User talk:KRBN/Last Autumn-Winter Archive

Patrick Ogunsoto

Please do not but prod tags back to articles after they have been contested. If you wish to delete this article, take it to AfD. Catchpole 11:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion process

Kyriakos,

I'm glad you dropped by with a question rather than get into an "edit war" over deletion tags.

You have the "right" to nominate a biographical article for speedy deletion under A7 criteria if the article does "not assert the importance or significance of its subject." For example, if the article gave the birthdate and said he was a businessman, that would fall under no assertion of notability. However, if there is additional information, for example that he is a CEO or business owner, then on some level, there is an assertion of some notability. If you nominate an article for speedy deletion and another editor disagrees with your nomination, for example, feels that there is notability, it is acceptable for that editor to remove the tag, while leaving a comment about why the tag was removed. A simple explanation in the edit summary should be sufficient. If you still question the notability, you may return and nominate the article under Articles for deletion. (From the speedy deletion criteria — "If the assertion is disputed or controversial, it should be taken to AfD instead.")

When there is an assertion of notability, and if you feel that the subject is not sufficiently notable to have an article on Wikipedia — see WP:Notability — you have two choices:

1. Proposed deletion ({{prod}}) or
2. Articles for deletion (AFD).

To determine which one to use, review the article history. If it has previously been tagged with a speedy tag or with a prod tag, and the tag has been removed, then this indicates that the lack of notability is disputed, so AFD is the appropriate route.

As in the case of speedy delete tags, with a {{prod}} tag, any editor may dispute it and remove the tag, as above. So, any further nomination for deletion should be done through AFD.

In the specific case of Christos Panopoulos, the history shows that after you nominated it for speedy, the tag was removed and a reason given for the removal of the tag. You again speedy tagged it with a more appropriate tag (A7). (However, in this case, I would have moved to AFD, rather than push the speedy tag. In addition, please keep in mind WP:Civil, re: "haha".) The speedy tag was removed with explanation in the edit history (did not meet csd (Criteria for speedy deletion)). This is acceptable. You then nominated it with a {{prod}} tag, which should have been AFD instead, as the nominiation was disputed by virtue of removal of the tag, etc. TruthbringerToronto's actions in this case were acceptable and he did provide explanation in the edit summary. AFD is where community consensus is sought to determine whether the article should be deleted.

Hope this helps. — ERcheck (talk) 17:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. The policy on PROD is very clear: See WP:PROD#Conflicts — "Contested deletions: If anyone, including the article's creator, removes Template:Prod from an article for any reason, do not put it back...". The page on WP:PROD provides the full information about the policy. It would be a good idea to fully familiarize yourself with the three different deletion processes by reading the policies.

— ERcheck (talk) 18:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Reminder: Please use edit summaries as was indicated above. — ERcheck (talk) 18:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Notability questions

The issue of notabililty for athletes — the criteria are specific to the sport/region/country, etc. For example, an athlete who has represented their country in the Olympic games would generally be considered to be notable. For U.S. sports such as American football, baseball, and basketball, a player who is signed to a professional team is generally considered to be notable. In the case of football (soccer), generally, in Europe, players on the national team or signed to a first division team would be notable. Stature of a team does not refer to physical height, but rather to the second dictionary definition, specifically "respect coming from achievement or development".

Since your general interest seems to be with respect to football players, I've directed my comments specifically to that issue. I hope this helps. If you have further questions, come back to my talk page and ask. — ERcheck (talk) 20:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Ethnikos Achna FC

You recently removed the statement: "It is the only Cypriot team to have managed to win a European trophy" from the Ethnikos Achna FC article. You did not leave an edit summary to provide an explanation. Is this a false statement? Why did you remove it? — ERcheck (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Concerning categories

You recently removed the Category:Basketball teams from the Chicago American Gears article. By virtue of the {{hoops-team-stub}}, the article will be in the Category:Basketball team stubs, which is a subcategory of Basketball teams. However, when/if the article is expanded and the stub tag removed, it will no longer be in that subcategory. It is correct to leave the Category:Basketball teams in the article. — ERcheck (talk) 16:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology

Since you are interested in flags and emblems I would like to inform you that the WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology has just been created. Why not take a look? I hope you can join. Inge 21:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

ilektroniko taxidromio

ean exeis xrono (epeidi ine terastio) thes na mou doseis ena xeri? Aristovoul0s 13:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

TONY ESOPI=

Giati ; ekanes to Achaia Football Guild Union http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Achaia_Football_Guild_Union&redirect=no Redirect page sto "Panachaiki" , GIA PIO LOGO;; XORIS SIZITISI ;;; ETSI GOYSTARIS ;;; TI IDIOKTISIA SOY INE I VIKIPEDEIA KE OTI GOYSTARIS KANEIS ;;;

Γεια σου Τόνυ με τα ωραία σου. Στενοχωρήθηκες που σου έσβησε τη δουλειά, αλλά μην του πάρεις και το κεφάλι. Και εγώ νομίζω ότι έκανε λάθος, αλλά το κείμενο με τα κεφαλαία γράμματα δε χρησιμεύει σε τίποτα, μόνο να τον τσαντίσεις, κάτι που δεν εξυπηρετεί κανένα. Χαιρετισμούς κρβν με τα άπειρα user-κουτάκια....βαρεμένος κι εσύ βλέπω...και για τα καλά μάλιστα...--FocalPoint 21:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

TONY ESOPI

Δεν έχω σκοπό να του πάρω το κεφάλι,αν και θα έπρεπε.΄ Δεν ξέρω καλά αγγλικά αλλά απο ότι καταλαβαίνω θέλης να διαγράψης το άρθρο . Γιατί;;;Πρέπει να έχεις πρόβλημα εκεί μέσα μάλον.Και είσαι απαράδεκτος δεν απαντάς κιόλας να μας πείς την γνώμη σου , αλλά και γιατί το κάνης, έχεις κάποιο κόμπλεξ με την Αχαία ;;;.Δεν βρίσκω άλλον λόγω και αιτία.

ΤΟΝΥ ΕΣΟΠΙ

Καταρχήν δεν είναι αγροτικο πρωτάθλημα, απο αυτό και μόνο φαίνετε η ασχετοσύνηση σου,και οτι υπάρχει άλλος λόγος που το κάνεις. Το ότι δεν σε ενδειαφέρη εσένα να μάθης τι γίνετε στο ερασιτεχνικό ποδοσφαιρο της Ελλάδας και της Αχαίας δεν σημαίνη ότι δεν ενδειαφέρη και τους άλλους.Κια κάτι που για σένα είναι γελείο για κάποιον άλλον μπορεί να είναι σημαντικό. Είχα σκοπο να γράψω όλα τα αντίστοιχα άρθρα απο την Ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια.Δηλαδή είναι σημαντικό να υπάρχουν όλες οι Αγγλικές ερασιτεχνικές λίγκες και άλλων χωρών και όχι οι Ελληνικές ;;;;; Ωραίος Έλληνας είσαι. Μήπως δεν είσαι ;;;

Cyprus city/village Infobox

Hi, i agree with your alteration of the Pachna article, but have you the know-how to create a special infoBox for Cyprus? i Have tried myself, but failed miserably... StephP 17:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

--Tony esopi patra 17:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Αυτα που λές δεν στέκουν πουθενά είναι παράλογα,Έχεις κάοια κακία για την Αχαία ή κάποιο κόμπλεξ αυτή την εντύπωση δείνης συνεχώς,Καταρχήν σε λέω άσχετο γιατί δεν έχει καμία σχέση το Κυπριακό πρωτάθλημα με το Ελληνικό δεν στέκι η σύγκριση που κάνεις, Το πόσο γνωστός είναι ο Φωστήρας άσε να ξέρουν αυτοί που ασχολούνται με το ποδόσφαιρο εσύ απο την στιγμή που δεν ασχολείσε δεν δικαιούσε να κρίνης κιόλας το πόσο τον ξέρουν στην Ελλάδα,Γιατί αν ασχολιόσουν θα τον ήξερες.Δεν συγκρίνονται το κυπριακό αγροτικό πρωτάθλημα με τα πρωταθλήματα των Ελληνικών ποδοσφαιρικών ενώσεων απο την στιγμή που τα συγκρίνης συνγνώμη αλλά είσαι άσχετος. Τώρα αυτό που λές ότι θα μου σβήνης τα άρθρα , με απειλής;;;;.Αυτό και μόνο δείχνη ότι είσαι κομπλεξικός , Εγώ δεν ξαναασχολούμε μαζί σου αλλά αν συνεχείσης ,απλά θα απευθύνομαι σε αυτούς που πρέπει στην Βικιπαίδεια.

PAEEK restored

This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at Wikipedia:Deletion review. As you nominated the article to be deleted via WP:PROD, you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 23:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• As you have probably realised by now your feeble attempt to get PAEEK deleted has failed spectacularly. You and your alias (Moutalos) were the only ones who voted for deletion and even the users who you invited to support you, in the end voted against you. You have wasted everyone’s time again so I would suggest that in the future you concentrated on contributing more constructively. I have also noticed that you have deleted several notable articles in the past in a stealth manner simply by redirecting them elsewhere. Just to let you know that I will be monitoring your actions closely to make sure that you do not interfere again in a detrimental way. Georgeg 01:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Do not spam user Talk pages

Trawling for votes/opinions is considered highly improper, bordering on vandalism. Please do not persist in this behaviour, you risk being accused of vandalism. (aeropagitica) 14:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Achaia Football Clubs Article

Just a heads up; it is apparently against Wikipedia policy (which I was unaware of) to go around asking for support on votes so be careful, don't get yourself in trouble. If you could find out how to go about reporting such behaviour, however, you could perhaps report the others who are doing this that you were concerned about. Regardless, don't worry about whether or not there are fewer 'delete' votes for this article. A common misconception is that the Articles for Deletion are votes; they are not. Administrators who come through and decide whether or not to delete an article after its five days on the AfD do NOT tally the votes, rather they take into account the arguments on each side and decide in favor of which side made the better case. There could only be 2 people calling for deletion and 10 calling for keeping the article and the administrator could decide to delete. The people who are simply saying 'keep' and nothing else are adding nothing and will not be taken into account. No need to get others to come and 'vote' to delete; if our arguments are more valid and show how the article violate Wikipedia policy the administrators will act accordingly. --The Way 17:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you might want to read WP:Spam.--Jersey Devil 23:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Καλέ?

Τι πάθαμε όλοι μ'αυτό το μικρο-ομαδίδιο? Τι πρόβλημα υπάρχει? Άστο κει το κακόμοιρο, τί σε πειράζει? Τέλος πάντων, νομίζω ότι έχουμε όλοι μας πολύ σοβαρότερα θέματα να ασχοληθούμε... •NikoSilver• 23:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Παρεπιπτόντως, και αφού είδα τα παραπάνω μηνύματα, ρίξε μια ματιά εδώ και μετά εδώ. •NikoSilver• 23:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Ισαάκ/Σολωμού

Γεια! Απλή απορία μην το παρεξηγήσεις, δολοφονία είναι μόνο αν κάποιος είναι αξιωματούχος;--   Avg    19:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

jjik

please delete this document

--tony esopi patra^talk 13:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Καλημέρα και καλα χριστούγεννα. Εγώ είμαι ευγενικός μαζί σου και ας μου δημιούργησες πρόβλημα. έχω μάθη ότι ξέρης τούρκικα . είναι αλήθεια ;;; θέλω να με βοηθήσεις να μου μεταφράσεις κάποιες λέξεις. --tony esopi patra^talk 13:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Καλή χρονιά . Οι Κύπριοι χρήστες το λένε ότι ξέρης Τούρκικα, Πρόβλημα δεν υπάρχη , αλλά εγώ θα σε προσέχω γιατί είσαι άμυιαλος, χωρίς παρεξήγηση με την καλή ένοια το λέω. Τα τούρκικα τα θέλω και θέλω και την γνώμη σου ,Θέλω να βάλω στην ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια τα πρωταθλήματα των τουρκοκυπρίων και δεν μπορώ να μεταφράσω όλα τα ονόματα των ομάδων. Θέλω την γνώμη σου για να το κάνω ή όχι, και την βιηθειά σου βέβαια. Στην ελληνική βίκι που ρώτησα κάποιους συμφώνησαν ένας κύπριος που ρώτησα δεν μου απάντησε καθόλου.Επειδή εδώ δεν μπαίνω συχνά μπορείς να μου στέλνης μυνήματα και στην Ελληνική που είμαι κάθε μέρα εκεί. --tony esopi patra^talk 15:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Καλημέρα. Αυτά έχω κι εγώ. Κάποια ονόματα τα ξέρω κάποια άλλα όχι δεν μπορώ να τα μεταφράσω. Σε αυτό που λες έχεις δίκιο είναι άγνωστο πρωτάθλημα όσο τόσο όπως το λές όμως. Στην Βικιπαίδεια δεν υπάρχει το έχω ψάξη πουθενά σε καμία γλώσσα. Θα το αφήσω και βλέπουμε στο μέλλον.--tony esopi patra^talk 11:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please be careful as to how you use that word. Vandalism means inserting "fuck you" into an article, it doesn't cover content disputes. Please read my edit-summaries, "Turkish" doesn't mean "from Turkey". It is an ethnic designation. Do not remove relevant cats, like METU alumni, or interwikis, or info that needs to be there per WP:BIO, like birth dates and places etc. Cheers! Baristarim 20:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Please read my note above again. If your reasoning is correct, then there is no reason they should be included under "Cypriot etc" either, they are not citizens of the Republic of Cyprus, right? That's all. In any case, you are erasing a lot of important and relevant information, even interwikis. In fact, it is so much that even the VandalBot reverted you. Please be careful with 3RR as well. Please see WP:BIO as well. Thanks. Baristarim 20:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with them being under "Cypriot X". And do not politicize this issue as if you are trying to get one over someone :) I don't give a rat's ass about Denktash's grandsons. I have three passports, so what? The so-called "KKTC"? :) Well, it looks like I am not the one politicizing this issue. Nevertheless, the problem is you are deleting a lot of information that needs to be there. No, the VandalBot reverted you because you also deleted interwikis, alumni cats etc. Please read WP:BIO if you have not done so yet, do not erase information that needs to be there. You erased a whole birthdate and place information from one of the biographies. Baristarim 20:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

You didn't explain this [1], however. Not only you removed info that needs to be there per WP:BIO, you even removed the interwiki to Turkish Wikipedia!! If I wasn't assuming good faith, I would be suspecting some serious POV pushing there. Then you accuse me of being a vandal, give me a break man... Baristarim 21:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Nor this [2], where you removed METU alumni category, or this [3] where you even removed the Living people category, along with his birthdate and birthplace, that also is required to be there per Wikipedia policies. As I said, if I wasn't assuming good faith, I would be suspecting some serious sneaky POV pushing. Please do not make such disruptive edits in the future. Thanks. Baristarim 21:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it's ok, I have no problem with "Cypriot X" category. :) I hear your reasoning and as long as you are only going to modify the categories, then it's fine with me. In any case, I don't have much time to devote to this unfortunately. Cheers! Baristarim 21:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio

Yes, because of the text, most of it was lifted straight from the UEFA site without permission and constitutes a copyright problem. The only appropriate thing to do is to rewrite the article completely, from the beginning. Punkmorten 18:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Same goes for Ahmet Okan and Acar Akalın... Khoikhoi 21:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriot politicians

Turkish Cypriots just like the Turks of Turkey, unlike Greek Cypriots and Greeks who are European, are of Asian descent and therefore Asians. That is why I changed the category, despite the fact that Turkish Cypriot MPs are observers in the European Council and Parliament and other European organizations. Politically Cyprus ,particularly the internationally recognized Republic of Cyprus, as a member of the European Union and other European organizations is part of Europe while geographically it is in Asia. Though being Turkish Cypriot myself, the categorization was solely made on ethnic grounds and not on political grounds.

Kindest regards Saguamundi

Politeness is a must

How can you be certain that 99% of Turkish Cypriots feel European and want to join the European many don not. While the present Turkish Cypriot government still favors joining the European Union, the people are divided over the issue. After the Greek Cypriot population voted against the Annan Plan in 2004, the unification of Cyprus was also prevented. This infurated many Turkish Cypriots and the current Turkish Cypriot government. A great opportunity was lost that only entrenches the division of the island into a permanent one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saguamundi (talk • contribs) 16:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

Ενταξει

Πες μου τι χρειαζεται να κανω και κανω οτι μπορω. Στειλε μυνημα (στα ελληνικα) και σε αλλους ελληνες εδω μεσα.--KaragouniS 12:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok. An psaxneis kai alloys ellhnes, tha tous vreis edw:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:User_grc
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:User_grc-1

--KaragouniS 13:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Φιλε δεν βλεπω να βγαζουμε ακρη με τα τουρκαλια. Διαβασε απλα την απαντηση του τουρκου στην προταση μου - απαντα λες και κανει αυτος κουμαντο. Και οι αβανταδοροι αντιμινιστρειτορς κοιτανε την ησυχια τους και χεστηκαν για το σταμπ. Τι αλλο μπορουμε να κανουμε? Αν θες πες σε κανενα αλλο παιδι οπως στον NikoSilver μηπως μπορεσει να δωσει κανα χερακι για να ξαναμπει η σημαια στο σταμπ. Κοιτα και τα παραπανω λινκς.. --KaragouniS 14:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Saguamundi

Sure, what specifically do you want me to explain to him? Khoikhoi 06:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but why are you sending messages to others in Greek about the Cyprus-stub?? Is this a gang war? You could have a left a message at the GR-TR cooperation board, everybody would have been able to take a look. Baristarim 08:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

(abusive post by anon removed) Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

KRBN, I must second Baris' request. Sending messages to multiple users solicting like-minded input for an ongoing dispute is highly frowned upon anyway; doing it in a foreign language is even worse style. Please don't do that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. Khoikhoi 05:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

cyprus stub

Can you plse translate? I dont speak greek--Slogankid 15:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

can u explain or give me a link please?--Slogankid 18:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

A certain comment of yours

Hi KRBN

I just noticed this comment of yours. [4]. Since you must be referring to Grutness and myself, it would have been a nice courtesy if you'd confronted us with this claim rather than posting it to others first. Not that it is any of your business; I'm not pro-Turk, nor am I pro-Greek and I am quite sure Grutness feels the same way. Since your post seems to concern him as well, I've sent Grutness a message about this. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 23:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again.

I accept your apology and I appreciate your honesty. What annoyed me wasn't as much being labelled a pro-Turk, since I can't really stop others from accusing me of bias anyway if they feel that way. What offended me was noticing that the message looked very much like a translation of a previous message written in Greek. As long as I'm on the English Wikipedia, I avoid using my own language unless the matter is completely harmless and would be complicated unnecessarily by using the English language. E.g. I discussed Scandinavian copyright laws in Danish the other day, but I don't discuss political issues using my own language. I don't know why you consider Grutness to be anti-Cypriot. Regarding the stub template both he and I try to avoid getting a {{TRNC-stub}} since that will open a can of worms and possibly lead to neverending revert wars with similar templates regarding articles for a dozen nations. Consequently we try to have templates that won't become objects of edit wars. If {{TRNC-stub}} passes then {{Kosovo-stub}} and {{Chechnya-stub}} will be next and we already have {{Transnistria-stub}}, and {{Somaliland-stub}}, both of which are headaches of their own and both really annoy me. We've finally managed to get rid of {{Ossetia-stub}} and it looks like {{Abkhazia-stub}} will go the same way. Since I've sorted many thousands of articles, I'd be very sad seing much of this work undone in a series of edit wars. I understand how you feel about your flag, you love your country just like I love mine. If I knew a solution that would mean that the Cypriot material could be contained within one set of categories / stub templates and still use the UN-recognized flag, I would support it. Unfortunately, I am not too optimistic in that regard, which is why I supported the no-image solution since this solution has been used on controversial material before ({{WesternSahara-stub}}). It is far from elegant but I find this the lesser of two evils. I'm pretty sure we agree that a two-flag template is out of the question? Moving to a different track: If the mess about the politicians doesn't end, I'll suggest that you make a post to WP:WSS and ask them about how to categorize Cyprus properly continent-wise. In that respect, I remember Grutness as being the strongest supporter that the island belongs to Europe rather than Asia and I don't remember anyone arguing strongly otherwise. The mess could have been helped if we'd had a stub template for Cypriot politicians, which could - if necessary - feed into both the European and Asian categories, just like we do for the Turkish material. But you have already guessed why I've never proposed neither this template nor a -bio template. {{Cyprus-stub}} was my first proposal on WP:WSS and I've since regretted this many times seeing how controversial this template became. Another possibility regarding the politician material would be to return it to {{Politician-stub}}. I've only left countries that are hard to categorize in this category: Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. If you don't like this solution, I'd suggest that you try the talk page of WP:WSS. I agree that at the end of the day, Cyprus is most logically categorized under Europe and all indications I've seen say that WP:WSS feels the same way. Regards. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 23:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Kiriako vale ena ilektroniko taxidromio mesa na milisoume. Aristovoul0s 15:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Constantinos Makrides

If you have an issue with the AFD closure, you can file a deletion review, although the consensus was vastly in favor of keeping the article. The fact that he played for the Cyprus national team is valid for WP:BIO, as StephP stated during the AFD discussion. It really isn't a decision that requires someone well-versed in football. --Coredesat 19:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, I'm not sure what you could do in DRV, since the keep result would probably be endorsed. You could bring it up on the talk page for WP:BIO, since it is a guideline and is somewhat flexible - you might be able to get a discussion going. --Coredesat 22:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Cyprus Stubs

--i am ready for that i can do them in each weekends

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Jhabib 19:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)