User talk:Jeff3000/Archive01

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Baha'i pages

You really did a lot of work on the Baha'i pages, good job. And it was a good idea to change the references to reference.bahai.org. Cuñado - Talk 04:43, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Jeff??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I got your message. How is T-town? Riaz and Shavak said you took good care of them. Cuñado - Talk 18:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

God Passes By

Jeff3000, thanks a lot for your help with the article. But I'm just curious - why was the link to the article for "Advent of Divine Justice" deleted? Danny Lilithborne 08:23, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

thought that there were multiple writings from th4 Guardian, and thus a see also to advent of divine justice would make it look that book has a special connection to god passes by, but I just checked and it's the only other book by the guardian on wikipedia. You should put it back up. -- Jeff3000 11:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

You are an animal

Stop doing so much, you're making me look bad. just kidding, keep up the good work. I was surprised to see you show up on a lot of sub pages like Second Coming. Yep all those are on my radar too. If you find any articles that need a lot of work let me know and I'll get on it. Cuñado - Talk 00:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Apologies in advance

Jeff, I'm about to delete all the specious criticisms on the Baha'i faith page. You may have spent time editing and clarifing some. I apologize for stepping on your work, but you deleted each of these previously, I believe, with comments and I don't have patience to do so again. MARussellPESE 04:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

The Islam, Muhammad, Christ and Christianity pages are not burdened with Praise and Criticism sections. I think the whole lot should be moved to Bahá'í apologetics, which I'm doing not. Your thoughtful clarifications would be of use there. MARussellPESE 14:19, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Nice beginings to the Bahá'í apologetics page. MARussellPESE 18:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Baha'i Faith and science

Thanks for weighing in there. I'm unable to break the log-jam. Cuñado, seems, to me, unwilling to grasp the broader meanings or implications of "creature" and "planet." Or am I mis-reading the discusson or my argument poorly made?

I'm uncomfortable with invoking "Persian hyperbole" unless there's direct evidence. Not being a Farsi/Arabic speaker, much less scholar, I wouldn't know where to start. MARussellPESE 18:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Ridvan spelling

this is just curiousity, but I've always thought we spelt Ridvan with a dot below the d. I'm impartial at the minute though because the unicode that was previously on the Garden of Ridván, Akká looked horrible.

Do you know for sure that Baha'is spell it without the dot? -- Tomhab 20:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

based on official Baha'i webpages it looks like it's Ridván, see

• http://www.ca.bahai.org/main.cfm?sid=62
• http://news.bahai.org/glossary.cfm

--Jeff3000 21:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Haley Paige

I noticed the porn starness of her, but the article did mention her being a Baha'i. I tried to find a reference online (boy was that fun) but didn't find anything appropriate so I deleted it. Cuñado - Talk 06:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Baha'i review

I just expanded much of the quotes you'd added. They are excellent and on-point, but I have a bias towards using the whole quote. I'm possibly undoing some of your editing. Apologies if I'm being heavy-handed. Appreciate your hard work there.

Incidentally, my style guide does not indicate using italics for embedded quotes. Do you have something that says otherwise?

MARussellPESE 23:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

You beat me to it

We were both reverting this at the same time, but you were quicker to the draw. Good job. Cuñado - Talk 19:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Religion Portals

Will you please check out my talk page? Someone said that he will delete the religious portals I set up if I don't do this and that. Will you please update the religious portals to confirm to whatever standards. Any advice, suggestions, etc is appreciated. Maybe I shouldn't have wasted my time with creating the portals. --JuanMuslim ^1m 21:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Comment removal

Jeff, was there a reason you removed my comments from User talk:Hi Kestrel 420? Joyous | Talk 15:45, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

• Ok, no problem. Joyous | Talk 15:49, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Bahai Faith Commentary

Thank you, Jeff3000. I have reverted the changes. → Chèvredan∫ante ^{talk · contrib} 20:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, Jeff3000. I have reverted the changes -- again. And I have issued a final warning. Next time that this user does this, just contact an admin; it's time to block this Fürher. → Chèvredan∫ante ^{talk · contrib} 14:44, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Palestine

Hi there

I'm not sure about some of yor disambiguations of Palestine. The British mandate in Palestine was a political entity; I would think that geographical references for that period would be better directed at Palestine (region), which is the article that corresponds to the most common understanding of what Palestine actually is/was. Palmiro | Talk 19:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for the quick reply. Palmiro | Talk 23:55, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Hatred

If I knew the best way to deal with these things maybe they wouldn't be a problem. While I am probably more bothered by the way some users will insult Muslims and assume horrible things about them (interestingly enough the Muslim users tend to be more civil) it isn't necessarily the biggest problem to neutrality. Most of the worst offenses of whom you referred to are on talk pages. Granted they do try to push an very anti-Islamic POV into pages but Shia editors have recently been doing the same. I also realize we don't represent the Shia view that well... but those who do try to represent it often do so as an insult to the Sunnis. The best way to deal with it is patience and research and working on it 24 hours a day. Since most of us can't really do that we have the present situation. Where users who don't want to use scholarly sources or want to misuse them have as much say and days of arguing ensue. If those users lose... they go to another issue and waste all the time again. ...and this is my optimistic side. gren グレン 05:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

On the Bahai criticism section... in fact, on the whole commentary section... both prase and criticism seem not exactly good ideas. Some of the prase should be merged into "Involvement in society" since... that's what it is. Some of the criticism should be merged into "Bahai Laws". The problem with labelling as criticism or praise is that there needs to be an actor cited as praising or criticizing. Passive voice praising is stupid. 100 years ago you would be criticized for allowing homosexual acts as a religion. Now it's split. In 100 years maybe most everyone will call for the allowing homosexual acts. The fact that Bahai doctrine forbids homosexual acts is neither good nor bad without a movement to condemn it or praise it. How large is the criticism movement? Well, it's probably many gay activists like those that criticize the Catholics and Muslims. So cite notable sources of criticism or polls of how many disagree. Another issue is do all Bahai's agree? I'm not sure of the Bahai setup but I get the feeling that there is more of a central administration like the Catholics have than like Sunni Muslims have. If the central authority says a ruling then report that. If there are groups that disagree (like pro-choice Catholics) then cite them if they are notable. I'll post a little of my view on the Bahai Faith talk page. gren グレン 18:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting user page!

AndrewRT 14:13, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Capitalizing

Hi, from one Jef to another (lol), I found this in the Wiki manual of style and thought you might be interested. Because thusfar we've been using more of a Brittanica standard as far as this goes.[[1]] LambaJan 19:33, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: More Sports userboxes with logos

Hi, sorry about the delay, I got distracted by other matters. I see someone else already removed the templates from the list. I'll try simply redirecting them to the original versions for starters. --Sherool (talk) 20:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Re User:Karmafist and Baseball logos

Well I'm afraid my backing won't count for much with him. I've had my share of revert waring with him on this very issue myself. He's on some kind of self proclaimed crusade against what he percives as "copyright paranoida" and considers our policy to be null and void since it is more strict than the actual law[2]. I've been hoping he would tire of this, but I guess not. I'll see if I can get some "neutral" admins to apply some "peer presure" on him to stop rebelling. --Sherool (talk) 19:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Bahá'í Faith

You probably get this a lot, but I wanted to personally congratulate you on your hard work regarding the Bahá'í Faith on Wikipedia. Thanks a lot man :) Danny Lilithborne 21:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Qur'an

• I did fly off the handle there. Thanks for the words of wisdom, Jeff. Danny Lilithborne 05:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Mirzá Abu'l-Fadl

It is a mirror. It was deleted once before (See log.) But looking at the history it's been looked over by another admin (User:DanielCD).

I agree that mirrors shouldn't be here, but it's the best article here. (Danny's was a stub.) I wikified it, not to say it should be here, but to ease others' future edits.

Remember the old saw: Copying from one source is plagiarism. Copying from two sources is research.

MARussellPESE 02:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:05 NHL Shield.png listed for deletion

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Thorpe | talk 19:11, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Take my quiz

• Allah'u'abhá. At my user page is a quiz based on my own characters. I'm curious what you'd get. Take it and leave a comment at the place on my talk page for that sort of thing. See you around, friend... :) Danny Lilithborne 08:57, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

References

How do the pages look now? MARussellPESE 15:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

New article

I've just created an article, Bahá'í literature, that could probably use your input. It's based on the big bibliography I've been keeping on my talk page and thought deserved an article of it's own. It should dovetail into the other individual articles well. MARussellPESE 19:42, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

image

Hi Jeff. You seem to be better at copyright stuff. I want to load this picture on for Ruhiyyih Khanum's page, but I'm not sure how to tag it. I'm sure there's no copyright issue since she was a Baha'i. Cuñado - Talk 17:10, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Bahá'í literature

Hi. I've converted Bahá'í literature to {{cite book}} by using WP:AWB. I used the settings file documented at User:Adrian Buehlmann/AWB/migrate to cite book. So you might use that yourself, if you're interested in using AWB (I've seen you are not on the list of the enabled users, just ask User:Bluemoose to get enabled). Just be careful, I'm not 100% sure that I got everything right in the settings (some regular expression spaghetty :-). Please check each diff carefully when using AWB. BTW, I'm working through the list of all inclusions of {{book reference}} (some 5'500 left...). This will take weeks. If you have another page to convert at higher prio, just let me know. User:Phil Boswell is also helping. He's back monday I suppose. Cheers! --Adrian Buehlmann 21:31, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

(.Net). Hmm, can't you install it on your box? There is a link on the AWB page to the free download of .Net If I can help you on this in any way, just ask. --Adrian Buehlmann 21:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

-). Nobody expects you to like MS in order to download and install .Net :-). --Adrian Buehlmann 21:47, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Heya! I've been so bold to look into your list of contribs and I saw you did some conversions to cite book using AWB. Congratulations and thanks! If you find something buggy in the AWB settings I've provided, please post it on User talk:Adrian Buehlmann/AWB/migrate to cite book or just boldly edit User:Adrian Buehlmann/AWB/migrate to cite book if you are sure. Thanks! (and sorry for stalking :-) --Adrian Buehlmann 09:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Summons of Lord of Hosts

Please check my comments on the talk page, thanks. Nmentha 02:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Bahji

I was about to fix all the redirect issues. Do you think we should keep a separate page? Cuñado - Talk 17:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Bahá'í box {{ }}

Is it possible for you to add 'Bahá'í Pilgrimage' in the 'Holy Cities section of the box on the right of the main article, which appears here and there? I don't know how to call it, nor how to access it? Is this a secret? Wiki-uk 13:21, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

template

For Template:Bahá'í-2, I tried to make a long wide template that will work at the bottom of articles for those that the tall skinny template won't work (when pictures are necessary on the top). It doesn't look pretty, but it can be improved on. I couldn't figure out exactly how to make columns and rows the way I do in HTML, feel free to redo it. Cuñado - Talk 19:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I had in mind that for biographies and any article with a prominent picture on the top, the template could be switched to horizontal. The combination of pictures and template has been a problem since I started working on wikipedia. If you think Shoghi Effendi's page looked better with the long template then that's fine.

What I meant for the template was to have col-1 with 1 row, holding the title and star. Then col-2 with two rows.

col-2 row-1 = central figures, yellow background

col-2 row-2 = the links to central figures, normal background

col-3 row-1 = key individuals

col-3 row-2 = links

etc....

Since this is not HTML, I can't figure out how to put a table inside a table. It resulted in all of col-2 being yellow background. Cuñado - Talk 19:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

It looks great now. I didn't realize we could use HTML tables in a template. Good job Cuñado - Talk 21:30, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Summons of the Lord of Hosts

Grazie for the invitation. More than happy to look it over. Will advise on the talk page. Ciao, MARussellPESE 13:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Martha Root

Could you check the copyright tag on Image:MarthaRoot.jpg? I put unknown. Cuñado - Talk 19:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

You're welcome. I may not know the origin of your dispute, but his abusive behaviour is disgusting. I'll keep an eye out on his contrib page. tv316 04:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Judging by that and the comments he had on his user page (before I blanked it}, I'd say he's just browsing Wikipedia looking for a 'fight'. A few more personal attacks should send him away for a while. tv316 04:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Canada references

Hi. I may participate, but I don't have much time right now. I've been making only a few edits a day for the past two months. I have been tracking the progress (great work, by the way!), and if I can offer some assistance, I'll do so. You can try soliciting some help at the Canada notice board discussions too. Thanks for the invitation. Mindmatrix 18:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi there! Sure: I'll comment in more detail in the next day or two ... I've been somewhat swamped and I'm on a wikibreak of sorts. Ha!

Essentially: I am unsure why this issue has mushroomed. I see no problem in providing in-text and sectional references in the article (we should aim to be consistent or retrofit existing content/refs appropriately), but also note that it is (should be) a concise overview article where some discretion is required and economy encouraged. To that end, I'd suggest including an omnibus reference – perhaps dealing with overall government accountability (as per the Auditor General of Canada vis-a-vis just the Gomery Commission reports), Quebec politics (e.g., noting the Quiet Revolution as a modern catalyst for the sovereignty sleigh ride), and or intergovernmental relations – that will cover off on multiple points yet still be authoritative.

One more thing: we might want to (at least in this instance!) do what the Americans have done with references and create a distinct article for them. And I don't mean in terms of content per se: we can move all the references there, add more detail/references (if needed?), organise into sxns, yet keep the overview article just that. Make sense?

I hope this helps ... more to follow! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 10:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Help on Canada page

I'd love to help with the references for the Canada page, but I'm a little unsure of a few things. Would I have to search for the books or websites where those statistics or words came from, and, if it's a book, would I have to physically confirm it being in that book? I'm new to this and have no idea how referencing works. You should see the disasters I make, which slightly resemble essays. tv316 21:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Alright, well, I'll try my best to find references for various sections that are on that list, but I won't put my name down on the list as confirmed. I'll just do them as I come by them and mark it done when it's done. I don't go to the library very often, so my access to books is limited. tv316 22:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:Bahaistar.jpg

could you check out this image. I'm really bad at copyright stuff. I put a promotional tag on it, but really it doesn't matter. You could just replace it with whatever symbol has easy copyright info. Like this image. Cuñado - Talk 19:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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help

I don't have Ocean right now. In regards to the section on God you just created, please read the following quote from this website, and search for quotes in the writings that refer to a personal relationship with God. This is a big deal to Christians, and it needs to be portrayed accurately. I believe there is something that goes "an unknowable, personal God".

One weakness of the Baha'i Faith is its inability to produce an experience of relationship between the individual and a personal God. The God of the Baha'i Faith is strictly an unknowable, unreachable, wholly unfamiliar God who does not relate directly, or personally, to individuals. This concept of God is also found in Islam and the Babi religion, which is the parent religion of Baha'i. If Baha'is fully conform to Baha'i teachings on the nature of God, they can know nothing of the kind of intimacy and personal relationship that can be experienced with the God of Christianity. If they do claim to have a personal relationship with God, it may be because they have unwittingly ignored the teachings of Baha'u'llah on this point and imported a concept of God from Judaism or Christianity. Ask your Baha'i friends if they conceive of God and attempt to relate to God as if he were personal and knowable. Some will agree that they do. Then ask why they remain in a religious system that fundamentally rejects this concept of God. Suggest to them that genuine Christianity alone offers this kind of personal intimate relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Then, explain the nature of your own personal intimate relationship with God.

thanks Cuñado - Talk 22:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)