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Revere, Missouri citations

Brew8028 (talk) 18:25, 13 February 2012 (UTC)Thanks for your interest in the Revere, Missouri article. In regards to your request for additional citations, much of the historic information for Revere was gleaned from an unpublished book that I was able to review from a visit I had with a long-time Revere resident currently living in the Clark County Senior Housing development in Kahoka. I'm sorry that this book is not in an electronic format to allow for direct reference. If I can be of any further assistance, please let me know.

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page about Jim Mitteager and the changes I suggested

Hi - I just saw your message to me about the modification of the page on Jim Mitteager. I am his daughter (is that reliable enough?) and he did not die of lung cancer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wendyhop (talk • contribs) 21:56, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

The article published in the Los Angeles magazine is incorrect. We are the Mitteager family and know the truth. I will keep changing the page.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wendyhop (talk • contribs) 22:40, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

This is typical of media. Incorrect information is published, and journalists continue to spread it. I am Wendy Mitteager, his daughter. I only know of the information published that is incorrect based on interviews with Barresi. Barresi did not tell the truth.

I have seen on Wikipedia "disputed information" - if you insist on including false information on this page, you must say it is disputed. Or omit the information.

I will continue to delete this information as he is my father and I owe it to him to do this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wendyhop (talk • contribs) 23:13, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Why do you care so much about publishing false information about my father? I don't understand your relationship to this information.

I am just trying to correct false information.

You reported me to another user? I didn't do anything wrong. You are wrong because you are perpetuating false information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wendyhop (talk • contribs) 23:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Andrea

Hi Andrea. I reverted WLU and Bali ultimate's edits to your BLP, and I have sided with you at the Neutral point of view noticeboard. I hope this is what you want. Luwat (talk) 06:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

An/I

I've mentioned you here [1].Bali ultimate (talk) 22:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Cebull's birthplace

Hi, Andrea, just a heads up in case you didn't notice. The official biography of Cebull (see the external link) says he was born in Billings, which is why the article said Billings. So, your change means we have conflicting sources. I'm leaving it alone because I suspect your local source is probably more accurate than the Federal Judicial Center's bio. Also, your source is an entertaining read.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:04, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

You are welcome to footnote the discrepancy. As the law scholar in the cited article states, "he deserves to be judged on his entire long life and legal record, not just a glaring slipup." Too bad Wikipedia policies in this regard are ignored in favor of recentism and lack of proportional significance. Many editors prefer to linger over irrelevant details that get them riled up versus actual accomplishments. Also FYI, I prefer the handle Jokestress on here to distinguish from the bio about me. Thanks for your work on BLPs. Jokestress (talk) 22:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll try to remember about the handle. I don't intend to footnote it. I'll leave it to others more nit-picky than I (and there are a few).--Bbb23 (talk) 22:21, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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I'm still trying to do what I can about your biography. I've asked SlimVirgin if she can help. Luwat (talk) 03:41, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

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Your biography

Hi Jokestress, I'm active on your biography again. You might want to comment on the talk page. Luwat (talk) 22:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

FYI

FYI: I mentioned you at AN/3RR[2] BitterGrey (talk) 16:45, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

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Wole Soyinka

Hi Jokestress - Thanks for your barnstar for my changes to Soyinka articles - you know what it's like: I got interested and had to keep going from one to another. Still work to do, but thanks again.Parkwells (talk) 21:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Re: Chernorizets Jacob?

Hi, Jokestress. According to what I found on Google Books, the person described lived in the 11th century. For instance, something called the Slavic Encyclopedia (Moscow: Olma Press, 2005) says that "He lived, according to the conjectures of Metropolitan Macarius, in the 70s-80s of the XI century" [4]. My Russian may be helpful here, although I do not possess any kind of knowledge about the subject myself, so obviously I have not done any research in the area. I am not sure where you found 6th-century dates - possibly looking at the claim I would let me tell you something more. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 22:21, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Looks like different monks. Jacob Chernorizets is also notable as an early Russian writer known for an ode to Vladimir the Great, who lived in the 10th-11th centuries and is known for his conversion of Russia in 988. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 23:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thousand Island dressing and 'well-known'

Actually that is incorrect. 'Well-known' precedes a noun which it describes. 'Well known' is used for anything that contains 'by, as, etc.'. So the correction was no mistake. The proper usage has been discussed before. I actually discussed it before I made that edit as to whether or not it was correct. From previous discussion and consultation of its usage the proper usage is 'well known by' not 'well-known by'. The hyphen is used for 'well-known actress' because 'well known actress' is used as an adjective whereas the usage in the text was not being used as an adjective. That is the difference. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:12, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Oops, you're right. Sorry! Jokestress (talk) 19:47, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

No worries. Doesn't hurt to double check or ask about those weird hyphen rules! ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:58, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Biografies of living people

Hi. Encyclopedia is not victimization "even when the material is well-sourced." Please see Talk:Sun_Myung_Moon, respect the privacy of the living person, who dislikes very personal tragedies like deaths of children (neither carcrashes nor suicides nor get-revenge-memoirs of the daughter-in-law which is described in details on late Hyo Jin Moon-article, the same applies to Heung Jin Moon). Avoid demonizing: WP:ATTACK. Wikipedia is not a tabloid, besides, it's not so good for professional journalist as you to mention all of it above in Wikipedia from viewpoint of Journalism ethics and standards). Thanks Borovv (talk) 18:40, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Sun Myung Moon . Borovv (talk) 02:39, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Please do not threaten me with the possibility of being blocked as you did here.[5] You are in the noticeboard for BLP violation, not me, so it's unapropriate of you to recommend me smth: i am flattered, thanks, but i dont need that - it's an administrator's jurisdiction to deside a block, not yours, not mine. Please follow a WP:COMMONSENSE: the last source actually does not say about adultery, it says about misunderstanding because of possible translation hardships and power misuse from court officials, but you put the misleading citation torn out of context. See WP:COI, WP:ATTACK and WP:NEEDSMOARDRAMA. DONT FORGET WP:BLP. Borovv (talk) 07:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

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Imbecile etc.

My problem with the stuff you mention is that it is secondary material, i.e. material about a topic, which is in itself original. I write stuff like that all the time, but not on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a tertiary source: it's supposed to sit on top of and collate existing secondary research. Imbecile was an article that involved a collation of points about imbecility that constituted an original attempt to give an overview of the area. I salute your attempts to do that, but that is a scholarly effort that should be performed somewhere else prior to the establishment of an area such that it is appropriate to have a Wikipedia article about it. I personally greatly disagree with the sentiment that 'something is better than nothing'. esperant 02:17, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

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Jodie Foster

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Hyo Jin Moon

Sorry. My mistake to shortcut the process. I will paste the two articles together as I should have done. Borock (talk) 22:14, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar

Hey Andrea (Jokestress)! I would really like to thank you for your years of dedication and hard work here on improving Wikipedia and being one of the finest and best contributors it has ever had ;) I really don't know what more better thing to award you than this awesome barnstar! A true Wikipedian like you is always a real asset to the project :) Good luck and all the best for your work in life and on Wikipedia! TheGeneralUser (talk) 15:07, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Reply to your message

Hi Jokestress I do work for Save the Rhino but the reason for editing the Save the Rhino page was because we became aware that the information was very out of date and therefore misleading about us and I think people do read this page to find out about the organisation. The major changes were the Trustees/Patrons who have changed significantly. I did add in some more links and formatting but I appreciate that it needs to be monitored. If Wikipedia reverses the changes what should I do? In addition I tried to add links to the rhino species pages as the website appeared as an information source on some but not all of the rhino species pages. Perhaps we are not allowed to do this which I would understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.43.118 (talk) 12:44, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For the great job you are doing. I keep running into pages you have edited and thinking "that's good..."

Guy Macon (talk) 02:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Guy! Jokestress (talk) 03:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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OTRS review question

Hi! I noticed you in the edits on Clint Catalyst - you certainly have a lot of editing experience! The main picture on the article (which has an archived permission ticket) has been moved to Wikipedia Commons by a bot, and another image from the article was recently deleted. I'm picking my battles here, so I'm not worried about the second image, but as far as the main picture's status goes...I tried to fix it myself, but didn't understand - what needs to be done for it to go back to normal status? Right now, it's not showing up on the Facebook page anymore because of it. Thanks in advance! Feather Jonah (talk) 01:30, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't deal with the image people any more. It's a nightmare. I limit myself to adding images I made myself or images from before 1920. Jokestress (talk) 03:55, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks...

I just wanted to say thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathnarg (talk • contribs) 06:40, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note and barnstar below! Jokestress (talk) 13:25, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for your support. I appreciate it. --RJR3333 (talk) 03:34, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. It's difficult if not impossible to have a productive discussion about revisions and expansions in this topic area because of a handful of editors who think they WP:OWN these topics. I would urge you to be extremely cautious in interacting with any of them, as they will attempt to get you blocked or banned because you propose changes to "their" materials. Eysenck had some good materials about definitional problems surrounding this topic, which should be in the article. Please keep trying, but I recommend remaining civil and trying to reach consensus before adding materials to articles. You will find these editors to be very, very difficult to work with. That's why the article has had no substantive expansion or improvement in years. I don't want to see you get blocked or banned, which is a very real possibility. If you'd like help with something, let me know. We are trying to retain editors these days, as we are all allegedly here to build this into the sum of human knowledge. I don't want you to get discouraged or forced off the project because of this. Jokestress (talk) 03:52, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Could I ask you to review my contributions to the underage/pedo project. Because I've been accused of bias by both sides. One of the editors accused me of having a bias in favor of it being 18 (which I don't understand, because my position is actually that it should be 16) and two (Malke2010 and off2riorob/youreallycan) have accused me of having a bias that it should be 16. Do you see either bias in my edits?--RJR3333 (talk) 04:06, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

The best thing you can do on these articles is to propose changes on the talk pages based on a citation in a published source. Your opinion on the definition is not relevant, as that's the problem with someone like Flyer22. We are supposed to represent the range of verifiable information from published sources. There is no one "true" answer, as our goal here is verifiability, not truth. Eysenck and others have pointed out that even among "experts," definitions are so variable that comparing studies is compromised. The terminology in this area is all over the place, and the best we can do is show the range of information in the published sources. Some of your edits appear to conflate a number of issues surrounding definitional axes of age, puberty, and consent. Stick to the sources to back up any proposed changes. Otherwise you will find this process to be more tedious than it will be otherwise. Jokestress (talk) 04:55, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

But could you answer my question about whether either of these biases are shown in my edits?--RJR3333 (talk) 06:13, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Several of your edits appear to constitute original research. Any changes to these controversial topics need to be quotations for reliable sources, with the exact citation formatted per our guidelines. I would not add anything on these topics unless you are quoting or carefully summarizing a previously published reliable source. If you have a specific diff you'd like me to review, please provide it. Jokestress (talk) 06:21, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, but what I'm asking about is bias. Do you see a bias?--RJR3333 (talk) 06:38, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I see some issues with how you present some definitions, some of which indicate you support certain views. If your edits only support one point of view or you actively seek to censor the full range of published information, I would classify that as a bias. I am reluctant to call out editors for bias unless there is a long pattern of problems, as is the case with someone like Flyer22. To me, it appears you are acting in good faith to expand and clarify materials, but some of your edits and arguments need to be more firmly grounded in policy. If you have a specific edit or series of edits you'd like me to review, please provide them. Jokestress (talk) 06:50, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Age_of_consent_reform&offset=&limit=500&action=history In the beginning off2riorob/youreallycan said "you appear to have a level of bias that is so opinionated as to be unable to contribute" to the age of consent/age of majority articles "in a neutral tone or in a manner beneficial to their content" because he said I was to biased in favor of the age of consent being 16 (at least that's what I think he meant based on my patters editing the article back in September 2011 and earlier but this other user says now that I'm to biased in favor of it being 18, which I think may partially have happened because I was being careful to avoid the earlier opposite bias. In the history of my editing this article do you detect either bias. --RJR3333 (talk) 07:13, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

This is an excellent series of edits. This series appears to remove some historical context and is not as good. I do not see any bias in any of those edits, though. They all seem solidly based on references, though I did not look up each one. Jokestress (talk) 09:03, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

User:Flyer22 has threatened to topic ban me. What should I do? --RJR3333 (talk) 15:12, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry too much if you are being conscientious about working toward consensus and sticking to good sourcing. She resorts to things like sockpuppetry and other disruptions from time to time here. I recommend reading WP:COOL and and focusing solely on article content. Do not comment on her actions, don't try to "win" if she accuses you of some nonsense or brings up past conflicts. Her ongoing behavior will lead to another block for her or worse if she persists in bothering you. Ignore her as much as possible and focus on improving articles. If she starts to annoy you so much that you are tempted to respond in kind, take a break, work on other topics, etc. She won't be here forever. Jokestress (talk) 15:49, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

If she does nominate me for a topic ban or report me for stalking her will you defend me and try to get other users to? --RJR3333 (talk) 19:01, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Not if you keep WP:CANVASsing everyone you can think of. Please stick with improving articles and don't sink to her level of sockpuppets and tattling and canvassing for support. You are making things worse. Jokestress (talk) 03:16, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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	Nice work updating Tam O'Shaughnessy. Bearian (talk) 14:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Bearian! Jokestress (talk) 08:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Eat muhr brgrz

Nice rewrite on the LGBT section of CfA Fasttimes68 (talk) 02:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Fasttimes68! Jokestress (talk) 03:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh my. I just read your user page. Make that a soy burger. Fasttimes68 (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

As long as it's real cheese, not vegan... Jokestress (talk) 21:30, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Chick-fil-A

Hi, your edit here combined the WSJ and Guidestar references, and now the convenience link is the same for both. I tried fixing it a couple of times without success. Can you give it a try? Thanks, 72Dino (talk) 22:47, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Those are bulleted because an editor said on the talk page the article had citation overkill. It's a standard style thing we do on those occasions. Jokestress (talk) 23:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

No, the bullets are fine. It's just that when you click on the convenience link to the WSJ article it takes you to a PDF of the Form 990 instead of the article "Chick-fil-A's Long Christian Heritage." 72Dino (talk) 00:27, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Ohhhh I see - fixed. Thanks! Jokestress (talk) 00:32, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

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Just came around to say Hi :). Regards and Happy Editing! TheGeneralUser (talk) 21:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thank You!

Dear Jokestress, I did not know about the rule and I promise to follow it,(I don't know to many but it only put in stuff I know or read). I don't know how to put refrences yet, but I look up that. The Gravity Falls info was from the Gravity Falls Wiki on the Wendy page. I am sorry and I wont put anything made-up or un-mention.

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The Scissor Fits and The Oregon Song

Hi Jokestress :). I recently came across these two articles, The Scissor Fits and The Oregon Song and have found them to barely meet the Wikipedia stub requirements, although not fully. Both the articles have been on Wikipedia for almost 4 years since the end of 2008, but hardly any major article development or improvement has been done in both the articles. Also both the articles do not have any reliable sources and references, none so far. I am not sure if theses articles should be tagged for deletion. As you are an experienced editor, i have requested your help for article building, development and improvement if it is possible. I have also posted about this issue on Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard. Regards! TheGeneralUser (talk) 12:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi TheGeneralUser. The former fails Wikipedia:Notability (music) and the latter appears to be a hoax created by a sockpuppet of a banned user. I prodded both articles. Thanks! Jokestress (talk) 13:05, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Jokestress! Thanks for your quick reply :). Looks like these articles can't be improved anyways will eventually get deleted as one already has. Good decision for tagging the articles, i would have probably also done the same, but i needed to review it from another experienced editor . Thank you for your help! TheGeneralUser (talk) 19:16, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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Pregnancy from rape‎

I just want to say, you've done a very nice job cleaning up the article. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Mr. Vernon! Jokestress (talk) 06:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Seconded, excellent work! — Cirt (talk) 23:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Cirt! Jokestress (talk) 23:57, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

You're most welcome, — Cirt (talk) 01:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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Agh, so sorry - I don't know what I was thinking (considering I live and breathe this stuff anyway!) Theopolisme _:) 05:04, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks very much for your formatting and referencing help here at the article Donkey puncher! Glad to see we share a mutual interest in research of logging and steam power. ;) Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 23:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Cirt! I grew up near a rail line, and my home town had a factory with the last operational steam engine in its industry. Don't know too much beyond that, though. I came to the topic from a disambiguation page I created. Those things sound dangerous! Jokestress (talk) 23:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Heh, indeed. And great idea on the disambig. ;) — Cirt (talk) 01:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Glad you caught the double entendre... Jokestress (talk) 02:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. I'm a big fan of writing about freedom of speech and improving articles relating it and freedom of the press, just not necessarily what the speech itself might be describing in all instances. ;) — Cirt (talk) 03:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

That is exactly why I am here. Perhaps at some point soon we can examine some extremely controversial topics where moral panic reigns. Jokestress (talk) 04:02, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Yip, that's it. — Cirt (talk) 10:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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Do you plan to disclose your real name? I do not support anonymous/pseudonymous users obtaining enhanced editing privileges. Jokestress (talk) 20:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for any misunderstanding Jokestress, but i am not asking to vote on an RfA. And i believe every user has the right to be Anonymous and they are not required to disclose their personal identity if they do not wish to do so as also given on Wikipedia:Username policy. It's your wish if you want to review me or not and i am not forcing anyone to do it, it was just a kind request. Thank you. TheGeneralUser (talk) 20:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for your article on Charles Tylor. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 16:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, Vernon39! Thanks for your improvements! Jokestress (talk) 17:07, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you

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No problem; it's a great article BTW! Jokestress (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm so glad you share my interest in hardboiled crime fiction relating to pugilism. :) — Cirt (talk) 18:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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Testing now. Jokestress (talk) 02:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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Could you point me to the place in DRM-IV TR where they use the term normative? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.69.64.244 (talk) 21:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Please create an account. Normal means something different than normative, and normative is the correct word here. It's a matter of absolute (normal) vs. relative (normative). The term first came up in DSM III-R; I had the wrong version off the top of my head. Per Money's work, "DSM-III-R describes paraphilias as characterized by arousal in response to sexual objects or situations that are not part of normative arousal-activity patterns." Secondary source: Sexual Behavior: Problems and Management. (1993) The DSM-5 draft maintains the normative/non-normative distinction present in previous versions: "This approach leaves intact the distinction between normative and non-normative sexual behavior, which could be important to researchers, but without automatically labeling non-normative sexual behavior as psychopathological." Normative is correct. Also, please create an account. Jokestress (talk) 21:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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How is it replaceable? There isn't any at the current time. I am adding it back --Camilo Sánchez Talk to me 03:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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Doris Fleischman

Thanks for message, I see you have recreated the article in an acceptable form. A speedy deletion of Doris Fleischman you made is being discussed online. — it's usual to give a link to the discussion as well as notifying involved parties.

I notice that I omitted to give an edit summary, very unusual when I speedy delete, but an oversight for which I apologise. I should have put the heavily pov and non-neutral nature of the text as a reason. The article had been tagged by previous editors as "spam", "essay-like" and a "fansite", so I was hardly alone in viewing it as heavily promotional. Just to give a flavour, the opening paragraph read Most commonly known as the wife of Public Relations Pioneer Edward Bernays, Doris Fleischman was a pioneer in her own right. Both as a PR professional and as a career woman in a time of gender barriers, Fleischman overcame great boundaries to provide much of the background and initial support for tactics commonly used in PR today. While forgotten by many for a number of decades, recent PR scholars have started to bring her life and contribution into light for recognition.

Her notability wasn't an issue, there was simply to point going to AfD for text which needed rewriting from scratch to be acceptable.

I'm not prepared to restore the deleted text in the article, but if you would like it in a sandbox of your choice, let me know. If you want me to contribute to the "discussion" mentioned in your message, can you let me know where it is? Thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:53, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I would have thought it was for the prof to have explained to his students how to write a neutral, properly sourced academic article in any forum, instead of just sending them out to play on Wikipedia, and also to contact the admins concerned to discuss why their articles were being rejected. We have a whole class of students working with the Bird Project without this sort of problem, and although they sometimes get things wrong, they are interacting with established members to make useful contributions. The difference is that they were properly briefed by their tutor. What we have here is a lazy academic who hasn't bothered to read the rules himself, let alone tell his students what they need to do. Unfortunately, it's the students who lose out while he rants. I notice his concern and academic rigour doesn't extend to contacting me to find out what the problem was. I'm not losing any sleep over this, and you might do better contacting him to tell him what he is doing wrong than suggesting I change Wikipedia policy because some incompetent teacher is throwing a wobbly. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Whilst I may have been rude about the prof, I'm not aware that I have said anything inappropriate or offensive to you. I think you are wrong, but that's hardly an "attitude". If I've said anything that's upset you, I apologise. I simply don't think that allowing unfixable pov to go to AFD is appropriate just because someone is notable. Most of the pop groups who post here aren't notable, but some are. That doesn't mean that their press releases are going to avoid speedy deletion. As I say, I feel sorry for the students, but "well-intentioned" isn't the same as well-prepared. If you think I've handled this incorrectly, or I've been offensive to you, you could always go to ANI for arbitration. And the offer to post you the deleted text still holds, although I understand that it's the principle rather than the text that you are concerned about. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Association for Women in Communications

Hi. I noticed the red link on the Doris Fleischman article for the Association for Women in Communications, so I made a stub for the organization. Could you take a look and double check my work? Thanks ;) -- Eclipsed (talk) (email) (coi) 23:16, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks pretty good! Their membership numbers have halved since the mid-1990s, and they are currently managed by a nonprofit management firm with numerous clients via an office in Alexandria, Virginia. Their site has some more history stuff we could corroborate in other sources, but that's a nice start! Jokestress (talk) 23:41, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

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Appreciate it! The inconsistent numbering was complicating disambiguations. Several of those sonnets (especially Batter my heart) could use standalone articles at some point. Jokestress (talk) 02:28, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

David Wynn Miller edit out

jokestress Having never contributed only to find my contribution deleted in short order though factual in content. I feel a bit crest fallen. I will need to read your structure more closely if i chose to ever contribute again. most likely not. given not one word stuck. Do I need to have an article published then reference it? The federal court record is published an the public record a factual source to reference. a gold mine full of factual data. What am I not understanding? original thought.... I'm stuck with an excess of that. This man makes people his victims... a lot of people that trust him and do not know any better. He takes their money by sells false hope. He exploits that trust and there lack of knowledge. and harvested (his own words)them only for them to find out too late he has just made their wallet lighter and their position worse, because not enough truth is out there on the web with references to factual sources to draw the actual conclusions hidden from them by the gaff em in bull shit dog an pony show he sucker them into believing. pacer is such a place Not feeling very encouraged.---- my key pad does not have any tildes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A H BALONE (talk • contribs)

well ti nice to know your a real person anyway i getting your position and will try to approch it that way. it not about buying his "package" it more than that. I do not consider myself a writer per say. in fact writing is one of the more difficult tasks being disabled. this issue is about predatory abuse of one powers to persuade this is about people in tough spot with there property or home on the line perhaps their life saving entangled in same. About getting suckered into a well tailored fraud.About someone who make cannon fodder out of everyone who buys into the con. about guilty knowledge that all of these filings fail, go no were and leave there victims worse off in all cases. A charismatic, calculated predator. I'll figure out a way to get some articles written by providing an author for a publication to look into this charlatan. he may have had some valid point but this way and means tints all that was worth considering. and reduces it to the lever of a con. He doing perhaps 15-30k a week with this con.

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Shemale NOTAFORUM

Hello! Cheers on the NOTAFORUM mention. In hindsight, your comment and edit were good ways of defusing an unwanted influence on the article without making a big deal about it. I felt like it was a bad idea to leave bad reasoning unaddressed on the talk page, since I've gotten an impression that the talk page can really set the tone for the article.

In this case I should have figured that the edit being discussed had been resolved, but could you direct me on a better guide to the line between talking and being a forum? It seems like, if bad reasoning is being provided for edits, showing the flaw in that reasoning is the Talking that a Talk page is made for. If the flaws in the reasoning are based on poor information on the subject matter, then it seems like that necessarily involves some forum-ing. WP:NOTAFORUM didn't seem very clear on what that line is.

Cheers. Triacylglyceride (talk) 06:52, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

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Why thank you kindly *blush*. I'll polish it up and put it on the shelf. :-)

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Hi, Sorry for the mistake I have done. I will be careful in future.

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Hi, Thank you so much for the photos comment, I hope you might have noticed my article contributions too. I will keep on adding my photos and articles to Wikipedia. I like photography and I am a photographer too. I am expecting your support in future.

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AIV report

I've blocked SilentFilm following your report, but please remember that AIV is for obvious vandalism only. ANI would have been a more appropriate place to report this. Danger ^{High voltage!} 16:59, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Histoire d'un crime (film)

Hi, I'm Skrelk. Jokestress, thanks for creating Histoire d'un crime (film)!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. This page seems like it could be notable, but you haven't expressed that in the article.

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Belated thank you

Hi Jokestress, and thank for the barnstar here. I follow WP:NPP and start articles where needed, which is what happened here. Glad to be part of the team. --Shirt58 (talk) 13:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Pirate (sexual slang)

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