Harold the Sheep

Discussion on Revert mades to Steven Hassan Wikipedia page

hello sir, First of all thank you for the hard work that you do and the support that you are offering. I also need small help. I updated certain information on steven Hassan's wikipedia page. I see that all the information are reverted. Even his updated Photo which was uploaded is gone. Can you please let me know what i can do add the information that was reverted. Most of the information was his personal information and his details on his thesis and professional memberships. Kindly let me know , if we can quick call and discuss this to be aligned. Thank you once again. Sh fom (talk) 08:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. Harold the Sheep (talk) 22:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

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Jacques Lacan

I'll put it down to excitement this time. But you are hereby warned to restrain yourself and stop the personal attacks. In this edit you claim I'm pushing my personal point of view on the article's text. I find that accusation completely unwarranted and insulting. My sole interest as in every other contribution of mine here is encyclopaedic. Do not presume that because I expanded the Criticism section I'm personally critical of the subject. I suggest you assume good faith on my part as I do on yours and move on. -The Gnome (talk) 00:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

• P.S. The words of Lacan's widow that her former husband was "hard working" and "very intelligent," aside from being a "tyrant," are irrelevant to the specific issue of that section, i.e. feminist ire & Lacan's alleged brusque character. Yet, you want them up, for reasons I cannot fathom. I'm considering whether this merits a discussion in the Talk page. We'll see. -The Gnome (talk) 00:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Your edit summary said:

The ostensible attributes of being "intelligent or a "hard worker" are entirely irrelevant to being called a "tyrant"; only her testimony that she has "no reproaches" and he "was worth the trouble" are --the latter with a huge dose of salt, seeing as domestic abuse is very often dismissed by the victim

These are your assertions, and one could certainly have a different interpretation of her words than yours. Sylvia Lacan does not express an opinion on the "ostensible attributes" of her words. She was expressing herself spontaneously, in response to a specific question about her husband. Taking those two words out of their actual context and inserting them into a "feminist ire" section (even implying, in your original edit, that it is connected to Lacan's "sadistic narcissism") appropriates their meaning and intent in a way that is POV-based. This interpretation is not present in the context of the interview, which is the cited source, which means it has been introduced by editors. That's original research. Putting the words back in their context at least allows the 'criticism', if that's what it is, to be whatever she intended it to be, and allows readers to draw their own conclusions. Harold the Sheep (talk) 22:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

You are attributing original research to non existent text. I'm supposed to have engaged in OR by not including what you perceive as "context" and I claim is irrelevant. Her interview contains a large section on Lacan, her second husband. There are numerous references to his person. One could contend that we should include all of them, e.g. the one about Lacan coming to the film set where his actress wife was working and interrupting brusquely the production: Perhaps another facet of his "tyrannical character," or even a piece of information throwing more light to kind of relationship he had with Stephanie. Why not include those as well? I chose to be thrifty.

Why relate in the article his widow's memories at all? Because they are relevant for his work, whence the inclusion under the "Feminist criticism" section, but for his character in general. Lacan was not dispensing equally his verifiably casual cruelty; women were in the receiving end of most of it. (The testimony about patients being literally kicked out by Lacan concerns strictly female ones.)

Onto abuse itself: We have no information about any significant abuse meted out conjugally by Lacan. Working on the basis of the single yet important appellation used by his widow, a "domestic tyrant," throws the subsequent niceties about Lacan out the window: A significant portion of abused women, especially in a marriage, proffer excuses for their abusive husband's behavior, they praise some other qualities he supposedly has, e.g. "he loves our kids," "he provides for us," "he's a brilliant scientist," etc, or they even forgive him! (E.g. "he was worth the trouble," "no reproaches.") These are all irrelevancies, information about matters irrelevant to the fact of domestic tyranny. -The Gnome (talk) 06:46, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I don’t think your inability to comprehend my fairly simple point is a consequence of stupidity, so I'm going to tentatively suggest that it is your anti-Lacan POV—which is palpable in the above rant—that is the cause of it. I'll put it down to excitement this time, but I must ask that you restrain yourself and not come back to my talk page. You are “hereby warned”! Harold the Sheep (talk) 09:21, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I see. Well, irony is alright; personal attacks are not. Neither are explicit yet baseless accusations of bias. No more need be said at this point. -The Gnome (talk) 10:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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Sai Baba of Shirdi

Over all it is an improvement to lead. Dont abuse me and my edits. If you have issue mention in talk page, I have improved it by adding secondary sources and views. Stop reverting again and again, I am not going to leave it without citing secondary sources in the lead. All the info you are citing in the lead is already available in my edit also, no info was omitted, instead extra key info is added. Stop this issue here, I am not going to yield on this.Fostera12 (talk) 01:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I reverted twice. To call that abusing you is ridiculous. You made a number of substantial changes to the lead that I have doubts about. We can discuss your edits on the talk page, but for the moment, per WP:BRD, leave the old version there. Harold the Sheep (talk) 10:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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