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2021 Periodic Review of Westminster constituencies

Hey JS.

I created (and for quite a time, curated) the article Sixth Periodic Review of Westminster constituencies and tended it for a while until the written statement about the next one was released. I made 2021 Periodic Review of Westminster constituencies in only a few minutes because I thought it was best to have a basis of an article up, rather than nothing, and rather than something too complicated at this stage. I really just used the format of Sixth... as a rough model really. Thanks for your edits, and hopefully you and I can work on the article "long term". Here's to whatever the Boundary Commissioners are asked to do and what they come up with! Speak later, and thanks again for your edits :) doktorb _words^deeds 21:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Doktorb

Thanks for your response. I am a fairly new and inexperienced contributor to Wikipedia and my interest is in editing and updating articles relating the boundaries of UK parliamentary constituencies - both historic and recent changes. I was a bit worried about making such wholesale changes to your article, but felt it was important to be clear as to the status of this review. One thing I felt should be changed was the title, but I didn't know how to change that. Shouldn't it be the 2023 review, rather than the 2021 review, as the Boundary Commissions are due to report in 2023, 5 years after having submitted their final 2018 Reports? I look forward to working together on the article long-term. Regards JSboundaryman (talk) 16:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey JS, don't worry, you'll soon get used to it around here. With regards to the title, I chose "2021" because a few editors and I had a discussion during the Sixth review about whether the second attempt was technically considered the "Seventh Periodic Review" or not, so in the absence of being absolutely sure, I used a placeholder title which can be moved to either Seventh or Eighth as required. There's no rush yet, obviously. doktorb _words^deeds 06:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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Latest edit: 2023 Review

Hey JS, thanks for the amount of work you've just landed in the 2023 Review article.

I am the bearer of bad news. None of your work is cited or sourced, and as there are a lot of claims, statistics, numbers and the rest in your edit, we're going to have find sources from somewhere. It does look, if I can say so, like you've dumped it inside the article without thinking about whether other editors would mind. Having an interest in number crunching is great, I've got a lot of spreadsheets and number-crunching going on myself, it's just there comes a point when we have to stop adding every last factoid we've created to a Wikipedia article.

That article does not need all the information you've provided. I will keep it up there - for now - until we agree on what can stay and what can go. I just think it's a bit much, a bit too "Wikia" or forum/messageboard, and knocks that specific article way off course.

I'm eager for the boundary process to begin, just like you. But I know when a significant addition to an article looks more like hobby-ism than constructive editing, so let's see what we can do to sort it out.

Cheers doktorb _words^deeds 13:53, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Doktorb. Thanks for your constructive observations. I must admit, I wondered if I was getting a bit carried away with this addition to the article. I am therefore quite happy to remove the 2 tables relating to individual constituencies.

I agree that I haven't given thought as to whether other editors "would mind", but I would have thought that the criteria for adding material would be whether readers would be interested. I think that making a general comparison with the previous review in terms of how the electorate has moved over that time is relevant to the article.

In terms of sources, the underlying data is all sourced from the 4 Commissions' Fifth Review reports and the data published so far for the 2023 Reviews which, as you suspect, I have analysed myself. I can, of course, cite the reviews, but I am wondering if this approach is acceptable or should all such analysis be derived from published sources. Perhaps we should wait until the Commissions publish their Initial Proposals - they may well make some observations on how the electorates have moved over the last 20 years.

I look forward to your further thoughts.

JSboundaryman (talk) 16:09, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hey JS, thanks for your response, and I'm happy to see that we can find a compromise here. I think you're right that the provisional recommendations are likely to have electorate figures for current seats, and those publications can be used as sources. A thought occurs: the ONS published electorate figures in December so we could use that too. I take the point about analysis of figures, that could fall foul of WP:SYNTH. As a starter, could you remove the 2 tables you mention in your reply, and we'll take it from there? Cheers. doktorb _words^deeds 22:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I have now taken out the 2 tables and text which could be construed as original research. It seems that basic calculations are OK. Also added citations and changed the title to avoid confusion with the aborted Sixth Review. JSboundaryman (talk) 16:35, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Informal RFC on Constituencies article.

Hi there, I see you edit Constituencies_of_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom on a regular basis, I added a modest proposal to the talk page and would appreciate your input.

JeffUK (talk) 13:41, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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2023 Final Recommendations

Hey

Just a heads up - the Boundary Commission for England has published its Final Recommendations here:

https://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2023-review/2023-review-volume-three-maps/ doktorb _words^deeds 10:42, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I have added a new section re Final Proposals. Feel free to expand. JSboundaryman (talk) 19:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

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