User talk:Jasepl/archive01

Redirects

The # in the redirect tag goes before the word (i.e. #redirect), not after it. I have fixed your previous redirects. aldibibable (talk) 11:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

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Caribbean Airlines edit

Hello. Please refrain from re-implementing your edits on the Caribbean Airlines article. Please refer to the Usage Guidelines of Piped links, links should be made to the direct articles not redirect pages. I understand you're trying to shorten the form of the airports, however in this case the full name is more applicable. Rasadam (talk) 10:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I noticed you have done this on several articles to redirects you have just created. Please stop arbitrary implementing a naming convention without discussing it and reaching consensus with other editors. This is against one of the main principles of Wikipedia. Rasadam (talk) 10:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Airport names

Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. HkCaGu (talk) 15:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Your edits for airport names are vandalism and are being reported to registered editors.116.71.59.229 (talk) 18:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Rasadam (talk) 03:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

So I just saw these messages and I won't make the changes that people felt were incorrect. I did notice that many of the changes I had made had been undone - however, this does leave us with incorrect information in a few instances. Jasepl (talk) 07:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi thank you for responding. Feel free to ahead and re-edit any problems you see, but please refrain from changing the airport names. In the future, if you want to make mass changes like these, it's important to gather consensus with fellow editors before proceeding. I suggest looking into the Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation which has all airports and airlines under its scope. Rasadam (talk) 07:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Thank you. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 09:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Mumbai Edits

Imo, changing the layout is a major edit. Please copy paste the reason you gave me in the Mumbai discussion page, and then change the layout. You have put a lot of work into it, so lets see what the other editors have to say. Ninadhardikar (talk) 23:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

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Calcutta Airpot

The source of my putting Emirates SkyCargo was clearly given in the wikipedia link about ESC destinations, first read it properly before passing judgments. It seems you decide arbitrarily what should be there in the article. The ESC website also clearly states Kolkata as one of its dedicated cargo routes. If you have a source which says that ESC is not serving Kolkata, then put it. Wikipedia is not anyone's private property. Toniladri (talk) 18:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Airport Names

Hi. I was curious which standard are you using when deciding which is a proper name for an airport or a city? I know that we like to have standardized articles here, and I was wondering whether you have a basis with regard to the airport names. I have to admit, I myself am confused. Elektrik Blue (talk) 00:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Hey! I might be wrong on this one but I believe the standard thing to do here is to use the original name, transliterated in English. Similar to your Option 1 I suppose. I may be wrong, but check with the discussion pages of some airport articles and that may be true. Personally, I prefer Option 1, but some people may argue that it is not informative to leave out the city from the name. I don't care about that, other people may do the arguing for that stand. Elektrik Blue (talk) 12:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Lyon

Hi again. I reverted back your edits changing Lyons back to Lyon. According to WP:NCGN, one should use the most common English usage. A search using Google, or even Google Scholar shows that Lyon outnumbers Lyons. Lyon therefore is more appropriate in this situation. Elektrik Blue (talk) 01:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• I have seen your message in the Lyon article. Let me point out to you that Wikipedia's policy is to use the most widely accepted English name. That is the reason Milan is not Milano, Cairo is not Al-Qahira, and so on. And as I pointed out earlier, Lyon is still more common even in English, compared to Lyons. If you could show me an empirical basis that Lyons is more common than Lyon in the English usage, then I would agree to change it. However, if not, then I would ask you to let it be the way it is. Cheers. Elektrik Blue (talk) 12:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Airport names: space before and after a hyphen

Please stop adding spaces to all the airport names which contain a hyphen. This is wrong in many cases, as in any of the three Berlin airports. --Komischn (talk) 13:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport

In this edit summary you say "as explained on discussion page" yet I see no comments on the discussion page. However, I have made comments at Talk:Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport#Recent edits. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 16:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

December 2008

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Elonka 23:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Ahmedabad Airport

I was pissed thats why i came back. (Druid.raul (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2008 (UTC))

Well more than Editing i like to revert your worthless,Pointless,Useless edits. You don't no anything and your edits are meaningless,ur a cancer on Wikipedia that needs to be eradicated as soon as possible.......LOL.......

(Druid.raul (talk) 05:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC))

message for Jasepl - check here http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByAirport.do that American Airline has code share with Jet Airways and flight no is: AA 5682 so dont delete American Airline from international flight list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.48.183 (talk) 19:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

its not jet airways flight its American Airline flight no: AA 5682 so flight no start with "AA" is that Amrerican Airline ok and if u dont know check here http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByAirport.do?airport=(AMD)+Ahmedabad+Airport%2C+IN&airportQueryDate=2009-01-04&airportQueryTime=12&airlineToFilter=--+All+Airlines+--&airportQueryType=0&x=13&y=8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.48.183 (talk) 00:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

so you dont understand that flight start with "AA" is Amrerican Airline whoever cary passenger but its official Amrerican Airline flight and I know that some people here is delete lots of information about Ahamedabad airport i am going to write to indian media, all top world media and all airlines who lose customer because of you people. My relative fly from london to ahmedabad from Qatar Airways and that fly, it was information on Ahmedabad Airport wiki page that Qatar Airways fly from Ahmedabad to all europe and usa destination but some user deleted that information and like Qatar Airways, Emirates and Singapore Airlines lose passenge. And user like User:HkCaGu and User:Jasepl Vandalism information of Ahmedabad Airport —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.48.183 (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Your rollback request

Hi! I regret that I must inform you that your request for the rollback permission has been denied. You can discover why by checking the archives at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Denied/January 2009#jasepl. SoxBot X (talk) 20:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Please Sign your comments/messages

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Removal of galleries on Air India

During last week few attempts had been made to remove Gallery of Tata Airlines timetable covers, reason given behind this was galleries are not encyclopedic and Galleries are for wikicommons. They are not encyclopedic.

Notabley there is one more gallery present on the article i.e. Gallery of superseded liveries which was never altered.

If there is any logic and rationale (I couldn't find any in Gallery template page, help page, etc.) behind removal of the said gallery both galleries should be removed. On the contrary featured article like Flag of Belarus, Flag of Canada, Postage stamps of Ireland, etc contain Gallery (which means Galleries are accepted even in Featured Articles not to say about unfeatured ones).

As you have been active on this article you are invited to discuss this issue here on talk page.

--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider Rizvi (talk) 06:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Venice

Why did you disam VCE airport? If you are disam Marco Polo Airport for the airport in Treviso, the airport is in a seperate city from Venice. Just like Newark Airport is not disam into "New York-Newark" as flights are marketed as New York. Per WP:AIRPORTS, we list the airport the city is in, not the city served. Cashier freak (talk) 16:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Agree with the JFK/EWR example you cited. But if you type "Venice Airport" in Wikipedia, you get both Marco Polo and Treviso (as well as the one in Florida!). Besides, we don't always follow the "city where located not city served" - CDG is in Roissy, CVG is in Covington, HYD is in Shamshabad etc.

Destination lists

While the edits are not a good idea. Could you please stop calling them vandalism. I have explained to the user what the problem is and it may just be a misunderstanding. Thanks. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 00:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Destinations At LHR terminal 4

Please stop deleting my edits as i thoroughly check any edit i make. British airways clearly does fly to detroit from terminal 4 and not otherwise as you suggest. You are clearly misinformed and i advise you to check your edits before making them. Check BAA's website for LHR to realize your mistake. http://www.heathrowairport.com/portal/page/Heathrow%5EGeneral%5EFlight+information%5EWhich+terminal?/

DL PDX-BOM

One IP has removed "Mumbai" from the destinations list for Delta on Portland International Airport saying that there is an aircraft change at AMS. IF you think this is incorrect, please readd. Thanks! Cashier freak (talk) 15:52, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

There isn't supposed to be a plane change at AMS - it's planned to be a same-plane service all the way. Of course, this flight hasnt started yet, so let's put it back and if DL changes plans, we can always fix it. Thanks! Jasepl (talk) 16:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Correct, if there is a plane change, then remove it. If there isn't, then it stays. AMS is a hub for NWA not DL and the airlines are not one yet. Thanks! Cashier freak (talk) 16:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah sorry (I just said DL because they're calling the shots and the 767s that will operate the route are Delta's planes). But yeah, the PDX-AMS-BOM flights are planned to be same-plane services, compared with the current SEA-AMS-BOM, where there is a plane change. Jasepl (talk) 16:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I think the IP might be confused that AMS is a Delta hub so that's why he said that BOM is not direct. I would watch this page for a couple days unless he reverts your edits. Cashier freak (talk) 16:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Kozhikode to Calicut

Looks like you have changed Kozhikode to Calicut in List of National Highways in India (by Highway Number). The name of the district has officially been changed to Kozhikode in 1990, though the name Calicut is used locally. Please check the List of districts of Kerala Paalappoo (talk) 06:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

China vs. PR China

Jase, let's look at this [1] On EN we disambiguate between PR China and the Republic of China in terms of political contexts. Since the list states nationalities we have to say PR China. Please see Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)#Political_NPOV - There are disputes about it, but this is the best we have come up with so far. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Amsterdam Airport Schiphol

Can you please remove the "Destinations by Region" section on Amsterdam Airport Schiphol? MAny other editors are calling my edits vandalism and restore it. I thought we decided to remove it per consensus. Thanks! Charmedaddict (talk) 18:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Please discuss it at Talk:Amsterdam_Airport_Schiphol. Nsaa (talk) 18:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

April 2009

Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. the edit in question AyrtonProst ^{Sign Here}/_Contact 21:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Note

Fair enough, but please, leave an edit summary. AyrtonProst ^{Sign Here}/_Contact 22:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Japan date format

Are you sure Japan uses day/month? Japan uses American English, which uses month/day, and then in Japanese, it's the Asian order (month/day). HkCaGu (talk) 06:52, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I went with this: http://www.japantoday.com/ Jasepl (talk) 08:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi good person

Your the best

I know! Aren't I?

Your edits to airline destinations

You are being reported for vandalism.116.71.35.87 (talk) 18:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

• Seriously, if you used clear edit summaries explaining what you were doing your edits wouldn't be confused for vandalism. All I saw was a large removal of text from an article without explanation. Had you explained what you were doing I wouldn't have reverted you. Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
• I will do that in future - I do tend to miss out on the odd summary. But then you didn't bother to look at the page either, did you? The table changed to text and the flags were taken out. A large removal of text doesn't necessarily mean what you fear. Jasepl (talk) 04:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I accept I didn't look at the changes properly but then table mark up confuses me and the diff implied that text had been removed as did the size change. I certainly apologise for using rollback inappropriately. My point is that despite being a fairly experienced user I misunderstood the intent without the help of an edit summary and one would have saved us both some trouble. Anyway, all fixed now :) Spartaz ^Humbug! 04:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
  • No worries, and thanks. I just realised that I did comment for most of the similar changes I made, except the one you caught! haha! I'll be mindful in future. Jasepl (talk) 09:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Go mess up Air India articles

You are so keen on messing up Sri Lankan Airlines destinations list, while meticulously maintaining Air India related articles, why dont you do the same to them as well, lets see how the people there handle you, anyways I'm reporting you.116.71.41.243 (talk) 19:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Montréal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport

As per Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Style guide#French names the city and province does not use the "é" in articles. Thanks. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 23:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

• Fair enough. But it's there in the name of the article (see above!)Jasepl (talk) 04:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I know. It's one of those things. Don't really know why. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 09:36, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Cargolux, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. Triwbe (talk) 19:23, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

• Are you serious? I fixed the link, by removing one word.Jasepl (talk)

Port Blair's airport

Please see Talk:Vir Savarkar Airport#Official name. Jpatokal (talk) 11:33, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

BIAL

Stop undoing my edit to BIAL.

Kingfisher Red is operated by Kingfisher Airlines, NOT the other way around.

I know what I have added, there is no need to start an edit war here.

Please, stop reverting like an idiot.

--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:13, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

You want me to take it to the ariline talk page? The airline page clearly states that Red is a subsidary of Kingfisher Airlines, and there is absolutely NO logical way a subsidary group can operate it's parent group. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:49, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I have left a comment on the talk page. Please explain there, the edit summary was unclear. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 10:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

More comments - please continue the discussion. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 11:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Shut up Old Uncle

Shut up u Uncle!!!!!! u shuld be busy in ur office work then wikipedia.....GET A LIFE MAN.......ur an old uncle.......u know nothing......90% of ur edits are just reverts......and by the way......u havent done any proper edit till now......Really GET A LIFE u uncle..... (Druid.raul (talk) 05:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC))

Personal attacks

I appreciate that messages like the above are not very helpful and User:Druid.raul has been warning about his behaviour. But can I also remind you that your comment on their talk could also be considered a personal attack. Have a read of Wikipedia:No personal attacks and understand that you could be banned from editing for personal attacks. As you have a history with Druid.raul it may be best to not provoke or allow yourself to be provoked. If you have a problem with their edits or actions then come to me or another administrator. Thank you. MilborneOne (talk) 07:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

UDF

UDF is still charged. It isn't going to be collected at the airport anymore, it's gonna be part of the ticket....

Don't you ever read the newspapers? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

• Here you go --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Well then write that - instead of saying "This user development fee is no longer collected for international flights. Only domestic departures have to pay a user development fee of 370Rs".

If you write things that make sense in the first place, you save yourself from anguish! And no, I don't read Bangalore newspapers. Why would I?

Jasepl (talk) 10:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Apart from proving that you don't read newspapers...you've also proved that you're eyes are painted on....

I never made the edit....... an anon IP did it....... and this news wasn't in B'luru newpapers....it was in EVERY newspaper in the country....well almost.... --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Also if you don't read newspapers.....what makes you so qualified to have your edits on Wikipedia, at the same time reverting edits of others who use relaible newspapers to source their information? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:16, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Nadi International Airport

Seems User:Kransky will keep reinserting the former airlines section (and may possibly be heading for a edit war). At the moment, I could not go through the previous discussions on Former destinations. So you may want to keep the article on watch. --Arnzy (talk · contribs) 14:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Kansai International Airport

Date format I'm not sure, but Japan definitely uses US English. HkCaGu (talk) 07:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Emirates and DXB articles

Please discuss your edits before you completely change the articles and remove alot of important info. (MoHasanie (talk) 10:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)).

June 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Melbourne Airport. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Bidgee (talk) 04:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Kuwait City

Please stop removing Kuwait City from the list of airline destinations when it is served. You keep making these edits and I have constantly reverted them. This is an encyclopedia which means the need for consistency. When it comes to listing airline destinations, the format is to include both the city and the airport. The airport on its own is not sufficient, even if it is the only commercial airport in that country. MEA707 (talk) 22:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Blogs as reference

Blogs are only being added till better references can be found, till those are not available let the blogs stay as reference, especially for destinations that are not confirmed and may not be started or may never have a proper refernce even from official sources such as most third world airlines do especially from China, as in they dont ever provide proper reference or never do.116.71.55.13 (talk) 18:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Warning vandals

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made: You may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit was inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. HkCaGu (talk) 07:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Your username page

Just by adding places you have visited and airlines you have flown, to create a page for your username so that it appears blue, like other wiki editors does make make you legitimate as them. Beware of this fraud people, hes just another random editor like the rest of use, only we chose not to have usernames.116.71.43.188 (talk) 17:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Airline destination

Hi Jas. I'm not sure why you're so caught up on continents. The guidelines page you linked to says regions are fine to use. I see no problem with breaking out destinations by the Middle East or Eastern European regions. Central Asia is also a good region to use, and if I'm remembering right was used for BA destinations. Georgia is not part of the European Union and it's not well established that it's a European state. I think using a well established regional term for those states would be fine. Russia is not in Europe but is included there in the BA destinations, I think, which is pretty messed up. Asia is overly broad and there's no reason I can see to insist on only sectioning by continents. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

This issue has been discussed at length several times. And the broad consensus amongst the editors has been to use the British Airways list as an example. And certainly, the established guidelines do say that regions may be used (though this is not recommended if the number of destinations is small). However, CIS is not a region - it is a political grouping. And whilst the Middle East certainly is a region, the term used by the project is Southwest Asia. Also, regions, when used, should be a subset of the continent said region is a part of.

Regards what's in Europe and what's in Asia etc, here's the deal. Many countries are partly in Asia and partly in Europe (Turkey, Russia, Azerbaijan, Georgia etc). Since they identify more with Europe in several aspects (and, of course, for consistency's sake), it's been agreed that they will be listed under Europe. Cyprus, Armenia etc may be members of the EU or of the CoE, but they are physically entirely in Asia - so they get listed under Asia. Their political or cultural leanings are immaterial in this regard. I mean Cyprus could join the South Pacific La-La Union, but that doesn't move the country physically.

As for the Aeroflot article, well, we all know no one 'owns' an article (even if they might consider it to be their 'baby'). In any event, changing formatting and cosmetics around to ensure consistency and adherence to established guidelines isn't vandalism; endlessly reverting those edits to meet an individual's vision of the world is!

Thanks, Jason Jasepl (talk) 07:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

KLM destinations

Stop removing Kuwait City and Manama from the airport names on the destinations of KLM. The airports may not lie in Kuwait City or Manama, but they lie close to these cities. This is the same for most large airports in the world. Just check where Amsterdam Airport Schiphol lies. It lies in the Haarlemmermeer municipality. That's not part of Amsterdam. Still, it is mentioned as Amsterdam - Amsterdam Airport Schiphol. This is the case with most airports. Schalkcity (talk) 17:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a difference between the Netherlands and, say, Singapore - because Singapore is a city-state. A city that is also a country. That is not the case with the Netherlands - and thus the example that you cited. Lots of relatively tiny countries are little more than city-states: Singapore, Luxembourg, San Marino, Monaco, Bahrain, etc etc. Jasepl (talk) 04:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Non-Stop flights

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did to Non-stop flight, you will be blocked from editing. -MBK₀₀₄ 04:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops! That was a mistake! I meant to undo the change by IP user 90.197.100.61 (who basically valdalised a couple of entries in that article)! But rather a drastic 'warning' don't you think? Jasepl (talk) 04:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Your userpage

When you say airlines you have flown... do you mean you've just taken a trip using that opeartor or actually manned the plane from the cockpit? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Ha! No... Only as a passenger. I barely manage to drive! Jasepl (talk) 17:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Edits to BIAL

Please read the discussion on the talk page. There is no suggestion of a merger, the name was merely updated to the new one (with the different code etc.). Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 05:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

The name has not changed either. Air India-IC coded flights (or whatever they claim to call it) is just fluff. Legally it is still Indian Airlines Corporation. And should you want to make a change, please discuss it at the Indian Airlines page, rather than the BLR page. While I realise your interest may lie solely with Bangalore-related things, any such change should be made keeping in mind everything else that will be impacted. Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 05:28, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough (although I don't understand what you mean by just fluff). I have made appropriate changes to the IA page as well, and started a discussion there. Please continue. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 16:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

PS: If you reply here, leave a talkback template on my talk page, otherwise I'll miss the discussion. I accidentally reverted the changes to BIAL as I had not seen your reply above. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 16:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Iaşi International Airport page

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Miami Airport

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United Airlines still flies to Miami from Denver see United.com

Recent edits on Melbourne Airport

Hi Jasepl. It may have been a coincidence, but shortly after I blocked User:M i k e y 86 for edit warring on the Melbourne Airport page, you performed the same edit. Please note that the three revert rule applies to people, not accounts, and if you are the same user as Mikey86 there may be more serious consequences. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 10:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - but it's definitely a pure coincidence. I have no clue about any existing edit wars - all I did was to remove excessive spaces and outdated information and to fix abbreviations. Housekeeping, more or less. Jasepl (talk) 11:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

You removed an entire section with no edit summary; hardly housekeeping. If you believe the Avalon Airport section should not be on the page, discuss it on Talk:Melbourne Airport. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 11:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Palma/Palma de Mallorca

Hello Jasepl. I noticed that you reverted one (maybe more) edit I recently made on an Airport-dest-list changing Palma back to Palma de Mallorca. My understanding was that we use city names in this template (not airport names). Wikipedia has adopted Palma as the official city name, and so surely that should also be used in the template. Please put any response here : I'll watch for a reply. Skinsmoke (talk) 10:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The change of Mahón to Minorca makes sense, but we need to be consistent on this throughout the UK airports. There are numerous cases where Mahón is used (I've corrected many of them from Mahon in the last 24 hours). I'll go in and change them to Minorca later today. Skinsmoke (talk) 11:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey. Palma de Mallorca is not just the airport's name - it is the name of the city, after which the airport has been named. In many Spanish speaking countries, the 'de something' is routinely added to identify the city, because there are often many cities with the same name. So we have Palma de Mallorca, because there are other cities with the same name (search Palma on Wikipedia as wee what you get). Similarly, there are at least 4 cities named Santiago, but one adds 'de Chile', 'de Cuba', 'de Compostela' or 'de los Caballeros'. That's all it is - just like adding either Alabama or United Kingdom after Birmingham. No one's changed the name of the city - but one Palma does need to be differentiated from the other. Jasepl (talk) 11:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Not quite. The official name is Palma though it is sometimes unofficially referred to as Palma de Mallorca. See Palma (Majorca) (which should really be redirected to Palma, Majorca per Wikipedia's naming conventions). Incidentally, the only other Palma with an airport appears to be La Palma. There shouldn't therefore be a problem Skinsmoke (talk) 11:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't matter either way: Saying Palma (Mallorca) or Palma de Mallorca amounts to the same thing, and both are factually correct. That's just the way it is in the Romance languages. Since so many places are called Palma (in Spain, Uruguay, Cuba, Mozambique, Italy, Brazil, etc), one adds the Mallorca suffix to ascertain it is the Palma of Mallorca, and not the Palma of Uruguay, or of Montechiaro, or Mozambique, or wherever. I just think Palma de Mallorca works better than the alternatives. There does need to be a siffix of some sort, however, to remove any disambiguation. Jasepl (talk) 11:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but I really don't see why it's necessary to have a suffix in this case. As you say, there are a number of towns/cities named Palma as follows :-

• Palma, Majorca, Spain : Official name Palma; airport; population 413,781
• Palma, Minas Gerais, Brazil : Official name Palma; no airport; population 6,308
• Palma, Uruguay, : Official name Colonia Palma; no airport; population unlisted; unincorporated rural location in Artigas Departamento
• Palma Campania, Italy : Official name Palma Campania; no airport; population 14,927
• Palma di Montechiaro, Italy : Official name Palma di Montechiaro; no airport ; population 23,927

Clearly the one on Majorca is the principal useage of the name, and the only useage for an airport. Think of it as similar to Birmingham. For Birmingham, West Midlands the Airport-dest-list shows Birmingham; for Birmingham, Alabama it shows Birmingham (AL).

And ultimately my argument is that the name used in the Airport-dest-list should match the name used in Wikipedia generally. Clearly there are difficulties when it is necessary to disambiguate, as the Airport-dest-list does not really lend itself to the Palma, Majorca format, but whereas there may be a need to disambiguate Palma the town/city in Wikipedia (as there are two with that official name), there is no need to disambiguate Palma the airport (as there is only one with an airport}. Skinsmoke (talk) 15:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

BIAL and PatelHandy

Next time someone blanks a section, please go to his talk pake and warn or notify the user. If you are using TWINKLE, this is pretty simple. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Flags in Airport Articles

What are talking about? They are everywhere. Second of all, in my opinion it's the easiest way to identify nationality of an aviation company. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 05:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

DFW Airport

I forgot my my password so I created a new account. DFW Airport (talk), 30 June 2009 (UTC)

LAX cargo flights

Look back further; he added many of those in the beginning. HkCaGu (talk) 08:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ha! You're right. In fact, it seems like there wasn't even a cargo section in the LAX article before he came along - so I'm just going to remove the whole thing. None of the existing entries are referenced anyway and who know which ones exist and which are imaginary. Jasepl (talk) 08:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

July 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Dubai International Airport. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Master3049 (talk • contribs) 10:36, 1 July 2009

Incheon International Airport

In answer to your question, no I wouldn't expect O'Hare International Airport to be described as O'Hare on the destination lists. There is little doubt that O'Hare primarily serves Chicago, the city in which it is located. Nor would I expect Birmingham International Airport to be described as London-Birmingham. It serves a city of over 1 million people and describes itself as Birmingham International Airport. Nor would I expect Düsseldorf International Airport to be described as Cologne-Düsseldorf. It serves a city of over 500 000 and describes itself as Flughafen Düsseldorf International, which translates as Düsseldorf International Airport.

So that brings us to Incheon International Airport. It serves Incheon, a city of 2.2 million people and describes itself as Incheon Gukje Gonghang, which translates as Incheon International Airport. Incheon is a metropolitan city which has the same status as a province. To render this as Seoul-Incheon looks suspiciously like a violation of Wikipedia:No original research. If you can provide verifiable sources that the airport is referred to as Seoul-Incheon, then I might be convinced. In that case, the article at Incheon International Airport would need amending to make it clear that this was the case.

Incidentally Gimpo International Airport is a little different as, even though it describes itself as Gimpo Gukje Gonghang, which translates as Gimpo International Airport, it is actually located in Seoul. Hence, Seoul-Gimpo would be entirely appropriate. Skinsmoke (talk) 18:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Airline destinations

I appreciate your edits are in good faith but as you are aware a number of editors dont always agree with your reversions of their edits. Can I ask that you try to explain more on article talk pages or edit summaries if you have a problem with the edits rather than continually revert. Also need to remind you that comments like before running like a crybaby to an admin is not appropriate (refer WP:CIVIL) and also remind you that have been warned before about personal attacks. Their is a lot of good will to keep the destination articles correct and if you all worked together rather than continually reverting edits then wikipedia can only improve. Thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 22:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Check your facts on Indian Aiports

refer this links

Bengaluru is third busiest as of 2007 and in 2008 also. Chennai was third in 2006, not anymore.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2007/12/29/stories/2007122952131000.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muthu9 (talk • contribs) 06:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The source you just cited says no such thing. Besides, you can't expect an article from 2007 to be current in 2009. You need to look at official sources for accurate, current information. See the statistics published by the Airports Authority of India at http://www.aai.aero and you will find that the 10 busiest airports are (in order): Bombay, Delhi, Chennai, Bangalore, Calcutta, Hyderabad, Cochin, Ahmedabad, Goa, Trivandrum. Jasepl (talk) 06:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The website has no information about top 10 airports of 2009. Moreover the website has some traffic data is of 2006, you are vandalizing Wiki and providing misinformation to wiki followers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.76.214.200 (talk) 14:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Its unfortunate that you couldn't find information that was right in front of you. Here's April 2009 figures, from the same source: http://www.aai.aero/traffic_news/apr2k9annex3.pdf Jasepl (talk) 17:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the problem here is that two different sets of statistics are being quoted. The figures quoted for Bangalore (Bengaḷūru) by Muthu9 are for domestic passengers. The figures shown at Airports Authority of India are for international passengers. Skinsmoke (talk) 23:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The AAI reports have always had three tables: International, Domestic and Total. User Muthu9's doesn't even have figures, but n 2-year old newspaper article that is sloppy at best!Jasepl (talk) 03:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello

I see that you have made many a edits to the Suvarnabhumi airport page and was wondering where you would rank the airport in all the places that you have been. I am always fascinated by airports around the world, i haven't been to that many but given this was a recently completed airport for one of the busiest in the world i would have expected it to be first class. I read a couple of the reviews on world airport awards.com and found the negative ones to be true when i visited recently. There are a whole host of problems which i am baffled about because you think they would get it right. We would all learn from our mistakes and things that are invented or built would be better and aim to be the best. In this case, Suvarnabhumi fails miserably. Its a shame for the Thai people are great. Cheers 211.30.100.235 (talk) 11:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

BMI to Doncaster/Sheffield

I don't see why you keep reverting the section. BMI have (as of July 2009) started flying from Doncaster/Sheffield to Monastir on a seasonal basis, taking over the route when Thomas Cook stopped. 92.21.58.113 (talk) 13:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

It is a charter service; and we don't list charters in destination lists because an aircraft can be chartered to go anywhere. You can't but a ticket to fly from Sheffield to Monastir through bmi, can you? Even bmi don't claim to fly to Sheffield! That's why only scheduled flights are listed. Jasepl (talk) 15:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

List of...

Hi, I did not know that that was the current convention, so sorry about that, nice work!Synchronism (talk) 06:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Northwest/Delta

Jasepl, you are correct that for the time being NW and DL remain separate air carriers, but only so far as their separate Airline Operating Certificates require. In fact, while flights are technically still operated by the two distinct airlines, the airlines have functionally merged into one under the Delta banner. I think it is time to let go the many corrections you have made to keep the two airlines separate. You are right, but only technically. From a consumer standpoint, NWA is now a part of Delta to the same degree Pinnacle and Mesaba were once park of NWA.

On a related note, please note that NW Airlink has ceased to exist. It was always a brand, never a certificated airline, and thus Delta now markets all regional flights (regardless of whether operated by a former NW or DL partner) as Delta Connection. (talk) 23:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Porter Airlines destinations

I have proposed the merger of the article into Porter Airlines, as the list is small and a simple content fork. The discussion is at Talk:Porter Airlines#Merge proposal. Alaney2k (talk) 14:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Airport and Destination names

Thanks for informing me, I will discuss this question at a higher place like the airport project etc. It is inconsistent, for example Fuerteventura Airport lies near Arrecife, but the destination is called Lanzarote (but Madeira is called Funchal). Sylt Airport lies near Westerland; the destination is called Westerland/Sylt. I just thought that there are more people who know where Madeira is than those who know Funchal. Per aspera ad Astra (talk) 13:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• added it here. Per aspera ad Astra (talk) 14:22, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

LH Italia

"it's just Lufthansa with a sticker" -- so what? It is a different product: They have their own fleet of aircraft, different livery and interior, different staff. We even tread LH flights with wet-leased bmi aircraft (LHR to MXP and TXL) as an entry of its own in the airport dest-list - and this is no new airline at all! I really don't understand why you don't see that there is a difference whether a flight is operated with Lufthansa or Lufthansa Italia. Best regards Per aspera ad Astra (talk) 19:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

• Because, like I explained: Lufthansa Italia has the same code, same callsign, same operating certificate, same entity, same everything as Deutsche Lufthansa. And the compare with bmi is not correct, because bmi is a separate airline, with a different code, different callsign, different operating certificate, different everything. It has been discussed at length already - not as if a "discrepancy" was just discovered! Jasepl (talk) 19:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

added it here. Sorry, but I dare say that I think you are way too quick when it comes to revert something. We should discuss it and try to get a broader consensus. Per aspera ad Astra (talk) 19:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure, let's discuss. But then you shouldn't go on an editing rampage without expecting that certain changes may be reverted. Do you honestly think Lufthansa Italia, Hahn and Funchal are new discoveries? Jasepl (talk) 19:31, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

No, but obviously long-since no-one has talked about it. I just felt that something had to change. That's what Wikipedia is: The Free Encyclopdia, that anyone can can edit. Per aspera ad Astra (talk) 19:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Cyprus is in Europe, not Asia

Please do some research on this topic. This encyclopedia is meant to reflect facts, not personal convictions. Cyprus has always been considered a part of Europe, even well before it joined the European Union. Nearly all islands in the Mediterranean are considered part of Europe, even the Greek islands that are very close to Turkey such as Rhodes.

There are two main branches of geography, human geography and physical geography. A continent can be specified by EITHER branch or BOTH. Europe is defined as a continent based on human geographic standards, not physical. Physically, Europe is nothing more than the Westernmost peninsula of Asia.

Here are a number of links which classify Cyprus in Europe:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles/1016541.stm
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/cyprus/
http://www.fodors.com/community/europe/cyprus/

MEA707 (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Again, all of your links point to political/human/cultural/emotional/historic leanings and preferences. Which are perfectly valid, but not applicable in the context of destinations. Physically, Europe does have "boundaries", including the Urals, the Caucasus mountains, the eastern Mediterranean, etc.:Jasepl (talk) 19:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Again, Cyprus has long been considered to be in Europe well before it joined the European Union. The boundaries of Europe you mention are not physical, but were chosen based on human geography standards. Please do some research on the European continent, it's a boundaries are arbitrary and are based on societal and cultural standards. Physically, Europe is a peninsula of Asia just as Alaska is a peninsula of North America. Cyprus has absolutely no physical distinction between Europe and Asia. It lies in the Mediterranean Sea and that is why it is often called a Eurasian country. Whether it lies in Europe or Asia has nothing to do with physical geographic boundaries, there just aren't any.MEA707 (talk) 20:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

The example of Greece is incorrect as well. A few of its islands might be closer to Asia than to Athens, but that does not make the whole country Asian. Will you consider France to be a South American nation because French Guiana is a large part of its territory? Or will you call Israel a European nation because it chose to join the European Olympic Association and because its teams play in the European football leagues?:Jasepl (talk) 19:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Wrong, all Greek Isles are considered to be in Europe. It doesn't matter whether they are closer to Asia than to Athens. Europe's boundaries are largely drawn arbitrarily. Your example about French Guiana is flawed, countries can span multiple continents, just as Turkey and Russia do. Football associations do not classify what continent a country is in.MEA707 (talk) 20:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Exactly! Neither does membership of a political group (eg: the EU) classify the location of a country. Jasepl (talk) 20:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Whatever Cyprus' political leanings may be, it is physically located in Europe. Look at any map! The whole country is about 40 miles off the Asian coast of Turkey. Not just a couple of its little islands. And also see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Countries_of_Europe (note that the template is unchanged for a long time, with zero edits by me). See the notations under each country listed. What does it say for Cyprus? "Entirely in West Asia but having socio-political connections with Europe".Jasepl (talk) 19:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Again, the fact that Cyprus is closer to the Asian mainland than the European mainland is irrelevant. Rhodes is much closer to Asia Minor (Turkish mainland) than the European mainland, but it is considered part of Europe, not Asia. That template states Cyprus is in West Asia based on the UN's geoschemes. Please do some research on the UN's geoschemes. They do not follow traditional schemes of continents. They don't even consider North America and South America as separate continents, they group them under "The Americas" region. The Turkish portion of Thrace is classified as under Western Asia, even though it is well recognized as part of Europe forming the Turkish portion of Europe. The Sinai Peninsula in Egypt which is in Asia, is classified by the UN geoscheme as part of the North African subregion along with the rest of Egypt. ALL of Russia is under the UN's Eastern Europe subregion. Vladivostok and Kamchatka Peninsula are universally recognized as part of Asia and not Europe! The UN's geoscheme is drawn for statistical purposes and do not follow the traditional definition of continents and regions.

Please take a look here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/United_Nations_geographical_subregions.png

By the way, your earlier response about Central America not being in North America is incorrect. Central America very much is classified as a part of North America. The Panama/Colombian border separates North and South America although some advocate for the Panama Canal to be the boundary.MEA707 (talk) 20:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Yet again you're using a political grouping as a basis for your argument. Which, while all well and good, is not valid in this context. The UN may have grouped Siberia in Russia and Thrace in Asia - but that is so that a country does not get split between two groupings. It is a political/logical grouping.

All of the countries you are listing as your examples lie in two continents: Turkey, Russia, Egypt, etc. Cyprus is not such a country. As for Rhodes, it's just one little portion of a much larger country. Should I put down France under North America then?

Cyprus is a member of the EU - whatever their reasons may be. Israel has joined several European organisations for political reasons. Tomorrow Iceland may decide to join the Organisation of African states because of some newfound love for the Tutsi people. That doesn't mean the countries physically moved, does it? They remain located where they always have been. In the case of Cyprus, that is Asia.

Jasepl (talk) 20:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not using political groups as a basis for my argument. I'm going by the traditional definition of the world's 7 continents and Cyprus is classified as part of Europe in this traditional definition. The UN's geoschemes do not represent the UN's views on the world's continents. Please do some research. The UN's geoschemes are created by the UN's statistical division and are groups made for statistical purposes, this is why they combine countries that are considered in multiple continents as part of one sub region, Russia being the classic example. The UN surely does not view the entire Russian Federation as part of "Eastern Europe." They have classified it as such for STATISTICAL purposes. Again, please do some research on what the UN's geoschemes are all about. France under North America? Where on Earth did you get that from? Because of their possession of Saint Pierre and Miquelon? Again, countries can span multiple continents. The French mainland is in Europe, but French Guiana is in South America and Saint Pierre and Miquelon is in North America. Membership in political organizations does not define what continent a country lies on. Cyprus has been considered part of Europe long before it joined the EU in 2004 and has been classified as such for cultural and societal reasons.

Your argument about Cyprus being closer to the Asian mainland is flawed. Iceland is closer to North America than it is to Europe, so I guess that means Iceland is not a European country, but a North American country? MEA707 (talk) 21:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

And you're back to the same thing: "Cyprus has been ... classified as such for cultural and societal reasons."

Whoever argued against that? Political/human/cultural/emotional/historic leanings and preferences are lovely. But that doesn't do anything for physical location. Jasepl (talk) 05:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

You keep insisting that Cyprus is physically located in Asia. There is nothing to suggest that it is physically located in Asia and not in Europe or that it physically located in Europe and not in Asia. It's an island in the Mediterranean Sea. There are no physical attributes to show that it is in one and not the other. Physically, it is in Eurasia. Please check the Cyprus page, you'll see it is labeled a Eurasian country. Furthermore, if you check the categories below, you will see that it is listed under the Islands of Asia and Islands of Europe categories. Cyprus' geographical position is a bit complicated. Physically, geographers regard it as a Eurasian country, but politically/culturally/societal it is without a doubt European and for that reason, it is considered to be a European country. Please do some research on the concept of Europe as a continent. It's not your typical continent like Africa, Australia, or North and South America are. Europe is a continent based on political/societal grounds. The Ural Mountains, Caucasus Mountains, and the Bosphorus were chosen arbitrarily. The conventional definition of a continent is a large landmass surrounded by water. Europe does not fit this conventional definition. Physically, it is a massive peninsula in Eurasia.

Here is a great article in Encyclopedia Britannica about Europe. It specifically talks about Cyprus' status. Take a look at the map it provides.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/195686/Europe

Please note also that we are talking about an airline destination page. Nearly all airlines serving Cyprus treat it as a European destination. British Airways for example which has a strong operation in Cyprus treats it as part of its European network with flights assigned a European flight number (BA 6XX like ATH and IST versus BA 1XX for its its Middle Eastern routes such as CAI, TLV, DXB) and European inflight service (Club Europe, not Club World). MEA's flights to/from Larnaca are ME 261/261. ME 2XX flight numbers are assigned for Europe flights only.MEA707 (talk) 20:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll give you BA's numbering of its flights to Tripoli. BA's North African service (excluding Egypt) is included in their Europe network. I'm well aware that AF's TLV flights are part of their European operations. They are one of the few if not only European carriers that includes TLV as part of their European operations, the rest treat TLV as part of their Middle Eastern operations. Regarding Delta, no, BOM is not included in their European network. DL doesn't have a formal flight numbering scheme. Some of its Europe flights are DL 1XX, some are just DL 0XX. DL's EZE flights are DL 1XX. There's no formal numbering scheme that distinguishes between European and Asian flights for DL. Tokyo and Seoul both have a DL 0XX flight number just like some European flights. MEA707 (talk) 01:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Delta/Northwest

Hi. I reverted your edit on Honolulu International Airport. Direct flight between Honolulu and Atlanta is not operated by Northwest Airlines aircraft, but by Delta Air Lines flight 802 and 803.--Belle Equipe (talk) 20:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Basle/Mulhouse

Hi Jaspel, hope you read my message posted at Milbornes talk page, wish everything works out fine, regarding Basle/Mulhouse, I know Mulhouse is in France, infact I added the airport in Korean Air destinations article, as it did not exist there before, if Basle had its own airport KE would be flying there, because the cargo is headed for that city, but I get what you are trying to say its a JFK/EWR kind of thing where EWR gets listed if an airline is serving NYC through it, at the same time its different with one airport serving a large city / economic centre and a small town where it just so happens to be located and that too in another country, anyways no worries and take care.115.42.67.209 (talk) 15:10, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you okay?

Jaspel, where are you? hope everything is okay.116.71.39.236 (talk) 18:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, just checked your contribs, good to see you in action, hey you might find this helpful [2] in staying away from the computer.116.71.39.236 (talk) 18:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Seasonal Flights

I don't see any ATL-CZM nonstop flights in DL timetables/scheds until March 2010. Also, I just looked up flights between ATL and TLV and you will have to go thru JFK (up until March 2010) that's when I see the nonstop ATL-TLV (DL151/152). Unless, you know which days these flights are operating, I would denotate them as seasonal. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 03:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Punta Cana International Airport

Hi Jasepl. When you get a chance, can you take a look at the article? I think that some IPs, a registered editor, and I on having issues with Delta flights to DTW and MSP. When I looked thru DL/NW's booking engine, the flights to DTW and MSP are operated by Northwest using A320s. However, they continue to assumed that Delta and Northwest are now one carrier. I tried to explain to them that eventhough they are owned by the same company, they still have different certificates, codes, aircraft, crew, etc. Thanks! B'ham35242 (talk) 04:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The IPs continue to write "DL operated by NW" for the flights to DTW/MSP and continue to assume that DL/NW are now merged. Put a note on IP's talk page to refer to the discussion at DL talk page. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 03:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

DL PVG

Hey Jasepl. Regarding Delta flights to PVG. Nonstop flights from Atlanta end September 1. Per NW timetables, nonstop from Detroit will remain a NW 747 until October 24th then the route will be flown on a Delta 777 as NW 789/790. Thanks! B'ham35242 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC).

You're right! I just checked and made a minor fix in the DL destinations page. Jasepl (talk) 05:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Kosovo

Hi Jaspel, why are you moving Kosvo to Serbia when most major countries recognize its independance.115.42.76.180 (talk) 15:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

• See the Kosovo article; it's regarded as a "disputed territory". Jasepl (talk) 18:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Please STOP!

Your reverts are leaving out destination airports! What is worse, a wrong name convention or leaving out an airport entirely? Please stop reverting for the sake of doing so! --Cyber Fox (talk) 16:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

If you feel a destination is left out, then please, by all means go ahead and add it- please make sure you include a valid source too. But please don't mess with the entire list. For example, it is Weeze, and not Dusseldorf-Weeze, etc etc. Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 16:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

....

1. I MY SELF HAVE TAKEN A FLIGHT OUT LAX-BJX..AND IT WAS ON THEIR MAINLINE AEROMEXICO..WHICH HAPPEN TO BE AROUND 9 DAYS AGO..

  I'M SURE WHAT U HAVE HEARD WAS JUST A MISTAKE. LOOK UP A FLIGHT ON AEROMEXICO.COM TO LEON AND CHECK WHAT IT TELLS YOU..

2. THANK YOU.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.154.146.248 (talk) 03:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

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Airport Name Changes

Please can you stop changing the names of airports served from CWL and various others that you have got involved with. Airport names are the primary focus of destinations not the place that they serve, ie Mahón NOT Minorca. Please leave the airport names in place as they are what airlines serve NOT the islands/cities in which they are place. There is no justification for changing the names to the places served instead of the airports served. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanrailuk (talk • contribs) 22:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Quite the opposite. It is the city served that is the listing objective. It's also been discussed a lot over time, and there are plenty of guidelines as well. I see you are a relatively infrequent user, focused on a limited region/articles, so it would be good to familiarise yourself with naming conventions, formats and other good stuff at WP:Airports, Wp:Airlines etc. Thanks.Jasepl (talk) 01:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

About LAX and SJO

Hello. About SJO, let me remind you this is the English Wikipedia. In the English-speaking world, Costa Rica's capital city is known as San José or San José, C.R., not San José DE Costa Rica. Furthermore, I have been an avid Wikireader since 2005 and when it came to airline & destinations listings, San José has been consistently listed as San José or San José (CR). San José de Costa Rica is certainly not the 'standard' form of listing Costa Rica's capital city, unless one single user has been changing that in every airport article.

About LAN Airlines flights to Los Angeles (LAX), both LAN Airlines (Chile) and LAN Perú operate flights to Los Angeles. It just so happens that LAN Airlines (Chile) flights to LAX (LA600/601) involve a stop in Lima, no aircraft change involved. Having taken LAN flights to LAX from Santiago (SCL) twice this year, I can assure you that flight LA600 leaves Santiago with its final destination being LOS ANGELES, via LIMA. Same for the return flight (LA601). In Lima, passengers originating in Chile/US did not have to leave the aircraft at any time.

I just hope that this will clear up these two 'issues'. It would be completely stupid for us to get involved in an edit war just because of those issues. Thank you. Francoperuvien (talk) 04:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

A380 ready airports

Where is the recorded consensus that this has been discussed before? Thanks, Mtaylor848 (talk) 17:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Tuifly ends CGN-MAN

Hi Jasepl, thanks for removing this flight from the dest-list of Manchester Airport. In order to help Wikipedia to stay on the current, please also keep in mind to remove the route from both airports. In this case, I have changed CGN accordingly. Best regards Per aspera ad Astra (talk) 19:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Air China service to GRU

Thanks for restoring Air China to the GRU page. Apparently, the flight is bookable on their website as CA 907/908 (GRU-MAD-PEK). Air China actually announced it on their website and i have added it as a reference on the GRU page. However, it states that CA will codeshare with JJ on the route. I am not sure if CA will operate all segments of the route or parts by both CA/JJ. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 04:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for work on Indore

Respected, Thanks for the edits done on Indore page, you rightly said "remove nonsense and non-notable additions; this is not meant to be a travel guide, tourist brochure, advertisement or geography lesson". I too was trying to remove such things but due to its vastness, cant do it, so added advertisement template :) but i will keep watch of it ,as some anonymous users editing & doing advertisements. I wish to know what can be added & removed in Cities Projects, One more thing i found out certain users had posted wrong or irrelevant pictures in wikipedia using wiki Commons( they are claiming a copyrighted works of someone else to be their), so how can we treat this thing..Please guide. (Abutorsam007 (talk) 18:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)).

SHUT UP UNCLE

SHUT UP UNCLE............lolzzzzzzzzz (Druid.raul (talk) 04:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC))

I ACHIEVED MENTAL SATISFACTION by reverting ur edits.....(Druid.raul (talk) 04:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC))

Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport - 3rr notice

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. . I have also sent this notice to User:Druid.raul --Sb617 (talk · contribs) 07:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

NWA

The flight number is same. Jet Airways flights stop at Brussels and AI flights stop at Frankfurt, suppose they take another aircraft of the same type but different registration then? The Hyderabad Airport website clearly mentions New York City and Chicago in its arrivals and departures schedule, IT DOES'NT MATTER THE AIRCRAFT IS CHANGED OR NOT SO LONG AS THE FLIGHT NUMBER IS SAME,the Flight operates on the planned route. (Druid.raul (talk) 19:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC))

Your always Wrong U OLD UNCLE. (Druid.raul (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC))

I won't allow you to do what ever u like.....(Druid.raul (talk) 19:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC))

Hi Jasepl. I have removed Mumbai from DTW page and DTW from the BOM page. Clearly the flight changes planes at AMS....and it states clearly at the WP:AIRPORTS guidelines that aircraft and flight number must be the same for the flight to be truly direct. A hidden note needs to be added though. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 19:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! No way it is a direct flight anyway, so I'm not sure why this user keeps insisting it is direct; he won't discuss it on the project page either. And what lovely language!

Regards the note, I don't care either way. But I don't recall seeing similar notes for any other such flights (eg: DL 110 routes EZE-ATL-LAX and UA 955 routes LHR-SFO-SAN, etc etc - but there's no footnotes for those flights). Jasepl (talk) 20:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I just realised you said hidden note (and not footnote). So never mind my last ramble! Thanks! Jasepl (talk) 20:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jasepl. I've got the same thing to say as 74.183.173.237 above. Unless there's one day a week where the plane type is the same, it's not listable. Add some hidden note using the <!-- --> wiki markup down below. HkCaGu (talk) 20:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

And actually, NW 93/94 (DTW-AMS-BOM) is a codeshare......DTW-AMS route is actually NW 68 (same departure time from DTW) but AMS-BOM is NW 94. But anyways, still it can't be listed. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 20:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Fleet Changes

See the Airbus Deliveries for IC Fleets = [3]. [4]
See the Boeing deliveries site for AI Fleet = [5]

THE FLEET CHANGES EVERYDAY BECAUSE THE PLANES ARE BEING MANUFACTURED FAST BY YOUNG PEOPLE, NOT OLD USELESS UNCLES, WHO TAKE 100yrs to make 1 plane :)

P.S. I hope you like the above Joke (Druid.raul (talk) 10:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC))

Seriously, can;t you stop fighting? Can't you make peace with each other? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Indore Article.

Thanks for reverting VAndalism on Indore Article, but see this one : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indore&diff=312014338&oldid=312002234 You had removed the Data Reference """" I think placing references is not a Vandalism. Is this reference not to be included as per Wiki citing & referencing Policies.Please Assist. (Abutorsam007 (talk) 16:04, 5 September 2009 (UTC))

Be careful

Be careful is a Hometech (talk · contribs) edits articles which you edit, especially one like BIAL which is a target for potential vandals. Hometech seems to think that what he does is right, [thought some people praise him to no extent]

Regards,

--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Budapest

Should there be a request for page protection? You seem to know the activity of the tel-aviv/Budapest vandal as you call him, the IP who keeps editing the Budapest article and changes numbers to ones that no longer match the sources provided. Hobartimus (talk) 17:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Enjoy

		The Minor Barnstar
		For all your work on Bengaluru International Airport, to keep it safe from Vandals, and for general friendliness on Wikipedia, I, Rsrikanth05, award you this Barnstar --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Delta MEX-MCO flights

Hi Jasepl. One IP continue to list Orlando as a destination for Delta from Mexico City. However, I could not find any nonstop flights from MEX to MCO (only flights are operated by AM). Also, user stated in edit summary that the flight is DL521 routed MEX-MCO0 from the airport's website. However, DL521 does not exist in their schedules/timetables from DL nor it not MEX-MCO. I justed wanted to know if this flight is operated on the weekend, is it seasonal, or the nonstop flight ended? Thanks! 74.183.173.237 (talk) 02:53, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey. It doesn't look like this flight exists at all. Certainly not accordingly to Delta! IP may be looking at old information (DL used to fly the route) or maybe just ben on listing an imaginary flight! Jasepl (talk) 03:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I would watch the page for a couple of days since the IP will continue to add the flight. Thanks! 74.183.173.237 (talk) 05:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

AI/IC

Thats because i only looked at the equipment which was A319,A320,A321 and not the flight numbers. i saw the AI flight numbers only last week.

P.S. Please don't teach me aviation/airline related stuff, i was on Wikipedia much much before you were, its only i made a account in 2008. (Druid.raul (talk) 10:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC))

Delta Shuttle?US Airways Shuttle Flights

Users continue to revert my edits to LGA, BOS, and DCA and made Delta Shuttle operating as a airline (Delta Shuttle operated by Shuttle America). As these "Shuttle" flights, operate as mainline flights. Also, Shuttle America is a Delta Connection franchisee. Could you please watch these pages for several days. Thanks! 74.183.173.237 (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

And also, US Airways Shuttle flights are treated as US Airways flights...a user also change it to US Airways Shuttle. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport

One IP continues to add Southwest Airlines as a hub however, Southwest Airlines does not use a hub-spoke system (or do they?) so instead they use focus cities according to the infobox. A discussion was started at the talk page regarding this...feel free to comment when you get a chance. Thanks! 74.183.173.237 (talk) 04:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

BOM-DAC

If you put Dhaka , then you should also put the date when it begins ...........YOU BLOODY LOSER UNCLE. (Druid.raul (talk) 09:01, 24 September 2009 (UTC))

Brackets/Airport Guidelines

I'm not arguing with you but could you show me where the guidelines are for airports? I think it makes more sense to make all the express carriers similar.

When there's several entries one below the other for the same carrier, only the first one needs to be linked. That avoids needless links and also goes to show that it's the same carrier/grouping. Your changes were mostly restricted to O'Hare and Dulles; see any of the other airports and you will find:

• Austrian Airlines
• Austrian Airlines operated by Tyrolean Airways

or

• KLM
• KLM operated by PrivatAir

or

• Delta Air Lines
• Delta Air Lines operated by Shuttle America
• Delta Connection operated by Comair
• Delta Connection operated by Pinnacle Airlines

Also, we use square brackets and write a lower case "b" for "begins", lower case "e" for "ends" etc.

The projects I referred to are WP:Airlines and WP:Airports. Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 21:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I normally don't capitalize begins or ends. That was a one-time mistake.--24.131.140.72 (talk) 21:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Why do you insist on tiny images?

It degrades the Heathrow article. I can't make out what some of those images are of. Why the iron-fisted instistence on a badly chosen 180ps default (widely recognised as such). Tony (talk) 15:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, I've raised it at the WikiProject. Tony (talk) 15:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd have reverted the revolting post below for you, but I see you've chosen not to do that. I do hope it has been reported. Tony (talk) 15:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Jasepl, can you get together half a dozen or so recent diffs of his behaviour? I think it's shocking. Is it directed at you alone? Tony (talk) 16:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

SHUT UP PATHETIC LOSER UNCLE

GET A LIFE UNCLE, DON'T YOU HAVE ANY WORK OTHER THEN EDITING ON WIKIPEDIA WHICH IS MEANT FOR STUDENTS AND NOT FOR OLD UNCLES LIKE YOU. YOU STUPID UNCLE, YOU PATHETIC LOSER, SEE HOW PATHETIC YOUR LIFE IS THAT BEING A MAN YOU HAVE NO WORK BUT TO COME WITH YOUR PATHETIC SELF AND DO WORK THAT IS NOT MEANT FOR PEOPLE OF YOUR AGE

(Druid.raul (talk) 14:37, 29 September 2009 (UTC))

Leeds Airport

//copied// Of course the name to use for Minorca wouldn't be discussed at the Leeds Airport page - because it's got nothing to do with Leeds (and everything to do with Minorca!). Jasepl (talk) 07:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC) ////

However, the entry on the Leeds page does. I'm not an expert on the spelling of the place name. It's Minorca on the island wiki and Menorca on the airport wiki. However the reference provided (i.e. Jet2) states Menorca, tipping the balance towards the original edit.

TBH, I'm not that bothered, but if it's that important to you then feel free to RV again. Maybe set the "Menorca Airport" wiki as your next target! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcalvert (talk • contribs) 08:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh not at all; it’s simply a result of much discussion, to ensure consistency. Bottom line came down to the English language name of the place (which, for whatever reason, is Minorca). However, the airport's name itself follows local convention/legality (hence Menorca airport). Similar to Hanover (English spelling) but Hannover Airport.

And one can’t expect the issue to be discussed at the Leeds Airport page; it’s a much larger debate, therefore it was appropriately discussed at the project page itself.Jasepl (talk) 08:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

IP making DL/NW changes

Can you please watch IP 76.95.138.32, who has been changing Northwest flights to Delta flights to many articles as the airlines have NOT merged yet. I have reverted most of them but he will probably change more. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 00:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

About Rio de Janeiro Galeão Airport

Dear Jasepl, as you might have noticed, I've been trying to update articles about Rio airports. Today I noticed that in relation to GIG, on the paragraph Accidents and incidents, you made a few corrections and it is about them that I ask: 11 JAN 59 the LH flight originated in HAM and stopped in FRA. DKR was a technical stop but you thought best to leave the German cities out; 11 NOV 61 the PB flight route was LIS/SID/REC/GIG but the order was corrected making it seem that it was LIS/GIG/SID/REC, which even geographically makes no sense; 29 SEP 06 the G3 flight was MAO/BSB/GIG, the accident happened between MAO and BSB but you left exactly as it was. For the sake of consistency and clarity I ask: which is the appropriate way of listing? - should we list just the immediate cities from/to which the aircraft departed to/arrived from? In this case the PB and G3 flights should be left out; however in the case of PB, REC was more of a technical stop being Rio the main destination. - should we list the entire route so that we give a clearer image of the flight (the case of LH)

Previously I consistently listed the entire routing of the flight up to Rio or from Rio. Furthermore, advised by yourself I did not use via, which you re-instated in the case of PB. Which is wikipedia's policy? Thanking for your clarification, Yours Faithfully, (Brunoptsem (talk) 16:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC))

Olá Bruno! You may be right - I might made a mess whilst trying to clean up; I'll take a look and fix it where needed. As for the routing of flights, if you're listing them in the accidents section, I think it's fine to include the via airports. But, in the main destinations table (where we list currently operating airlines & destinations), we don't say "via". We just list the destinations in alphabetical order. Obrigado! Jasepl (talk) 20:47, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Jasepl! (Brunoptsem (talk) 21:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC))

Druid.raul

No problem. I've had a few concerns myself recently about this one. Had I put two and two together I'd have filed a SPI long ago. Mjroots (talk) 08:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I've already raised this at WP:ANI, please feel free to add your evidence there. Mjroots (talk) 19:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

In case you missed it! Mjroots (talk) 14:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Ha! Good find... thanks! Not sure what the problem is - but some of the antics do crack me up. FYI, some of the "finds": are true, some false. Jasepl (talk) 14:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Newark Airport renaming of Terminal A

I have started a discussion at the EWR talk page and at WP:AIRPORTS. I am not sure if the name is official or not. Snoozlepet (talk) 19:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Delta Shuttle/US Airways Shuttle flights

Here we go again....probably same IP with the disruption before. Snoozlepet (talk) 15:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Just saw your note and went and took a look. I'm pretty sure it's the same user. I'm also pretty sure user:Editor800 and user:AirTran660 are socks of the most prolific recent vandal for these articles: user:AirTran371 - who was banned yesterday. Ugh! Jasepl (talk) 15:59, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Zaps93

Can you please control this guy at Saudi Arabian Airlines fleet section.115.42.67.101 (talk) 17:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

New found love affair? first Milborne succumbs to his charms now you? oh theres another one Mjroots who always pops up after a whule to defend him.116.71.32.43 (talk) 18:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I've got to admit, that is kind of pathetic! Zaps93 (talk) 20:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

location of countries

So basically, the National geographic and the Encyclopedia Britannica have the right of way over the UN. The latter states that both Georgia and Azerbaijan are part of Asia. This is ridiculous. Something that is widely accepted doesn't make it the right fact. In my opinion, and in the UN's opinion, both these countries should be in Asia. They are physically in Asia. How can a country west of Azerbaijan be in Asia (Armenia), while itself is in Europe. Not to mention that The World Factbook supports the UN conclusion as well.

Thenoflyzone (talk) 21:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The UN isn't wrong, and you opinion isn't wrong either. But yiu need to look at the basis on which the UN forms its subregions. Physical location is not the UN's only criteria; convenience, commonality , etc have all been factored in. That is why there are so many differing opinions of what lies where.. Pooking at pure physical location, there will be slight differences. Jasepl (talk) 21:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:Oversight

Fr future reference: If David Raul's socks adds any personal information that you would prefer to keep off-wiki, just send a quick email to oversight with the diff and it will be deleted from wiki (so that even admins cannot view it). Cheers and happy editing. Abecedare (talk) 17:05, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

All your flawed edits

Listen....It's not an add or a detailed route by route, but rather a focus city list mandated by WP:Airlines and we agreed on that list and the legitimacy of its sources a year ago. Also, the airline shuttle's have for years been listed and agreed upon and that will carry on for several years more regardless of your opinion. Both shuttles are in fact their own entities being bought and sold by several airlines throughout history(US Airways had to buy stakes in Trump Shuttle, formerly Eastern before they owned it all and PanAm sold theirs to Delta-it's more than just landing and take off slots!) and even if they are now in some cases just considered to be brands then that is no different then when listed Delta Express operated by Delta, Song operated by Delta, United Shuttle operated by United, Ted operated by United, or Metrojet operated by US Airways so it should remain listed as it is. Editor800 (talk) 20:02, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

To Editor800: First of all, you did not discuss your changes on the talk page or at WP:AIRPORTS (not just Jasepl reverting your edits but other users as well disagree). Second, you have been warned many times about your continuous edit warring and you didn't discuss your changes after your previous block expired. Please stop being disruptive....you can discuss your changes at the talk pages and get a consensus. Until you do, your edits will continue to be reverted. Snoozlepet (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

That Southwest list comes from back in the history and the talk archives for last summer include its approval despite my not being involved. All I did was return a long standing agreed upon list to the forefront. Oh and yea, sorry dude you can't block me :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.162.19.66 (talk) 22:01, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Turkey

Hi Jasepl, I noticed how you have been putting all destinations in Turkey under Europe, can I ask why? Turkey is an Eurasian country and the destinations in Bodrum, Dalaman, etc, are in Asian Turkey, but Istanbul in European. They are both in different continents. I believe this has been discussed before and was agreed, though I am not sure. Regards, Zaps93 (talk) 22:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Jasepl, my mistake, no it hasn't been agreed but was once discussed but has since been archived. I believe we should reopen discussions? Zaps93 (talk) 22:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you know, I have started a discussion for it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines so if you could put your opinion there! Thanks! Zaps93 (talk) 23:08, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I am Sorry Jasepl

I give up. You win. i think its not possible to argue with you after all. Sorry for abusing and all. From today i'wont be coming on Wikipedia. So please see to it that the Air India, Jet Airways, Kingfisher articles are kept up to date because they were the ones which i uses to edit the most. Keep a special watch on User talk:GS350 who keeps on bring his own theories on Etihad Airways . Once again sorry for abusing and giving badwords. Goodbye , Aaujo, Sayonara
User:Druid.raul (talk) (203.115.93.192 (talk) 14:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC))

Should Narita be considered a focus city for United?

A user has added Tokyo-Narita as a focus city for United. Is this true?? Snoozlepet (talk) 01:57, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Belgrade Airport

Hey body,that is not my fault 'cause you don't understand sources in Serbian news or internet portals.Than that is your problem,because this article is about Serbia.I gave you a source,so it seems that you vandalize and put false informations on article about Belgrade airport,maybe you are better informed somewhere God knows where.Also you can use internet in other way,like to go in official site of Nikki,and check.They already sell tickets for such destinations,so I don't know what you are talking about?Most editors has only IP adresses,so I consider to ask administrators to put restrictions.Also I arrange this article couple of years... Bg007l 13 october 2009

Air India

Hi, i've reverted your recent edit of Air India and NACIL.
Of the 111 aircraft ordered Air India has recieved 15 A319-100s , 15 A321-200s, 17 737-800s, 8 777-200LRs, 9 777-300ERs.
see these links - http://home.airindia.in/SBCMS/Webpages/extends-state-art-B777.aspx
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Air%20India-active-b777.htm, thanks
(Marcosino Pedros Sancheza (talk) 13:03, 15 October 2009 (UTC))

What do you think you are doing on my User Page and Talk Page

I just signed in and saw this [6] and this [7]? You do realise what you are doing? I am taking this as a minor misunderstanding. Please do not do it next time, otherwise i have no choice but to complain to a administrator. (Marcosino Pedros Sancheza (talk) 19:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC))

First of all, How can you accuse me of something, i don't know who are you talking about. Second of all, i am not a "sock" ( i don't even know what it means) of any one. i've been editing on wikipedia since 2005-2006 but never bothered to make an account. i just made a account this month. I use to edit as 11x.xx.xx.xx before.
Please Stop or i have to complain to a administrator. If you want me to keep off the Air India article i will, but don't accuse me of something i have'nt done or don't even know about. i rarely edit Airline articles, i just edited the Air India article because i had gone to London this month on Air India on a new 777 registered VT-ALR which happens to be their latest. (Marcosino Pedros Sancheza (talk) 19:22, 15 October 2009 (UTC))

Sockpuppet issue with I.P. 203.115.93.206

Hi Jasepl, just been looking on my discussion page. User:Ilyushka88 kindly reverted an edit made by an I.P (203.115.93.206) saying that my account is a sockpuppet to yours LOL. I believe this account is definately a sockpuppet to Druid.raul after the insultive Edit Summary he left... I don't know if you saw but it said '(Undid revision 320188241 by Ilyushka88 (talk) HI BASTARD IMPOTENT UNCLE MOTHERFUCKER)', I noticed it was the same type of langauge used by him. Kind regards, Zaps93 (talk) 17:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey yeah, I saw that. I got something just as vile - as did a couple of other users, I think. Thanks for the heads-up! Jasepl (talk) 17:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

No probs mate. I think I shall be keeping an eye too now as he referred to me as a sockpuppet which I think is just plain rude. Regards. Zaps93 (talk) 17:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Watchlisted as well. ^Khukri 18:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 20:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

No problems, I've been round and tidied a few things up and as an uninvolved admin I think I have an idea of this sockpuppets MO. So any problems just give me a shout. Regards ^Khukri 20:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Jasepl. You have new messages at Abecedare's talk page.
Message added 17:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Abecedare (talk) 17:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

125.132.34.54‎ (Korean vandal)

I guess you beat me by a few seconds in reverting ICN and OZ dests. I gave him/her the 4th level warning. If he/she does it again, please don't hesitate to make a report at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. HkCaGu (talk) 03:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Ha! So I did. Will do... Thanks! Jasepl (talk) 05:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

He struck again. Reported him at WP:AIV. Snoozlepet (talk) 03:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Ever thought about archiving?

Hey, just wondering if you have ever thought of archiving the old discussions here? It's very long and can be quite annoying to scroll through. Just thought I'd see if you had thought of it. Kind regards, Zaps93 (talk) 20:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Here you go, saw your reply on Zaps page as I have him watchlisted as a Rhp target as well. See User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo. ^Khukri 10:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

You beat me to it! haha. Yeah, follow those steps, it is what I did. Regards, Zaps93 (talk) 15:49, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

IPs

Hi there. First of all sorry for putting a horrible great list like this on your talk page, but I need to get the Rhp 26 (talk · contribs) sock issue cleaned up so I know what to look for. I've already blocked one IP this morning, and have warned I will block without any warnings IPs carrying out personal attacks on yourself and a couple of other editors.

• First of all there are a number of IP socks you listed that have very little or no edits, and would like to clarify how you know they are socks of Rhp 26?
  • 203.115.185.83 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.101 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.12 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.124 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.15 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.18 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.21 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.22 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.4 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.59 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.77 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.83 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.75.181.96 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.76.181.15 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.76.181.21 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)
  • 203.76.181.59 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS)

• Secondly there are a couple of IPs with limited number of edits that could be caught in the cross fire and their edits might be those of an innocent editor. What proof do we have that these edits are in fact those of Rhp 26.
  • 203.76.181.124 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited Kingfisher Airlines
  • 203.115.93.155 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited Kingfisher Airlines fleet info
  • 203.115.93.222 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited Kingfisher Airlines fleet info
  • 203.76.181.22 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited fleet info of various airlines, including Air India, Kingfisher Airlines, GoAir, Etihad Airways
  • 203.76.181.4 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited Kingfisher Airlines fleet info
  • 203.76.181.77 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited National Aviation Company of India Limited fleet info
  • 203.76.185.96 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport flete info

• Lastly these edits fit the m.o. of Rhp 26, but would like a final clarification. What I think would be useful is an extension of the report you gave to the sockpuppet request, explaining what his edits consist of i.e. misinformation, vandalism etc and the fact that they are predominantly airport and aircraft related, especially w.r.t. Indian airlines etc.
  • 203.115.93.211 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited Air India fleet info; and Automobile industry in India
  • 203.115.93.227 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited fleet info for most of the airlines of India
  • 203.115.93.241 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited Air India, Kingfisher Airlines
  • 203.115.93.83 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited fleet info for Jet Airways, Indian Airlines, Kingfisher Airlines
  • 203.76.185.101 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited MDLR Airlines of India, and reverted his own edits regarding the way New York is listed in airline destination lists (after he was blocked for some othe reason)
  • 203.76.185.83 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) - edited fleet info for GoAir, Etihad etc (mostly reverts of others' edits after being blocked)

I've discounted all the blatant socks with personal attacks etc. Regards ^Khukri 08:27, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Reply

Hey - thanks for looking into this. Below is what I put together. Do let me know if this information is useful, or if you need additional inpput. Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 09:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

First list

I couldn't find any edits for all but one IP, but I did notice that I'm the one who tagged each of them. I'm pretty sure I haven't been just randomly tagging without a preceeding edit though. Could it be that the edit was deleted (and thefore vanished from history)?

Second & third list

Also, there is a clear theme in the nature of the edits and the edit summaries themselves:

1. IPs have for the most part edited articles on airlines of India, or airports/airlines in general
2. Within those articles, the fleet information is what the IPs have most heavily edited
3. Edits are usually unsourced or unexplained
4. Liberal use of the word "put" in edit summaries
5. Many "I am right you are wrong" typpe edits/summaries
6. Many edits are negations of other users' edits (effectively, revert to last version by Druid.raul or one of the socks)
7. Upon closer examination of the edit histories of all of the articles listed above, including Automobile industry in India, there's another recurrent theme:

Each of these articles was initially edited by Druid.raul, followed by Marcosino Pedros Sancheza, interspersed with edits by one of the above IPs. Some even had the puppermaster - Rhp 26 - editing them over a year ago.

Eg 1: Automobile industry in India

• 19-Oct-2009: 203.115.93.211
• 18-Oct-2009: Marcosino Pedros Sancheza
• 12-Oct-2009: Marcosino Pedros Sancheza

Eg 2: National Aviation Company of India Limited

• 18-Oct-2009: Marcosino
• 11-Oct-2009: 203.76.185.125
• 9-Oct-2009: 203.76.181.22
• 4-Oct-2009: Druid.raul
• 15-Sep-2009: 203.76.185.101
• 16-Mar-2009: Druid.raul
• 12-Jul-2008: Rhp 26

Repsonse

First of all sorry for re-factoring your talk page, usually it's not something I'd do, but with the list and the risk of getting people caught in cross fire, I'd like to be sure so I've moved some of your comments up to my list.

I had a look in deleted contributions and cannot see any thing for the first list so I'm at a loss to identify why they are tagged as socks. If you cannot remember why, may I suggest you remove the tags until we have some proof, as it's not accepted practice to put these tags on pages without reasonable proof or that they passed a check user etc.

For the second group similar applies, in that though they edited the article, assuming good faith, there is a possibility that someone from the same geographical area may wish to edit articles on a subject in the region. So unless we have proof that it is Rhp we should be sure again by checkuser etc, which they will not do for frivolous requests.

The third group hasn't involved personal attack against any of you guys, though they have edited in a mendacious manner with respect to these articles. So re-visit each one, for each one identify what edits are identical to the socks edits, or have involvement and put the diffs next to the IPs for future proof with any other evidence, you may also wish to add the IPs I instantly discluded, like the ones I or other admins have blocked, including a bit of back ground history. The more information you add the easier it is for a third party uninvolved admin to read through the criteria and take the necessary actions, without having to wade through every IP's contribs. Thanks ^Khukri 10:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'll see what I can get together. And thanks for your efforts! Jasepl (talk) 09:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, did you get any more information on the IP's you listed as sockpuppets, if not could you remove them please? Regards ^Khukri 07:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Yemenia

This may be of interest to you re the EU blacklist and Yemenia. Mjroots (talk) 12:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

NW TLV Flights at JFK Airport

How can NW TLV depart from T3 at JFK Airport? I thought all NW operated flights departs from T4 and JFK's website states that NW uses T4. You were probably thinking that DL TLV departs from T3 and when the NW 747 service begins in June, it probably departs from T3 as well. I think that NW to NRT will probably be a DL-coded flight but it is listed with NW at T4, I may think that DL to NRT departs from T4. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 00:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, you're right, in that Northwest operates from T4. However, in this case, it's not a Northwest flight, but a Delta flight (that happens to be operated using an NWA aircraft). Jasepl (talk) 09:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Southwest Saturday Only

I posted this as a reply in my talk, but I wanted to post it here too in case (I'm still a rookie and still learning!!!)

Jasepl: I think it is important to note that these are not daily frequencies due to Southwest's nature of service. Perhaps the format could be ammended for Southwest? I know that when I am looking at the page for the airports I want to know if Southwest adds a daily or Saturday only flight. I wouldn't make the changes for other airlines, but again Southwest operates completely differently on Saturdays and especially in the March-May schedule will be adding these Saturday only flights for a 5-6 week period. This definently needs to be noted.

I will be happy to help work on a system for this but as I mentioned, Saturday only NEEDS to me noted IMHO. Airport Dude (talk) 05:05, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Question about Airlines and destination box

Dear Jasepl, I've been trying to do some clean-up and updates on articles about Brazilian airports. My question pertains airlines that operate non-regular flights (usually charter flights), which can be seasonal or year-round. For instance Arkefly operates AMS/FOR/AMS apparently year round but it is a charter operation: no tickets with origin in FOR can be sold. Finnair operates HEL/FOR/HEL a few months a year and alike tickets can be sold only as HEL/FOR/HEL. Should those airlines be listed? What about the case of EuroAtlantic? You will see its aircraft in FOR but EuroAtlantic never markets them, only operates the flight. I ask this because a German guy from Berlin eliminated Finnair stating that it was irrelevant but maintained Arkefly, so it made me confused. There are other cases, particularly in SSA, MCZ, NAT and REC. Thanks (Brunoptsem (talk) 00:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)) Is there an entry such as Arkefly [charter], in the same style as [begins XXX], [ends XXX], [seasonal] which, I presume applies to regular operations? Bruno (Brunoptsem (talk) 00:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC))

Airports, Airlines and Destinations

I'll keep that in mind. A few days back, there was an article published in the 'Bangalore Mirror' about the AC flights between PVG and BLR starting from December 2009. I can add it to the BIAL Airport article if you want me to give a proof. Thanks. Sahadevchincholikar (talk) 07:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Indian Airlines Hyderabad-Sharjah flights

Could you please provide a reference to your edit on the 'Hyderabad International Airport' page indicating that Indian Airlines flights between Hyderabad and Sharjah will end on October 31. Thanks. Sahadevchincholikar (talk) 07:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I probably could, if I went and checked the schedules. But I didn't make that edit in the first place; I simply fixed the formatting in that article. Jasepl (talk) 11:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for blaming you for the edit but shouldn't it be checked and then removed if there's no valid reference?. Also, I am not able to get the right schedules on IC website. Thanks. Sahadevchincholikar (talk) 13:56, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Delta at Shannon Airport

IPs continue to remove DL as they do not bother to see the cited link. I have added a hidden note but i hardly that's going to help. Snoozlepet (talk) 21:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

IAH

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_Bush_Intercontinental_Airport&diff=318836092&oldid=318748282

This is notable and relevant to the subject of IAH since the taxi drivers working out of "Cabbieville" all service the Houston Bush Intercontinental Airport. Another thing is that in order for articles to meet Good article standards, typically their sections cannot be too thin. By having the Cabbieville info, the taxi section has enough content to not be too thin of a section. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:17, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Password reminder sent to me!!!!

HAHAHA! Can you believe this, the I.P probably a sock puppet to User:Druid.raul, sent a reminder to my email! LOL!!!! 203.76.185.18 ring any bells?! Zaps93 (talk) 16:52, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Haha! So you got attacked by the password-reset fairy finally? Good job! :o) Jasepl (talk) 16:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes! It came as I suspected ;-) Oh hell no! lol :0) Zaps93 (talk) 17:05, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Arik Air and Biman to JFK

I noticed these airlines were added to the JFK page. However, I don't see those flight in schedules nor they have not announced New York on their website. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 17:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look. I don't recall any formal announcement or schedules/dates being published. At most speculation, but thats all there's been. Jasepl (talk) 18:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Dealing with citation problems

Hi, firstly, I want to say you're doing a great job in monitoring Zia International Airport (as well as others) for vandalism - especially with the recurrent vandalism that goes on in this article. However, not every unsourced edit warrants removal. The {{cn}} template should be used as described in the Dealing with citation problems. Removal/Revert should only be done in cases of vandalism or where the information is harmful to the Encyclopedia. Other than that, keep up the good work. → AA ^(talk) — 11:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Jasepl, re: your edit, I suggest you check the source I added and if necessary other sources yourself before removing information as "random date links" (whatever that means). As I have said in my previous comment, you are welcome to use the {{cn}} to request additional sources but your removal of all things unsourced is not the way to go, let alone removing sourced content. If the list is not in the correct standard, then feel free to correct it but not at the expense of removing valid material. FYI, 4H flight 598 arrived at London Gatwick Airport at 00:14GMT on 22 Nov 09. → AA ^(talk) — 09:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, your edit:

• added flags
• added random date links (which means you did: 10 July 2007)
• added a destination without a source or a valid comment

You connect the dots and determine why it was undone.

It is a long established project rule that additions without valid sources, or changes that introduce content that do not follow project guidelines, will be reverted. The onus is on the person adding content to ensure adherence.

Thanks, Jasepl (talk) 11:44, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

America West Express destinations

The prod was rejected so it is not eligible for another nomination. In addition, it was kept at two AfDs so it can not be deleted by a prod. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

OR Tambo Flight Maps

Have updated your initial maps.Hope you dont' mind. See you have already changed it back again. Sorry if I stepped on ya toes. Thought the new once are more thorough. If you don't like, feel free to change them back again to yours. Wikusdutoit (talk) 16:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn't realise the maps have been changed; however. they don'tg need to take up two-thirds of the screen! Thumbnail size is all we need. Thanks, Jason. Jasepl (talk) 18:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

OR Tambo map

(text below copied from Kranksy's talk page) Please see my input on the JNB talk pages, as well as Wikipedia guidance on image sizes. As explained, there really is no justification for the images to be so large. Regards the PRG airport page, the images were not removed, they were simply moved to ensure a good layout, and the extremely large destination images were reverted to thumb-size. And a spelling error was fixed (which you reverted without noticing). Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 11:28, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Jasepl - the spelling error was accidentally reverted because we were both in the Article at the same time. True, images should not be massive, but I do not think it is reasonable to have maps so small they cannot be read at first glance. I am certain others would share this view. The Manual of Style recommends pics be no larger than 400px - I can be flexible in making maps no larger than this, so I think this is an appropriate yardstick to followKransky (talk) 12:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I noticed you have moved the route map on the Prague article, but have retained the size (thanks for your flexibility). I had thought that by putting the map to the right of the wikitable would cause the wikitable to get narrower. If you are happy with it like it is then fine, but others may not like the excessive white space in the right margin. Alternatively, you might think that by placing the map with pictures to its left and right (and not have it adjacent to text or a wikitable) would make the page look better. Kransky (talk) 12:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

No worries. I thought it just looked too messy with one mid-sized image and one thumb in the middle of the screen. And i've also found that with the images to the right of the table, things re-size appropriately when the window size is adjusted. Either way, we would end up with a white space somwehere, right? Unless there's a way to split the destinations map into three: then we can have thm one below the other. That will increase the column width and also account for some of the white space. What do you think? Thanks, Jason. Jasepl (talk) 12:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Any thoughts on the map I've added to Tehran Imam Khomeini International Airport? The picture is larger than 400px, but added above a wikitable it fills up white space. Kransky (talk) 09:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Destination Sydney

...has been confirmed by the airlines. It will launch in 2010. The actual launch DATE is not yet fixed, but it is not relevant in my opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hajarvel (talk • contribs) 04:41, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

It is indeed extremely relevant. Please refer to the project guidelines at WP:Airports. 2010 is twelve months long and is not a valid entry. When an actual start date is known, then by all means make the addition. Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 05:12, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

DL ATL-FRA

I was wondering if we should denotate this route as "seasonal". Currently, ATL-FRA is flown on an NW A332 until next summer...I denotated it as "seasonal" for now but I don't know if the NW A330 service will resume next winter. I know that the DL route will resume next summer back to a 767 and from June 1, it will upgrade to a 777. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 07:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it's best to leave it as it is until we know. Let's go with the schedules (until the merger is completed). So, until then, if it's on a 332, then it's a NWA flight, if on a 777/767 then a DAL flight. Jasepl (talk) 11:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

IGI Airport

This is an information from official website and it has been referenced.

How else can you post information on Wikipedia. I had an idea that it needs to be referenced and my addition was accurate and well referenced. If we cannot take info from official and credible source how else are we supposed to add info??

I have contributed to many pages taking info from websites and providing reference for the information I add.

All newspaper websites are copyrighted.....this means we cannot paste an info from newspaper and provide reference???

Kindly clarify.........as in that case in my opinion 90% of Wikipedia violates copyrights Mittal.fdk 15:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

First thing, it's not a rule I made, and it's not my logic either - flawed or not.

Secondly, no, one cannot blatantly copy and paste material from anywhere. It can be used as a source, certainly. But a cut-paste job is not allowed anywhere. There is a big difference in using something as a reference / source and creating your own contribution, compared to what you've done.

Refer to WP:COPYVIO please. Jasepl (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I also notice that you've been given several copy-vio warnings in the past. I'm not sure what exactly they were regarding, but the fact that you were warned several times suggests that you should look at the copyright policies more carefully and endeavour to understand their applicability. Jasepl (talk) 17:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

El Paso International Airport

Hi Jasepl, thanks for the clean-up. I just didn't dare to delete the list, I thought some of its information might be merged otherwise into the article. But it's okay the way you did it. I'venoticed that you are one of the main contributors of Enfidha - Zine El Abidine Ben Ali International Airport. Where are the refs for all these new flights (Air Berlin is not bookable, for example). And is it really true that Tunisair opens a second hub there? All their routes out of Enfidha are not mentioned at the arrival airports. This is also discussed here. Best regards Per aspera ad Astra (talk) 20:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Jasepl, why did you eliminate the list of former airlines and former destinations for the El Paso airport? Is Wikipedia only for current information? Or is historical information also allowed on entries? - alanelpaso —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanelpaso (talk • contribs) 06:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

That is correct. We do lot list former airlines or routes on the airport pages. That information belongs on the airline's page or the airline's destination list. Thanks, Jasepl (talk) 06:12, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: LH route changes

Thanks for telling me! I am often confused on the 5th Freedom Rights for certain airlines that operate certain routes. If you get a chance, can u look up these to see if they are bookable. Regards! Snoozlepet (talk) 06:42, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Finnair/Finncomm

Airport destinantions article shows airline that markets the route. And that is Finnair. Finncomm website has no mention of Vilnius. And Finncomm operates flights to Vilnius only temporarily (for some operational reasons I think). In January the route will be again operated by regular Finnair aircraft.

Estonian Air flights to Vilnius are operated by Estonian Air Regional, Austrian Airlines flights are operated by Austrian Arrows, LOT Polish Airline flights are operated by Eurolot, some Lufthansa flighs were operated by Eurowings. But in all these cases destinations list shows airline that markets the route and sells tickets, and not the almost unheard entity that operates flighs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loginas (talk • contribs) 07:33, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit link (or whatever it's called)

I meant the thing you click on to edit a section. All it is is the word edit in brackets like: [edit]

With the page the way you have it, I see 16 edit links in a row above the Airlines/destinations table which is definitely not right. There is a big blank space above the Airlines/destinations table as well. There were also a few edits that were needed that were deleted when you reverted back to an older version of the page.

It wasn't me who put the picture in the middle of the page. Obviously that needs fixed.

--24.131.140.72 (talk) 04:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah, okay. That's easily fixed. Jasepl (talk) 04:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

It looks a whole lot better now, thanks. I still see six edit links (what would you call them?) in a row though above the Airlines/destinations table. Could you fix that?

--24.131.140.72 (talk) 05:23, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

UA's new service to Accra and Lagos

Do you know if UA will have traffic rights between Accra and Lagos when they begin services in May 2010? I know that KWI-BAH is bookable on Expedia but I am not sure about ACC-LOS. I don't think it has been loaded into schedules yet but UA announced it. Bahrain appears to be in schedules for April 18. Regards. Snoozlepet (talk) 05:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

DL JFK-NRT/JFK-TLV

I don't think DL is planning to use the 747 on their JFK-NRT and JFK-TLV routes. All the new routes/aircraft changes took effect already. However, I am still seeing JFK-NRT still using a 777 after May 31 and the JFK-TLV still using a 767 after June 3. Snoozlepet (talk) 06:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. Maybe they haven't fully loaded schedules yet; it's still a few months to go. The additions were made based on DL's own press release, right? So let's see in a few weeks once schedules are finalised and announced by Delta. That's what I would do anyway. Jasepl (talk) 06:27, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe you're right. I think few of the flights in the press release have not been loaded yet...let's wait for a couple weeks. I'll keep checking Delta.com and NWA.com from time to time since flights can be sold on both websites. Most of the flights have been loaded but not all. Snoozlepet (talk) 06:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

South African Airways edit

In your edit note you refer to a discussion on a project page but you don't say which discussion on which project page. Could you provide a direct link please? Roger (talk) 13:30, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

The pages for the projects I referred to are WP:Airlines and WP:Airports. Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 06:58, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Yemenia flights to Europe

Hey Jasepl. Can you fix the table on LHR, FRA, and FCO pages to include Yemenia. I added it since they will resume flights to Europe in December but some of the airlines were cut off including the Yemenia entries. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 06:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

There's an issue with the dest-list template not being able to handle more than a certain number of entries; it's being worked on (see the templlate's talk page). So that's why some of the airlines aren't being seen at the moment. I held off converting CDG for that very reason. However, LHR shouldn't have a problem... I'll take a look though. Jasepl (talk) 06:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Turns out there was no IY entry in the Heathrow table, so I just added it; works fine. FRA and FCO should show up okay in a bit once the template is fixed! Jasepl (talk) 06:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, i forgot to add it. I did add the Europe routes to the SAH pages since they were not added before. Snoozlepet (talk) 07:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I just checked IY's website and none of the flights to Europe are loaded by that date. Can you take a look though? Snoozlepet (talk) 19:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Penang International Airport

Hey Jasepl, you are still misunderstand my word. What I want to mention is instead of writng 'Bus routes 401, 401A and 401E connect the airport to several points in Penang and beyond.', my word is why don't add a bit more basic information like HKIA? Don't you feel the information is too short? I definitely know it is an encyclopedia and not Travel Guide. Just want to add more info at there, that's all. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maninter (talk • contribs) 09:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

If you feel it is too short, then by all means add more material. But listing every stop of every route of every bus is not the way to do it. Nor is adding price/schedule/duration etc. If you like, emulating the HKG article shouldn’t be an issue, because it has a fair amount of content, but it is written in a way that it is not travel guide like. Thanks, Jasepl (talk) 09:25, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not going to add on any material on that and also it's edited by you, just a suggestion for you to add on more info, anyway Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maninter (talk • contribs) 09:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Airline Commencement dates

Sorry about not putting exact dates when aviation services begin. In future, I will include the date when services commence not just the month or/and year. I would like to ask what happens if an airline announces that they will start flying to a destination but they don't specify a specific date? Thanks Eliz2009 (By the way you never explained to me about this before like you said, I just got the first message from you about it today) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliz2009 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

BMI destinations page

Why did you revert route map edit and remove the reference added for suspensions? and why is Thenoflyzone not allowing bold text for clountry names in the article? I thought British Airways format was the wiki approved version for destination lists.118.103.230.193 (talk) 17:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Turns out I did none of the above. Please direct your accusations/queries to whoever it is who did whatever it is you think they did. Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 18:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

DL JFK-DKR-ABV route

Hey Jasepl. Do you know if DL has traffic rights on the DKR-ABV segment? I am not sure if this route is bookable on dleta.com. Regards! Snoozlepet (talk) 04:46, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Nope - they don't have rights on the Dakar-Abuja tag. And that reminds me, I need to get back to you with the Lufthansa & United rights as well! Jasepl (talk) 06:19, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I removed it from the respective articles and added a hidden note. I thought they did anyways. I'll remove the information for UA as well since I'm pretty sure they do not have rights. However, UA's KWI-BAH segment is bookable on Expedia. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 06:39, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

BLQ Airline & Destinations

Hello. Why have you remove my contribution in BLQ (Bologna Airport, Italy) airline and destinations section? My update is strictly based on official timetable w09 which could be read here: http://www.bologna-airport.it/it/voli/orario-voli-stagionale/linea/?btnCercaPartenze=vai&IDFolder=1033&IDPartenza=A&LN=IT&Partenza=1. Bye Wave68 (talk) 10:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe it was unsourced and no explanation was provided. Also, not all AP flights have been moved over to AZ yet; so they should still be listed as Air One flights; that's the reason I just made an additional change. Thanks. Jasepl (talk) 10:36, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure? AP Flights are now fully marketed as Alitalia flights. Airone doesn't exist anymore as independent airline (no web site, for instance). It's a fully subsidiary of Alitalia. AP/AZ codes are used without differences (sometimes - I live in Italy - flights with AP code are operated with Alitalia aircrafts and so on). Bye Wave68 (talk) 10:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, the very fact that the AP code is still used, tells us that the airline continues to exist. It may be owned by AZ, but it is still a separate airline (until the AP code disappears). This is similar to the ongoing intergation between Delta/Northwest and Air India/Indian Airlines etc. AZ's integration process with AP includes:

• Pure AZ flights (eg: FCO-CAI)
• flights operated by AP for AZ (eg: FCO-SKG)
• flights operated by AP, with an AZ codeshare (eg: FCO-MXP)

Also, airport websites aren't always updated to reflect schedule changes made by the airlines. It is best to check with the airline itself. Thanks, Jasepl (talk) 11:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Mumbai Airport - 9W Konnect and Kingfisher Red

Hi - I am unsure exactly why you undid revision to the Mumbai Airport page showing 9W Konnect and IT Red. Your provided explanation was "nonexistant airline" which is not true, as 9W Konnect and IT Red are Low Cost Carrier (LCC) branches of Jet Airways and Kingfisher Airlines, respectively. Using an example from the US, American Eagle is a branch of American Airlines, but does not exist as an independent entity. --Dogpad5 (talk) 20:08, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Amerian Eagle is indeed a separate entity, with a separate operating certificate and its IATA code (MQ) is different from that of its parent (AA). Konnect and Red are NOT separate airlines; they are simply a marketing tool of the same entity, operate under the same certificate and have the same codes - 9W and IT. Konnect and Red are NOT airlines; Eagle is. Jasepl (talk) 03:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Delta JFK flights @ Athens Airport

Users continue to remove NWA to JFK. Clearly the scheds state the flight will be operated by NWA and we do not know in advance the flights will be merged. Could you watch the page for a while? Thanks!--Snoozlepet (talk) 01:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I've been keeping an ene on it! Jasepl (talk) 06:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I made a hidden note for this. Also, took this to Talk:Athens International Airport. Snoozlepet (talk) 07:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

NWA operating certificate merge with DL's on December 31, 2009??

A statement was added to the Delta and Northwest's page stating that NWA's operating certificate will combine with Delta's on December 31, 2009. I tagged that statement with since I found no sources stating that NWA's operating certificate will merge on that date. Can you take a look? Regards! Snoozlepet (talk) 18:14, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Link cleanup

Great job cleaning up the silly links posted to all those Kyrgyz-related pages. That must've taken a while! :) -- Hux (talk) 01:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: dest-list template

Hey Jasepl. The dest-list seem to work fine on my screen. Glad you got the template to work. RegardsSnoozlepet (talk) 05:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the template for CDG is still missing a few airlines. Snoozlepet (talk) 17:49, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Hmm.. I suppose I need to add a few more rows to the template then. Thanks for the heads up - i'll look into it! Jasepl (talk) 17:59, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

AirAsia destinations

AirAsia is service Point-to-Point but not Hub-to-Spoke. This encyclopedia is meant to reflect facts, as there is more than 1 base for AirAsia, how can people get the information about the route been terminated by AirAsia at the main AirAsia destinations? The rules is die, but our brain is clear, should it to apply everything? Thx Maninter (talk) 18:36, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

First thing, Wikipedia is not a travel guide. Second thing, we do NOT list routes (not for AirAsia, nor for Air France, nor for Jet Blue, or any other airline). If you want that to change, please bring up your suggestion at the project talk pages with other editors. Jasepl (talk) 18:12, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

1st thing, does the Terminated Route need it as a travel guide? I been mention the reason why to clearly show out the Terminated Route and of course your are welcome to bring up to the Discussion. Before there is any final decision, everything remain the same! Thank you Maninter (talk) 18:36, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Maninter came to me for help on this matter, I have reverted the last change and have left him a note on his/her talk page. You are right that the consensus is that destination are listed not routes and I have suggested to Maninter to bring it up at project level if they dont agree. I appreciate you are protecting the status quo but please do not edit war and continual revert just seek help if the editors dont respond to your challenge. Thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 18:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Simon Bolivar International Airport

Thanks for the tip. All changes on CCS airlines and destinations were suported by sources, mostly the airlines websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsljesiel (talk 19:22, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

DL/NW @ Athens International Airport (Take 2)

A user continues to remove NWA but I have reverted it back. It should stay listed as "Northwest Airlines" until their operating certificates are merged. User also fails to take this to WP:AIRPORTS/WP:AIRLINES. Snoozlepet (talk) 03:33, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Took the matter to WP:AIRPORTS and WP:AIRLINES; I'll see if I can get a consensus there. Snoozlepet (talk) 04:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Nominating for deletion

Hi, when nominating a page for deletion, please do not blank the page, as you did with Lok Nayak Jayaprakash Narayan International Airport and Patna Airport(International). This makes it difficult for those weighing in on the deletion to determine whether or not the article should be deleted.

Additionally, both aforementioned articles were redirects at the time you nominated them for deletion; therefore, the proper forum for their deletion discussions is WP:RFD. I have copied both discussions to RFD and closed the AFD debates. KuyaBriBri^Talk 22:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Frankfurt Hahn Airport

Done. The airport should be listed as "Hahn". According to the airport article, it states that "the airport is 75 miles from Frankfurt (by road)". Regards! IP needs to discuss this at the appropriate talk pages and get a consensus. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 07:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

He undid my edit (UGH!) I told him once again to discuss this at the project talk page but fails to do so. Snoozlepet (talk) 07:55, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

SQ to Tokyo Haneda @ Singapore Changi Airport

Hey! Someone added HND as a SQ destination (to begin October 31) but the source given does not state the flight actually does commence Oct. 31; however, it says "end of October" so i am assuming someone is adding the last day of October. I am not sure if this flight is loaded into schedules yet. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 16:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Southwest Airlines

Hey! Can you take a look at the Southwest article? A whole section was added stating that CVG will become a WN hub since DL is shrinking the hub. I don't know if we shold remove it or tag it as "unreferenced". Snoozlepet (talk) 06:04, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas, Jasepl! At this time of year, I would like to extend seasons greetings to the Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past year on Wikipedia. I wish you a wonderful holiday season! --Footyfanatic3000 (talk  · contribs)

Proposed deletion of Montenegro Airlines destinations

The article Montenegro Airlines destinations has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

WP:NOTDIRECTORY

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{dated prod}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. I42 (talk) 16:59, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the nomination. I have removed it, since all airlines have dedicated destinations articles; this one is no exception. Jasepl (talk) 17:02, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Montenegro Airlines destinations

I have nominated Montenegro Airlines destinations, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Montenegro Airlines destinations. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. I42 (talk) 17:06, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Just a note to say please remember to leave an edit summary so that the rest of us have a brief idea of the changes made to an article, thanks. Mjroots (talk) 07:20, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Rotorua International Airport

Re the AfD, the easiest way is to delete the cut/paste created article under CSD G6, and move the old title to the new title, thus ensuring the history is kept. Let me know if you are agreeable to this and I'll do the honours. The AfD can then be procedurally closed. Mjroots (talk) 09:09, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I think we should resolve the issue of the actual name first. All evidence says that the airport's name has not changed, so there shouldn't be much to do by way of history. As it is, the new article (with the word "international" in it) was simply a copy-paste job from the old one. No history at all to worry about! Thanks for your suggestion though; I'll keep it in mind in future. Jasepl (talk) 09:15, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

According to Rotorua District Council (& they should know!), the airport is now Rotorua International Airport. Mjroots (talk) 09:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

If that is the case, then I wouldn't have a problem at all! I checked the obvious source (the airport's website) and went with that. In any event, I think the best way forward would be to delete the new page first, and then simply move/rename the old one. Jasepl (talk) 10:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I've deleted the C&P article and moved the established article to the new title. AfD debate closed as a procedural delete. Mjroots (talk) 17:11, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Comment on Hong Kong International Airport

Hi. A little while ago you wrote at Talk:Hong Kong International Airport#Hahn:

We have established project guidelines, and, according to them, Frankfurt-Hahn Airport is to be listed as simply Hahn in the destination tables. The same guideline also states listing of other secondary airports (Clark, not Manila-Clark, Girona, not Barcelona-Girona, Weeze, not Düsseldorf-Weese... and on and on). Any disagreements with this guideline, should be discussed at the appropriate forum ({{WP:Airlines]] or WP:Airports, and not here, as this naming convention affects all airports with flights to HHN, not just HKG. Jasepl (talk) 10:56, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Could you point me more specifically at this guideline please. The only thing I can find is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/page content, where it says:

Differentiate between multiple airports in one city using "-" (eg London-Heathrow), not (London Heathrow).

which seems to contradict, rather than support, what you are saying.

I must confess I much prefer Manila-Clark to Clark. When I first saw this name in the list, I had absolutely no idea where it was. I ended up doing a search on Wikipedia, which pointed me to Clark (disambiguation), and ended up a bit puzzled because I doubted very much whether any of the US cities listed there were big enough to justify a flight to Hong Kong. It was only when I saw this talk page's reference to Manila that I remembered Clark Airforce Base and the penny dropped. And I know a little bit about airports; Clark by itself is just too inpeneterable to the general reader.

I've asked the same question at Talk:Hong Kong International Airport#Hahn, so probably best to reply there. -- Starbois (talk) 12:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

It's somewhere in the relevant discussion page... I'll look for it. Jasepl (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

BIAL naming..

Why do you keep putting the old names back? When the article name is that of the NEW one, then the NEW ones should be there.... --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
P.S : Do consider, archiving your talk page... --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)