Infernal Inferno

Welcome!

I see that you're new here — welcome to Wikipedia! I know that you're interested in Fire Emblem — which is great. We've only just got Fire Emblem to GA, and I'm trying to get improve other FE articles, so I'm happy to have another contributor concerned with FE. Thanks. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 09:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Fire Emblem (Trading card game)

Sorry, but this doesn't require its own article. I advise you not to pour time and effort into it as it will be deleted. It's already covered on Fire Emblem. Thanks. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 09:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I have seen the section in the main FE article. Right now I agree, there is not enough to make a full article. However, if enough information is found; I don't see a reason why it shouldn't have its own article. After all, the Fire Emblem anime which had a mere two episodes has its own article, I don't see any reason other than lack of info that the trading card game shouldn't receive the same treatment. I'll see what I can find on it, right now it isn't a high priority for me as I'm going to spend most of my time improving the articles related to the actual games first. Infernal Inferno 17:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The trading card info is on Fire Emblem#Influences on other media. As for the anime, that shouldn't really have its own article either. It's just that someone thought it was a great idea ages ago. First of all, think of what it would consist of, probably loads of lists, statistics and other minutiae. Anyhting worth mentioning can be mentioned in the Fire Emblem article. All that needs to be mentioned about it is what it involved and when and where it was developed. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 20:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe that there is nothing worth talking about with six expansions worth of cards. I am not going to make an article that is just a list of cards that were printed. The goal is to make it so that someone who was wondering "What that Fire Emblem TCG all about?" could become informed about it. Right now I have no idea how the game is actually played, so I imagine covering the basic principles of the game and how it is played would get a decent section. I don't know right now if there is enough information to support an article, but I'm at least going to look into it. I don't see why you're dismissing the concept out of hand. Infernal Inferno 21:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Look, you're relatively new, so let me advise you on something: you must have an out-of-universe notability. So what if it has six expansions, doesn't make it any more or less notable. Really, what exactly can you write that doesn't involve writing lists; you can't mention notability because it has none. You really need to understand what Wikipedia is because you've got a misconception and I can tell. You think it's about cramming as much information in as possible and listing everything about a given subject. Well, it isn't. You can't alos do a huge section about how it's played — Wikipedia isn't a "how-to" guide. See Wikipedia: What Wikipedia is not. Look, I'm trying to save you the time and effort here. Like I said, anything truly encyclopaedic can be stated in the main article. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 21:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I understand that you're trying to help me out, and I thank you. However, I think you've assumed too much about my intentions. I'm not trying to write articles on everything in the universe. I haven't even decided to do the FE TCG article. I have decided that it may have enough notability to warrant an article, and at least deserves looking into. I have already read Wikipedia: What Wikipedia is not, and I do not intend to produce any article that does not meet the guidelines set forth in that or any other policy article.

All I am doing right now is looking to see if the FE TCG really does or does not deserve an article. There is precedent for spin-off products to become notable — just look at Pokemon TCG or Yugi-Oh TCG. Perhpas the FE TCG is similar, and perhaps it isn't. I'm going to check it out.

At any rate, results of any looking I do aren't going to appear on this site for a good long time, and won't appear at all if I don't find information that supporting the topic being notable and worthy of inclusion. If you can show me that it isn't a notable product then please do so; I'll stop looking if you can convince me of that. And please don't judge an article that hasn't even been written yet, or even determined if it will be written. Infernal Inferno 22:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I see that I'm wasting my time in trying to prevent you from wasting yours. Don't say I didn't try. Ashnard _Talk ^Contribs 07:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Minor edits

Sorry, I set my minor edits to default because I mostly make minor edits, but forgot to turn them off when applying the banner. Why is this a big deal? Plus, those continent pages are gamecruft, and they apply to 2 games at one time, so IMO it's better to delete them all and summmarize them in the main article.--_ZXCVBNM 03:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, while you're considering the prods, let me tell you this: nobody would type in "Magvel" instead of "Fire Emblem" in the search bar unless they already played the game recently...even then, the continent articles are a bit too much plot summary when the main page is deficient, eh?--_ZXCVBNM 04:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Ike image

The reason is because I had also reverted Image:SSBB Ike.jpg to the version that only included Ike at the same time so the caption would not be accurate. Then, User:Trogga put the image back to the one with Link in it, causing all this confusion. Anyway, I just reverted it back to the one with only Ike. At any rate, would you agree that having both Link and Ike in the picture would distract from the point of the picture? It would also prevent that same image from being used in other character articles. Axem Titanium 21:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry if you felt rebuffed or something. Well, if it comes up again, you'll know what happened. :) Axem Titanium 23:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario RPG lists

Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it (List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Wikipedia:Trivia sections and Wikipedia:Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek#Cameos as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.

TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" (User talk:TTN/Archive 5#List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.

Per Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus can change, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's.

1. Go over the list of characters so we can delete non–notable characters
2. Rename the articles by following the steps at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves.
3. Cut down the geography section list of locations by cutting it into the regional maps the adventures use when traveling from one to another. I can get pictures and write the fair use rationals, and someone can cut down the text that has no citation and does not allude to other media.
4. Write the concept and creation and reception sections for the list of characters
5. Write the concept and creation section for the main article

TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Wikipedia:Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it.

Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 01:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Why did you think I'd be interested in this? I don't think I've ever even looked at the SMRPG page on Wikipedia. I really don't have time to get involved in this, and I don't appreciate being solicited in this way. Infernal Inferno 02:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I saw you are part of the WikiProject Video games and WikiProject Nintendo, so that is why I thought you'd be interested. Thank you for your reply. Taric25 05:15, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Nintendo Page Redesign

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