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Mangalore Rainfall

Hi Kensplanet,

The Rainfall figures for Mangalore are incorrect as they are 10% of the actual figures. The legend "precipitation in mm" cannot be changed to "precipitation in cm". Any suggestions?

Thanks, Ardsouza

Mangalore Rainfall

Hi Kensplanet,

The Rainfall figures for Mangalore are incorrect as they are 10% of the actual figures. The legend "precipitation in mm" cannot be changed to "precipitation in cm". Any suggestions?

Thanks, Ardsouza —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ardsouza (talk • contribs) 12:29, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for September 2008 attacks on Christians in Mangalore

On 3 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article September 2008 attacks on Christians in Mangalore, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 04:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Need for sympathy towards the too many anti-Christian violence articles ==

There is a question of garnering donations from America and Europe with sob stories of anti-Christian violence, involved in the large number of articles being posted on anti-Christian violence in India, with seperate articles for each and every incident for whatever reason on anyone bearing a seemingly Christian name. This is good for India also because it brings in foreign direct investment. I have therefore, decided not to induce any more NPOV in this and similar articles because they are only belly-filling exercises by resourceful missionaries; and as such deserve sympathy.Jobxavier (talk) 09:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC) Jobxavier (talk) 09:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge

Hi Kensplanet, I placed merger proposal Here as I feel both are same stuff and should be united. I think that you should have searched it before creating it. Otherwise, if we have any bots operating for the purpose of alerting with this sort of issues, the issue wouldn't have, is it? Please discuss the issue at destination talk. Thank you. --Googlean (talk) 09:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Bandra Fair

On 3 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bandra Fair, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt (talk) 10:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Goa

Can you get me the climate chart for Goa.Sanfy

Then can you get me a climate chart for Margao.

Goan Catholics

It will be Kind of you if you can edit the Goan Catholics History paragraph as I think it is not up to the mark.Sanfy

Thanks for puting the Goan Catholics article in the peer view section but I have not got any reply till now, can you please edit the History section giving it Good Article status.Sanfy

How did you include Pattoe in your contribution list, the article was created by me.Sanfy

Hello, Ken, could get me the number of Goan Catholics living in Goa and Delhi as he earlier estimates were wrong.

Another thing is that Deepak D'Souza said that he had a hardbound copy of the book A Description in Konkani and would help me getting the photo of its book cover. I had send him a message yesterday to regaring matter, but there is no reply from him , what sould I do.Sanfy

Please do help Goan Catholics reach a GAN status.Sanfy^Talk

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Re: History of Mumbai

Hi Kenneth, been busy lately, and I guess I will be so this month. Don't think I can devote too much time to copyediting till Diwali. I have been monitoring changes though, and I think the early history is pretty comprehensive. If time is not an issue, I will copyedit it around Diwali. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and nice to see a nice archived talk page. :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll review the top half of the article for basic grammatical errors and list it on the talk page. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Re:Kuswad

There may not be any subject named Kuswad in google, but I surely known that we Goans refer Kuswar to as Kuswad, so please do not merge it with Kuswar.

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Vithoba

Thanks for comments. I have replied to your concerns. Any more suggestions are always welcome.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 08:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, about the FAC. Since there are no further comments, should i assume that all other things are OK with the article? Please reply. Thanks a lot. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 13:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Goan Catholics

Hi. I had peer reviewd the article in archive 2, but it seems like the PR is still showing archive 1.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 23:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you get me the number of Goan Catholics in Calcutta.Sanfy

Can you please help to cut short the Goan Catholics#Performing arts paragraph.

A class

You're right. I thought all sections were referenced when I scanned the article. Please change it to B. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:21, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

So revert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.11.242 (talk) 09:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Mangalorean Catholics

I dont think he/she was vandalising. Probably some chap who came across this article while googling and decided that he knew better how to write it :-). Ill give him a nice welcome message. --Deepak D'Souza 10:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok scratch that, he was definetley vandalising(sorry I ddidnt see the entire message). I have a feeling it might be our good friend going by this edit [1]. --Deepak D'Souza 10:12, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

This time he has gone too far. I have taken it to ANI [2]. --Deepak D'Souza 11:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Adminship

Are you interested in adminship? Let me know, because I would like to nominate you. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

List of city name changes

Regarding the edit to List of city name changes(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_city_name_changes&diff=245951286&oldid=245646134)

Hi, Your clarification is fine by me. — Naveenswiki (talk) 17:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

A word

Apropos of your edit summary here - I'm sorry but I do not need to "contact" you or anybody else to move an article. There is such a thing as a WP:BOLD and I moved it because the two articles struck me as dealing with the exact same thing. If you disagree (and you are perfectly entitled to your disagreements), the way to go about it is to simply revert and/or ask on the talk page. Having thought of you as a rather laid back and pleasant editor, I'm taken aback by your choosing to vent your spleen in such a manner. Anyway, I will add {merge}} tags to the article and we can discuss it there. Thanks. Sarvagnya 18:54, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA

Hi Kensplanet! Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which passed yesterday. I hope not to let you and the others down, and use the tools for the benefit of the project. Cheers, Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Ravi Shastri

please, let us stop an edit war...it looks funny to others(foreign readers). Kannadiga Warrior (talk) 11:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

i removed all scripts.as for now, leave that part until we find official confirmation by him(ravishastri).

english wikipedia,article looks better without an indic scripts. will you agree??? Kannadiga Warrior (talk) 11:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

C-class articles for WP INDIA

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Barnstar

Thanks Kenneth!

		The Golden Mumbai Barnstar
		I Nichalp, award Kensplanet this barnstar for initialization WP:Mumbai, and for his solid contributions and dedications to this project. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Image from Southern India

Soory buddy, there is a copyright notice on the lower right hand side of the book. I dont know how copyrights are aplicable but since there is it is better not to use it. --Deepak D'Souza 18:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films October 2008 Newsletter

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Thank you!

Thank you, Kenneth! WP:MUM is here to stay. BTW, the next FA in my opinion will be History of Mumbai! --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 08:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

help in solving dispute on bias

Hi, I and one of my fellow editors are facing a deadlock on a issue of bias on a controversial topic Operation Blue Star, the summary of dispute can be found at [3], please let us know your views so that we can solve the dispute amicably. Thanks LegalEagle (talk) 02:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

For your vote at Roman Catholic Church. I am sorry to inform you that we failed FAC but will again be at peer review in a few weeks to sort things out. Hopefully we will make it through next time. We will be contacting all supporters and opposers of the article when we open the next peer review to hopefully get all issues addressed and hashed out before the next FAC try. Thanks again for your time and attention to this important article. NancyHeise ^talk 01:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Images

Hello Kensplanet, sorry for the very very late response. I have been really busy with University and hence I haven't been that active on Wikipedia. I am temporarily back though it won't be for that long!! :(( As for the question you asked me, the procedure is quite complicated and time-consuming. When I was in talks with the people of IndiaFM to use the images on their site, they indicated to me that we were allowed to use any images that came from "on the sets" and "events", such as award functions, music releases, etc. We are allowed to use these images as they have been taken exclusively and personally by the IndiaFM photographers team. So I am pretty sure that there shouldn't be a problem regarding the image you wanted to use on the specified article.

We cannot just upload the images and stick on the IndiaFM tag with the OTRS ticket number. This is what it says on the template documentation: "Don't just upload images from there and put this license on it - all images from IndiaFM must be verified, individually or in small batches, by OTRS. This may be considered inconvenient, but it is a lot more inconvenient for people to have to delete all the images because one person may have done it wrong." As for the uploading technique, here I go... lol.. It is a very long and complicated process... To avoid the mess like what was the case with the Bollywood Blog images, we have to upload images in batches, for e.g. three-four images. BUT it must first have to pass through the OTRS system. You have to e-mail them at "permissions@wikimedia.org", providing the links of the pictures from the IndiaFM website and the original ticket number of the agreement between the IndiaFM people and I regarding the use of their images. (The original ticket number can be seen on the image's page where it says: "For reference, the correspondence with indiaFM can be viewed at...") Then after that, you upload it onto Commons, adding an OTRS pending tag. When an OTRS member comes across the image, he/she will go find your e-mail and then replace the OTRS pending tag with the permission ticket. Just a reminder that the OTRS members take quite a while to ticket the images!! Note: the permission ticket is different for all images as the ticket is when you sent your e-mail to them. See take a look at these images for yourself: (It is right above the "File History") Image:KareenaKapoor.jpg & Image:Zinta IIFA 04.jpg. If you have any questions regarding this long and confusing process, feel free to let me know. BTW, if you want me to upload the image for you and are in no rush, I have no problem!! Just a reminder that the OTRS members take quite a while to ticket the images!! So you will have to wait a while!! If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. Best Regards -- Bollywood Dreamz ^talk 02:56, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:Bombay

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Rollback

Be cautious when using the rollback rights. Rollback is used to combat vandalism This revert is not vandalism. Use the undo and explain in the edit summary. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:48, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Copyright

Tight, very tight.

Indian copyright act

(17b) subject to the provision of clause (a), in the case of a photograph taken, or a painting or portrait drawn, or an engraving or a cinematograph film made, for valuable consideration at the instance of any person, such person shall, in the absence of any agreement to the contrary, be the first owner of the copyright therein;

Based on my above understanding it should be copyrighted. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'll tell him. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Mangalorean Catholics pic?

The article desperately needs some pics of people, if possible try to find some. NOT a GA criterion, but think about FA. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 05:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

History of Mumbai

Great! I have some information on WWI. Its in the form of a photo, need to get that transcribed. I'll look at c-e but I always get turned off by the inline references and wikilinks. I've also deleted some of Sanfy's images that were blatant copyvios, and asked him to provide sufficient information on the remaining images. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Great, I'll probably have a look at it over the weekend or next week. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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Red links and edit summaries

Rev. Keep two things in mind:

1. Please NO "All caps" in edit summaries – It's construed as hostile and shouting, not to mention immature on WP.
2. There is no policy on not having red links. Red links are part and parcel of Wikipedia, and encourages editors to create articles. While red links do look bad on a featured article, the best way to combat this is for the FAC nominator to create stub articles. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:43, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I have replied on the History of Mumbai talk page. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Great going!

Well History of Mumbai has really shaped up well! Congrats! I skimmed through the article and felt the article focuses majorly on its political history. It also covers the economic and social history appropriately. However its cultural, business and infrastructural history can be improved upon further. --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 18:16, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

What's wrong with Almas Heshmati et al. view on globalization in India?

Dr. Amit Kumar Bhandari (a very promising younger Indian economist from the Indian Institute of Social Welfare and Business Management (IISWBM) in Calcutta) et al in Heshmati (a world class Swedish economist, who worked a long time with the United Nation's WIDER Institute in Helsinki and who is now among others Professor in Seoul's KNU, among the top 5% of the world's economists according to the IDEAS/REPEC criteria of Number of Works, Number of Distinct Works, Number of Distinct Works, Weighted by Number of Authors, Number of Journal Pages, Number of Journal Pages, Weighted by Number of Authors, Number of Abstract Views in RePEc Services over the past 12 months, Number of Downloads through RePEc Services over the past 12 months Number of Abstract Views in RePEc Services over the past 12 months, Weighted by Number of Authors, Number of Downloads through RePEc Services over the past 12 months, Weighted by Number of Authors) and associates portray a valid picture about liberalization, globalization and development in India. What's so wrong with it that you simply erased it? And you also erased the Tony Blair quote - which reminds especially us Europeans not to project superiority complexes onto this important nation, and democracy. If you do not agree with the presentation, at least include the argument in other style and in a condensed fashion, but simply erasing it is without justification. Roadmap to Bangalore was recently very positively reviewed in the "Journal of Common Market Studies", one of the leading social sciences journals in the world, and how come that you simply erase the entry, once and for all? Kind regards

From User Franz weber, 21:33 Central European Time, November 17, 2008, Vienna, Austria —Preceding unsigned comment added by Franz weber (talk • contribs) 20:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Reg Mumbai History

Hi John,

The history section in Mumbai need not have the riots and bombing details...

The details put a bad impression of the city to the international audience.. :(

Regards Prasad / Prasadksap (talk) 07:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Image:Genelia D'Souza.jpg

Hello User:Kensplanet, the image of Genelia D'Souza has been tagged by the OTRS and is now available for use on the article :)) -- Bollywood Dreamz ^talk 16:51, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

You're most welcome!!! Take care!!! Regards -- Bollywood Dreamz ^talk 18:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Vithoba

Actually i do plan a FAC after the copyedit, but requested the class A review as the reviewer generally points out the faults in the article which may crop up in the FAC and suggests improvements needed. You are welcome to assess for class A status or give an informal peer review on the talk, whichever you think is suitable. Thanks. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 13:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Re. Help required

Hello Kensplanet. Do you have a link for that article? I am currently very busy off-wiki and might not have time to do that translation very soon. But please let me have a look. Yes, "Nossa Senhora de Salvação" means "Our Lady of Salvation". Best regards, Húsönd 20:43, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh. I thought that Nossa Senhora de Bom Concelho was the name of an article somewhere. If it's just to translate that, it makes the task much easier. "Concelho"" means "municipality" in Portuguese. Perhaps the best translation would be "Our Lady of the Good County", as municipality would sound rather odd. Regards, Húsönd 21:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

GA review of Vasil Levski

Hello there, thanks, I'm looking forward to it :) Todor→Bozhinov 07:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the review and the award! It's extremely pleasing when your hard work is appreciated! Best wishes, Todor→Bozhinov 12:25, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:Goan Catholics

Thanks for your concern regarding the article, I very busy but will try to do my best for article, are you not interested in taking charge of the history section? as I do'nt have time to go through books. Sanfy

Hi, Ken, can you get me the Goa Gazetteer.Sanfy^Talk

Ken, I'm too a Bombayite and I understand what our city is going through, but please help me after you finish the article. Regards and take care.Sanfy^Talk

GA review of Igbo people

Thanks for taking the time to review. Ukabia (talk)

RE:GA review of Igbo people

Thanks for the review, I'll try my best to improve it and retry the GAN. Ukabia (talk)

re-rollback

I got it. Guess i was not thinking very well, early morning. will be careful. Thanks for reminding me though. Docku: What up? 16:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Assessment of Sukhdev Singh Babbar

Hi,

Thanks for assessing article Sukhdev Singh Sukha. I had requested an independent editor, who does not have any relationship with Sikhism to re-structure Sukhdev Singh Babbar so that it could be presented in an independeny way. It is ready for your kind view now. Please go ahead and award your ratings for Sukhdev Singh Babbar. --Singh6 (talk) 06:17, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Great Bombay Textile Strike

On 25 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Great Bombay Textile Strike, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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RfA thanks

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ITN

On 26 November, 2008, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 26 November 2008 Mumbai attacks, which you created. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

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26 November 2008 Mumbai attacks

		The Content Creativity Barnstar
		Great job in starting 26 November 2008 Mumbai attacks. Please accept my condolences for the loss of life of your fellow citizens.

Bearian (talk) 00:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Good Job on the article , dude ! -- Tinu Cherian - 07:07, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Good job. Even people trapped at the Taj hotel used their laptops to look online for what's happening. Now more than ever people need a detailed article like the one we presently have on Wiki. JSR 0562 15:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Images

If someone can find evidence that those two pics were published elsewhere under copyright, then they should remove them and start a deletion discussion at Commons. Don't you think it's entirely possible that a Flickr user in India could have taken them and then uploaded them? Daniel Case (talk) 14:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Attacks

Hi, Ken, whatever I have written is whatever I have been seeing on the Times Now channel, please provide the suitable references.Sanfy^talk

Review

Why did you remove my review, I have hardly made 2 to 4 edits to the article?Sanfy^talk

Mangalore Catholics

Wow! What an article! I'm somewhat busy in real life atm. I've never unwatched your article, because I was wanting to come back and work more on it sometime. Now I just want to come back and read it! It looks swanky!

I'm going to have to look very closely at why it is not GA. I just can't believe that decision.

You've heard of "inclusionist" v "deletionist" I expect. Well, I'm a "contributor" v "critic" kind of dude. God willing, I'll render a contributor like yourself every assistance in your "struggles" to satisfy critics.

Keep up your awesome and enjoyable work. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations

Your being mentioned in the media! Rvk41 (talk) 14:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
ireport
NDTV.com

Sorry

Sorry friend, I did'nt know that, it was a mistake, you can forward your permission at - and can I have your e-mail address?Sanfy^talk

Dear friend, I am eagerly waiting for your e-mail id.Sanfy^talk

Mangalorean Catholics

Thank you for giving me more background. Overall, I'm stunned by the quality of sources you've gathered to address a notable, large group of people with a fascinating history. There must be many communities like this which other encyclopedias will never successfully research and document. The article represents precisely the sort of thing Wikipedia can provide like no other encyclopedia. It is unique as well as useful, interesting and engaging. Some complain Wiki is full of Pokemon and pop culture (though I'm sympathetic to their inclusion). But articles like yours are where Wikipedia seriously engages with "the people".

I think I need to look more closely at each reference to see what it is being used to establish. I think our issue is that we need to be more "specialist" in examining reliability in articles like MC. Broad guidelines are excellent, multiple editors considering the decisions is an excellent help. But it would be good if everyone was clear about the unique value of such articles—a Wiki specialty, if you like—and generous with time and consideration of what reliability means in their context.

In other words, yes, I agree with you (though I should check further) that it seems reasonable to have time to address source reliability in detail. I think both you and I agree that it's natural for other responsible editors to have more questions about sources for these articles than in other cases, and they do ask the right sort of questions.

I feel your frustration at the moment, and I am deeply concerned. Others are doing what they think is right, yet grieving someone who has clearly taken sourcing as matter of top priority, and been judicious in selection of sources. I know Redtigerxyz to be an extremely hard working contributor himself. Perhaps I don't understand the process well, must you wait a very long time for another bid for GA? Alastair Haines (talk) 22:00, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

PS Outstanding work with the report on the tragic and atrocious attacks. Alastair Haines (talk) 04:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

PPS Do you know which refs were considered unreliable? Who considered them unreliable? I'll approach that person directly. I want to do this for you, your work deserves it. I just want to save some time by being specific. Alastair Haines (talk) 11:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Opinions regarding reliability

I am proud that India's tragedy is Australia's also, may those who suffer together learn to love together.

Indiancatholics.com

"The Indiancatholic.com is owned and maintained by the Office of the Spokesperson and the Media/Information Office of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of India." The Media/Information Office was established as the "Public Relations Office in 1992". They claim to be "the most popular Church News and Information Service on the Internet from India."

They are a public relations office, hence represent an authoritative, but self-interested, source of information regarding matters within their jurisdiction—the CBCI. This jurisdiction includes Mangalore Catholics. However, they are not a reliable source of their own popularity.

Some articles are written by contributors external to the Office, but reviewed by professionals. Regarding historical information, better sources should be obtained. Regarding contemporary and local opinions and matters of self-identification, it is a valid and reliable source.

Daijiworld.com

Daijiworld claim "100,000 individuals from around 180 countries" visit their site daily. I can only repeat that a Wiki editor who specialises in Wiki standards regarding RS has confirmed that an e-paper, with a named editor-in-chief and published head office address is acceptable.

Magalorean.com

Dear Ken, I consider this a reliable source, but you are right, controversial claims should not be sourced on this site. However, the photographic documentation of the events is outstanding. I think those underline the value of local e-papers to Wikipedia. I suppose photographs can be doctored or mis-captioned, but there is nothing controversial here. How better could we convince someone an event took place in a local community than to show photographs of that event published in a local e-paper?

Catholic-heirarchy.org

"This web site is not officially sanctioned or approved by any Catholic Church authority."

"The contents are purely the responsibility of David M. Cheney."

I trust David M. Cheney, but Wiki cannot. But we can cite the sources he cites, and those are reliable (the Bibliography, that is, and maybe the web-sites). Perhaps you need to isolate the references that he used to produce the information you use. Additionally, it is a convenient online summary of information based on those reliable sources, which contains no advertising and costs nothing to visit—an excellent External link.

I will be busy for a few weeks. Please don't forget me, I love your work. Alastair Haines (talk) 13:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Famous!

Receiving international media recognition, huh... Well deserved! Regards, --KnowledgeHegemony ^talk 07:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)