User talk:JarrahTree/Archive 25

Westerly (Australian literary magazine)

Such a clean talk page; it's a shame to start the mess going all over again :) Your work on referencing at Westerly (Australian literary magazine) is top rate. It shows the article is no longer a mere promotional / vanity piece, but an article on a subject that has achieved recognition from external sources who've recognised their works. I hope I'm not making you feel obligated to immediately find external sources for any articles I'm tagging. I'm even tagging my own works, in the hope to serve as a reminder to myself that I've still got work to do on the sourcing of information even I've contributed. -- Longhair\^talk 00:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

My email wasn't working until this morning. If you've sent me a recent email, please resend. All is functional again now. -- Longhair\^talk 00:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I glanced over the article at Western Australia Police earlier while scanning WA content for a lack of sources. The article looks like an attempt at external sourcing has been made, ie, Western Australian Year Book 1974 and Lieutenant-Governor Stirling's Proclamation of the Colony, 18 June 1829 (UK) so I left that article alone :) As I said earlier, I'm not looking for mistakes. I'm looking for articles than could be improved, and there's a lof of them out there. Wikipedia suffers from credibility problems, so the more external references articles contain, the more credible Wikipedia content becomes (one hopes). Also, paranoia isn't healthy you know. It's usually a symptom of the guilty... I'm sure we're all guilty of something at times, but nobody really cares if you mean well :) -- Longhair\^talk 01:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The West story

It's here.It seems notable enough for the Nullarbor article - I'll ttry to work it in to the text. Graham87 02:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm back after the batteries in my cordless headphones decided to conk out - and I had to wait until someone got home to help me. Anyway let me just say I think it's very unfortunate that The West is the only state newspaper in WA. The Age, which would be somewhat more acceptable as a reference, carried a slightly more detailed version of the same article on December 13, and I'll use that as a reference. Graham87 03:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: the essay at Freshwater Bay, Western Australia: priceless; at least we now know that Christ Church Grammar School uses the local area to find examples for geography classes. And how about all those abbreviations? It seems like that essay was not fit for consumption outside those familiar with Western Australian private schools. Graham87 03:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know where discussion of the logo would fit in the Nullarbor Plain article. I can't just plonk it in the history section as it's all about the aboriginal history and European exploration. The cultural significance section is all about crossing the Nullarbor - do you know much about the routes of the old transcontinental flights? It could be wedged in there. The transcontinental flights could be mentioned in the transport section. Graham87 04:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Creation of a section like "Significant events" or something would probably be alright. It could also mention Skylab crashing near Balladonia. I'm just looking at articles on Australian disasters at the moment - I'll probably get to it some time today. Graham87 05:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Articles on Eucla, Balladonia etc should have some information and links on some of these things - I cleared them up in October just before running off down south, and whacked an infobox down the bottom to link all the towns of the Nullarbor (the SA ones had not yet been written at last check). Orderinchaos78 18:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

WPI on indonesian localities

No barnstars necessary. Would be great to find some copyright free pictures for the range of candi as per what Indon has started. Have tried for Minang articles but its extremely difficult. (Caniago 03:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC))

Keeping Cool

No I was building a kitchen in the brother inlaws house he's renovating, no power and Ikea instructions. Gnangarra 12:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the messages. I've been keeping cool today going through a backlog of stuff I've been meaning to wiki. cheers Nachoman-au 12:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:Ports and harbours of Australia where does this fit or does it conflict with category:Port cities in Australia Gnangarra 13:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Feral cats

Please some wisdom from the maritime cat king, I placed Carnarvon, Western Australia into Category:Port cities in Australia but thinking maybe there should be the cats Category:Defunct Port cities in Australia and Category:Abandoned Port cities in Australia whats your thoughts oh wise one. Gnangarra 14:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Support this idea but maybe a list? eg. Cossack ghost town. Back w/ solid connection now, ta for encouragement re. Poole. WikiprojectWA! Fred.e 16:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

was thinking as children they coud reside with one of the parents and visit the other only when necessary Gnangarra 09:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Re Temple Poole

Ta for editing out that note. It was irking me while offline as it was cut and pasted from web (let us say accidently!). There is a page for NSW Gov architect so I may include it in new article on can you guess what? Article has already attracted templates and interest. Fred.e 17:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually just noticed you only moved it. Will put it in talk page. Fred.e

Explorer edits

I wish I could take credit for the articles... my tagging was merely as a result of the 'small' project I took on at Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian history/Exploration. I have been adding explorers to a type of 'to do list' from ADBiography Online. If you are familiar with the level of resources available on a particular explorer, and any online links to resources, please drop them on the talk page of the WP, or my page, or at the relevant expedition in the list. For Dale, we might make a notation in the listing that limited resources are available, so that it will discourage an expedition article.

WikiProject Western Australia

Please join in Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Australia! Fred.e 08:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Have I fouled something already? Why the emphasis? Fred.e

Out damn spot! I think I fixed red link. I thought it was because it was new page or something. Fred.e

... probably to be found in "The Tempest". Busy researching wikiprojects - fascinating! Fred.e

P.S. Got an opinion on which browser or addons are good for editing WP. Found help pages confusing for non-tech. Not important. Regards Fred.e

No other states have one - already checked that one when WP:Western Australia was first proposed. Orderinchaos78 12:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Other states? It's a good idea, but let's get WA up and running so we can use it as a model for the others to follow ;) -- Longhair\^talk 12:12, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Re yr ? Whadjuk :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fred.e (talk • contribs) 13:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

List of volcanoes

Hey, thanks. — Indon (reply) — 10:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... I doubt about that. If you look at the References section, many of them are peer-reviewed journals (non-web sources), including Nature. — Indon (reply) — 10:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, if it is the hardest objection, I think I'll skip this nomination, create tens of stubs and renominate again. — Indon (reply) — 09:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Muggy?

You mentioned "muggy"? If it's muggy there for you, it's going to be damn hot here in a day or two, again :( We had a sweltering 42 last week and a close call the week before with lightning hitting a tree nearby to the house, sparking her up. -- Longhair\^talk 12:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikibreak

I'm taking some time off from WP for a while. Hope you have a pleasant festive season and I'll talk to you soon. —Moondyne 14:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject Western Australia

As you are a member of WP:WA, I would like to invite you to add a userbox I created for the project. It looks like this; {{User WikiProject Western Australia}} Cheers!--M W Johnson 00:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bloody hell and damnation

My time online will fall off a bit, but I've no plans to disappear completely. Re: the WA project, the horse has bolted now. Fred, Longhair and I could all get hit by buses this afternoon, and this project would roll on nonetheless. Hesperian 00:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

There's no buses out my way mate... Consider me safe :) I'll be around over Christmas. I'm doing the celebratory thing a little later this year as my son is spending the actual day interstate and we're waiting until his return. I'll be missing mid January though. -- Longhair\^talk 00:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Gawd I could foul the metaphors and cross the dyslexic barrier at the speed of light with horses/buses/ project/christmas _ think I might go and edit some javanese musical terminology before I embarrass myself! SatuSuro 00:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, and you. Hesperian 00:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll be around consistently until end of Feb but have been invited back down to Bunbury sometime in January (will be a good opportunity to snap the suburbs I missed last time). Glad to see everyone's so enthusiastic about the project! And I guess I should also say, thanks for introducing me to all these people a couple of months back and welcoming me to the community :) Orderinchaos78 06:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Javanese music

Firstly, i don't know much about the subject to make a specific comment. But generally speaking, can you make the edits yourself? Also, if there is two usages within Javanese (a general usage and musical jargon usage, i understand?) then it probably needs pointing out, even explaining somehow (ie, as appropriate) that there are two meanings. Doesn't sound like a problem that is too hard to fix. --Merbabu 00:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Mackenzie

Now a redirect. Hesperian 03:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Yep, no worries there. (bowled warnie!) Hesperian 03:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Drudgery etc

Done already. I added {{WP Australia|WA=yes}} to the template last night. Although it doesn't have to stay on this article if we decide to do it some other way, Talk:Corrigin, Western Australia is an example of its use. And cool... I'll see what I can do! Obviously starting with towns, suburbs and LGAs, but I'm awaiting clarification from the other project members as to whether they can strictly speaking be included. I've also got to finish that wheatbelt section one day... Orderinchaos78 09:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Where to put Schools??????

G'day again SatuSuro. I've just tweaked Mosman Park and noticed it had no mention of schools. Past tense, it's got two now, in the (MP, WA) page, same as Peppy Grove. BUUUUT, I see Victoria Park has its schools in the LGA page. Just to start things off, I vote for (**, WA), but if anybody has good reason to go for the LGA page I'll be happy. We do need to standardise this.  Gordon | Talk, 11:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. I was unclear: not talking about the info-boxes, but which page -- either the LGA page (Shire/Town/City of **) or the locality (**, Western Australia) page.  Gordon | Talk, 12:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd say they should always go in the suburb article. If the school sits on a boundary or very close to one and is major (eg Presbyterian Ladies College or the like), the article for the neighbouring suburb probably should make mention of it. I know I've done that with a couple in that area but I forget which. Orderinchaos78 12:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that I do hope it sorts it out! SatuSuro 12:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Suburb it is then.  Gordon | Talk, 12:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Contribs

Nope; but firefox multi-tabbing. You guys seemed to have the places under control, so I thought I'd have a crack at flora. Started with '"Banksia, naturally. Hesperian 12:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Do these count as edits?

Makes sense. Ta for getting behind WP:WA Fred.e

RE; Whadjuk Thought you would find geographically titled article more authoritive! Fred.e 15:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Sunset Coast

Yeah, I agree, not an article. Thanks for the heads-up, but I'm AWBing at the moment, and this doesn't seem particularly urgent. I'll tackle it later if no-one beats me to it. Hesperian 00:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian maritime history

Hi! thought you might be interested to know about this recent project start SatuSuro 01:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks SatuSuro. A worthy and ambitious project. Do I detect a certain WA perspective in the list of tasks etc? Compliments of the season. Callophylla 01:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Bluff Knoll

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't really know that referncing tiny things in small articles mattered... I mean, nothing else in it was referenced. Who's to say it's 1096 metres tall? Anyway, thanks. Battle Ape 05:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I climbed Bluff Knoll in 2002 when I was in, wait for it... Year 9. Haven't ever been back to the Stirling Ranges since then, though I'd love to get up there when there's snow on it. Battle Ape 05:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I was about the same age when I climbed it - and same. Orderinchaos78 09:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Regency lists

Sure. I like the table format, listed with capital cities. Not so sure whether it is best to merge the city and regency articles or keep them separate. (Caniago 06:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC))

Sacred site

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_holy_cities - so List_of_holy_cities is now a deadlink, to which Sacred site redirects. I'm doing a lot of cleanup; while I don't think Sacred Site should point to that list, there's currently nothing else in place for that link so I thought it better to clear it for the moment than to leave it as a redlink. :) --Firien § 12:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah - hopefully now that it's not pretending to be a real article, someone might come along and write something more informative. Quite a few of those redirects should have had articles, but I checked the history of each one but they were all created as straight redirects, so I don't think there's any harm in making space for future articles to be created. --Firien § 12:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm lost

You didnt leave a link ad your edit summary doesnt have and the TNP isnt found on search Gnangarra

Pop Culture sections

What do you think of these? I think they are indulgent, undisciplined lists of - well, trivia. Some bloke is telling me that the Pop Culture list on Orangutan is important because it is how we view orangutans. wtf? I suspect the people creating the list of Pop Culture have more interest in their pet character than they do in the subject of the article. I thought WP was a serious project, not a bank of pages where people could list their pop culture favourites. --Merbabu 13:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Its called Trivia just refer to the editor to WP:TRIV and by the way you both need to consider WP:3RR so I suggest you also point this out and maybe lodge at notice at WP:AN/I if you need someone elses input/help. I'm having an early night an further queries leave a message but I wont be back to answer until tomorrow night. Gnangarra 14:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It's bad enough that there are so many pages of mind-blowing trivial rubbish on Wikipedia, that they then want to add this sort of rubbish to serious articles! --Michael Johnson 00:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Maaf, ya pak, kalau aku bikin masalah. lol - memang lucu tapi. "Jangan Mengancam Saya" - lol. Makishih --Merbabu 13:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Mengemis untuk pengampunan, kegembiraan meredaksikan konflik selain dia menikmati diskusi.

Maafkan penterjemah berbakat dalam permesinan saya Gnangarra 13:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Could some bugger speak da english here I'm getting lost! SatuSuro 13:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Re orang hutan, I thought you opposed that idea. I thought it woudl be fairly stupid creating a new article but it seems some OK sources did come up. So at least it did get it off the main page. I am sure it will be proposed to merge it back. My next target is Sydney Opera House in which the PS has always bugged me. I trimmed it right back yesterday, and will do more soon.

Btw, I am just writing up my non-support rational of Sunday Bloody Sunday (song) at its FAC. What do you think? I think it is a good article, but the very best of wikipedia that is required of FA. Merbabu 02:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Baru Tiga

yup - I'm well aware of the tiga thing. Won't go to empat. Moga mereka tahu juga or else I'm snookered. it's tactical.--Merbabu 13:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Tasmanian National Parks

Hi SatuSuro, Are you worried about the edits to Tasmanian National Parks? Once the articles themselves are fully written with a few more pictures they will be top rate. They are pretty much standard now with the info box on the side and the national park box at the bottom, all we need are a few more words! Let me know what you think. --Knobbly 20:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Sigh

Sorry, I didn't know you were on the job. :-( He's all yours. Hesperian 06:58, 20 December 2006 (UTC) Never apologise. After yesterday (two tasmanians seeming to be running two categories - I was so slow - one was running a new info box - I put it to poor grnang - and I had overreaccted - then watching a bun-fight on orangutan and trying to mediate at a distance) - and then noticing so many new red link edits today - I think the tangled un-put up christmas lights are calling me... :( - or the neglected maritime project - one of the two... anyways - trust youre keeping cool in post cricket hiatus ...SatuSuro 07:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yep; I've retreated to utter esoterica: trying to figure out how to tell the world that Banksia telmatiaea has unusual nectar that changes to an olive-green mucilage within a couple of days of secretion... and nobody knows why. Riveting stuff! Hesperian 07:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you find that stuff interesting, you're as strange as me... and everyone else here. Hesperian 12:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

We're not strange it's everybody else Gnangarra 12:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

ahh there's a wise man speaking SatuSuro 12:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't Threaten Me

If an admin wants to take issue with me, let them. Don't threaten me and tell me to quit editing an article. If you have rational arguments, use them, not threats. And please read Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles, which says things like "Whenever you see a "trivia section", take a look at each fact and consider how you might integrate it into the larger text, whether by inserting it into a section, adding a new section, or creating a more targeted list of closely-related items, such as Cameos or Continuity errors." It does not say, "Delete trivia sections wherever they may be found."--Prosfilaes 08:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

"Best to leave it now before the admins who are now watching this article choose to take issue with you..." is a threat. If you want to ask me to drop it, make it a request and don't bring up the admins. If you think the problems is between Merbabu and I, then perhaps you ought to be posting to his talk page too, instead of threatening me on behalf of your friend.--Prosfilaes 08:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Silly response to a silly titled post? :)

Hope things are going better where you are. The old saying "don't let the ... grind you down" comes to mind. Hard I know, especially when there's so many of them, but you can only do your best :) Orderinchaos78 09:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

When I read "It is your responsibility to foster and maintain a neutral online community in Wikipedia.", I couldn't help thinking of Kraftwerk and their song "We Are The Robots". Orderinchaos78 11:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Crazy stuff :) I'd better get back to my Melbourne template map. It's so close, and then I can start dumping numbers into it and learning how Melbourne votes. Me and my crazy hobbies... Orderinchaos78 11:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

replica/model

when red became blue you may be interested as its a model of the tranby that brought the Hardey family to WA. Gnangarra 12:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Category:People buried at Imogiri

Hi, SatuSuro, I created this category and added the five we have articles on so far. I'll work on adding articles for the others as I get the chance; please go ahead and work on them yourself if you have some good information. Many of them have pages on the Indonesian wikipedia. They all of course deserve good articles. Rigadoun (talk) 20:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

unwikied burrup, tidied Murujuga

And now high importance. Hope this is OK? Got extensive documents if you want to join in. Signed(!), Fred.e 21:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Western Australia

Thank you! That was fast! I lived in Western Australia for two years, so I'd like to see some good articles written and I know quite a bit about the state so I think I can help. Thanks again, and let me know what sort of work needs doing! -- Renesis (talk) 07:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

parentage

from wikiperth project The parents of this WikiProject are WikiProject Cities and Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Australia. While they have agreed to a trial seperation they also recognise the needs of the child and have agreed to under take councilling to resolve thier differences, for the moment Perth will reside with WP:WA and spend alternate weekends with WP:Cities as well as half any holiday periods travelling expense will be shared jointly. Wp:cities is currently entering to a derrangement with the Child Support Agency as to amount and nature of support payments. Major growth decisions are to be the result of joint consensus, all corresspondence should be directed to the parties respective lawyers. Gnangarra 08:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

lol!! I love it!! :) Orderinchaos78 11:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Won't somebody please think of the children?!

Sarah Ewart 00:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

think I had better add 'Homewrecker' to my user page. We must act to reduce delinkwency in the child! Fred 15:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Mount name

I guess whatever the reason is, Gunung Gede can be translated with Mount Gede without any problem. Similar case with Kawah when I saw the name in Volcanism Global Program website as Kawah Kamojang, for example, I'd rather to translate it with Kamojang Crater. However when the name is really attached to the subject, for example in Anak Krakatau, I'd rather not to translate it. It would be a problem if somebody say Mount Gunung Gede, wouldn't it? — Indon (reply) — 09:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I can understand the travel brochure of not translating Gunung with Mount due to its effectiveness for foreign travellers to ask directions to the local people. However, major articles about geology and volcanology always translate Gunung with Mount, or not to use Gunung/Mount at all. — Indon (reply) — 09:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, have a great christmast season for you too and happy new year !! — Indon (reply) — 09:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

No legal threats

Please refrain from making legal threats, or you will be blocked from slaving away in this place. Sarah Ewart 15:05, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Haunted locations article

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand the message you left on my talk page about this article. You said,

"I would object to have to put a citation on a list - its is the provenance of the article itslef to be adequately refrenced."

What exactly do you mean by that? I see you left a similar comment on the talk page of the article itself; you seem to be objecting to the citation needed tags I put on everything that didn't have a source, but I don't understand why you would object to that. I added sources for several of them myself; and am working on finding sources for some of the other ones, but I don't want to source the entire article all by myself without help. The citation needed tags are a cry for others to help me source the article. They are also a reminder for people adding locations; if you saw a thing on the t.v. about how place x was haunted and you add place x to the article, you should say the name of the show where you heard about it. If you read in a travel magazine that place x was haunted and you add it to the article, you should say the name of the travel magazine. Why do you find this objectionable? I'm even more confused seeing as earlier on your talk page User:Longhair was praising you for your work on sourcing Westerly (Australian literary magazine). I don't understand. Could you explain what you ment a little more clearly? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)} 15:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I think I see what you're saying now. You are saying that for instances where there is a different Wikipedia article on place x, the citation that place x is haunted should go in the article on place x, not the list of haunted locations. Place x can be added to the list of haunted locations, and if people want a source for the assertion that it's haunted they should go to the article on place x. Is that what you are saying?

If that is what you meant, I think a lot of people think that way, and indeed, the articles on these places are where I'm finding a lot of the sources I'm adding to the list. However, I think that the source should be cited both in the article on place x and in the list article. Wikipedia:List guideline seems to support that conclusion in section titled "References for list Items". As for Alkimos (ship), I see the citation in the main article, and have copied it to the list.~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)} 16:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad we've got it straightened out. Merry Christmas to you too! ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)} 16:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The Long Boring Story

I'd love to hear it... and I'm willing to wait because if you are in AU it is pretty late. I moved it because I could find no verifiable sources that refer to this as the Murchison region of Western Australia while I did find a source that called it a shire. If this is incorrect, a move back isn't that difficult a thing to do; there just needs to be a source for the name.--Isotope23 16:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Scratch that, I found some sources that call it "Murchison region" and some that call it a Shire. Regardless, a discussion of the best name for the article and appropriate redirects if necessary would be a good thing.--Isotope23 16:15, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

A very happy holiday season to you.

--Dakota

Thank you very much for your greetings and hope you will enjoy Christmas (if you observe them) :)). - Darwinek 11:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and happy new year SatuSuro (or maybe I should wait for the Javanese new year to wish you this :-) (Caniago 13:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC))

Yeah, when Satu Suro will be, SatuSuro? :D — Indon (reply) — 14:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Regrettable usernames

I thought I coud make a point without revealing Hesp. ... until now. My welcomes have been following yours. Got any other ideas for membership drive? How about someone clever with image manipulation make a barnstar from WA police badge (@commons) to WA police project "for outstanding service and protection of WA pages" ... Nu? Regards Fred.e 23:57, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

You may be right. Are you familiar with the origins of the phrase "true blue will never stain". In Brewers Dict. Fred.e 00:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Sauce?

"next to their list of psychiatrists and psychologists... it seems very relevant for wikipedia" LMAO. Love it! :D

Regarding the intransigent, I'm afraid he is entirely irrational, arrogant and uncooperative, and he needs to be taken to task immediately lest he get any further out of our control. Personally, I would abandon your mediation idea. Why bother? I advise you take it straight to Arbitration. He simply should not be allowed to get away with ignoring legal threats and failing to follow orders.

By the way, Satu, have you been hitting sauce again?? You're sounding like the Christmas Cheer has reached Perth a little early this year! :) LOL Sarah Ewart 00:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, dear, dear Satu, I think we have crossed-wires. Re this. When I wrote the above, I was talking about Gnang failing to respond to your legal threats and complete his overhaul of Wikipedia:Can we help you?. I didn't realise you were being serious and talking about someone else, I'm terribly sorry about that. Maybe you should email me more info and I'll give you an actual, serious answer. :) Sarah Ewart 01:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

My appologies for starting some leviaty to reduce the apparant stress that SatuSuro was displaying and causing further complications, I'll go sheepishly sit in the corner now. Gnangarra 01:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice work on O in pop culture article. Looks like a fantastic solution to me. Here's hoping someone else agrees, too. I replied to your email. Cheers mate, Sarah Ewart 13:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

O-a (or should that be O-h?)

I checked it out when you mentioned it a while back. By then it seemed that other users / admins had it well in hand, and I didn't have a new and improved original recipe for peace and quiet to offer, so I kept my mouth shut. My opinion is:

1. There should be a cultural references section;
2. There are too many cultural references to enumerate them all;
3. Randomly plucking out a handful is not the way to go;
4. Considering it is such a prominent example of what the zoo insiders call "charismatic megafauna", I should think there would be published material on its impact on, and representation in, human culture. For example, I wouldn't be surprised to see the animal discussed in Figuring Animals: Essays on Animal Images in Art, Literature, Philosophy, and Popular Culture by Mary Sanders Pollock and Catherine Rainwater; or Representing Animals by Nigel Rothfels.

One of the things that frustrates me about Wikipedia is the persistent failure to settle disputes like this by hitting the books. We prefer to revert, discuss, eventually block or protect. Hesperian 00:32, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Murchison

I'll just go ahead and respond on the talk page so the discussion doesn't have to happen twice. Thanks!--Isotope23 00:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hehe... I really need to crank up my LGA conversion project again. At one stage I was generating one every 3.8 minutes, and there's quite a few to do. Unfortunately, I got distracted by numerous other projects :P Orderinchaos78 13:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) It was easier than Gardenvale, Victoria, my bane of yesterday morning and this morning that saw my phone bill increase by a miniscule amount. :| Orderinchaos78 13:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Twoz a bold move brushing aside caution and applying what would have been consensus anyway, Murchison (Western Australia) is the new home of Murchison region of Western Australia. To ensure my boldness was complete it fixed all the redircts from other articles. Given the number of articles that linked I think would have been a good pointer to the status of the region, though the challenge has had its benefits. Anyway one scrub fire extinguished whats the next? Gnangarra 14:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

WP INA unassessed

No worries. I am not really care about statistics. :-) — Indon (reply) — 13:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Yuhuu!! A nice Christmast gift :D — Indon (reply) — 15:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Kota Gede

You mean put the Javanese in the interwiki too? I'm afraid I can't do that unless there's an article there, and unless I'm mistaken there isn't. I just noticed that there were pages on id: and nl: and linked them. You can write one or ask someone at the Javanese Wikipedia to translate one. I can't write Javanese myself. Rigadoun (talk) 16:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Re:Bot needed

if needed , plase set User:TottyBot i'm operate , because it's seem to be blocked..and need approval --Irwangatot 09:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

(saya kurang bisa menulis dalam bahasa inggris), saya sudah daftarkan TottyBot untuk dijadikan bot yang selama ini di blok , dan selama ini saya gunakan pengguna untuk membuat interwiki yang di hubungkan dari Wikipedia su atau id , dan saya sysop di dua wiki tersebut. Terimakasih. --Irwangatot 10:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Translate

sorry if my write is wrong, i registered TottyBot to run as Bot for add interwikis from su or id wikipedia, but it's Blocked , so i run bot use Irwangatot for this Wikipedia (en) , other wikipedia like su, id, de, jv ... i use name TottyBot, in Su TottyBot and Id TottyBot flag Bot, so if in this wikipedia can set bot flag , please set TottyBot for bot flag. see my requests for approval. thx --Irwangatot 14:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

• (Now it's make sense), ... you need bot from id wikipedia to add interwiki... ok.. i will wait.. see you.. --Irwangatot 14:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

post 2am

An interesting observation is that my watchlist became very quiet after 2am local, I wonder whether this is an indicator that maybe I've stayed up too late again. Gnangarra 17:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW

I just got around to looking at the Orangutan article you mentioned before. I can't believe that people are essentially edit warring over whether or not Every Which Way But Loose et. al. should be mentioned. I left them a reminder that WP:LAME exists for such arguments...--Isotope23 17:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks . . .

for the welcome message you sent. I suppose it was my tweak to the Randolph Stow article that attracted your attention? Merry Christmas. Deor 20:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know whether this is something you might find interesting, but beginning on page 24 [here] is an article about a 1950s collector of fantasy literature in Perth and his troubles with Customs, written by two fellows with Western Australian connections. Deor 00:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Tas project

Actually... I while back, I thought it might be a good idea to "move/rename" the Hobart wikiproject to an all encompassing Tasmania project! A lot of the current project content is state-focused, rather than Hobart-focused, anyway. What do you think? -- Chuq 01:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Other state projects

Let's get these three working and comfortable first so we have a healthy base to draw on for creating the other 4 (I'd include NT as well, and maybe even an offshore territories WP?) I'd hate to end up with several substandard projects because we overextended ourselves too early ... just my thoughts Orderinchaos78 03:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

true :) I've got a headache after editing this Melbourne map. It's taking ages! (I finished the template yesterday morning) Orderinchaos78 04:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Animals in popular culture

Excellent. I hope to see you make the point that the Charismatic megafauna get all the good press! Hesperian 04:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Rats in the ranks

My I suggest Nineteen_Eighty-Four. Not sure if "Since Winston is morbidly afraid of rats, a cage of the hungry vermin is placed over his eyes, so that when the door is opened, they will eat their way through his skull." is suitable for your kids :D (Caniago 04:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC))

Happy Christmas and a wet New Year

Hi Satu, Happy Christmas and here's hoping for a wet 2007!!! This is my first year on wikipedia (although I've been reading for years) in fact it might only be 6 months so far. I will see you around no doubt. New Year's resolution suggestion - get those boxes out of the garage and dust all those references off. After six months, I think I am really trying to follow Indon's example and add good info but vandal and cluelessness patrol remains a distraction. All the best Merbabu 13:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Christmas

Hi SatuSoro, thanks for the Christmas greeting, and please accept mine in return. Thanks for your help through the year. Phaedrus86 22:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Layout of your main page

Hi SatuSoro. I noticed that your main page is a bit broken if displayed in the Firefox browser in that the Picture of the Day overwrites the Wikipedia Signpost and the top of the Tip of the Day. It displays better in IE7 but only looks correctly arranged if the browser is maximised on a high resolution display - less than that and the Picture of the Day is moved to below the Tip of the Day. Firefox is 10 - 20% of users these days I understand, enough to warrant pointing the error out to you.

One way of getting around the problem is to use three tables, with a main table containing the other two, one containing all the items on the left, the other containing all the items on the right (Signpost and Tip of the Day). This works in both Firefox and IE7, and should work ok in all browsers. I am sure there are better solutions using CSS, this is one way of fixing it. It also fixes a minor error in the HTML you borrowed from my page for the Signpost and Tip of the Day - the last </td> should be a </tr>.

I have put a copy up in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Phaedrus86/sandbox2. I'll leave it there for a week or so. I commented out the categories at the end of the page so if you copy the source from this page you will want to remove the <!-- --> comment tags. Phaedrus86 05:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Ghouls.

I found the link at project Aus (I still go there!) and thought I would give some encouragement. Will try and do some real editing now. Not at my current favorite article though West Perth. Did you notice Banksia brownii at front page? Fred 10:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Which edits! Fred

Merry Christmas :)

Hey :) Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours. Orderinchaos78 10:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)