User talk:IvoShandor/Archive Nov 2007

Tombstone

I'm well aware of 3RR, so I'm not going to be reverting any more times. By the way, you'd do well to talk to User:Rich Farmbrough: I agree that the wording is a problem, and I've asked him to run his bot to change the wording to put metric second. Nyttend 15:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Man Enters the Cosmos

The article was already under review. I am not sure moving the images around helps. I think due to the brevity of the article, they are better on the right where they can be next to the appropriate text. The sundial is visible if you see the full size image. I think it is helpful to have such a picture until a better one can be taken. In short, since the article is under review without comment about the images I think they should be reverted. Also, since the template is not a listing of RHP, but rather relevant info, I think the template is appropriate. I am going to revert. Be careful with edits since it is under review.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Bad Axe

I will take a look at it in the next day or so. Not sure who else to ping on it - I called in a lot of favors on getting Larrys Creek ready for TFA, so I am tapped out at the moment. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 12:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the coordiantes. I have to finish this map {{Lycoming County Pennsylvania Map}} so Dincher and I can submit an article to FLC, then I can work on the Black Hawk Map more. I have a new "fort icon" that I like better - will try to upload it.

Hi Ivo, I started some copyedits on Battle of Bad Axe. I put the "Background" battles into chronological order as I thought it was confusing before. I think absolute dating (on May 23) is clearer than just relative dating (five days before). I am working on the rest of the article, but have some questions I think you should answer before I make more edits.
First off, the timing after the Battle of Wisconsin Heights as currently worded is unclear to me. "Background" ends with the Battle of Wisconsin Heights on June 21. "Prelude" opens with Neapope addressing the militia in the Ho Chunk language on the morning of June 22 (I tweaked this sentence already). The next paragraph opens with "Following the engagement at Wisconsin Heights, the militia decided to wait until the following day to pursue Black Hawk. To their surprise, when morning arrived, their enemy had disappeared.[5][8]" This makes it sound like the morning of the 22nd the British Band was gone, but the last paragraph had them there for Neapope's speech, so was it really on the morning of the 23rd? Further confusion comes from the last sentence of this second paragraph: "The band fled west toward the banks of the Mississippi River, with a week's head start on the militia, over rugged terrain.". I can see a day or two head start, but a week is confusing.
Next during the battle itself on Day 2, the first paragraph ends with "The slaughter that followed would continue for the next eight hours." In the second paragraph this sentence has some sort of error in it: "The battle wore on four 30 minutes, until Atkinson came up with Dodge's center element, closing in the remaining Native warriors." Either the battle "wore on for 30 minutes" (which seems at odds with eight hours above) or it "wore on for four hours and thirty minutes" which seems more consistent with the 8 hour statement and "wore on". This last is probably source dependent, but it seems odd that the exact number of casualties is known for the first day of the battle, but the second day and total casualties are so vague. Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification Ivo - all you say makes sense to me. When you have edited it as you want, let me know and I will finish up. I also wondered if it would be worth mentioning that the Indian Creek massacre was almost certainly not committed by Black Hawk / British Band forces, and perhaps adding a bit at the end on the legacy of Black Hawk (hockey teams and helicopters) instead of just ending with rioters in Detroit. Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I will add the overall article to my list of things to do, may take me a while to read it carefully and think about organization. I also have a cabin icon I like better on the map now, as well as a new teepee icon for native villages. I made the teepee light orange-brown (sort of animal skin color) but am not sure it stands out well enough (it was white at first but that was very hard to see). I do need to adjust the base map color too. My thought on Bad Axe was more that this is the last article in the series on the war, so it seemed odd to have the last sentence be about the Detroit rioters with Black Hawk still in captivity. I was not thinking as much about the overall Black Hawk War article and a long term view makes more sense there, but I would still say about Black Hawk's release and death. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Language

Hello. I saw your barnstar given to Caroig. It is well deserved, he deserves it for his work but I am kind of concerned with your language there. I am the person who nominated the geobox categories to CFD, thus terms like "process hound" and "rule baron" hurt me, especially that I nominated them in good faith. I have no personal issues, nor vendetta here and I'm surprised some people reacted so much nervous. I respect you and your longtime work, as I've told you, when we discussed Christmas trees in the summer :), so I hope the respect and good will is mutual. Cheers. - Darwinek 20:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, I am glad we've been always cool :). As for the Christmas trees, I will try to find out if there are any farms near my location. - Darwinek 21:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I totally understand you. Sometimes some users also piss me off here, it is best then to leave editing for some time. - Darwinek 09:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Assessment

I assume you mean for assessing the Illinois articles? Yeah, I got on a little bit of a kick and was bored, so I thought what the heck. Hopefully everything's pretty accurate. My methodology for the most part was:

• Places over 100,000 = Top Priority
• Places in Chicago 7-County 50,000-100,000 = High Priority
• Places outside Chicago 7-County 25,000-100,000 = High Priority
• Places in Chicago 7-County 5,000-50,000 = Mid Priority
• Places outside Chicago 7-County 5,000-25,000 = Mid Priority
• Places under 5,000 = Low Priority

Granted, there were some exceptions, mainly for the smaller places. I also did some other miscellaneous things along the way (people, points of interest, rivers, sports teams, etc.). I'll try to get to assessing more places when I get around to it.

Otherwise, thanks to you and the other regulars for keeping this project rolling. I'm always glad to help out when I can. Abog 04:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Wisconsin Towns

The Wisconsin Towns system can be quirky and vexing especially with Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan using townships as their local civil divisions while Wisconsin uses just towns for its local civil division. This confuses people. Thank you- RFD 12:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back! You can always contact either RFD or me if you want specific help with this topic. RFD lives on the western side of Wisconsin, and I live on the eastern side. I have been to most parts of the state, and I suspect that RFD has been too. Royalbroil 12:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Did you know?

On 28 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles Joseph Throckmorton, Warrior (1832), and Battle of Bad Axe, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 09:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

That really is impressive - three DYKs on one day! The Land 22:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Warrior (1832) and What is a Boat

A couple quick comments. Thanks for your edits on the article. :) I was unaware of the distinction, which brings me to another point, just so I am sure I understand this correctly, a boat operates on mostly inland waters and a ship operates at sea, is that about right? Also, is the title okay, or does the title need to include its a steamboat, that seemed a bit much for a title to me but would be happy to submit to prevailing convention on this. IvoShandor 10:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

What is funny is that as soon as I saw your comment at WP:SHIPS I went to change the article, got there it still read "ship", clicked edit, and it read "vessel" and just second from an edit conflict we were. :) IvoShandor 10:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

What is a boat:

• Vessels that operate on inland waterways and not at sea are generally boats.
• Torpedo boats are boats. (Even though they operate at sea, and some World War II* * German torpedo boats were destroyer size)
• Submarines are boats. (This might be because they started out as submarine torpedo boats)
• Vessels carried by ships are boats (The only problem with this definition is that there are now some ships so large that they could carry a ship as large as the Titanic on board. There is a saying: "A ship can carry a boat, but a boat cannot carry a ship."

I like the idea of dates with vessels, as often the same name is used many times. --Toddy1 19:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC))

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Heller House, was selected for DYK!

On October 29, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Heller House, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 01:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Four in one

Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool too ;) Gatoclass 09:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Bad Axe

I'm stuck in bed ill and not able to think about atomic physics, so I thought I'd do a little Wikiwork... I'll probably get through your two requests today and then that'll be it for a bit, am really busy with my degree :( but anyway, thanks for the kind words :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cricketgirl (talk • contribs) 11:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow I've been off Wiki a long time - forgot to sign my comment! Battle of Bad Axe is done- I think there is just one comment in the intro, if you want to have a look? Cricketgirl 12:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Attack at Ament's Cabin is done now too - didn't need much. How is the rest of Black Hawk War going? Lunchtime for me now :) Cricketgirl 12:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Clack Stone

On 30 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Clack Stone, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 19:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Helena, Wisconsin

I started an article about Helena, Wisconsin. Maybe, I am crazy doing it especially after reading the discussion page at the Battle of Bad Axe. I hope it helps. I prefer doing articles about unincorporated communities in Wisconsin more then I do biographies on Wikipedia, however. Less hassles and stress I guess although I would do biographies if I feel there is a need. I hope the Helena, Wisconsin article helps in a small way. Thank you-RFD 21:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Sorry to hear things suck at the moment. You make Wikipedia a better place, but if you have other, more rewarding things to devote your time to, I totally respect that. In any case, I hope you're ok. Cricketgirl 10:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Cricketgirl has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter for November 2007

The November 2007 issue of the WikiProject Good Articles newsletter has been published. Comments are welcome on this, as well as suggestions or offers of assistance for the December 2007 issue. Dr. Cash 01:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Nevada

Replied earlier at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nevada#Photo request. I can also try to contact anyone from Henderson I can locate, but I'm not expecting great results. John Carter 23:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Flickr has a free (Creative Commons license) photo of both the outside and some interior shots here. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, seemed too good to be true, but Dincher and I have found a fair number of truly free parks photos on Flickr, so I checked. Glad to see you back - do you still want me to look at the rest of Bad Axe (since Cricket Girl did a nice job on it)? Take it easy, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Do whatever makes you happy and is the least stress - just let me know when you are ready for my last Bad Axe copyedits. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I am watching it now - I have a few vandal magnets like that (of my 1667 or so watched). Johnny Appleseed, a bunch of school districts. Things where I made one or two useful edits and have dozens of reverts. `Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Tomorrow?

Are you still up for hitting Kenwood tomorrow?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 13:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Round barns

Need to chat with you about this barn near me over AIM when you get a chance please.--Kranar drogin 03:58, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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Gottingen Seven

I believe I have addressed all of your concerns. Please see the talk page, and let me know if there is anything more to be done. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 03:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Forrester Afd

• Hi IvoShandor - Gary Forrester here. I have apologized to Kandar, and I am apologizing to you. I did not intend malice when I wrote on the Illinois project site that the article bearing my name was "good." It was simply misguided on my part, without a proper appreciation of the Illinois project. It was stupid on my part. I hope, however, that you would see fit to support the retention of the Wikipedia article that bears my name. Although the information came via my site, the article was well-researched by a number of people who were assisting me, and they felt that the achievements in music & Indian law & literature were "notable." I expect the end-product was that we over-stated things and the article could use a good humbling edit, and for that I thank you. Best regards from New Zealand. --Forrestergaz 02:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Stephen A. Douglas

No worries. Whenever I decline a protection request, I add the article to my watchlist to check the vandalism and protect if necessary. Just to let you know, when an article is declined, you care request an examination by another administrator. No admin will get offended if you want a second opinion, because we are not perfect. I am sure there are thousands of articles with 6 month vandalism that hasn't been fixed because very few people actually watch those articles, but in time we will reach them. Cheers! -- ReyBrujo 01:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I see

a free exchange of ideas becomes trolling? You can't even talk about these things? Hit the DELETE button and all is well? hmmmm. Carptrash 02:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Consider it forgotten. Carptrash 02:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

New Map

I will add it to my list - I really want to finish the Black Hawk War map first. I also am in the midst of a lot of work IRL and here - just had to make this map Image:Original Lycoming County Pennsylvania Map.png for an FLC Dincher and I are in, with a lot of new requests for changes and edits, so it may take a while. I tried looking at Google Earth and found the giant Black Hawk statue, but couldn't really pick out the buildings from the trees (or even be sure where the campus / colony was). Do you have an aerial view? That is often helpful, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Mike Girty

Hi Ivo. Unfortunately, I have not heard of Girty before this. I will, however, be meeting with some academics on Friday, including some professors of American History, and I will be happy to ask them for some direction about where to find additional information. We do hope to see you back soon, though I can appreciate how busy you must be. What you may consider doing is sending us a list of articles that you think we should upload until you have more time. Thanks, Danny 19:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for removing the vandalism on my user page. It's sad to see how childish people can be on this site, but vandals of user pages are the lamest of the lame. Thanks again!  :) Wyatt Riot 11:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Vanish

I wish to exerise my right to vanish. Fuck this place. IvoShandor 18:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Unless you would also like to get a farewell gift in form of an incivility block, I strongly suggest that you avoid personal attacks no matter how high your frustration is. This is unacceptable. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Please piss off and delete my pages as requested. I don't want your stupid incivility lecture, I don't take kindly to be called disruptive after all I have given to this stupid fucking project. IvoShandor 18:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

I've just blocked you for 24 hours for incivility. You've been here long enough to realise that we don't speak to other users in the way that you have done over the past hour. If you truely are wishing to leave the project, then I will delete your talk page the minute the block expires. Ryan Postlethwaite 18:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

To add to that, I'm more than happy to unblock you early if you can promise not to make any further attacks. I really hope that you are willing to do this so you can get back to editing as soon as possible. Ryan Postlethwaite 18:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Whatever douchebag. IvoShandor 20:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Leave my user page deleted, the other stuff can be left for others to work with, that way you guys all know what a good contributor your inane douchebaggery chased off. IvoShandor 20:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

We're not trying to chase you off. Please calm down and then come back - you're a good contributor, but the attacks just can't go on. Ryan Postlethwaite 20:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

You really think I give a shit anymore. I didn't request to be unblocked. Anyway if maybe you're not a douchebag, perhaps you will abide my request to maintain my user space so others can use the work there, such as User:Kranar drogin. Its not like I am the first user to have problems with this Tony character. My MfD was not disruptive as the proposal was already being discussed elsewhere, pages are deleted all the time for being redundant and breaking up discussion. This place has serious problems, go be part of your cabal, err arbcom, I mean Jimmy's minions, enjoy. I won't be back. IvoShandor 20:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

(unindent)Actually, it can all be deleted, just give Kranar a chance to move anything he wants to keep to his user space, then nuke it all. I am exercising my right to vanish, no need for an ANI thread to invite other jackasses who don't like me to comment on me. IvoShandor 20:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

And Ryan, I am sorry I called you a douchebag, and said that shit about a cabal, I didn't mean it, and was angry. You are one of the good ones.IvoShandor 21:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I commented at WP:AN/I, but I'd like to think I'm not a jackass, and I'm quite sure I don't hate you. You're a great contributor, but you're letting your frustrations get the best of you. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 21:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ivo, can I suggest you step away from the computer for a while and then come back? If you still haven't cooled down and changed your mind by then, I'm sure someone would be more than happy to delete your pages. -- John Reaves 22:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• What John said. I've been there, too. When you do come back, try a bit of simple Wikignoming - click Special:Random and just do some spell checking or formatting or something. I found that therapeutic myself. Guy (Help!) 22:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I leave you alone for just a minute

and look at all the trouble you get into. Carptrash 22:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Good heart barnstar

		The Good Heart Barnstar
		I can't help but think that your recent frustration and lapses come from the unfair RfA you went through. Your heart has been in the right place. --David Shankbone 22:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Please, everyone, stop posting here

Please just let me leave. Wikipedia has no place for my kind of "serial incivility". IvoShandor 00:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh come now Ivo. I'm living proof that wikipedia has room for everyone. Carptrash 00:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps too late

I know how this place can kill you, and I'm sure this is won't mean a lot, but please don't dismiss the whole project out of hand. You're a great contributor. Enough said. The Rambling Man 21:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. I'll be very sad to see you go. Cricketgirl 23:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Take some time, but please don't burn all your bridges - if you are someday able to, I'd be very glad to see you back here. Above all, do what is best for you, and take care, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 00:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all of the work you did for WP:Illinois and for taking the time to upload over 2400 images to the commons, many for use on Wikipedia. Your contributions will be sorely missed. I stand by the Barnstar I issued you, but wish I'd given you a couple more along the way. Thanks again and best of luck. --Dual Freq 00:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You folks are talking about him as if he were dead. Don't worry, Ivo is not dead. But, rather like the guy in The Princess Bride, he's just "Mostly dead." Let's avoid a Premature burial, okay? Ther's plenty of time and space for the Lazarus phenomenon to happen. Carptrash 01:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

OhanaUnited's RfA

Thanks for voting at my RfA. Unfortunately, the result stands at 51 support, 21 oppose and 7 neutral which means that I did not succeed. As many expressed their appreciation of my works in featured portals during my RfA, I will fill up the vacuum position of director in featured portal candidates to maintain the standards of featured contents in addition to my active role in Good articles. I'm sorry to see you leave, but I really hope that you had a pleasnt experience in here. Have a great day. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 04:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Yer comment on C-130 losses

Hi, guy! I appreciate your input. The line you question is one of the oldest edits of this file, and, if U check the C-130 mainpage, U will see that it is the original spin-off article lead. I have never modified it, out of respect for those who took the effort to begin this list several years ago. If you have better statistics, please feel free to cite them. Mark Sublette 04:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Mark SubletteMark Sublette 04:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Oi!

There's a hole in your roof... and a redlink flew in. Get a gun! Kill it! --Ling.Nut 14:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Venus

Thanks for your suggestion about my proposed Venus task force. I'll do that when I have time. Shrewpelt 01:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Question

I know you don't know me, and I barely know you. I just caught a glimpse of some arguments around wikipedia. I looked at your list and saw you had a great track record at wikipedia, and lately things have been getting bad (some arguments, and other things). I wanted to let you know, if you ever need a fellow editor to just lend an ear and give advice let me know. You seem frustrated lately in your editing. Indecision about wanting to leave or what not. You went from never using foul language to using it regularly. I tracked down an old RFA, that seems to be when it started. If you ever need a fellow editor/wikipedian to lend an ear, I am that fellow editor/wikipedian. Just let me know if you ever need someone to talk too, or need advice. I may not mark this as watch so if you ever need anything, leave it on my talk page.--businessman332211 06:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

That AFD

Did you see that last comment in the AFD? I don't know if you really wanted to read it, so I'll summarize:

"Hi, I just finished playing tennis at some famous tennis club blah blah blah Have you ever been to New Zealand? It's beautiful blah blah blah my parents are dying in a nursing home in central Illinois blah blah blah New Zealand might be destroyed in an earthquake blah blah blah I really am notable because I have contributors and supporters blah blah blah I'm counting my blessings because I'm here in pretty New Zealand and America is fighting a war in Iraq and innocent civilians are getting killed and the Bush administration is populated with liars."

I'm not sure what any of that diatribe had to with his article. Anyway, my point (besides being rather snarky about the AFD) is that occasionally people come around here with no idea what Wikipedia is really about. And there are people who will come by and try your patience. It doesn't help to get upset about them. Besides, the guy didn't even know the difference between article space and user space.

On second thought, I'd rather be snarky about the AFD. If his parents are dying in Illinois, how come he isn't back there with them? I'd ask, but then I'd get a response that boils down to tl;dr. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 16:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

(Butting in here) At some point in such discussions I just fire-and-forget, my delete was in, Mr. Clueless wasn't going to change, and the article was headed for deletion, so why worry? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't delete

Just leave me user pages be, if anyone reads this. I may indeed come back to normal editing sometime, or I may just try to make actual real money for my writing. Who knows. :) IvoShandor 21:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll copy-edit your professional writing for a portion of the payment or for a flat fee :) Unimaginative Username 09:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Me too! Cricketgirl 10:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, way to horn in on my idea, Cricketgirl! ... and shouldn't that be, "I too"? (kidding! kiss kiss) Unimaginative Username 20:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I really hope you do get back to normal editing Ivo. Would you like your userpage undeleting? Ryan Postlethwaite 21:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I am Ivo's "Voice of Reason". He would like his user page back to normal, that way it is set up for in the future if he returns. There is no sense it should be deleted, it was so purdy.--Kranar drogin 22:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Kranar...see my comments about it on Ryan's page. IvoShandor 22:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment

Hi Ivo I don't know why you left or about your problems on wiki, but let me say I do hope you return one day. The articles of yours that I reviewed a few months ago were a great asset to wikipedia and I think the project needs users who are willing to contribute the quality and quantity that you did. Best, LordHarris 18:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

list of the day

I noticed you voted on the List of the Day proposal. A new one has been made and your comments are welcome. The Placebo Effect 01:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Third party opinion

After happening upon the AfD that you were involved in via some strange route, I must say that whatever happens with regards to morons who wish to do the most inane, frustrating, ignorant things, they must never get the best of you. Some people enjoy using the written word to grind people down with the most ridiculous of nonsense. I know I don't know you, but I don't think we should lose you as an editor here over these circumstances- I hope you reconsider leaving here. Monsieurdl 13:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Shane (film)

The movie closes with Joey shouting "Shane! Shane! Come back!" It works here too, but with, you know, a few different words. Carptrash (talk) 05:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

William S. Hamilton GA passed

I have returned to reviewing GAs to help with a backlog after finishing a section for GA sweeps, and started with a brief article that met all of the criteria. I made a few changes concerning grammar, please revert if you think they're incorrect. The article has been listed under "Military people" at WP:GA. Keep up the good work, I think I've read most of your articles related to the Black Hawk War. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 07:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:Hey buddy

Hey guy, had a great Thanksgiving, hope you have had a good one. I really haven't done much on the Wiki either, my motivator is gone! ;) I have set up that the geoboxes are being put in by a bot though, but other than that, just tinkering here and there. I have not gone forward with the NRHPs yet, I hope to have your help with it. I'll be on AIM anytime you are ready to chat.--Kranar drogin (talk) 13:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, that is certainly a step in the right direction!--Kranar drogin (talk) 07:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving

Always good to hear from you and take your time - while I hope at some point you decide to come back, I also understand if you never do. Kranar and I will work on the Black Hawk map. Take care, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving. Welcome back. Hope very much that your experience on Wikipedia is never ruined again. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 15:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Userpage

I saw your message to Ryan and restored your userpage. Just trying to be helpful but it occurs to me I should have asked if you wanted it all restored or just some revisions. I can redelete it and only restore some if you like. Good to see you back, btw. WjBscribe 07:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

lol - its just been deleted again as it had the speedy template on it. So (a) would you like me to restore it and (b) do you want all of it or just some of it? WjBscribe 07:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey welcome back. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Attack at Ament's Cabin GA review

Hi, just to let you know I am not a regular reviewer or aiming to to be one. I am just following the guidelines as best as I can, which includes the "review a GA candidate as you nominate one", which is how I chose Attack at Ament's Cabin as my second nominated piece (Bega schoolgirl murders was my first). I apologise if my bold second go at a review has offended you. In my defence, I can only state I reviewed to what I believe were the guidelines for a GA. On minor details like red links which I knew were not part of the criteria, I lumped it in the details as a suggestion to improve the article, not as part of the GA-List.

I am curious about the statement "Concerns about comprehensiveness, which is an FA-requirement." Does this mean a GA article is only grammatically correct but can present a confusing picture of events (as per statement on what kind of contact Hodge's weapon had with Girty, and the cause of the natives' retreat)? Contradictions between sources can be brought to notice in the article but Attack at Ament's Cabin has no mention of there being such contradictions. (... I think perhaps it would serve us better if you could detail here why there is no contradiction between the sources, did I misread something?) I do admit I am strict on how I judge (my third review is of Battle of Vimy Ridge) and perhaps overly so, but I also fear if I relax, I could be doing worse. I appreciate your statements, and encourage you to bring it up for WP:GAR. I too would like to know if I was too strict in judgement or in error. Cheers. Jappalang (talk) 09:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

No hard feelings, ever. :-) I understand the conflicts raging in the mind when all possibilities have been researched only to be presented with multiple scenarios of the same instance, which seems impossible to merge into one from all angles. That is the problem with research on the early parts of history when most records are oral, and written records tend to be tainted with bias or mythological inflation, which leads me to respect historians who explore all possibilities.

Seriously, I really enjoyed reading Attack at Ament's Cabin (just compare it the mass of Wiki articles, especially popular literature and entertainment), and I was disappointed no one took it up to address my concerns (by address, I mean, to correct the portions pointed out, or to explain what the statements mean, or to defend the article, etc) within the holding period. It is really unfortunate I chose to review it during your inactivity. Thank you for pointing out the history behind your nick. All I knew about Ghostbuster's baddies were Gozer, Gatekeeper and Keymaster. Now I know more. :-D Jappalang (talk) 13:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		For your work with photos. Rhanyeia♥♫ 13:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

For some good advice. Cheers, Durova^Charge! 22:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

A modest offering

I know that this is not exactly the sort of civil rights books that you are posting, but since prequels are the rage these days, well this event is sort of a prequel to the Civil Rights movement and it is (opinion) useful to keep this sort of thing in mind when looking at the 1950s and 1960s. Anyway, it's the Tulsa race Riot: A Report by the Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921, published by said commission in 2001. I have a copy if you can't find one. I'm a book person too and like to see tham, rather than other www sources used because they can't usually just be googled. Carptrash (talk) 22:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

1. No need to apologize and 2. it is accepted. As you've no doubt discovered, I have issues too. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Your articles

We're getting them all. Danny (talk) 02:11, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. We got them all except Christmas tree cultivation, which seems to be have two dead external links. I will check them again. This is great stuff. Keep it coming. Danny (talk) 02:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This and this. Danny (talk) 02:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Bad Axe thoughts

Hi Ivo,

Nice to see you active again. As for Bad Axe, I see you saw my copyedit comments. I would also add a cool wikilinked map to it (I will work on it). I do think it needs some polishing before FAC, but need to figure out what exactly.

I just finished an FAC I was not planning on being involved in (but that got the article promoted) which has left me a bit worn out. I am fairly busy in real life and here currently, so let me reread the article and think about it a day or so and get back to you, OK?

I also think I have suggested this before, but User:Kevin Myers has written some very good featured articles on Native American conflicts (Pontiac's Rebellion, some American Revolutionary War stuff) and would be someone to ask to look it over too. I have had a few interactions with him and can ask if you want - not sure how active he is right now.

I also still have looking at the main Black Hawk War article on my mental to do list. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

This...

[1]...was hilarious. :) Thanks for the laugh. I'd give you a barnstar for it but they "suck". :P Agne^Cheese/^Wine 16:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)