User talk:JackkBrown/Archives/ 2

Re:Other foods

Hi, personally I would only move those that have the article, i.e. the blue links. --LukeWiller (talk) 08:49, 1 February 2024 (UTC).

I don't know, try asking in the article talk. --LukeWiller (talk) 07:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC).

Province of Rimini edits

Hi, thanks for cleaning up my edits at Province of Rimini. I think you could have been more charitable in your edit summaries (1, 2), but I do appreciate the time you've taken to make sure my edits conform to community consensus. Other editors have also told me that I overuse capital letters, so this is something I'm not always aware I'm doing. Thank you.

As and when I revisit other articles I edit, I'll happily lowercase any provinces there (there are likely to be a good few). Seeing as I'm mostly editing Italian-focussed articles, if there are any other conventions you think I should know, I would be grateful if you, as an experienced editor, could point them to me :)) IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 23:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

@IgnatiusofLondon: you're partly right in the sense that I could have been kinder; however, to nip certain errors in the bud it's more functional to use a hard fist. I would like to thank you for your changes, you have enriched the page. JackkBrown (talk) 00:18, 2 February (UTC)

Unless you have the voluminous WP:Manual of style memorized, I see no reason to use a "hard fist" explaining something to someone for the first time; especially if they are still a new-ish user. (This, from someone who can get snippy in edit summaries myself, at least if it occurs multiple times in a short period; so, apologies if you were on the receiving end of any of that.)

Ironically, I came here not for this, but to point out changes to template capitalization at Buccellato di Lucca such as {{reflist}} to {{Reflist}} (here), or {{expand}} to {{Expand}} (here). So may I say, wearing my softest, supplest, chamois gloves that these are unnecessary changes per MOS:VAR, and result in no improvement to the page; template usage is invariant under capitalization of the name. Similarly, replacing a working redirect as in this change of {{Unsourced}} to {{Unreferenced}} doesn't produce any improvement for the reader, and is best avoided per WP:NOTBROKEN. I'm learning more and more of the undesirable changes that VE does under the hood without the user being aware of them, so if you didn't knowingly make these changes, please ignore this message. (Gently removes chamois gloves; splays fingers, and cracks knuckles...) Mathglot (talk) 23:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I know this, but I was told that I can make these changes if they are part of a larger modification, so I'm not making a mistake. Of course, if I only modified this, I would be the first to say that it's not correct. JackkBrown (talk) 23:46, 2 February (UTC)

You are correct that making an edit that includes MOS:VAR violations is not sanctionable if accompanied by other edits. (One of the ones I linked, or maybe it was one of the ones I didn't link? had no other changes.) But non-sanctionable doesn't mean that it improves the article, which is why we are all here, right? Making one or two or a bunch of such changes, not because a guideline recommends them but solely because initial capitals are more to your liking, will likely be ignored for a while; maybe for quite a long while. The problem is, if it becomes a general pattern it may come back to bite you one day. Probably it won't, if this is the only such thing you ever do. But if there are some other things that are noticed by other editors' as non-optimal and one of them finally decides to build a case about you for it, a long pattern of making such edits as these could be seen as additional evidence of a pattern of disruption, or just a general willingness to ignore guidelines, even when they are very minor (like this one) and have little force on their own. If it ever comes to that, the fewer things of this nature that people can point to, the better. Up to you, really, how you want to handle it. I won't bother you further about this (but I'm forgetful, so forgive me if I do, some day). Happy editing, Mathglot (talk) 03:24, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Seconding this, and just to add, @JackkBrown (and I'm sorry that I'm not saying anything that you haven't heard before): I know you've already had two notices on WP:ANI, where editors have highlighted both the great enthusiasm and consistency you bring to Wikipedia and, sometimes, the disruptive nature of streams of minor edits and perceived lack of charity.

It's worthwhile remembering two principles: (1) ultimately we're here to improve readers' experience of Wikipedia as a comprehensive, reliable, well-sourced, factual encyclopaedia; and (2) different editors bring different skills to the table to meet those objectives. Your stylistic edits can bring great value to support editors who prefer to build the encyclopaedia through context expansion, like me, and our edits on Province of Rimini show how fruitful and creative our collaboration can be. All the same, other editors have highlighted already how it can be disruptive when a page history is just a stream of minor, usually inconsequential edits, and I'm not the only editor who would prefer that you made one big edit to an article than lots of very minor edits.

If I can make one suggestion, I think mobile web editing is limiting you, because I know when I edit via mobile web that it's much more difficult to preview our changes and modify articles in the first place. If there's any way you can switch to non-mobile editing, I'd encourage you to give it a go :)) IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 14:59, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Tortellini. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Eric ^talk 04:16, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

@Eric: you're wrong, I corrected the fact that on the tortellini page the text outside the caption was attached (it was necessary to detach the line). JackkBrown (talk) 04:19, 3 February (UTC)

Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. Thanks! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: "To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences.": done now. JackkBrown (talk) 20:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

MOS:REFERENCES

At Pamona language, you changed the references section from "Notes" to "References". Per MOS:REFERENCES:

Heading names: Editors may use any reasonable section and subsection names that they choose. The most frequent choice is "References". Other options, in diminishing order of popularity, are "Notes", "Footnotes" or "Works cited", although these are more often used to distinguish between multiple end-matter sections or subsections.

There's no reason to revert your edit, but just to let you know that there's intentionally no consistency here, so please don't waste your time systematically changing these heading titles. You can read the explanatory footnote at MOS:REFERENCES for further justifications. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 16:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked for one month per consensus at ANI. As I noted there, any future disruption once this block expires will very likely lead to an indefinite block implemented by any administrator. Daniel (talk) 01:20, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Capital after colon

Hi Jack, I noticed in History of the Republic of Korea Navy you changed the first letter after a colon to lowercase. That is correct in British English, but in American English the capital is acceptable. Based on the spelling of "recognized" (as opposed to "recognised") in that article, it is written in American English and, per WP:ENGVAR, it should be left that way. Would you mind changing those back so the article remains consistent? Thanks, and thank you for your efforts to improve the encyclopedia! EducatedRedneck (talk) 20:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@EducatedRedneck: of course! Please point me to the pages where I wrote "recognised", so that I can correct. Thank you. JackkBrown (talk) 21:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I may have been unclear. I meant that seeing the spelling of "recognised" would signal the article is in British English. Because the Korea Navy page had "recognized", you can tell it's American English. In any case, per Firefangledfeathers' post below, it would be good to reverse your change of upper to lower case after a colon on that article. Thank you for being so responsive! EducatedRedneck (talk) 22:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Regardless of the variety of English, the manual of style here would recommend a capital letter for that use. See MOS:COLON: "When what follows the colon is also a complete sentence, start it with a capital letter". Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:09, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

If the words before the colon are a complete sentence, and the words after are also a complete sentence, then take the easy option and replace the colon with a full-stop. Bazza 7 (talk) 21:18, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@Bazza 7: I followed your advice because I found it very useful, not only to solve this problem but also because with the points the sentences are better. Thank you. JackkBrown (talk) 02:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

March 2024

Please do not move a page to a title that is harder to follow, or move it unilaterally against naming conventions or consensus. This includes making page moves while a discussion remains underway. We have some guidelines to help with deciding what title is best for a subject. If you would like to experiment with page titles and moving, please use the test Wikipedia. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Liz: are you referring to this page? Draft:Pagina prove. JackkBrown (talk) 16:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Your signature

Please ensure your signature conforms with the requirements of WP:CUSTOMSIG/P; in particular the first bullet point. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

@Bazza 7: done, now the signature is "JacktheBrown" (instead of "TheJack"). JacktheBrown (talk) 15:09, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Re: Advices

Ok, I will follow your advices. Good day to you too... :-) --LukeWiller (talk) 18:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC).

Just wanted to say hi

So hello. 2600:1005:B185:6F58:180F:6120:B3FC:C669 (talk) 12:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello to you too, what do you need? JacktheBrown (talk) 12:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Updating bot-dated tags

Hi there, with regards to this edit, these tags (use British English, use DMY dates) are dated by bots and are supposed to be dated from when they are placed, see Category:Use British English. They aren't supposed to be updated to the current month. AusLondonder (talk) 14:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

@JackkBrown You did this again this morning at Piada dei morti. Do not update these tags with the current month. Some editorial WikiProjects use the month in tags for sorting and prioritising articles in need of attention (e.g. the WikiProject for unreferenced articles); it frustrates editors in these projects if the tagged months are updated. Could you reply to confirm you've seen these messages from AusLondonder and me? Thanks! IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 19:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I hadn't noticed these comments before, because I was very busy with an important discussion, inside the Talk:Parmesan and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style pages. All right, I will take note of that and avoid doing so in the future; I honestly thought it was right to update the dates. JacktheBrown (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

It's easily done; no worries! I'm pretty sure I used to make the same mistake :)) IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 20:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Can you please stop updating the bot-dated tags as you did again here with the British English and DMY dates tags? AusLondonder (talk) 14:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ravioli

Hi, they are two different concepts: "type of pasta" refers to its characteristics, while "first course" refers to the order of consumption during the meal. --LukeWiller (talk) 18:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC).

In my opinion in both: in "pasta varieties", since it is in fact a variety of stuffed pasta, while in "pasta dishes" you could put for example "ravioli in brodo", etc. --LukeWiller (talk) 20:06, 27 March 2024 (UTC).

Yes, the same for gnocchi and similar cases. --LukeWiller (talk) 20:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC).

Sorry, I don't know how to help you. --LukeWiller (talk) 13:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC).

Yes, the same for casoncelli and similar cases. --LukeWiller (talk) 15:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC).

Re: Images in list of Italian foods and drinks page

Thank you, I'm glad that my work on the article is appreciated... :-) --LukeWiller (talk) 14:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC).

If you want to assign me a barnastar, since a specification does not exist for inserting images, if you think it is right, you could assign me a generic barnstar, perhaps the one linked to this image (try to see the text inserted in the user pages of those who has received), which is the most generic of all. --LukeWiller (talk) 21:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC).

Quality or not? and Good choice of images!

Thanks for the barnstar, it's always a pleasure to receive one... :-) In fact, the choice of images is never easy, and the work to choose it is sometimes complicated. As for the two Wikipedia articles in English that you mentioned, Giuseppe Garibaldi and Giuseppe Mazzini, they are both good articles (the article on Garibaldi, however, would require other sources: 50 notes are a bit few considering that the article is 90 kb long). As regards the article on Garibaldi on Wikipedia in Italian, it is normal that it has 400 notes, given that the article reaches almost 250 kb. --LukeWiller (talk) 18:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC).

No, it's normal: Garibaldi is much better known in Italy (where he is a national hero after whom streets and squares have been named in all Italian municipalities, absolutely all) than abroad. Changing the subject: I ask you a courtesy, if you have to write just one message, don't keep editing it and saving it every time. For this last message on my talk I received seven emails and seven notifications on my smartphone (I have the Wikipedia app)... :-) Save the message only once, when you are sure it is the final version. --LukeWiller (talk) 20:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC).

I agree with whoever told you these things, Wikipedia in Italian and Wikipedia in English have different policies. --LukeWiller (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC).

You can do it easily, I do it all the time, as long as you don't go against the policies of Wikipedia in English, which are different from those of Wikipedia in Italian. --LukeWiller (talk) 21:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC).

No, in my opinion they are sufficient. But this is my opinion. --LukeWiller (talk) 12:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC).

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DanCherek (talk) 20:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@DanCherek: thank you! JacktheBrown (talk) 20:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Missing food and drink

I came across this dish while writing Fogheraccia. If you are interested in attempting to write an article from scratch, there are possibly enough sources to scrape together an article on u cumbitu, a Calabrese dish for Saint Joseph's Day, which I believe would be novel in both the English- and Italian-language Wikipedias. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 21:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@IgnatiusofLondon: I will think about it, but not today. JacktheBrown (talk) 22:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

No pressure! It just crossed my mind that an editor sufficiently interested in this topic area, such as yourself, could bring the necessary sources together. While it's not something I'm particularly interested in, I'd be happy to assist in referencing/copyediting if you do decide to take the idea up :)) IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 22:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@IgnatiusofLondon: when and if I do, I will ask for your help (working in pairs is much more productive) ;) JacktheBrown (talk) 22:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

"Sufficiently interested", very interested; for more than half a year I have been working almost exclusively on Italian cuisine, the results are enormous and I'm very satisfied. JacktheBrown (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: Panini (sandwich)

I don't know which image is better, for me they are the same. --LukeWiller (talk) 13:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC).

it's not real well referenced, but here is a big discussion there you are right

(assuming you are talking about "are the pieds noirs an ethnic group?" If not the suggestion still holds for whatever point you are trying to make. Noticeboard denizens to not like to dig. You need to show. Run a couple of paragraphs through Google translate.

After telling that one guy to shut up I need to be quiet myself. hth Elinruby (talk) 19:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Elinruby: ? JacktheBrown (talk) 20:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Redirects

BTW, isn't necessary to change a link to a redirect to a direct link, as you did with [1]. See WP:NOTBROKEN. --Macrakis (talk) 01:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I corrected the text (it was written "confectioner's sugar" instead of "confectioners' sugar"), and the redirect was changed automatically. JacktheBrown (talk) 02:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Workaround for mobile formatting

I found a workaround for the mobile formatting problem -- which also shows up on my User page. I took the liberty of inserting the fix into your User page to make sure it works, which it does. --Macrakis (talk) 19:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Macrakis: thank you very much. This happened after yesterday's server maintenance, or the day before yesterday. JacktheBrown (talk) 20:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: Images deleted from the page

Will you write it to me? At most, write to the user in question or write your opinions in the article's talk. --LukeWiller (talk) 22:15, 18 April 2024 (UTC).

Why are you removing additional images? In my opinion the Reywas92 version could be fine (but that could be discussed), there is no need to eliminate others. --LukeWiller (talk) 23:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC).

Yes, sorry, I take back what I said, I hadn't read your intervention in the article discussion. --LukeWiller (talk) 23:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC).

Bagna cauda

Hello, think you can you change the page bagna cauda infobox? Since it originated in Italy and the sources makes little sense 80.180.105.109 (talk) 19:02, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Please slow down

I appreciate the collaborative effort (and especially the thanks you have sent), but if you can't refrain from reverting my edits while I am drafting (in spite of the fact that there is a {{GOCEinuse}} tag at the top of the article), then I'm done helping out on this one. It is very frustrating. At least wait until the ink is dry and then discuss the edits with me if you think I've erred. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 08:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: all right, I'll wait for you to finish. JacktheBrown (talk) 11:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy to work together and pass the, er, spoon back and forth and whatnot. You just threw me off by reverting things as I was actively in the process of drafting. I appreciate having my mistakes corrected; I don't like having my work thrown out for no apparent reason. I don't mean to be precious or take ownership of the article, just asking you slow down a bit.

There's an adage in English that I've always quite liked. It goes like this:

Measure once, cut twice; measure twice, cut once.

Pretty certain it originated with woodworkers, but it applies to many things.

If I'm doing a major copy edit and would prefer to have the time to finish before you jump in, I'll use the GOCEinuse tag so it's clear. Ok? Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 12:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: your work is EXCELLENT; I have improved something, but just details. Let's do this: I don't intervene on the article until August; do you agree? JacktheBrown (talk) 13:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

No need for that! Can we simply agree that if the {{GOCEinuse}} tag is active, wait until that particular editing session is finished and the tag is removed before intervening directly on the article? (Obviously, if some stupid mistake or serious error is made while "GOCEinuse" message is displayed, ping on Talk!) -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 15:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: all right, I get it. JacktheBrown (talk) 16:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Perfetto, grazie. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 19:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: when you're done let me know, of course I don't want to rush you (and I don't change your additions). JacktheBrown (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

When the GOCEinuse tag is not displayed, please don't hesitate to edit as normal! Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 19:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, see Possible useful sources on Talk page. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 19:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: considering Cullen made a change, I also made some minor adjustments (I didn't touch your additions). JacktheBrown (talk) 12:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Heads up, you may be changing the spelling in actual quotations! Some of the misspellings are from the original sources (you could add sic to indicate this, if it's important to you). Also, it looks like you are using Italian grammatical conventions in English (e.g., "Fettuccini Alfredo" in quotes is a title of a thing, so it should probably be capitalised). Please verify. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Please review MOS:SIMPLEGLOSS (and WP:REDYES). You are reverting very recent edits that seem to comply with WP:P&G. (Also see Talk.) -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 14:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

There is another idiom about taking one step forward, two steps back that you might want to think about too. Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 14:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: why do you write me so many messages? The fettuccine Alfredo discussion page exists for a reason. JacktheBrown (talk) 14:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Pasta fredda

I'm told that people sometimes confuse "Pasta Fredda" with "Pasta Alfredo". Perhaps there ought to be a redirect? (Also, the "Pasta Fredda" article could use some work.) -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 15:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: thank you for bringing this page to my attention; yes, this article needs many improvements. With all due respect to Americans, Canadians, etc., it's very difficult to confuse these two foods; they're completely different. JacktheBrown (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Spoken when with certain accents "al fredda" and "Alfredo" actually sound similar enough to cause confusion. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: but it's "pasta fredda", not "pasta al fredda" or "pasta al freddo". JacktheBrown (talk) 20:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I have never heard any such confusion. Cullen328 (talk) 20:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328: in fact... I've never read of anyone on the Internet who confused these two food names. JacktheBrown (talk) 20:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

To someone who doesn't speak Italian, they sound quite similar. Easy mistake to make. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 14:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your kind engagement with my student who is working to improve Linguine! Kaylea Champion (talk) 17:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Khascall: you're welcome. If your student will see my corrections to their edits, I hope they don't become sad or demotivated; they did a good job and it's a pleasure for me to see the pages regarding Italian cuisine being expanded. JacktheBrown (talk) 18:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Language templates

I've seen that you have been deleting language templates from some pages, and I wonder if you are aware of their purpose for words and expressions not in English. Please read Template:Lang#Rationale, which might change your opinion about those templates. Best regards, Jotamar (talk) 16:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jotamar: could you give me an example of a mistake I made? JacktheBrown (talk) 21:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say anything about mistakes, I'm just saying that language templates have a rationale behind them, and that deleting them should also have some sort of reason. For example in your edition of 20:02, 11 April 2024 in Embutido. --Jotamar (talk) 21:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Declined speedy deletion for Bomba calabrese

I have declined your speedy deletion request for Bomba calabrese because there is no valid speedy deletion criteria specified. Please read and understand the criteria for speedy deletion. -- Whpq (talk) 14:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)