User talk:Jpacobb
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Matthew 5:17-48
Hi, any comments on Talk:Expounding_of_the_Law#AfD.3F? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 19:10, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Seeking your opinion
Hi, I have looked at God in Christianity and I think it can at best be described as "neglected". Although that has the fortunate implication that there is no contention or debate, the page seems to be suffering from pure neglect - images and templates thrown around at random, unsourced sections - and it is anyone's guess how correct the content may be.
Of course God's page gets viewed only 12,000 times a month (compared to over 600,000 for Johnny Depp) but that is still a key page for WikiProject Christianity and should be in much better shape. I have started a discussion on the talk page there, and your comments will be appreciated. I have also asked Esoglou and StAnselm to comment so if you could discuss the issues together and suggest improvements, or even better improve the page that would be great. Thanks History2007 (talk) 14:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Churchmanship
I removed the only citation on the page earlier today because it was a Wikipedia mirror, and when I noticed that someone had edited the page after I did, I wondered if someone disagreed and had restored it. What a change! I'm looking forward to your planned improvements; have you considered doing a DYK of it? Nyttend (talk) 21:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
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| Jpaccob, I award you The Christianity Barnstar for all your hard work in WikiProject Christianity related articles! Keep up the good work! Your efforts are making a difference here! With regards, AnupamTalk 02:43, 18 June 2012 (UTC) |
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Perpetual curate
Hi, from over the water due east of you. I thought a copy edit involved improving presentation of the content rather than wholesale slaughter of the content! I'm going to write to you on the talk page there. By the way I think you may remove those dablink notifications but not the other correspondence on here except you may sweep it 'under a carpet' into an archive where it is less prominent. I don't know how to do that, it was organised for me and so happens (to mine) automatically. Eddaido (talk) 23:19, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
- For apology + response see Talk:Perpetual curate#History
Christian monism
Hi Jpacobb. I noticed you received a Christmas-greeting from History2007; good company. Would you be able to rwrite the section on Christian monism? (I hope I'm not offending you in case you wrote those esctions!) They are ver specific, and hard to comprehend, while they contain little information on the "common" point of view of Christianity on monism. Greetings, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Perichoresis TOC changes
You propose an alternate nesting? How would it preserve topic content without proliferating unnecessary new articles? There are linkages that can be made to perfectly acceptable existing material, ie "if it aint broken, don't fix it" (see agreement to Trinity article linkage, that's an article in need of tidying up)MrsKrishan (talk) 19:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Responding To Your Message To Me, Concerning List Of Religious Founders
I am not the one who wrote "Blood right of religious inheritance" in the article on the list of religious founders. I have never even heard of such expression. I included many religious figures & the religions that they founded, such as Moses being the Founder of Judaism.--Splashen (talk) 03:11, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I did reintroduce Abraham, Moses, & St. John the Baptist, because of their significance in founding certain faiths. Abraham is the Father Figure of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, & Baha'i. Moses is the Prophet that is largely responsible for the Founding of Judaism, & St. John the Baptist is considered the the founder of Mandaeism.--Splashen (talk) 19:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Monism
Apologies for the inconvenience. I've responded at the Talk Page and the copyright-page. Greetings, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:26, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Comma Johanneum
It's certainly time to close the discussion. The guidelines at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment say it can be closed by "any uninvolved registered user", but this explicitly exclude me as the re-assessment nominator. StAnselm (talk) 02:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Title = "Authorized or King James Version"?
I am contacting you because you seem to be a long-running contributor to the Authorized King James Version article and I'd like your opinion before going any further with my idea of changing the title. I see no point in starting a long-running "edit-wrangle" if the odds are stacked against a change. My basic concern is that the current title is what might be politely called a "theoretical hybrid" (it does seem to be used by one or more publishers possibly to save printing different editions for each side of the Atlantic) but standard usage seems to be either AV or KJV (largely the latter to judge from Yahoo search results). My basic concerns are that the current title is inaccurate, and therefore unencyclopaedic, and has also produced some improper linking (see for example, Middle_English_Bible_translations and Godhead_in_Christianity). You might also be interested in the following conversation [User_talk:Johnbod#AV_vs_KJV] which touches on this and other concerns about the article. Jpacobb (talk) 20:42, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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- As you will have guessed, there have been repeated discussions on this subject on the talk page - though you may need to go back through a lot of archive material to find all the relevant opionions. In principle one might say that, as the article refers to a 'British' subject, so the title should reflect 'British' published scholarly usage; which until recently would strongly favour the form 'Authorized Version'. However, this Bible version has also a major (and independent) history in the United States; and internet search would certainly find 'King James Bible' as prediminating in scholarship there. It is noticeable that the recent 400 years celebrations - though UK centred - used the latter form.
- On the other hand, specificity is important for encyclopaedic usage; this Bible has a 'standard' form, and that is the Oxford text originating in 1769. It is the Oxford standard text that is found in Wikisource; and that text is published bu OUP with the title 'Authorized King James Version'. If you go into a bookshop, or on the internet, and search for an 'Authorized King James Version' Bible, you can be sure of getting the primary text to which the article and Wikisource refers.
- There is the added problem that if - on the contrary - you search for a complete 'King James Bible'; or 'King James Version', you almost certainly will not get the text discussed in the article. A few years ago (in pursuit of just this matter) I checked in a local Christian bookshop, and not one of the books sold as the 'King James Bible' included the books of the Apocrypha - although most of them claimed to be 'complete'. Indeed, I suspect that the vast majority of 'King James Bible' references that you find in an internet search denote this shorter text. We might perhaps have two articles; one called 'Authorized Version' for the English Bible including the Apocrypha; and one called 'King James Bible' for the English Bible without Apocrypha. But personally, I think the current arrangement is more specific, more accurate and less confusing. Hope this helps TomHennell (talk) 10:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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- Thank you for a prompt reply on my user-talk-page: very clear and to the point! It seems that the current title is probably the least unacceptable option. Jpacobb (talk) 16:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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- When a titling issue has been knocked around some time ago, it is often worth revisiting it, just to check whether the current solution remains valid. It is certainly the case that 'King James Bible' is increasing in usage in UK scholarship to denote this Bible. However (and checking my local bookshop again) the form 'Authorized King James Version'is also achieving wider currency. For instance, the Collins 400 anniversary edition of the 'King James Bible' has on its title page a note that the text used is that of the 'Authorised King James Version'. I found a CUP edition of the 'KJV Apocrypha' which had a similar title page note. It seems that the form 'Authorized (or Authorised) King James Version' is now becoming standard form for denoting a bible presenting the 1769 Oxford Standard Text; as distinct from other AV/KJV texts; such as that found in the Caambridge Paragraph Bible. TomHennell (talk) 23:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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Perpetual curate again
A comment and a question. Comment "stipendiary priest is a dead link". Qn. Do you have a good source for "stipendiary priest, whose employment could be terminated at will by their patron"? While it may depend on the definition of stipendiary priest, if not a perpetual curate, a s.p. would presumably be an assistant curate and as such licensed an incumbent and subject to dismissal by him rather than a patron (whether clerical or lay). Jpacobb (talk) 19:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- I was intending to contrast the position of a perpetual curate with that of a stipendiary priest in a proprietary chapel - perhaps a good idea to be more specific. Ministers in proprietary chapels had no constitutional rights versus their patron at all, who could dismiss them at will. Their license could also be terminated at will by the diocesan. The incumbent's permission was needed for the license to be issued; but so far as I am aware, the incumbent would not thereafter be able to secure the stipendiary priest's dismissal by withdrawing that permission.
- Alternatively, I suppose, the pereptual curate might be contrasted with an assistant curate serving a non-resident incumbent (or, I suppose, serving a dpendent chapelry before the 19th century). I presume that is more the case that you are thinking of.
- Eiether way, the point is that perpetual curates had secure tenure, even before they were recognised with a formal benefice. TomHennell (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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- I fully agree that perpetual cs. had security of tenure. My question concerned the possibility of a patron dismissing a priest. So far as proprietary chapels are concerned, I don't think they had a legal patron at all. According to the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, proprietary chapels had no constitutional existence and therefore presumably no patron in the accepted legal sense of the word. Their ministers were episcopally licensed (but the bishop had to get the incumbent of the parish to agree to its being issued) and the bishop could revoke it at will. Private chapels in schools, hospitals etc. (at least since 1871) are independent of the parochial incumbent so far as the cure-of-souls of the inmates is concerned but the minister must be episcopally licensed. A quick check on patronage makes me think that legally only benefices had patrons, since patronage is "the right to appoint to a benefice". I hope this helps. Jpacobb (talk) 23:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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- In a proprietary chapel, the proprieter is the patron; it is they who present the priest to the bishop for licensing. In parishes, the 'right to nominate to a benefice' is only a residual component of once much more extensive powers that patrons could exercise of those churches - 'eigenkirchen' - that they owned. TomHennell (talk) 00:03, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, Jpacobb. I noticed this edit you made to the Perichoresis article is using the {{citation needed}} template incorrectly. The inline templates do not support "paragraph" mode. You need the banner-style templates for that. See the {{citation needed}} for documentation. Cheers, Jason Quinn (talk) 02:42, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Newsletter
Hi, I noticed you are not on this list. From June 2013 there is a new "in focus... " format, etc. that refer to some articles of interest. Please just take a look at the June issue (should be released soon) and see. You just need to add your name to the list here. They are also offering a 3 month money back guarantee deal next week. History2007 (talk) 18:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- By the way, the next 12-15 issues have basic content if you want to look in the same type of subdirectories as the June 2013 type link, e.g. [1]. The idea there was to bring Jesus back into focus for the project. I had heard of the saying about some people who go to church thinking of so many things that they miss Christ, so that was the idea; given that the project is at times looking at obscure details of denominational differences, etc. and seems to have forgotten Him. I will have to go away (away) next week, but your involvement in the project will certainly help keep it alive. Cheers and best wishes. History2007 (talk) 18:39, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
