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Vote to delete anti-Israel Shark Palestine Caricature

Hi Joe, see Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#April 1 [1] to delete Image:Shark Palestine Caricature.jpg [2] This highly offensive anti-Israel "caricature" spoofing Jaws that depicts the POV that Israel is the the aggressive "shark" and that the Palestinians are poor little innocent "victims". This is raw pro-Arab propaganda and unfortunately fits the pattern of User:AladdinSE's insertion of the offensive Image:MoneyJews.jpg taken from the Nazis. IZAK 07:15, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:)

Love your new sig! Radiant_* 08:55, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Jew#Renaissance & Enlightenment

Sorry...I couldn't help laughing as I fixed that. שבת שלום Tomer TALK 23:06, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

JCarriker

I don't know if you've read our exchange in its entirety, but as far as I'm concerned this guy was dead wrong from the start. He jumped the gun in taking offense and then took his idiotic assumptions to the RfC page. There was absolutely no reason for him to refer to our exchange at all in the RfC -- for precisely the reasons I've mentioned. He can say that's what his intent was, but I don't buy it. Nor is his intention clear in his remarks in the RfC -- because I don't believe that's what motivated him. His remarks regarding the Afrophobia exchange have been disingenuous (essentially, "you're another one"). I don't see any reason for you to get involved in this thing, either, though I appreciate your good intentions. But what do you mean you don't want to get involved in the Afrophobia thing? Your communication is precisely what you're doing. To treat Carriker's comments in the RfC is to get involved in it. You wouldn't have responded as you did, otherwise. I see nothing but ego at work here on his part, and as far as I'm concerned, he can go to hell. deeceevoice 06:02, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Chamaeleon

Hey there. Did you ever see my reply on my talk page about copamiento?

Anyway, if you have the time, you could give your opinion on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Chamaeleon. See ya. Chamaeleon 19:06, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. Incidentally, I've been reading your stuff about interview brainteasers. It's interesting research. Helpful Dave 14:06, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RfC for Immigration to Israel from Arab lands

Hi Joe, Immigration to Israel from Arab lands is in the RfC section at Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Article content disputes [3] because of someone's "Concerns for neutrality and unreferenced disputed facts. Please review, help out.". Thought you would like to know. IZAK 03:16, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mediterannean History

Hello Jmabel, I've seen your comments on the talk page of Phoenicia, and I assume that you're familiar with Mediterannean culture. I've started a new article called History of the Mediterannean. If you know a lot of things about the history of the Mediterannean, you can check out this new article I've made, and if you like, you can add more to it if you know a lot about Mediterannean history.--Gramaic 03:39, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

ANPR

Thanks for your positive and constructive comments at Wikipedia:International writing contest/Judges' commentsabout ANPR - I'll now be able to expand on some ideas you've helped me come up with. violet/riga (t) 13:34, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This is now nominated as a FAC – if you have the time I would appreciate it if you could take a look and comment there. Just thought I'd ask as I know you've looked through it once already. Thanks, violet/riga (t) 09:58, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Classical liberalism

Sorry, I should have read the talk page first. I'll leave the page as the consensus wants it. I didn't realize there had been prior discussion. Thanks for cleaning up after me, Dave (talk) 16:25, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

About the Tacnazo

Do you think that "Tacnaso" must get and article? it's two more important points are stated in the Juan Velasco Alvarado article. Anyways, I'm already doing some research about it. Please feel free to respond in my talk page. Thanks Messhermit 04:21, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Good point, I forgot about that. By the way, do you believe that the way those points are stated in the Velasco articles are ok? I mean, it explain the main two reason of the coup. Take a look and give me your opinion. Thanks Messhermit 04:37, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well, at least in Peruvian history, there are a lot of them. Fo you need info for any of those? if you can give me the names of the coups that you want info, I could look for them. Once again, Thanks. Messhermit 04:52, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Understand. I will work on information on coups during those Timelines. Messhermit 05:02, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Interesting Idea to achieve compromise on AF article

Also, I was going to ask you something about the AF article:

Do you think that the Privatisations and all the economic info should be stated on a separated article that can deal with the Economy of Peru? I mean, I believe that is important that relevant info must remain in AF page, but a much more detailled discussion can be created to disscussed more accurately? Please, give me your opinion. Thanks Messhermit 05:02, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you. They should be statedin AF page, and another article should then take the led and analized in much more detail. What about creating an article call Privatisations on Peru to deal with it? Also, with Viajero's Help, the article Economy of Peru could be expanded to state this. Thanks. Messhermit 05:32, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Eugene Onegin (opera)

Someone has translated the paragraphs that were added in Russian. As I mentioned on Wikipedia:Pages_needing_translation_into_English, though, these paragraphs are a likely copyvio and POV. So I went to remove those today, and saw there has been a translation. Could you please look over that article and say if removing those would still be acceptable (I just would feel sad for the guy who translated it). Solver 14:20, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fools

If you really want to, you can finish it; it's more likely that you'll simply remove it, so feel free to do so. --SPUI (talk) 22:56, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My point is that my addition of the template was not serious, and was not meant to be done all the way. --SPUI (talk) 23:01, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

MoS

If you would like to criticize my "English" (actually a typo) at least do it on my talk page and not in an edit summary. Thanks. Hyacinth 00:33, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, disparagment no longer interpreted. The edit was [4]. Rather than: "if we are going to give examples, they should use correct English" (this also implies that we shouldn't use examples), I would suggest "corrected English", "removed stray 'is'", or another description of your edit rather than mine. Hyacinth 00:52, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bhili language

Hi, just wanted to let you know I've rewritten Bhili language so that it's in English and is actually about the Bhili language. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about it, but I added what I could. Just in case you want to reconsider your VFD vote. --Angr/(comhrá) 06:01, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia resign

You resign to easily, you cant get rid of us that easily. ;)

Just to... reasure you, the ranking thing is not there to create a hierarcical median. I wanted to have somehthing like barn stars but is more "easy to folow". Barnstars are too broad... --Cool Cat My Talk 15:05, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • I've responded to CoolCat on his talk page. The short of it is I didn't say I'm resigning, I said I would resign if Wikipedia adopted a certain policy he is advocating. I don't think there is much chance of it happening, but I meant what I said. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:40, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
    • You fail to see what I am suggesting. I am not suggesting a hierarcy, barn stars are ignored on disputes so will "ranks". Just to clarify. :) --Cool Cat My Talk 00:50, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Totalitarian democracy

Took care of it. -==SV 20:27, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hindi Ambassador

Hi Jmabel, just following up on a question you answered on the Pump a couple of days ago. You said that Wikipedia did not have a hindi ambassador and a volunteer was needed. I am ready to take up the responsibility. Please let me know what I have to do and how. Thanks in advance...--Abhishekbh 15:31, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Biografías y vidas

Just in case you didn´t hear it, ByV has withdrawn its authorization for future articles. See here. Ejrrjs | What? 08:30, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Translations

I moved these French and German articles to WP:TIE. I hope that someone will translate it. -- Darwinek 10:04, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Translation of "UGT" (Unión General de Trabajadores - Originally in Spanish) is finished. Please, review it when you are free.
--FayssalF | Talk 06:36, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Original Spanish article
Translated English article

New article: Women for Israel's Tomorrow

Please consider reading this new article I just created. --AladdinSE 11:57, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

List of grunge music albums

I put the accuracy tag there because the issue on the talk page concerning accuracy (which takes up the whole talk page) has not yet been resolved. I'll add something to the talk page if that better clarifies this. -- LGagnon 16:26, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

Translation

Thanks for calling this to my attention. I haven't had time to do the translation and I forgot that I had signed up for it on the translation page. --Psp 19:52, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Rodica Botoman

Rodica Botoman is a Romanian linguist living in the United States. Along with Julie Donat, she helped to establish the one of the largest Romanian Language programs in the United States at The Ohio State Universitate. Time For Honesty 00:19, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

A. Dworkin

I learned about it via a mailing list. Indeed, it has still not yet been confirmed via other sources. Either the next of kin are keeping quiet until after the funeral or it is a hoax. I guess we will know within a day or two. To be quite honest, it never occurred to me that it might be spurious. Twice before I learned via mailing lists about the deaths of two notable lefties, David Dellinger and William Hinton, a couple of days before the news hit the MSM, and I amended the articles here accordingly without it being an issue. -- Viajero 16:17, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This just in, from the Guardian: "Feminist icon Andrea Dworkin dies" -- Viajero 17:35, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why should it seem surprising? When some ancient figure like the pope or R. Reagan croaks, wire service necrologists are lined up for a mile. When lesser mortals go, people may learn about these things first through email and mailing lists. As I noted on the Talk page, I found it ironical that the European press was the first to confirm it. -- Viajero 20:23, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ezrahut and Leum

I saw that no one answered your question so I will. Leum means "national" "Am" means Nation and ezrahut I think means citizen, but dont quote me on that.

Guy Montag 17:47, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You posted this question about a year ago on the Jew article talk page.

Guy Montag 21:17, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

issues about school articles

In November 2003, there was a VfD debate over Sunset High School (Portland). The debate was archived under Talk:Sunset High School (Portland). What to do with the article is still being contested and has been recently re-nominated for VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sunset High School (Portland).

I am writing to you because you have participated in such debates before. There still does not exist a wikipedia policy (as far as i can tell) over what to do in regards to articles about specific U.S. public school. My hope is that a real consensus can come out of the debate, and a real policy can take shape. Take part if you are so willing. Kingturtle 02:27, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Translation of an article from the catalan wiki

I thowght you are the same that ask articles to translate it. I think there is a mistake in the article Apus, and it is only a stub. Please translate the article from catalan wiki.

Pérez 80.58.40.235 20:54, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Merging Converso and Marrano articles

Hi Joe: Even though the brief article about Conversos makes them appear to be different to the Marranos, the latter article which is much more comprenhensive does not seem to differentiate between these two groups really. If that is so, I think that the Converso article should be merged with, and redirected to the Marrano article. Thanks for reviewing these two articles. IZAK 08:59, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's not true. Converso includes Muslims. If they were to be merged, the specific term should be merged into the general one. Also, converso is preferable to marrano because the former is neutral whilst the latter means "swine", i.e. it's rather anti-Semitic. In fact, don't let SlimVirgin see Marrano; she'll probably Vfd it as part of her crusade.  :) — Helpful Dave 09:14, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi Dave, I'm not sure what is "not true" here. All I am stating is that if you read the Marrano article you will see it talks in terms of the Conversos being Marranos too. I know what the word "Marrano" means, but to historians (Jewish and general) it is a neutral term -- because it was used for hundreds of years -- and if you "cut it out" you are in effect "editing" history which is of course both ridiculous and self-defeating. I don't really pay much heed to political correctness and revisionism, but I am on good terms with SlimVirgin and hope to keep it that way...hope to... Thanks for the input. Now, what does Joe think? IZAK 09:47, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Joe will no doubt answer soon, but in the meantime, I'll respond. The Marrano article defines marranos as Jewish conversos. I've just done a quick word-search on the article, and neither "Islam" nor "Muslim" occur in the text, so I don't know what you mean by "if you read the Marrano article you will see it talks in terms of the Conversos [including Muslims] being Marranos too." Also, I didn't say we should "cut out" the use of the term "marrano" from history, but that some might find it offensive as a page title. I've seen examples of other stuff being deleted because Jewish wikipedians didn't like the title.  :) — Helpful Dave 10:15, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Zulu article introduction

Hi there. Thanks for pointing this out. I took the sentences which I removed from the introduction and used them (slightly corrected) to create the history section. I'm going to put in a brief mention of their history in the introduction, but if you, or someone else wants to tweak or expand that section, please do. --Kieran 11:55, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ah, never mind. I got carried away and expanded and rearranged the introduction. Feel free to peer review. --Kieran 12:03, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Pashtun

I would like you to take some speacial interest to solve that dispute going on at the Pashtun Tribes List please !

Haider 21:36, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)Haider

Romanian sanaty check request

Could you have a look at Template:User ro-1 for me? My romanian is about 6-7 years rusty, and I was never too good writing things without awkward wording. I do a lot better speaking and translating from romanian into english, but I wanted to use that template. Dalf | Talk 03:56, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks I almost put something on User:Bogdangiusca's page but figured I would wait and see what you said. I am going to be refresing my Romanian in thenext few months I hope, at one time I was able to pass myself off as Romanian in short conversations (though never written; much easier to reword and sound natural when speaking) Dalf | Talk 05:31, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I answered your question on my talk page ... not sure what the protocol is for such conersations. Dalf | Talk 06:02, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Categories for Jews

Hi, see the {{vfd}} ("Vote for Deletion") concerning the various sub-categories for Jewish people at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Re:Sub-Categories of Jewish people [5]. This is an attempt to reign in the proliferation of Jews' categories. What do you think? Thank you. IZAK 10:26, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

another dubious category

See this: Category:Mafia associates I happened to notice it because it was added to Frank Sinatra, which was on my watchlist. I have not the slightest doubt that Sinatra had Mob friends, but should Wikipedia be in the business of passing this kind of judgment? -- Viajero 18:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, for better or worse, I have listed it on CfD. -- Viajero 17:53, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Final IWC judging

Thanks for your early jump on the writing contest judging. If you have more detailed thoughts on how to rank your favorites, we should agree on a top 5 or so. I'm going to meet with sannse and dysprosia on IRC tomorrow morning at 0900 UTC; perhaps we can chat before then? The Germans will come out with a press release sometime next week highlighting the winner in each language (de - Sachenross); they are, as usual, terribly excited about the whole affair. Cheers, +sj + 12:39, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It is done! WP:IWC has the gory details. Diamond had to be honorable-mentioned; the rest are all I think as it should be. Thanks again, and congrats on your new gig btw... +sj + 05:16, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Judeofascism

You might be interested in that VfD. Jayjg (talk) 03:04, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Category talk:Lists of Jews

Apparently User:Islamist does not consider secular Jews to be Jew; perhaps you might want to present an alternative viewpoint at Category talk:Lists of Jews. Jayjg (talk) 13:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Neruda

Hi, user TDC just added a substantial amount of material to Pablo Neruda highlighting his Stalinist sympathies, including a long quote from his ode to Stalin. It seems perverse to me to quote this work, which is not considered one of his best, solely to score political points. As I contemplate how best to tackle the problem, I was wondering whether you have any ideas. I realize you don't have much time these days, so I am not expecting direct action or anything. -- Viajero 21:22, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This morning I had a go at it; I created a separate section on his Stalinist activities and condensed the material down to three paragraphs, removing that long excerpt from the odious ode. If you think I went too far, I'd rather hear it from you than from TDC when he returns from his latest 24-hour ban. I still feel the article needs substantial work, but it will have to wait until someone comes along who has a deeper affinity for and knowledge of the subject than I do. -- Viajero 09:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sigh... all my work has been undone by you-know-who, without any effort at dialog on the Talk page. Bah! -- Viajero 00:50, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Update: he did leave a glib flourish just now on the Talk page. Less than helpful. -- Viajero 01:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mendele Mocher Sforim

you said:

Actually, we DO need to link day/month part of day even if it's O.S.: That's the only way the wiki is smart enough to choose between US and UK style

could you please elaborate? why would someone want to have a link for O.S. date? e.g. December 21 refers to "the 355th day of the year in the Gregorian Calendar"; moreover, all the dates listed on this page refer to the N.S. (Gregorian) dates. Ktotam 02:49, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A Note of Thanks

I just wanted to leave you a note of thanks for all of your help with my entries on the Oscar Wilde page. He has been of interest to me since I saw Vincent Price's portrayal of him in 1978, and thus, the biggest of my entries on this marvelous website have been about Oscar. It has been fun learning the ways of Wikipedia over the last few weeks and your help is much appreciated. Good Luck on the writing project you have just started.MarnetteD | Talk 15:46, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Catalonia is not Spain

Regarding Jorge Luis Borges' Catalan heritage, let me point out:

  1. Spanish is not a race.
  2. Catalan is not a race either, even if some marginal Renaixença writer believed that.
  3. Even if #2 were true (which it is not), how is this relevant to Borges' bio? Did he speak Catalan at home? Did he cherish his Catalan heritage?

If there were no positive answers to #3, I'd believe that it is just a POV loaded trivia and should be deleted.

Regards, Ejrrjs | What? 23:00, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

> . If an American had both New Englander and Southern ancestry, I'd be liable to mention that, on the same grounds.
Certainly, but it wouldn't be stated as American and New Englander :-) Castillian and Catalan, or Asturian and Catalan would be fine.
Regarding the hypothetic Basque alternative, I have to admit that I almost mention that as a true nationality, but I recanted it at the last minute.
Ejrrjs | What? 18:53, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Phoenicia

Sorry Jmabel. I didn't mean to put you in the wrong situation in the talk page of Phoenica.--Gramaic 07:18, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

RfC TDC

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/TDC-2: care to help out? -- Viajero 14:00, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Listing Atricles in categories and sub-categories

I just posted to the talk page on Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#Super_Categories a short thing giving my understanding/opnion of this issues. My post starts Here. If you have a minute at some point could you look at what I wrote and let me know if you think I am on crack. I saw you were involved in the discussion there. Thanks Dalf | Talk 02:23, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Friendly for sure .... I have had significant difficulties with spelling well ... forever .... I am not at all touchy about it, though I suppose I shoudl be more ..... carful and check myself. When things are more formal I usually cute and paste from something with a spelling checker. Perhaps I will start doing that on talk pages here. Dalf | Talk 06:29, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • actually I will spell check it now :) Though I still wont be offended if I miss some stuff, or even if the wording as bad and someone feels like changing thigns around as long as the basic meanning is there ..... after reading more of that talk page, I am not sure it will do any good either way. It looks like this is an almost intractable issue. Dalf | Talk 06:35, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I ran it through a spell checker, then I ran it through a diffrent spellchecker. I have even learned that Tunderbird's spellchecker is crap and OpenOffice.org's is pretty good. I was going to add some more examples but I thought that would make the idea cluttered rather than more clear. There are lots of examples on that talk page in other peoples comments anyway that would fall in the same framework. Even my spelling is not usually as bad as that was ... *sigh* oh well. Dalf | Talk 07:10, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

CSB History

Hi Joe,

Just a heads up: you might want to take a look here and contribute what you know about the history and prehistory of Countering Systemic Bias/CROSSBOW. — mark ✎ 12:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

War of the Pacific

Hello there, Its messhermit. Well, the article in question needs some work. as you may remember, I modified the page a couple of months ago (an you check them for NPOV issues and speling), and I believe that it was fairy NPOV, although incomplete. Anyways, personal issues is something that (hopefully) I can and will avoid in this article. What I didn´t like (and to some other users too) was that the modifications were made withouth a proper discussion. The "war of the pacific" is still controvertial mostly because har-line chileans nationalist keep glorifying this shamefull war. As you have seen, a discussion has been started on this, and if you look closely the same user is involve in the same discussion but in Wiki-spanish. If you can help me to achieve a NPOV on this page (as soon as you are free from other job) it would be very helpfull. Anyways, thanks for the advice and keep in touch. Messhermit 02:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, we must keep it intact, so any info that is stated from now must have been prevented from being a POV. Messhermit 02:12, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
lol, ok lo dire en español (estaba un poco apurado al escribir lo de arriba). Bueno, solo quiero decir que revirtamos la pagina hasta como estaba hace unas semanas. De ahi en adelante, buscar q toda la informacion que se quiera agregar (sea Chilena, BoliviaNa o Peruana) sea NPOV y en base a un concenso en el talk page. saludos Messhermit 13:40, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism of List of Wikipedians by Military Branch

Would you care to explain your actions? Why did you vandalise Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by military branch? I'm sure that the admins would like to know as well.

That section is there NOT for your political views; it's there to list Wikipedians who are serving in the Armed Forces. The reason why you are allowed to freely discuss your point of view is because of those people. If you want to start a catagory labeled "Anti-War" or "Anti-Military", that's fine. Don't screw up an honorable catagory with crap.

Your actions have been reported. Linuxbeak 02:52, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Active outreach to Historically black colleges and universities

I was re-reading your user page and noticed this. When I get out for the summer I'm going to drive around and take some pictures for the pedia. The HBCU Wiley College is on my list, and if you want I can talk to them about some sort of recruitment initiative. I may also visit Grambling depending on my economic situation. -JCarriker 09:27, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Oxford student

One statement that might belong somewhere in the article—"In 2003, an Oxford professor personally denied admission to an Israeli student on political grounds, for which he was made to apologize ([16] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/3031528.stm))"—except that the "political grounds" go unexplained, suggesting implicitly that the student was banned for being Israeli, which I doubt.

What do you doubt? --VKokielov 20:00, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Translation

French Wikipedia has an extensive article on Civil war in Côte d'Ivoire, if you get a chance could you have a go at translating some of the relevant material across, the English version is not as comprehensive as it could be. Thanks --nixie 11:03, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Well, It was mostly becouse I personaly don't like long discussions. So far I'm avoiding Viajero, even tought he has not change at all, and I think that is my most wise desition. Anyways, thanks for those words and I hope that we can work toguether in making Wiki a NPOV enciclopeadia. thanks. keep in touch Messhermit 19:04, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Great blunders in history

The article List of incidents famously considered great blunders has been completely rewritten with respect to objections made on the Vfd page in an attempt to improve the article and achieve consensus. It is asked that you reconsider your Vfd vote on this article. (If you wish to leave your vote how it is that's fine.) - Pioneer-12 23:49, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject U.S. Regions

Yes. Yes. I know this would probably be better brought up on the project page, though it can always be moved there, but I would prefer to adderes you rather than the entire project right now. Have you seen U.S. West and American West. Their over the same subject, only American West was created as a means of subverting the project's standards. The article has NPOV problems, mostly a romanticism of the West and a hostile, condesecending and inaccurate tone towards the "census bureau" regions, and seems to have original research (compiling statistic on how the creator of the article difines the region). Still I think the article puts forward some interesting possibilities on liberalizing our standards. Also I think a standardized way of refering to all regions with a direction in there name might be helpful, e.g Southern United States rather than U.S. South and Southwestern United States rather than Southwest United States, I think it better meets house style on titles and removes the hiarchy of regions which continues to be misapplied and interpreted. Anyway, U.S. West and American West need to be merged and I'd like your opinon on the subject. I've imported the text of U.S. West into my sandbox as a starting point rather than a temp page because I would like to merge the articles at Western United States. I've tried to combine the taxo boxes in the sandbox version but haven't made anyother changes yet. Also I think that having regional categories is a bad idea they'd clutter pages i.e Texas: South, Southwest, West, Central, Gulf, South Central, Southeast, Border ect. Sorry to be be ramvling but I'm quite verbose this morning. -JCarriker 12:23, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

The last few times I tried to take the lead by myself on U.S. geography I got my hands slapped. So if it's all the same to you I'd rather wait until you do have the time than act on my own now, which is why I posted here rather than on a project page. Thanks. -JCarriker 15:51, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
Would you oppose creating a postion of an elected coordinator of the project? If I were elected at least I could edit with more confidence on the subject, especially if other members are unable to be active at present. -JCarriker 16:14, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
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