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19:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXIV, June 2017

 
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15:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Enterox

  Dear GermanJoe; I'm Arunav.Net. I really appreciate your effort in correcting the section of articles which you find promotional, however I still feel there is a bias towards certain companies that still has direct or indirect promotional contents, further I find it hard to agree with the "non-notable" point about Enterox as the company has been a part of more than a dozen technology research articles by many reputed research firms and although such articles have been re-published by media agencies including Business Wire[1]; Enterox has never made any form of payments to the research firms or the media agencies as of 15th June 2017. The mention in these articles and news are purely based on the merit of the technology introduced by the company that is enabling "Enterprise Systems with Internet of Things" and "Artificial Intelligence for Customer Relationship Management". Disclaimer: although I would qualify as a "Subject Matter Expert" :) with more that a decade of experience in Enterprise Software and patent in Internet of Things I do agree there is a possibility of conflict of interest as I am a director at Enterox and hence I would refrain from updating wiki articles as it will be hard for me to keep a neutral view-point particular when there are promotional contents from other companies that continue to find place in wiki articles. User:Arunav.Net (talk) 18:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "IoT Enabled Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP): $49.9 Billion Market Opportunity for IoT ERP Software & Services by 2022 - Research and Markets". Business Wire. January 6, 2017. Retrieved June 15, 2017.
Hello @Arunav.Net:, you're welcome. Editors with a possible conflict of interest can still contribute to all unrelated articles of course, and expert input is always welcome. You can also suggest edits regarding Enterox on article talkpages (Template:edit request is useful for these cases), as long as you clearly mention your connection to the topic in such cases. On a sidenote, I agree with your comment about "other companies". Wikipedia is a volunteer project with limited editor ressources - unfortunately some of this problematic content stays unnoticed for years. Thank you for your consideration about Wikipedia's WP:COI guideline. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 19:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
@Arunav.net: - mistyped the first one. GermanJoe (talk) 19:11, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

15:44, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

McKinsey & Company

Hi GermanJoe. I am affiliated with McKinsey & Company. Regarding your edit here, can I suggest you also trim the sentence "its clientele includes 80% of the world's largest corporations.[citation needed]." I do not see this content cited anywhere in the body of the article and in any case the prior sentence seems adequate for the lead. There is no need for us to belabor the point of how prestigious they are in the lead. I also did a quick Google search and did not find any sources for this. CorporateM (Talk) 12:58, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello @CorporateM:, I agree and done. Unfortunately a lot of consultancy-related articles talk a lot about prestige, success and accomplishments from the company's PoV - we should try our best to focus more on an uninvolved encyclopedic overview in this area. Thank you for being so transparent about your COI, it really helps to improve such articles in a cooperative manner. GermanJoe (talk) 13:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

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15:32, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXV, July 2017

 
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVI, August 2017

 
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21:45, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

invisible language link

You deleted a link of mine to a page on the German WP. I'm not complaining, but I'm puzzled. I tried to link to the original article that was rather badly translated into English by a ...

Oh. Never mind. I just looked at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Germany#Treaty_of_Siegburg. I forgot the leading colon. Thanks. --Thnidu (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

@Thnidu: OK - I couldn't find the problem with the wrong language link at first (I blamed WikiData but was totally on the wrong track). But it's fixed now - no worries :). On a sidenote: if you want to link to foreign-language Wiki articles, it's usually better and more clear to use Template:ill (imho). GermanJoe (talk) 05:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

23:29, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

COI und neu bei Wikipedia.org

Hallo, Danke für die Willkommensbotschaft (und wie ich dem Profil ansah, geht auch Deutsch als Kommunikationsweg, was vielleicht einfacher und klarer ist). Ich habe die COI-Seiten gelesen und bin trotzdem noch etwas ratlos (in der deutschen Wikipedia habe ich ja endlich gelernt, was ich darf und was nicht). Ich arbeite für die DFG, die ein öffentlich finanzierter Verein ist - und ich hätte (auch als Privatperson) gerne aktuelle und sachdienliche Informationen zu diesem Verein (und anderem) in Wikipedia (de und en). Wir haben uns intensiver mit der deutschen Wikipedia auseinandergesetzt - und sind mit der Wiki-Mission und -Idee vertraut und unterstützen sie. Die englische ist jedoch Neuland für mich. Darf ich als Mitarbeiter der DFG zu dem Beitrag über selbige beitragen (natürlich selbstverständlich keine Werbung!)? Muss ich und wenn ja wie kenntlich machen, dass ich bei dem Laden arbeite (das darf ja gerne transparent sein!)? Denn ich würde gern im Rahmen der Möglichkeiten auch zu Richtigkeit und Aktualität der Angaben der englischen Seiten beitragen. Und ich hoffe, dieser Beitrag kommt da an, wo' s richtig ist. Viele Grüße Cornelia Lossau (talk) 11:53, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Hallo @Cornelia Lossau: ich beantworte die Frage jetzt auch einfach mal auf Deutsch - obwohl generell Nachrichten in der Englischen Wiki immer in Englisch sein sollten (nur als Hinweis für weitere Edits). Die offizielle Sprachregelung ist: das direkte Editieren von Artikeln mit einem solchen Interessenkonflikt ist "strongly discouraged" - leider hat es in der Englischen Wiki in den letzten Jahren massive Probleme mit Eigenwerbung von Firmen und Organisationen gegeben, daher wird das Thema hier ziemlich kritisch gesehen. Es ist deshalb generell besser, Vorschläge auf der Diskussionsseite für den Artikel zu posten: auf Talk:Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft einfach oben auf den Link "request corrections" klicken, und den sogenannten "edit request" ausfüllen. 2 weitere Tipps: solche Änderungsvorschläge sollten so klar wie möglich formuliert werden, und immer mit einer zuverlässigen Quellenangabe verbunden. Die Bearbeitung solcher Vorschläge kann einige Wochen dauern. Was den Punkt "disclosure" angeht, sind alle benötigten Templates in WP:DISCLOSE (unbezahlter COI) und WP:COIPAYDISCLOSE (bezahlter COI) aufgeführt. Diese Bausteine können auf die entsprechenden Benutzer- und Diskussionsseiten kopiert werden (die variablen Parameter müssen natürlich ergänzt werden). Das ganze Thema "COI" ist nicht wirklich einfach, aber hoffentlich konnte ich etwas weiterhelfen. GermanJoe (talk) 12:24, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

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22:10, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Why the revert

Why the revert on List of PDF software. Except Adobe Acrobat I don't see how the other software are more notable on MacOS. If it's only for the external link do a edit instead of reverting... revert is the cancer of Wikipedia Gagarine (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Gagarine:, such large lists are often limited to "Wiki-notable" entries, which already have a stand-alone Wikipedia article based on independent reliable sources (see WP:STANDALONE). The list's lead sentence mentions "This is a list of links to [Wikipedia] articles on software ...". On a sidenote, please check WP:AGF instead of labelling other editors' good-faith edits as "cancer". If you like to discuss this further, I suggest to start a thread at the article's talkpage or at a talkpage about list guidelines. GermanJoe (talk) 18:54, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
I see, thanks for the input. Revert it's not a problem about list but about any page. It's become harder and harder to contribute because of the amount of rules and processes. Those process do have reasons, but yet it raise the entry level. I guess the software should be modernised to integrate those processes so you don't have to learn them. For the 'cancer', I think revert discourage non-hard-core Wikipedia editor and so slowly reducing the editor community. Gagarine (talk) 22:15, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

22:15, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXVII, September 2017

 
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19:16, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Management Consultancies

Hi GermanJoe. We worked together briefly on the McKinsey & Company page a while back and I seem to remember you implying you have an interest in management consultancy as a subject more generally. I'm also working for one of their competitors, Bain & Company and thought you might have an interest in chipping in here. Since I have a COI, I am following WP:COI by sharing a draft on the Talk page that I think would bring the page up to GA standards.

Much thanks in advance if you choose to chip in.

PS - I don't know if you noticed this on the McKinsey page back in July, but I didn't think "Corruption" was a neutral section title (I am not allowed to fix it myself)

CorporateM (Talk) 22:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello @CorporateM:, I probably won't have time (and to perfectly honest the motivation) to analyze a full-length draft. I already spend a bit too much time on Wikipedia as it is ;). However, if you see some urgent issues that can be easily implemented based on reliable sources (smaller "change X to Y" stuff), I'd be glad to help. Just leave a specific edit request on the article talkpage - I have it watchlisted and hopefully won't miss it. Regarding the mentioned McKinsey change about "corruption": I agree that this section is not phrased ideally, but it would be better if it would be improved by someone with more experience with such controversial business-related content (it also wouldn't hurt to get a second reliable source with more context). GermanJoe (talk) 22:58, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
That's fair - I'll see if I can find another editor willing to take a look at "Corruption" as a section title[76] and/or my draft Bain & Co article. To be honest, an experienced business editor is sort of a unicorn around here, but I think @North8000: does a lot of work on company articles?
The only thing that jumps out at me as really awful about the current Bain & Co page is that it has a dedicated section about a $10 million lawsuit. The section exclusively cites press releases and the law firm website. I didn't find any quality secondary sources to indicate this lawsuit for less than 1% of the company's annual revenues was a significant milestone in their history. CorporateM (Talk) 19:53, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
I'd be happy to take a peak. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:00, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
The amount of coverage in B&C is certainly undue weight. I trimmed a bit of obvious fat, but more work is needed (and better sourcing). GermanJoe (talk) 12:56, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

15:32, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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Draft:Vedamo

Moved this to a separate section to avoid confusion. New threads are usually posted at bottom of talkpages. GermanJoe (talk) 12:02, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your messages and clarifying things for me. I do not think I have COI. I personally have used Vedamo few times but I have no relations with people from the company that has created it or the company itself. It is a social responsible project that help a lot of kids disabled from regular education to receive such. I consider I could create an article about Vedamo in Wikipedia, because it is beneficial for people to read about the project and gain knowledge on different educational tools and how they are implemented in different settings. I added Vedamo as a system in the article "Virtual campus", because it really is a Learning Management System as the rest (Moodle, WizIQ, Sakai, Serco, Blackboard, Sharepoint, WebCT, Angel, Alphastudy, Desire2Learn, EdMastery, Elluminate and eCollege) listed, for some of which (Alphastudy, Desire2Learn and EdMastery) there is still no article, which made me think it is OK to add Vedamo and link it to the article after it passes the review. Apart from adding Vedamo, I made few other changes in the article "Virtual campus" which were also reverted and I wonder why. For example, (1) itslearning has a page and I linked it; (2) In the sentence "Classes are usually self paced using online documents and databases..." I linked "self paced" to article "Asynchronous learning" - "asynchronous learning" is the academic term for "self paced learning" and the article explains the method better and adds more information for people reading it. Kind regards, Mstoilkova (talk) 11:20, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Mstoilkova:, thank you for the clarification that you don't have a possible "conflict of interest" regarding this topic. Regarding the additions of Vedamo: once the draft gets approved, such mentions and links can be added of course - although indiscriminate lists of examples should be avoided, and mentions in articles should be based on independent reliable sources to provide some context. Until the draft is approved, please do not add such entries. Of course other sourced improvements to Wikipedia articles are always appreciated in the meantime. You can also continue to improve your draft, while it is not picked up for review yet. If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask me, or you can post for advice at the WP:Teahouse for new editors. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 12:02, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

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23:25, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXVIII, October 2017

 
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EFH request

Hello GermanJoe, your request for EFH access (Wikipedia:Edit_filter_noticeboard#Request_for_EFH_bit_for_GermanJoe) did not gain sufficient support and was closed without granting. However, the filter you mentioned was unhidden. Your input at WP:EFN regarding filters in general is always welcome. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 01:13, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: thank you for the courteous message. I do not believe that an absolute limitation of EFH access to 2-3 narrow use cases was established as consensus during the edit filter helper RfC. And more importantly, such an arbitrary distinction between valid and invalid usages is not beneficial for the project. Nonetheless, I'll just accept the result and move on. GermanJoe (talk) 10:00, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
With it being a new flag (that took multiple RfC to even create) it may have room for growth, expanding the criteria can be revisited in the future of course. — xaosflux Talk 11:34, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

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