talk) 12:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Hitler's personal staff

I'm a subscriber to a local history magazine and obviously a lot of the content is associated with World War II. A few minutes ago, I came agro a section with the title "Hitler's food taster suffered for every bite". it was about Margot Wölk, who, according to the magazine, was more or less kidnapped by SS officers in Berlin and forced to relocate to Gross-Partsch, just three kilometers away from the Wolf's Lair. Do you think she should be included in the list of Hitler's personal staff as his food taster? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:04, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I know of her and you can add her in. Kierzek (talk) 15:19, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

She is added, and I included the Spiegel source you added to her main article a few moments ago as well. Good job. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:40, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

The Spiegel source was already there. Kierzek (talk) 16:15, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I changed my opinion. I removed the entry as she was not really part of his staff but only a functionary used by the SS for a certain task; further, all the others used for the same task are unknown. Kierzek (talk) 11:33, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

List of people killed or wounded in the 20 July plot

List is now created. Going to nominate it for FL-status; please take a look and do some ce's when you have the time. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:17, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have time right now, I would recommend you see if Calvin999 can look it over for you. Kierzek (talk) 23:01, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I can look over it. I've been really lapse in the past two weeks because I've been really ill.  — ₳aron 10:56, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry you have been ill lately, thanks for looking the list over, Calvin999. Kierzek (talk) 11:54, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so far so good; Anotherclown has thrown in a support vote at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Adolf Hitler's personal staff/archive2 ... HUZZA! Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:39, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

I finally had a chance to look at it and did some ce to the lede. Kierzek (talk) 15:10, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Yea, I saw that, nice job. MisterBee1996 mad some minor comments which I have now responded to. Hoping he will now throw in a support vote. Best, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:53, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Hitler template

Shouldn't "Hitler's personal staff" be listed in the "Personal life" section of the template, rather than "Other"? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 22:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. Kierzek (talk) 14:29, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

It's changed. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:01, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Since you're a lawyer I hope you can answer this :)

In times of war (take World War II if you need a specific example), are basic POW treatment and moral standards required by law if they're are not part of the laws of war? For instance, Nick-D mentioned on the Barbarossa talk page in relation to the war crimes section, that although the Russians had not participated in the Geneva Convention, they could rely on the "basic standards of humanity" for protection. What's your legal understanding of this? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 22:09, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Before the invasion of the USSR commencing on 22 June 1941, the German leadership determined that Soviet prisoners taken during the campaign would not be covered by international law (since the USSR did not sign the Geneva Convention regarding POW treatment); however, Germany did sign it which meant they agreed to abide by it (with basic terms of humanity) to all POWs. There was also the Hague Convention and German military penal code which would have or should have come into play. Kierzek (talk) 23:10, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

But did the laws of the Geneva Convention count if only one side had signed it? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

One could make that argument, as the Germans did, but look where it got them. And that does not take into account the Hague Convention and German military penal code. Kierzek (talk) 14:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm

I'm getting concerned about this [1]. Looks and smells a lot like Roitr. Some questionable edits on SA and German ranks as well. Maybe need to be a bit vigilant on the SS/SA rank articles. -OberRanks (talk) 01:35, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

He is from German Wikipedia and his user page [2] states:

"Dieser Benutzer wurde gesperrt..."

In other words, he appears to have been banned for some reason. I don't know why. Kierzek (talk) 14:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I found some correction in links which I made accordingly. I agree the SS/SA rank articles need watching and review; your help in same would be appreciated. Kierzek (talk) 14:38, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I cant go to any authorities on this site (is there really such a thing?) saying this is Roitr but I have a strong feeling that it is. -OberRanks (talk) 13:11, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Scheiße!

We totally forgot to add Baur and Betz and Hitler's pilots to List of Hitler's staff. Will add them ASAP. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:08, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Crisis averted, both are now added with cites. Baur's main article even had a free image for use. Sweet! Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:28, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Ironic, since I wrote the article on Betz. Good catch. Kierzek (talk) 01:16, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Haha, well it was actually by looking over the articles you created I fell upon Betz which also reminded me of Baur. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 12:44, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Btw, I agree that Margot should be removed. Being kidnapped and then forced to work as Hitler's food taster does not exactly translate as being "employed" (God knows if she even received some kind of salary). Also the lede of list gives the impression that all on Hitler's staff were friends with him and met him virtually every single day, which Margot obviously didn't; In fact, I don't think she ever met Hitler. Good job. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 12:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Stefanie

GA-review is open and the reviewer (Calvin999) has made some excellent points which I've all responded to and made edits accordingly; looks much better now. He has, however, not objected to the use of Kubizek's memoirs, so I assumes he finds it acceptable (as do I, as you know). Looks like a quick pass. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I see it passed, good for you. Kierzek (talk) 13:47, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	For helping me bring Stefanie Rabatsch to GA-status. Vielen Dank. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:09, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Kierzek (talk) 15:20, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Hope you enjoyed a relaxed holiday. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I did. Now I need to catch up on my reading - :) And I was just leaving a comment in which I agree with you, the Waffen-SS page needs some more historical information added. Kierzek (talk) 14:37, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Got a Waffen-SS-related sandbox project going on atm, but its a list, so should not take too long. After that, Ima' jump in with some thoughts for new sections and whatnot.Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:04, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I would very much appreciate some ce's to the lead of the list in my sandbox. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I will have a look when I have time. I would suggest that much of the info. you need for the history section can be obtained from the SS-VT and LSSAH articles. Kierzek (talk) 02:15, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I did some ce, added detail and cites to the lede, but you should go ahead and publish it so others can see it, voice their opinion and work on it, as well. Kierzek (talk) 14:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Well ... regarding that, please click here. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 20:39, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Heinrich Himmler

Hi there. I think what you recall may be correct. My source was this BBC 4 documentary, which was broadcast last night here in UK: [3]. I realise that you may not have access to it where you are. I'll need to check. I was hoping to locate a written source to use in the article. I’ll try and find one before I re-add anything, Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:51, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the programme says he was captured, not killed: "Gerhard von der Ahe was released form prison in the Soviet Union in 1955, as the youngest German PoW in the Soviet Union. He died in Lübeck in 2011, agred 82." I think his details would be a useful addition, if a suitable source could be found. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 28 April 2015 (UTC) - page 285 of this book might suffice, in part at least.

Okay. Thanks for the notes. Kierzek (talk) 15:27, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Hitler's staff

Martin is added... extremely embarrassing we included his brother and even mentioned Martin in Albert's notes section as well as linked his article, but failed to notice he was missing until now! Good job in spotting that. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 20:54, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I've asked SchroCat to close the FL-candidate. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

What an excellent idea for a habit!

Great to see I no longer have to ask for ce's when creating new articles or expanding them. Thanks man. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 17:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

LOL. I actually did some edits on that article a couple of years ago (2013) and although no longer on my watch list, I saw where you have now put it up for GA, so I swung by to check it out. Kierzek (talk) 18:32, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Heiden Project

I must go to bed now as I have ein uber busy day tomorrow, so please do some ce's whenever you find the time. Also, I've caused yet another SUPER annoying footnotes error (note "b" is supposed to be used two times in the article, but its not? What the...?). Lastly, feel free to take a shot at the lead. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:53, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

unfortunately my Internet server is down for my house and it won't be fixed till sometime tomorrow. So I cannot do any work on Wikipedia right now. I'm writing this from my iPhone. Kierzek (talk) 01:24, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Maybe Diannaa can do some ce's. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Maybe; I cannot do it right now, as you know. Also, I did quite a bit of work on this article in the past, so I don't know what you added or changed but I would not think it was a lot. Is your "new edition" still in your sandbox? Kierzek (talk) 14:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

It's currently located at User:Jonas Vinther/Heiden (I already had a different project going on in my sandbox). Yes, I know u worked on the article (I actually fell upon the article while glancing at your user page) and, like Schaub, merely expanded the article with the intention of it being an acceptable GA-nom. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:44, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Done. Kierzek (talk) 17:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

As always, thanks a lot, but I actually does have a book source which states exactly 1 March 1927. Will re-add that part and also the source (ofc). Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:00, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Click here and look at the second book in results. It states "On March 1, 1927, when Josef Berchtold resigned as Reichsfuhrer- SS (Reich Leader of the SS), his successor, Erhard Heiden took charge". Will add it ASAP. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:05, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

I did not say there was not a RS source out there to support that date, just that you were using Weale for that sentence and that cited book page didn't state the date, only the month and year. Glad you found it. Kierzek (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Stoßtrupp article

Great job in improving the article. Quick thing though: are you sure it's spelled with a sharp S? The image here (which I just now uploaded and added to the article) spells it with two S'. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:35, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

The traditional German spelling is what my cited sources have first. Kierzek (talk) 16:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

In total plain English, what does "snobbish" mean? having trouble understanding dictionary definition! Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 22:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah, nevermind; see Wiki has an article for it. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 22:58, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Political views of Adolf Hitler

Well - it still needs lots of work, but at least it's now a little more respectable since we've added some requisite source material. Mach's gut! --Obenritter (talk) 20:39, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Yep. When I finish working on Goebbels with Diannaa, I will be able to spend more time on it. Keep working on it when you have time. Kierzek (talk) 22:15, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

At this point, your editor's "pen" needs warmed up. Consider removing some of the disclaimers about lengthy quotes as they no longer apply. It still could use some constructive editing but I wanted to get the extensive quotes removed as well as the non-sequitur (biographical) information. In that regard, I think I've made commendable progress. Schau mal an...--Obenritter (talk) 22:22, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Obenritter it is much better, thank you. I did some tweaking and ce work. Now back to Goebbels, starting tomorrow night. Kierzek (talk) 02:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Well - I think the article is at least a respectable reflection of der Führer's political beliefs in general at this point. Concerning Goebbels, I'd imagine nothing is as comprehensive as Longerich's work on the man. Never was a fan of Mahatma Propaghandi - so aside from Fraenkel, I've not read that much on him. He figures prominently in the works I have on NS propaganda of course, so if you need some insight into a particular detail in that regard while editing it, feel free to engage me. Otherwise, I'll leave that article alone as it looks like you and Lady Di are busy after it. Mach's gut ! --Obenritter (talk) 01:03, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Longerich's book is worth a read, but I don't believe it is as good as his work on Himmler overall. It is not light reading, clocking in at 964 pages. Yes, the re-write and ce work of that article was just finished today. Thanks for the work on improving the Political views of Adolf Hitler article, it is much better now. Have a look at the Nazi Party article, it could use some work; the main "History" section and its subsections; too long and too much commentary. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 01:37, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh my - Nazi Party article looks like a veritable monstrosity. It could stand a Haarschnitt for sure. Not sure I want any of that...lol. --Obenritter (talk) 01:46, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Gesche-Himmler relations

How Hitler's Bodyguard Worked has a wealth of info on their conflicts, as you know. It's properly too irrelevant for Himmler's article, but Gesche's article already has a subsection for it and it could use an expansion. Will begin to work on it tomorrow and will ping when finish, so you have the chance to do some ce's as well. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:34, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, well much of that is already covered in that article and cited to RS sources; I know because I worked on it; so I don't believe it needs a large addition. Kierzek (talk) 12:21, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh okay, I understand. Well, kein problem, lots of other stuff to do. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

There is always plenty to do around here, I agree. Kierzek (talk) 15:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Latest GA-project

Improved Ideology of the SS with the purpose of bringing it to GA-status. Have gone ahead and nominated it, but there should be plenty of time for some copy-editing. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 17:15, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Done. Kierzek (talk) 21:36, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Cheers for that. On another note, I've started a talk page discussion regarding an edit conflict which I would like your take/vote on. Best, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:30, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Done. Sorry, but I have to agree that the image is not related for the point to be illustrated. Take a look on Wikicommons for a better SS or Waffen-SS photo, if one is present which could be said to relate in a better way. Kierzek (talk) 16:01, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

There's actually quite a bit that could be expanded in Ideology of the SS from excellent sources but if it meets GA status and you guys feel it sufficient - I'll leave it be.--Obenritter (talk) 01:12, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

The GA review has not started yet. It could use some tweaking and new RS cites (it relies heavily on Hans Buchheim's 1968 work). But I would not do any major re-write at this point in time. Kierzek (talk) 01:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

OK - enough said. That Anatomy of the SS State work always strikes me as interesting. Some versions list Buchheim as the primary author/editor, others cite Krausnick, while others list Broszat. Very few however, mention Jacobsen aside when the full list is provided. It always depends on which chapter is being cited in the end. The way it appears, you'd think they were different books. Obenritter (talk) 01:52, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Heiden

GA-review was officially opened on 12 May, but nothing has been written yet. Going to request someone else review. Stay tuned! Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:42, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Willi Fey

Have you seen his name before? Apparently he fought with distinction in the final battles in Berlin. His Knight's Cross is disputed. Do you have some info on the guy? Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:12, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I will check to see if I have anything on him as to Berlin. I recall hearing about his guy in Normandy on the Western Front and having destroyed a number of Sherman tanks. I assume it is the same guy; but will have to check. Kierzek (talk) 14:19, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I did a quick research on the internet and found this:

The record of Tiger 134, Willi Fey's Panzer. From his book: "Armour battles of the Waffen-SS":

FIFTY DAYS OF PANZER ACTION IN NORMANY From the diary of Tiger 134:

July 10: Reconnaaisance in force in Maltot Destroyed: 3 Cromwells Our enemy in those days were: 9th Royal Tank Regiment, 31st British Brigade (independant)

July 10: Hill 112 recaptured (loader Hensel killed) Destroyed: 5 Cromwells, 3 Paks. Our enemy in those days were: A - Squadron, 7th R.T.R., 31st British Brigade

July 11: Hill 112, attack on wooded area Destroyed: 3 Shermans Our enemy in those days were: The Royal Scots Greys, 4th Armoured Brigade (independent)

July 16: Maltot - Point 42, threat to the flank (gunner Christoph mortally wounded) Destroyed: 4 Churchills, armoured personnel carriers, half tracks Our enemy in those days were : 153rd R.A.R in 34th Tank Brigade (independent British brigade)

August 6: Battle area Vire - Chenedolle Destroyed: 1 armoured rec.vehicle, 1 Pak Our enemy in those days were: Fife and Forfar Yeomanry, and 23rd Hussars in 29th Brigade, 11th Armoured Division (Brit.)

August 7: Chenedolle, breakthrough to N - 158 prevented Destroyed: 15 Shermans, 12 reconnaissance vehicles, 1 Pak, half tracks Our enemy in those days were: 23rd Hussars in 29th Armoured Brigade, 11th Armoured Division (Brit.)

August 14: Soulangy - St. Pierre, N - 158 Caen - Falaise, relief attacks for the infantry Destroyed: 3 Shermans, armoured personnel carriers, half tracks Our enemy in those days were: 10th Armoured Regiment (Fort Garry Horse) in 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade

August 15: Soulangy - St. Pierre N - 158, attacks on Positions of I./26 repelled Destroyed: 10 Shermans, 6 reconnaissance vehicles, half tracks Our enemy in those days were: 6th Armoured Regiment (1st Hussars), 10th Armoured Regiment

August 16: Versainville, Abteilung command post of Pz.Abt.102 encircled by Canadian Infantry Destroyed: 4 Shermans Our enemy in those days were: 6th Armoured Regiment near Falaise

August 17: Vignats, order to cover for withdrawal Destroyed: 2 armoured reconnaissance vehicles Our enemy in those days were:

August 18: Encirclment Chambois - St, Lambert, commander H.Weiss captured, Tiger 134 damaged by hits, blown up, Tiger 001 taken over Destroyed: 3 Shermans Our enemy in those days were: 1st Polish Armoured Division, 24th Lancers, 10th Armoured Brigade

August 18: Breakout with Tiger 001 at St. Lambert Destroyed: 3 Shermans, armoured personell carriers, half tracks Our enemy in those days were: 1st Polish Armoured Division, 24th Lancers, 10th Armoured Brigade

August 19: Report ro reconnaissance Abteilung "Das Reich" Destroyed: Our enemy in those days were:

August 19: Report to Korps command post II. SS - Panzerkorps at Camembert to commanding General Bittrich and Oberst Pipkorn Destroyed: Our enemy in those days were:

August 20: Counterattack to open the encirclement near Chambois Destroyed: 2 Shermans, reconnaissance vehicles, half tracks Our enemy in those days were: 1st Polish Armoured Regiment, 24th Polish Lancers

August 21: Coudehart - Champosoult Destroyed: 2 Shermans Our enemy in those days were: 1st Polish Armoured Regiment, 24th Polish Landers

August 22: Moving Tiger 001 in direction Vimoutiers - Rouen Destroyed: Our enemy in those days:

August 28: Crossing the Seine on navy barge at Rouen, after fighter bomber attack, Tiger 001 sank in harbour Destroyed: Our enemy in those days:

August 30 - 31: Ordered by Abteilungsfuehrer Kalls in Rouen to blow up Tigers and Panthers on the south shore Destroyed: 2 Panthers Kierzek (talk) 14:27, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I have nothing on him as to Berlin. Kierzek (talk) 15:35, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the data, I will try to integrate the info MisterBee1966 (talk) 10:22, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Good, maybe you can find his book; I believe there is a German edition. Kierzek (talk) 12:51, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Removing Spartacus Educational

We both agreed some time ago that reliability of Spartacus Educational is questionable at best, but even so I think it's wrong to remove it from "External links" sections. Why? Because it's, regardless of its reliability, a reasonably well-known encyclopedia and abundantly used reference site by students of America and Britain. After all, if Spartacus was considered a reliable source by the Wikipedia community it might as well have been used in the article rather then being placed in the "External links" section. Furthermore, IMDb is not reliable at all, but is linked in the "External links" section in almost every movie article; think this is the same principle. Best, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:11, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. It is not RS. Just because something is used "abundantly" does not enhance its reputation. BTW - You could not use it in the article anyway as an encyclopedia should never be used as a citing source to another encyclopedia (including Wikipedia). Kierzek (talk) 18:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	For your copyediting effort and overall improvement of Erhard Heiden, which has just passed for GA-status, I award you this Barnstar! Well done. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 19:30, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Kierzek (talk) 21:33, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Latest GA-nom

Hedwig Potthast. Short article, like your touch on it. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:48, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Done. Kierzek (talk) 00:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Revisiting an old project

I starting improving Edda Göring back in May 2014 with the aim of getting it to GA-status. For reasons I can't recall, I never finished, but got quite far; when I stumbled across it today, very little had to be done to make a qualified GA-nom (only problem now is lots of ISBN's missing in source section which I will fix later on). Unless I'm starting to annoy you with all these request, I would appreciate some copyedits, and especially if you could review all the paragraphs. Back in May 2014, I went overkill with paragraphs and I'm sure that some paragraphs could be merged. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:59, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't have a lot of extra time right now, but will try to look at it sooner than later. Kierzek (talk) 12:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Sturmabteilung name change discussion

The name change discussion was getting to be quite confusing as to who supported what, so I revamped the format and I'm asking all editors who already voted to return and recast their votes under the new format. [4] Thanks, BMK (talk) 12:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I will have a look again. Thanks, Kierzek (talk) 16:49, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

BMK - Good presentation on the issue. Kierzek (talk) 17:31, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

A cute kitten to show my appreciation for all your work on Horst Wessel and help during the GA-review. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:15, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Kierzek (talk) 16:02, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Progress is slow

Progress is slow on Goebbels. I am reading Thacker and Longerich trying to get up to the point chronologically in the sources where I can add to the chronology in the article. Meanwhile I paused yesterday and edited the antisemitism / Holocaust material, so that I could remove some of the post-it tabs from the source books. I have booked off the week of June 15 and hope to finish or be close to it by the end of that week. Someone has placed a hold on the Longerich book and the Thacker book is due back on the 16th. As an employee of the library, I don't have to pay late fees, but still. -- Diannaa (talk) 16:06, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Dianna, good job thus far; for a major article, the more I have read through it, the more it has become apparent of the work it has needed. I know it has been slow; I wish I could spend more time on it per day; and let's face it; after a while when one has the time, one wants to work on something else around here. With that said, I am here to see it through with you. Kierzek (talk) 16:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Diannaa, I finished the "Defeat and death" section; see what you think. Kierzek (talk) 02:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

remember, ping when you're done and I'll review it. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 17:22, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks, Kierzek (talk) 17:40, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I am back on vacation as of tomorrow and will check over your progress and get the thing finished. -- Diannaa (talk) 23:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Sounds great. Kierzek (talk) 01:57, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Diannaa, I see you have finished "Plenipotentiary for total war" and tweaked "Defeat and death"; getting very close. Kierzek (talk) 19:35, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I am feeling a lot more comfortable about things today, as the last of the unsourced material was removed. Thacker makes it clear that a lot of these implications that Goebbels was involved in back-of-house plots and machinations was put out by Speer in his books and nowhere else, so I feel comfortable removing it though I have not yet read through the relevant sections in Longerich. We just need to round out the family section, the antisemitism section, and do the lead and the final copy edits. Hopefully some more pics can be found to break up the text, too. -- Diannaa (talk) 19:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Good. The family section definitely needs the most work and good RS citing. Kierzek (talk) 19:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Pretty much down to last things. Please look over the new lede and tweek if you spot anything untoward. -- Diannaa (talk) 19:23, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Looks good. Kierzek (talk) 20:33, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@Jonas Vinther: Nominated for GA. -- Diannaa (talk) 22:03, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Good. Kierzek (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Ribbentrop

Here goes the plan:

• Thursday: copy edit article
• Friday: curb any unnecessary or untrue info
• Saturday & Sunday: source everything unsourced
• Monday: final touches and replacement with the version in main space

You (and perhaps Diannaa) will have a chance to copy edit the improved version from any day past Tuesday (that is, if my timetable doesn't crumble). Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay, but you can take more time, if need be. Kierzek (talk) 14:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Going on vacation soon and have some family matters that needs to be dealt with first. Furthermore, having only just finished Riefenstahl's article not so long ago, I would prefer to take a weeks break before taking on such a large article again. However, I'll definitely get it done before August; once I start improving it the plan is still to complete it in some five days (in relation to the previous section about Ribbentrop's article I started). Lastly, I have some other not-so-long articles on my to-do list, such as The Hatter, which catches my attention a bit more these days than Ribbentrop for instance. Hope you understand. Best, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 17:49, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

No problem; Ribbentrop and everything else for that matter will still be here and can wait. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Heydrich & Merten

You may enjoy reading

• Merten, Karl-Friedrich (2006). Nach Kompaß—Die Erinnerungen des Kommandanten von U-68. Berlin, Germany: Ullstein. ISBN 978-3-548-26402-8. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

In the early parts of the book, Merten talks about Heydrich, whom he met in the navy, and how (according to Merten) Heydrich was forced to leave the navy. Apparently Erich Raeder was a big influencing factor. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:23, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

MisterBee1966, this is indeed interesting! My understanding has always been that Heydrich, after getting his commission, began an affair with one of his superiors daughters while being engaged Lina von Osten. When he refused to leave Lina and marry the unknown daughter of his superior, Raeder booted him for "conduct unsuitable for a naval officer". Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 12:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Merten, talks about Heydrich (at the time holding the rank of Oberleutnant zur See and together with Oberleutnant zur See Schimpf) in context of organizing so called Herrenabende (I am translating this as a boys only party) in the Reichsmarine. These parties were celebrated following the annual fall maneuvers. At these parties, Schimpf and Heydrich presented humorous and regime critical sketches. At the Herrenabend in 1930, Schimpf and Heydrich presented a sketch, criticizing the older officer core of brown nosing and lack of self-esteem. Raeder, and most of the admirals were deeply offended by this. The affair with Lina von Osten was then just too much for Raeder. This is how Merten tells the story. (pages 64-65, 145-146)MisterBee1966 (talk) 12:35, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

So the unknown women in the affair was actually Lina? Okay, always thought he was engaged to Lina while also having an affair with another women. Thanks for the clarification. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, and thanks for the book recommendation MisterBee. Well, Jonas the context was he was seeing this woman from Berlin at the same time he was involved with seeing Lina. An official complaint was lodged against Heydrich; Heydrich was arrogant acting at the Court of Honor (and given what MisterBee wrote above) I am sure they were looking for a way to get rid of Heydrich. Heinrich Beucke recalled, Heydrich wanted to wash his hands of the matter with the girl. Gustav Kleikamp who was on the board confirmed this version. The matter was passed to Raeder who dismissed Heydrich (most likely for the whole demeanor). Kierzek (talk) 13:32, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Idea for an article

Was re-watching one of my favorite WWII documentaries a few hours ago and naturally Himmler appeared in some of the clips. This time I noticed a white V symbol on his right arm, placed between the shoulder and elbow. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is some sort of "mark of loyalty" Hitler gave to the earliest Nazi supporters right? Do you think I should create an article about it? At first it would obviously be a stud, but I have some history magazine sources on the V symbol that could expand such a stud. What's ya think? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

No, what you see is the honor chevron.

There were three SS Ehrenwinkel honor chevrons:

1. One was the Honour Chevron for the Old Guard, (Ehrenwinkel der Alten Kämpfer)

2. One for former Police officers and German Army members

3. One for former members of the Stahlhelm, Bund der Frontsoldaten

See the links. Kierzek (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Uploaded File:SS chief Henrich Himmler standing along side Adolf Hitler, clearly displaying his Honour Chevron for the Old Guard.gif. Seems much like a much better article photo than the old one. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 19:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Hermann Fegelein

I already posted my suggestion here. I believe you two, as main editors of the article, should strive for Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/A-Class review. A-class is considered an above GAN quality rating. It is an opportunity to give the article more exposure. I beleive the article is ready for this. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 13:29, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence, MisterBee; if Diannaa wants to tackle the matter, I will certainly agree to it; first though, Goebbels needs to be seen through GA review. Kierzek (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Let me know if there is anything I need to do at this point. I see the only query so far was as to a rank tabs photo copyright, which Diannaa responded. Kierzek (talk) 15:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

20 July paritipants

Expanded lead, made corrections to the online sources, alphabetically listed the names correctly per their Christian name and did some minor ce's here and there. Going to re-nominate it for FL-status and would appreciate your vote. Also, it's worth noticing there was a support on the first nomination page and the list was only withdrawn because I had also nominated Hitler's staff at the same time, which as you know is not allowed. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:02, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Jonas, as you know I just did some minor ce work on it; you should ask User:Calvin999 if he has time to run through it as it is a list. Kierzek (talk) 18:06, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, well, I see this list as much more complete and simply than Hitler's staff so don't really see the need. Also, do you mean that you're not allowed to vote by saying "as you know I just did some minor ce work on it"? Does that rule count for FL-nominations as well? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:08, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

No, it was only a suggestion as to review; I agree the list is straightforward. As for voting on it, I would assume it does not matter. Kierzek (talk) 18:25, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Over 900,000

		The Half Million Award
		For your contributions to bring Joseph Goebbels (estimated annual readership: 900,000) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Half Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! Diannaa (talk) 14:48, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Kierzek (talk) 15:24, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Sometimes

Sometimes in this place, you just wanna have some fun. -O.R.^Comms 13:21, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

		The Half Barnstar
		And to my friend, since we have cooperated so much on these articles in our field, here is one half of a barnstar (I have the other!). O.R.Comms 13:28, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, now about that SS-Volksmarschall rank. ;) Kierzek (talk) 14:02, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

If **only** I could! I'm afraid what I know about that is very much under my contract and I dare not post it to Wikipedia. Don't worry, rules of engagement will be free and clear next year after it hits the shelves and then we will all behold the things I will be able to post! -O.R.^Comms 14:42, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

You still owe me a copy of the book. Kierzek (talk) 15:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rochus Misch

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Rochus Misch you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 22:20, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rochus Misch

The article Rochus Misch you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Rochus Misch for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jonas Vinther -- Jonas Vinther (talk) 11:41, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Sort by rank

done! please check if this is correct. Those listed with a generic generals rank are probably all "General der ..." and are ranked above Generalleutnant and below Generaloberst MisterBee1966 (talk) 17:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

It still looks alphabetically sorted; am I missing something? Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 01:03, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Click twice. The first click sorts bottom up, the second top down. MisterBee1966 (talk) 02:40, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay, now I see, thanks. Well, now the only problem I see is the fact that it still reads at the top of the list, "Alphabetically listed per their Christian name". It needs to be clarified as to the different ways the reader can view the list or I would suggest just changing it to be by rank. Kierzek (talk) 12:49, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

This might interest you

Wiederholungsspange 1939. Could use some better sources, got anything? Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 15:26, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

We already have Clasp to the Iron Cross, which covers the same topic MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:11, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh.... I suppose we should convert my article into a redirect then? Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 19:16, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

yes, I think that would make sense MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:24, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Done, Alles gut! Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 19:45, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Salon Kitty/GA1

Fantastic job in handling the GA-review of Schaub, look forward to a Barnstar. :) I don't know if you've spotted, but Salon Kitty's GA-review is also open. Lots of points been made and I have "fixed" most of them which you see via the link. You might be interested in sharing your thoughts as well. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 17:21, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks; I wish I had more info. to help on the "Salon Kitty" article. Maybe I can find something this weekend. Kierzek (talk) 02:18, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

List of books about Nazi Germany

Weil ich keine Kenntnis über die Schriften von Infield habe, werde ich dein Urteil vertrauen. Wir sind aber gar nicht über den Wert der akademischen Bücher basierend auf Datum der Veröffentlichung einverstanden. Das hat keine Bedeutung in Bezug auf wissenschaftliche Zuverlässigkeit - zumindest in meiner Meinung oder die Einschätzung andere Gelehrten. Beispielweise man musst die entsprechende beispielhafte Arbeit von Shirer, Fritz Stern, Neumann, oder J. P Stern in Betrachtung nehmen. Nimmst Du keine Bücher weg, nur weil Du denkst, es datiert ist. Wenn man das für andere Faktoren wie wissenschaftliche Überprüfbarkeit macht, das ist doch in Ordnung. Hoffentlich diese Angelegenheit ist erledigt. --Obenritter (talk) 03:15, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Kierzek - I think I was just in a crabby mood when I wrote the above, as you are 100 % correct about Infield. That source was added from the bibliography of another book. Good catch nonetheless but I think the comment about something being "dated" just struck a chord. Previous Wikipedians who've employed this logic have earned my wrath in the past. It was not what you meant after I reread using my "English" brain and not my "literal" German one. OMG how right was Wilhelm von Humboldt when he talked about the "different" versions of himself depending on what language his brain was operating in at the moment. What a strange phenomenon. It' called linguistic relativity or the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis. Based on what happened above, I am thinking it's not a hypothesis - it's a fact --Obenritter (talk) 04:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Vielen Dank, muss man Wort Dinge sorgfältig zu Zeiten, das ist, warum ich hinzu,"to say the least". But don't worry about it and keep up the good work. Kierzek (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Roger that...gleichfalls. --Obenritter (talk) 17:00, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Hitler's bodyguard

As you know i'm om vacation at the moment, but me addition caused me to log in today to snoop and sniff around a bit. The bad thing is i'm forced to type om this freaking annoying touch iPad keyboard which is so tiny; my fingers almost touch al the bottoms at once. Even more annoying, the grammatik is set at Danish so every other word i type is a typo! I also can't capatilize or Italiceze words. Lastly, my the internet jumps on and off. Under these condirions, i can't edit wiki properly. Anyways, i just wanted to inform you i've seen all the work and expansion you did on Hitler's bodyguard article and loved what i saw. The article is much better. When i saw a lot of the new editions i thought, "Why didnt i Think of that?" ;) keep up the good work. Hope this dano-english messege is readable. :) Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 15:18, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, it is a subject I am interested in. Enjoy your time off. Kierzek (talk) 16:32, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Ideology of the SS

While I sent this same message to Jonas, it seems he is on vacation. If you get a moment, please look at my addition to the article - paying particular attention to the citations number 24-25 taken from Racial Science in Hitler's New Europe, 1938-1945. Since I am not sure how to cite an author's chapter within a book, it might need to be reworked for 'harv' citation continuity. Thanks--Obenritter (talk) 00:04, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I have fixed a couple of Harvard citation errors. You need to use : |last1= rather than |author1=, and you need to add |ref=harv to each source book. I have changed "Burleigh 1968" to "Burleigh 2000" as that matches the ISBN number. This book had a first edition date of 2000, so it must be the one? please confirm. For how to do a chapter in a book edited by one person but authored by another, there's examples in Auschwitz Concentration Camp (Piper, Gutman, Lifton, etc, all from Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp). I have reformatted your citation, here. -- Diannaa (talk) 01:08, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks D. Kierzek (talk) 02:54, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Ditto - you're awesome Diannaa - vielen Dank. --Obenritter (talk) 05:14, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Can only agree, thanks a lot. You can always count on Diannaa. :) Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 11:01, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For bringing Julius Schaub to GA-status, significantly improving Adolf Hitler's bodyguard and Ideology of the SS, I award you the Tireless Contributor Barnstar. Keep up all the hard work. :) Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 11:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Kierzek (talk) 01:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Another one for you...you ruthless mother.--Obenritter (talk) 00:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		Award presented to Kierzek in appreciation for his unbarmherzig and relentless high-caliber copy-edit work of Third Reich pages. Obenritter (talk) 00:39, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

LOL, Thanks man. Kierzek (talk) 01:20, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Speaking of The Lives of a Bengal Lancer

Have you seen the movie? It's really, really good. Despite being a black-and-white movie from 1935, it ranks among my favorites. Definitely recommend. :) Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 16:24, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

No, I haven't; only read about it. Kierzek (talk) 17:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

You got mail! :) Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 23:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Got it. Kierzek (talk) 01:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I hope you don't also need Hotmail to access it? Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 08:30, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Fegelein

Have you seen this Spiegel article? It stated that Eva Braun had a crush on Fegelein and would have considered a relationship with him if Hitler would have "released" her. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:29, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

This story can alos be found in this book. Do you think it is worth an addition to the article? MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:36, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I know about that. In chapter 8, Joachimsthaler in his book The Last Days of Hitler: The Legends, The Evidence, The Truth, talks about it. I never thought it more than speculation for the most part; with that said, she did enjoy his company, but he was a womanizer (pp. 270, 272, 273) and Junge and Schroeder said he could be funny, amusing, and charming (p. 271). After his marriage to sister, Gretl, Junge stated Eva was glad to have someone to dance with and flirt (p. 273). Joachimsthaler states it is possible to read too much in it. Certainly Joachimsthaler is a higher RS source than Spiegel (which after reading their article, is more about Hitler's last days in the bunker; but more sensationalized and dramatic in its presentation) and that book I would not consider at all. Under the marriage section we could add something like: Junge and Schroeder have stated that Fegelein could be funny, amusing, and charming with the ladies. After the marriage to Gretl, Eva was glad to have someone she could dance and gossip with in the "Hitler Court". Kierzek (talk) 11:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Very interesting indeed, never heard of this myself. Proposed wording: "Junge and Schroeder state Fegelein was socially popular, particularly with women. After his marriage to Gretl, Eva was glad to have someone she could dance and gossip with in Hitler's inner circle as the Führer himself came off as awkward in social situations and refrained from publicly showing affection for Eva". Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 13:56, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

@Diannaa:, what do you think? Kierzek (talk) 14:22, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I have heard the story before about a possible romance and it does make me wonder. But I think it is unlikely to be true, because it would have been an incredibly dangerous thing to do. I think adding a word about them socializing is a good idea. Jonas, your wording is okay, needs only minor tweeks -- Diannaa (talk) 18:53, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

It's possibly an exaggeration. I can imagine Spiegel and curious historians making many assumptions and guesses to attract more readers. I also don't think Eva would have willingly travelled to the Führerbunker to commit suicide with Hitler at the age of 33 if she was secretly in love with Fegelein or someone else for that matter. But it's worh mentioning. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 19:59, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

We are close on the language suggested, Jonas. What tweaks were you thinking of Diannaa, between the two? Kierzek (talk) 20:43, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

"We are close on the language suggested" sorry, but what does that mean? Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 21:59, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

"Hitler's secretary, Traudl Junge, and Schroeder state Fegelein was popular socially, particularly with women. He could be funny, amusing, and charming. After his marriage to Gretl, Eva was glad to have someone in the entourage with whom she could dance and flirt, as the Führer was awkward in social situations and refrained from publicly showing affection for her." I don't know who Schroeder is; they are not yet identified in the article or listed in the sources, so that will have to be added. Junge is Hitler's secretary; she will have to be identified as such in this passage and the later wikilink removed. -- Diannaa (talk) 22:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Wording sounds good to me. I assume "Schroeder" refers to an historian. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 22:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Jonas, by "close" I meant, not far apart in wording. Jonas and Diannaa, by "Schroeder", I meant one of Hitler's other secretaries, Christa Schroeder. Kierzek (talk) 23:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Ironic, since we both uploaded images of Schroeder and forgot who she was. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 23:07, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, its all good. BTW-Addition made. Kierzek (talk) 01:36, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Wunderbar! Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 10:53, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Yet more sleight of hand, only ... this will blow your mind!"

Been working on a little something special these past few days. Should, at all expectations, be finished my tomorrow. I'll be sure to throw you a link as one of the first. Peace, Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 23:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Its always good to do things outside of this place. Kierzek (talk) 14:07, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Amen to that friend. :) Here is the link to the new video. The last trick is a classic and I'm sure you've seen it before. :) Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 22:07, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Very good; Nur müssen "abracadabra" sagen. Kierzek (talk) 02:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Ich weiß, aber ..... Brahms! :) Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 10:02, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

SS ideology

"Animal welfare" section could use some expanding. Got anything? Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 20:36, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

I will have to look, but it has had some work since your post above. Kierzek (talk) 13:24, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree, no pressure; Obenritter and GAB has already made some nice expansions. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 15:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Yellow Alert

Please watch this, especially because of this, which I suspect because of this. Thanks! -O.R.^Comms 01:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Kierzek (talk) 21:20, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Something is quite obviously up.[5]. Creates three blank user pages (with full knowledge of edit summaries) then starts changing templates. Visits the article I mentioned then starts posting to project pages. Also never answered my inquiry. Pretty obviously someone who's been here before. Hopefully we dodged this one and there will be little further interest in the SS corner. -O.R.^Comms 17:18, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

No Gun Ri

Hello,

Hope you're doing well. I am currently engaged in a lengthy dispute resolution process over at No Gun Ri Massacre, which has seen a very heated debate between Cjhanley and WeldNeck which has seethed for years.

Part of it revolves around a sourcing dispute, namely, the credibility of the U.S. No Gun Ri Review Report, the initial AP reports (particularly the credibility of certain eyewitnesses), and of historian Robert Bateman. In general, the page has been a battleground, with frequent personal attacks, accusations of POV, bold edits against consensus, and so on, although it has calmed down as of late. It is important to note that Cjhanley is in fact one of the AP reporters who initially broke the No Gun Ri story, and was awarded the Pulitzer Prize; also, WeldNeck has accused him of a conflict of interest. Both editors have compiled extensive lists of their grievances, and have dragged one another to ANI: [6][7][8][9][10] WeldNeck also attacked Cjhanley as a sockpuppeteer: [11]. Neither editor is blameless, to say the least. I filed a DRN quite some time ago.

For some time, I, along with Timothyjosephwood, Wikimedes, and Irondome have attempted to mediate, and we have successfully imposed an unofficial "freeze" on editing the page without prior proposals. The page has been fairly quiet for a while. Unfortunately, there has recently been some adding and reverting of content, as the "freeze" has begun to thaw out:[12][13][14][15] I would appreciate any help an experienced editor such as yourself could offer. If you are interested, I can also provide some sources to provide background, although some can also be found on the page's external links category.

Thanks very much, GAB (talk) 01:40, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the thought. I don't have the time right now, but going the mediation/dispute resolution herein is another option you can consider, if it comes to that. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your consideration. GAB^Hello! 20:33, 30 July 2015 (UTC)