User talk:Inkian Jason/Archive 8

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:GroupM. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:57, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I've replied. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:25, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:GroupM. Thanks! CNMall41 (talk) 18:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@CNMall41: Thanks! I appreciate your feedback. I wanted to demonstrate that most of the claims in the draft could be verified by more than one reliable source, to clearly show the appropriateness of inclusion. However, I would welcome your preferred source trims and text changes. If you have specific requests or needs from me, please let me know, otherwise I expect the community to make changes if/when the draft is moved into the main space. Thanks again! Inkian Jason (talk) 18:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I respect the fact you are transparent which is why I am happy to offer some advice. I do not have a preference as far as sources. I will saying using three sources to verify a single claim is WP:OVERKILL. At AfC, reviewers need to be able to see the sources per WP:ORGCRIT that demonstrate notability under WP:NCORP. Calling these out helps if you would like to do so as it would likely get reviewed faster. Having 58 references, all to information that is trivial, isn't likely to get a favorable review. I would say trim the fat (including the sources) to what encyclopedia readers would want to read, not what the company would like people to know. Hope that helps. And keep in mind, I am only one opinion.

For example - "Irwin Gotlieb was CEO until 2012, when he became global chairperson until 2018.[3][25][26] Subsequent CEOs included Dominic Proctor and Kelly Clark.[27][28] Christian Juhl was appointed global CEO in 2019.[29][30] Krystal Olivieri was named GroupM's first global chief innovation officer in 2021.[31][32] Marie-Claire Barker is the chief people officer.[33]" - That paragraph is irrelevant in my opinion as readers do not care about the history of teh corporate officers (and it also has 10 references for something so short). We normally only include these people in the infobox unless there is something notable about them or what they did at the company. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@CNMall41 I'll work on trimming sources. I was under the impression that C-suite personnel, or at least the current CEO, should be mentioned in the article body. However, I would be willing to move the citations for C-suite executives to the infobox, if you prefer. Do you prefer I make these changes, or will you be making any adjustments to the draft? Thanks for confirming. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Again, I am only one opinion. I likely wouldn't do a dive into a draft like this with 58 references, many of which are unnecessary and support trivial information. As such, I wouldn't adjust because it would likely be a trim to much of the content.--CNMall41 (talk) 19:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@CNMall41 Ok, thanks. On the draft's Talk page, I've asked for some clarification about "corporate language" if you're able to confirm. I want to be able to address specific issues. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

@CNMall41 I'm sorry you feel I'm not taking advice. I'm trying in earnest to respond to lots of feedback which does not identify specifically problematic sources or text. I've attempted to share some of the better sources, per your request, and I'll continue working to trim citations and respond to editor feedback. Thanks, Inkian Jason (talk) 22:02, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

A little late to this party I have a thought on multiple citations for a single fact.

We need one excellent reference per fact asserted. If you are sure it is beneficial, two, and at an absolute maximum, three. A fact you assert, once verified in a reliable source, is verified. More is gilding the lily.

Policy? Not at all. It is pure pragmatism. I base my thinking in what a reader will value, which, in my opinion, is the ability to read without the prose being made to judder with intrusive citation marks.

If someone has a great swathe of citations fora single fact that is WP:CITEKILLand discouraged. In that case I point out the cite kill and add:

Please choose the very best in each case of multiple referencing for a single point and either drop or repurpose the remainder.

I hope that helps. @CNMall41, without putting words into your mouth I sense you are in broad agreement?

Jason I am content to help good, transparent, paid editors who work collegially. Thank you for working hard to enter that category. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 23:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, @Timtrent:. You are correct about the OVERKILL. Use the best source and only use an additional one if absolutely necessary. Also, I am always willing to help as you are. And, I respect a lot of what Inkian Jason has done with transparency. However, in this case, I felt they have been a little bitey with responses and as such, I abandoned any assistance I was willing to offer with the draft. For the record, Inkian Jason, no harm no foul as I am always willing to help in the future (I just didn't feel like breaking my enjoyment of editing Wikipedia to go round and round despite already giving you advice on the draft page and draft talk page). I also see that it was just approved through AfC as part of the backlog drive. As it is now in the mainspace, I will take a deep dive into it later and either clean it up, move it to draft space, or send it to AfD so we can get a clear consensus. Also pinging @Robert McClenon: who was involved on the draft talk page in case they want to weigh in. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

User:CNMall41 - I don't have any further comments, because I haven't re-reviewed the article and don't plan to re-review the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: GroupM (September 26)

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AfC notification: Draft:GroupM has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:GroupM. Thanks! CNMall41 (talk) 21:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I've responded. Inkian Jason (talk) 22:02, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Philipp Schindler has been accepted

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Greenman (talk) 07:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Inkian Jason (talk) 14:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: GroupM has been accepted

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WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 06:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 Thank you! I've copied over my COI disclosure from Draft talk:GroupM to Talk:GroupM. Also, I see you've found your way to Helmy Eltoukhy, which is related to my work at Draft:Guardant Health and Draft:AmirAli Talasaz. Hoping for feedback on my proposed changes if you have any thoughts, otherwise thanks again for reviewing the GroupM draft. Inkian Jason (talk) 15:36, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Guardant Health has been accepted

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Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces Thank you! I am not sure if you saw my post at Talk:Helmy Eltoukhy, but I have also saved a draft for Guardant Health's other co-founder and co-CEO at Draft:AmirAli Talasaz. I am hoping that entries for Guardant Health and AmirAli Talasaz will allow the Helmy Eltoukhy biography to become more focused on him over time. Since you've reviewed the Guardant Health draft, might you be able to take a look at Draft:AmirAli Talasaz, too, or do you prefer I submit at AfC by adding an appropriate template? Thanks again for your assistance. Inkian Jason (talk) 20:32, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Inkian Jason Please disclose COI on it and submit it to AfC, a reviewer will def get to it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 20:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces I've added my COI to the talk page at Draft talk:AmirAli Talasaz, and on my profile page, but I will add another disclosure to the entry itself before submitting. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 20:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vanderwaalforces Done. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 20:49, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

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Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 00:39, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Inkian Jason (talk) 14:16, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome! Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 16:53, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

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MurielMary (talk) 10:14, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:53, 2 January 2024 (UTC)