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Tree of Life Newsletter

July 2019—Issue 004

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

List of felids by PresN Masked booby by Casliber Letter-winged kite by Casliber, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Plains zebra by LittleJerry, reviewed by starsandwhales Ornithogalum umbellatum by Michael Goodyear, reviewed by Jens Lallensack

Newly nominated content

Letter-winged kite by Casliber Megabat by Enwebb Onychopterella by Super Dromaeosaurus Dvulikiaspis by Super Dromaeosaurus Kosmoceratops by FunkMonk Clussexx Three D Grinchy Glee by Hunter Kahn Giant golden-crowned flying fox by Enwebb Myxomatosis by Rabbit Vet

Two Tree of Life editors in WikiCup round of 16

The WikiCup, an annual editing competition, is now in its fourth round. Casliber, consistent participant since 2010 and winner in 2016, is currently dominating Group A with 601 points. Largely responsible is the successful Featured Article nomination of Masked booby. The other remaining Tree of Life participant, Enwebb, is participating in her first ever WikiCup. In this round, she has a grand total of...5 points. But with the recent Featured Article nomination of Megabat, she stands to gain 600 points if successful. As it stands, though, it appears that at least one ToL editor is headed to the fifth and final round of 8 contestants, which begins September 1.

Thus far, all participants in the WikiCup have generated 17 Featured Articles, 116 Good Articles, 16 Featured Lists, and 57 Featured Pictures. The Good Article Nominations backlog has been reduced as well, with 286 Good Article Reviews.

Editor spotlight: Photographing the tree of life

For this month's editor spotlight we're joined by Charlesjsharp, a longtime contributor to Wikimedia Commons with a plethora of featured pictures on English Wikipedia.

1) Starsandwhales: How long have you been editing Wikipedia, and how did you get interested? How did you begin your journey of photographing wildlife?

• Charlesjsharp: I uploaded my first pictures to Wikipedia twelve years ago for fun, to show my kids how it works. The pictures of my daughter (static trapeze), my son (Revell), my dog (Border Terrier) and my parents’ home (Tealing) are all still in the articles! I then started to upload wildlife images.

I’d got my first camera aged eight and went on my first safari in the Kruger Park, South Africa in 1970. I was hooked. I switched to digital in 2004, but didn’t buy any high-end lenses till 2014. Such a shame that hundreds of great photos I took before then look so dreadful by today’s quality standards. My 100-400mm lens transformed mammal and bird photography opportunities and when I got my 100mm macro lens in 2016, the whole new world of insects was open for business.

Pied kingfisher eating a chick, photographed by Charlesjsharp

2) S&W: Over the years, you've taken photos of many different organisms from birds to insects to big cats; you have an extensive list of favorite images. Which animals have been the most exciting for you to photograph?

• Charlesjsharp: The trophy animals the hunters used to shoot are the ones I like to shoot too: it was lion, elephant and baboon in 1970. More recently, hunting for tiger by jeep in Kanha National Park in India was exciting and so was searching for jaguar by boat in the rivers of the Pantanal in Brazil. Our encounters with the mountain gorillas in Rwanda and Uganda was amazing, but the actual photography was no challenge.

But photographing animal behaviour is the most exciting and challenging. There’s usually movement and it all happens so fast, like when a bird captures its prey. Every now and then you snap something really unusual – like the cannibal kingfisher

3) S&W: Many articles under ToL have requests for people to add images that can go unanswered. What can the community do to improve the coverage of different organisms on Wikipedia, especially when it comes to images?

• Charlesjsharp: It’s a very time consuming process because the Wikipedia code is cumbersome (*see below). It take an age to upload to Commons: to describe, categorize, geocode. Many of the categories don’t exist so have to be created. If the image is of a subspecies, then all the images have to be checked before you can nominate an image for VI. It’s also takes ages to nominate images for VI and QI on Commons. May be some users use sophisticated tools to lighten the load, but I don’t know if they exist. In other words, Wikipedia is OK, but Commons is a nightmare. Hundreds of really poor quality photos clog up the system and some users are too lazy to filter and edit their nominations.
  

Recently, some thoughtless editor added a ‘caption’ box to Commons. A waste of time. The image title should act as the caption.

I applied for a grant to attend Wikimania, but was unsuccessful. Not much can happen without some funding to kickstart and then drive improvements forward.
Here was my response to the question: "How can we increase the quality and diversity of images being uploaded and, in particular, improve the Featured Picture, Quality Image and Valued Image projects?"

Panther chameleon male, photographed by Charlesjsharp

1. Work together on pre-defined projects to develop a team spirit that will help us develop a set of shared values

2. Through brainstorming, Identify what we need to do to improve the quality and diversity of images being uploaded and, in particular, identify what we need to do to improve the credibility of the Featured Picture, Quality Image and Valued Image projects

3. By sharing our photographic skills, find ways to share skills with the community. Knowledge transfer is time-consuming and we need to set limited objectives and realistic time frames. This will require compromise as individuals have to listen and find ways to agree. This is going to be much easier through face-to-face meetings

3. Identify what we need to do to improve the quality and diversity of images being uploaded (diversity of contributor and diversity in subject) and, in particular, identify what we need to do to improve the credibility of the Featured Picture, Quality Image and Valued Image projects

4. Spend more time talking about values and knowledge transfer than sharing photography tips amongst delegates, then getting all delegates to agree to DO SOMETHING WHEN THEY GET HOME to take things forward.

4) S&W: What advice would you give to people new to photographing wildlife?

• Charlesjsharp: An impossible question unless you know what someone’s objective is. So you’re on your first safari? Borrow or rent a decent camera and a quality 300mm lens. Then read a few of the dozens of free advice pages on the internet. Then when you’re out and about, take the lens cap off and set the camera to fully automatic sports mode. Be ready. If you’ve time, get in the right place (sunlight/background). Watch the animal’s behaviour. Point and shoot. Glance at the screen. If OK, repeat. Only then start playing with the settings to optimise shutter speed, F number and ISO.
  

5) S&W: What would the Tree of Life community be surprised to learn about your life off-wiki?

• Charlesjsharp: I used to be a high-end stamp collector (early USA). My photography is a sort of collecting. And I’m a keen bridge player.

* An example of cumbersome code: getting the layout of my responses to your questions. So dated, and no online spellchecker.

July DYKs

• ... that the wildlife of Senegal includes a critically endangered subspecies of the giant eland and the common Senegal one-striped grass mouse? (July 1)

Cycloseris distorta

Tiny the Wonder, killing rats
at the Blue Anchor Tavern

Episcia cupreata flower

• ... that the free-living, solitary coral Cycloseris distorta (pictured) can subdivide its stony skeleton and form two new individuals? (July 4)
• ... that the wildlife of Nigeria includes 940 species of bird and all eight known species of West African mangrove? (July 6)
• ... that Hypericum olympicum , an Award of Garden Merit winner, is toxic to dogs, cats, and horses? (July 10)
• ... that flyways used by migrating wetland birds have traditional staging points where they can rebuild their energy reserves? (July 12)
• ... that in two species of megabat, males have been observed to produce milk? (July 13)
• ... that the cave-nesting rockwarbler has also been called the "hanging dick" because of its nest? (July 15)
• ... that Strombosia pustulata is one of over two hundred species of tree growing in the Omo Forest Reserve? (July 16)
• ... that Tiny the Wonder (pictured) could kill 200 rats per hour in London's rat-baiting pits? (July 17)
• ... that the clingfish Diplecogaster bimaculata has been photographed cleaning a moray eel? (July 17)
• ... that in South Africa, the mosquito Anopheles funestus used to breed in fast-moving streams but now prefers swamps? (July 18)
• ... that while the leaf shape varies among hybrids of Episcia cupreata (pictured), the flowers always have the same form? (July 19)
• ... that Sommen charrs are a relict population that has survived because of Lake Sommen's great depth, and its cold and oxygen-rich waters? (July 20)
• ... that the extinction of the Bramble Cay melomys was described as the first for a mammal species due to anthropogenic climate change? (July 21)
• ... that Félicette, the first cat in space, was subjected to 9.5 g of acceleration and five minutes of weightlessness? (July 22)
• ... that the fly Phytobia betulae is just 5 mm (0.2 in) long but the tunnel made by its larva inside a birch tree may reach 17 m (56 ft)? (July 23)
• ... that rooks are intelligent birds and can rival or even beat chimpanzees in puzzle-solving tests? (July 24)
• ... that the Guinean striped mojarra is one of the fish caught in the less polluted part of the Ébrié Lagoon (July 27)
• ... that a new disease which is deadly to corals is spreading from the Florida Keys to other parts of the Caribbean? (July 28)
• ... that the yellow-footed honeyguide probably includes beeswax in its diet? (July 30)

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Sent by ZLEA via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:59, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Okay

I already put the last image of basilosaurus in the article, Its been there for weeks now, and I already put the thing saying it is was outdated for as long as its been in the article, you dont have to bring it up--Bubblesorg (talk) 17:47, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

What image? FunkMonk (talk) 21:47, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

I think that Bubblesorg's referring to File:Pr00208.jpg. I'm not sure why this has been added to your talk page, seeing as you stated that it "can be excused and used as a historical example," FunkMonk. I posted it at WP:PALEOART for the sake of completeness and since it's missing an inaccurate paleoart tag. I don't think that anyone's arguing to remove it from the article. But, Bubblesorg, please keep these discussions on the pages they started on unless there's a really good reason to continue it elsewhere. --Slate Weasel (talk | contribs) 22:58, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, most other users won't know that a discussion has suddenly been continued on a userpage. So keep discussion on project or article talk pages if they are relevant to those. FunkMonk (talk) 01:40, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

sure--Bubblesorg (talk) 01:49, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello!

Hello! Sorry for bothering.
I've noticed your name in the list of the WP:FAC mentors. Recently, I have released a new article about Indonesian home gardens and I hope that it would be satisfactory to the standards of a featured article. However, I'm afraid that I've made major errors that I haven't noticed yet. If you have any time to give any advice or constructive criticism, comments in its peer review page would be appreciated. Thank you in advance! Dhio-270599 17:21, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Not exactly my expertise area, but I'll give it a look. FunkMonk (talk) 20:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Did JP have any colours less extreme?

I'll leave it to you, but the page would be easier on the eye if we just picked two colours that fit into Wikipedia's colour scheme (e.g. calm colours, not a 1995 geocities webpage). Could a nice blue and a nice green be used and named after the possible colour of some key dinosaurs from the films? Or use a steely blue and a steely green like the logo for Jurassic World? Great floors (talk) 20:47, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Basilosaurus drazindai validity

B. drazindai ( Gingerich et al. 1997) was once considered to be a member of Basilosaurus and the oldest member of the genus, the only basilosaurus species found in Pakistan and England, this animal was said to of primitive nature. Only known from a few vertebre the species was questioned by many. Uhen, the guy who does the archeocete stuff, combined it with Eocetus. That seems to be the consensues on this site be a couple of days ago I got into a bit of a scrounge with an editor who said B.drazindai is still basilosaurus, the person and me were debating over the Eocetus. He handed this paper and although it does not mention anything about drazindai,it mentions things about eocetus, I cant get the full paper, only an abstract. So the question is, does drazindai deserve to a valid Basilosaurus species? Is Uhen alone in his beliefs? The paper is herehttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1464343X1530039X (is the editor valid)?--Bubblesorg (talk) 04:28, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't know which Uhen paper you refer to, but he designates drazindai as a nomen dubium in Uhen 2013:

Because of the very limited and questionably diagnostic type specimens of each, the genus Basiloterus, and the species Basiloterus hussaini, and Basilosaurus drazindai are here designated nomina dubia, and identified as Basilosauridae indet. (pg. 5)

Also, please don't put words into my mouth. I said that drazindai is a separate species of Eocetus from E. schweinfurthi, following Gingerich and Zouhri. 2001:569:782B:7A00:C06B:BAF0:8378:A8F7 (talk) 05:18, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

oh sorry, i thought you said it was a valid species of basilosaurus, never mind--Bubblesorg (talk) 05:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

• As above, keep this kind of discussion on article talk pages, not under talk pages. FunkMonk (talk) 17:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

The GA Review

I don't quite understand your note: Requesting opinion on how to deal with early history as fighting dog. As the nom, I realize my opinion must be dismissed but please allow me to clarify something that appears to have been lost because of the unnecessary disruption we have experienced. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier - the modern purebred breed of dog that is recognized by AKC, KC, CKC, and numerous other reputable kennel clubs around the world, are far removed from the fighting dogs of the 1800s. The evolution of the modern Staffie represents multiple decades of effort to perfect the breed - document it, develop a breed standard, and eliminate the undesirable traits of their ancesters, including looks and temperament. The breed has evolved from some mixed terrier x bulldog cross of unknown origins to a documented, purebred dog whose lineage can be traced back several generations - none of which were documented as fighting dogs, all of which was crossbred out of the lineage. Let's say that your DNA traces back to Celts and Vikings of the 17th & 18th centuries. How would we deal with the early history of your BLP? Would we use SYNTH to make it appear that because your ancestors were Viking warriors, you should be subject to DNA specific legislation and be banned from living in certain communities? Let's look at the American Quarter Horse which originated from centuries-old crosses of Arabian horses, Spanish horses, and English-bred horses. They have evolved to fit a distinct purpose, but they still have ears, tails, hooves and eat hay just like their ancestors did. Every now and then, you may see a Quarter Horse with a beautiful dished nose like that of an Arabian, but decades of responsible breeding for a distinct purpose changes things. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 18:16, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, don't get me wrong, I think what has happened to the article is a huge mess, but I requested that second opinion for two reasons: 1, to make it clear to everyone when it passes that more than one reviewer has agreed it should pass (which will hopefully prevent too much whining after the fact, as it has not been an unilateral decision), and 2, because I am unsure from both the talk page and the article itself whether this breed itself, not just its ancestors, has been used as fighting dogs. Opinions seem to be divided on the talk page, so hopefully a second reviewer will help with putting a final nail in the coffin to this issue, and show to the dissenters on the talk page that every step has been taken to keep the article neutral. It is extremely rare that GAN reviews are this controversial, which is why I'm taking these steps; I fear the article would just become a fighting ground afterwards if things are finished too hastily. FunkMonk (talk) 19:26, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Makes perfect sense...thank you! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 21:22, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Kosmoceratops

As someone who isn't an expert in paleontology or dinosaurs, this article was incredibly dense and difficult to comprehend. I fear it may be similarly hard to understand for the average reader. The article incorporated many studies/journal articles. It also used a plethora of technical terms. (Even though they were defined/explained, the article overall was still hard to comprehend.) I do not know the standard among Wikipedia's dinosaur articles, but the {{overly detailed}} and {{technical}} templates may be appropriate for this article. Alternatively, feel free to try to replace jargon with more common terms and cut down on some of lengthy paragraphs, especially those regarding the studies. Best of luck with the article. —Bobbychan193 (talk) 23:48, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the copy edit, looks good! In general, technical terms and concepts are explained in parenthesis or similar, and I have nothing against adding more of that if something is unclear. Any particular examples I could go over? Also, such issues are usually brought up by FAC reviewers, so it is routine that I add more explanation or simplify things then. FunkMonk (talk) 23:57, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

It would be better to wait for experienced FAC reviewers then. It was just constructive feedback and a friendly heads up for your benefit. —Bobbychan193 (talk) 00:14, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, but feel free to point out if something is particularly irksome. It can be hard to know when one is too immersed in the subject already. FunkMonk (talk) 00:20, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

I think the Paleobiology and Paleoenvironment sections (the latter especially) gave me a lot of trouble. An example of a specific sentence: All elements were dominated by densely vascularized tissue, indicating sustained rapid growth that is also confirmed by radially oriented vascular canals and dense osteocytes throughout their development. This sentence and a lot of the sentences regarding various scientists' findings were all lengthy and hard to understand without re-reading them. My suggestion would be to restructure the scientists' findings. Instead of having all of the findings and arguments laid out chronologically, they could be grouped into "camps" of thought (as a lot of them disagreed with each other's findings). Within each "camp" section, you could order the findings chronologically, or you could put the most important stuff earlier. (In my opinion, the order in which the studies were published, or the years that they were released, or even the scholars involved, aren't as important as the ideas they manifest. The average reader would probably care most about broad ideas, and the article should be structured in a way that conveys these ideas as straightforwardly as possible.) Hope this helps. Bobbychan193 (talk) 00:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, it's still under GA review, so I'll also try to bring this up with the reviewer. FunkMonk (talk) 19:20, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree with this one. What about "The bone tissue had a high number of osteocytes (bone cells) as well as a dense network of blood vessels, including radially oriented vascular canals (blood canals running towards the bone interior), indicating sustained rapid growth"? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:31, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Took the suggestion. I am doing some other minor fixes to prevent ambiguities and such, and I'm not sure about that bulleted list that was introduced: WP:Embedded lists seems to advise against them in cases like this. FunkMonk (talk) 03:45, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Kosmoceratops

The article Kosmoceratops you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Kosmoceratops for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jens Lallensack -- Jens Lallensack (talk) 22:01, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Google books links

Regarding your claim that Google books links are unstable, are you sure you're not thinking of Google search results? I've worked with such links for a number of years and the only "instability" I've encountered is that you may receive a notice that you have reached your limit for looking within that particular book (which is a temporary, ip-specific outcome that is not problematic in the context of Wikipedia article citations). All the links I've created to a specific page in a specific book have been stable, in my experience, and I have a hard time seeing the logic of why such a link would give different results in different countries. Has your experience been different? WolfmanSF (talk) 05:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

It is just how it works, see Google Books under details. What regular readers get is usually just what's under preview and snippet view, even for public domain works. In my experience, and that of others here, what you see one moment can change the next. Archive.org is always the same. FunkMonk (talk) 02:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

As I've pointed out, I'm pretty familiar the subject, probably more so than you are. That's not how it works. Following are 12 Google Books links I just pulled up that I have used in the past, together with the date I added them to an article (and the links to those edits). On my end, all these links still work, and I suspect they'll work for you as well. No not all Google Books links are stable, just like little else in the internet is completely stable. However, the idea that Google Books links are so untrustworthy as not to be useful is absurd. They have been far more stable than IUCN links, which we use constantly. Given that the Archive.org links in question don't link to the relevant content, while the Google Books links do, there is no rational justification for substituting the former for the latter. WolfmanSF (talk) 03:44, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Google Books links I've added to articles in the past

Title	Date linked	Link used	Linking edit
Splendid Isolation (book summary)	9 May 2009	link	edit
Mammal Species of the World (p. 22)	30 October 2010	link	edit
Mammal Species of the World (p. 1535)	30 October 2010	link	edit
The Panda's Thumb (front cover)	5 June 2011	link	edit
The Diversity of Life (front cover)	5 June 2011	link	edit
The Geographical Distribution of Animals, Vol. 1 (front cover)	5 June 2011	link	edit
The Geographical Distribution of Animals, Vol. 2 (front cover)	5 June 2011	link	edit
Dogs: Their Fossil Relatives and Evolutionary History (p. 19)	19 June 2013	link	edit
Turning Points of the Civil War (p. 49)	29 June 2013	link	edit
Battle Cry of Freedom: The Civil War Era (p. 665)	14 June 2015	link	edit
Extinctions in Near Time (p. 38)	7 November 2015	link	edit
The G. A. Biotic Interchange: A S. American Perspective (book summary)	23 December 2015	link	edit

• Again, if you always check from the same country, you will not get the same result as me necessarily who lives in another country. For example, the very first link you sent only shows me a book I can't access (this goes for a couple of others as well). But anyway, this isn't a personal issue for me, it is a general issue, see these long, past discussions about it:[1][2] So the take home message is, Google Books links decay over time and show different things in different countries, the latter point which I doubt your above survey accounts for. Archive.org doesn't. So there is absolutely no reason at all to replace Archive.org links with Google Book links. If the Archive.org links don't link to the exact pages, just change the links. FunkMonk (talk) 03:54, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Please humor me and check all the links. The first link is for a book that has no preview, so your result is the same as mine. What about the others? Thus far, I have seen no evidence that either of your claims is true.

By the way, the statements made in both discussions that Google Books links are unstable were largely debunked by other editors, so neither of those discussions supports your position. Another editor made the comment "I am beginning to think that the people who are opposed to deep links are the ones who are simply unfamiliar with the way that Google Books works." That may be spot on. WolfmanSF (talk) 06:06, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Why show me a link that no one can check then? To "humor" me? This link doesn't work either:[3] This link doesn't show large page ranges:[4] And that's just from a cursory look. In any case, you have not explained why it is necessary to change to Google Books links rather than correct the supposedly incorrect page links at Archive.org. Seems rather pointless, but I'm all ears. FunkMonk (talk) 06:14, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

TFA

Thank you today for Paraceratherium, "the largest land mammal that has ever lived. The article was in a sorry state before, but luckily the first semi-technical book devoted to this animal was published last year, which synthesised a lot of obscure information, and is the main basis for this article."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Welcome, I even forgot it was on today! FunkMonk (talk) 19:02, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Commons

I screwed-up the ping so instead of redoing it, I'll just point you to this. Thanks in advance! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:46, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

August 2019 Tree of Life Newsletter

August 2019—Issue 005

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Letter-winged kite by Casliber Megabat by Enwebb Rock parrot by Casliber Adelophthalmidae by Super Dromaeosaurus Giant golden-crowned flying fox by Enwebb, reviewed by Starsandwhales Myxomatosis by Rabbit Vet, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Tylopterella by Super Dromaeosaurus, reviewed by Starsandwhales and Enwebb Kosmoceratops by FunkMonk, reviewed by Jens Lallensack Slender glass lizard by SL93, reviewed by Casliber Guano by Enwebb, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Dvulikiaspis by Super Dromaeosaurus, reviewed by Casliber Rock parrot by Casliber, reviewed by The Rambling Man Leptospirosis by Cerevisae, reviewed by Ajpolino Hepatitis E by Ozzie10aaaa, reviewed by Casliber Cardabiodon by Macrophyseter, reviewed by FunkMonk Clostridium tetani by Ajpolino, reviewed by Chiswick Chap

Newly nominated content

Kosmoceratops by FunkMonk Western yellow robin by Casliber Pekarangan by Dhio270599 Hibbertopterus by Ichthyovenator

What's the relevance of WikiJournals to WP:TOL?

WikiJournal of Science is an open-access, peer-reviewed journal

One publishing pipeline for WikiJSci

Guest column by Thomas Shafee (Evolution and evolvability), Editor in Chief of WikiJournal of Science

The Tree of Life WikiProject and its sprawling phylogeny of daughter projects is one of the largest and most active communities in Wikipedia. It encompasses approximately 570 Featured Articles and well over a thousand Good Articles (second only to military history). The WikiJournal of Science (one of three current journals in the user group) has a few aims that may closely align with the interests of the ToL community.

Review of existing articles

Firstly, WikiJSci can be a complementary system for FA review (getting external review, input, and validity). When an Wikipedia article is nominated (via WP:JAN), journal editors go out to non-Wikipedian academics and researchers who have published on the subject on the last five years and invite them to give feedback comments (e.g. Peripatric speciation and Baryonyx). The resulting changes can then be integrated back into the Wikipedia article.

Attracting new articles and contributors

Getting more editors involved in Wikipedia is always a high priority. WikiJSci can also be a way to encourage new people to contribute articles (especially on missing/stub/start topics). An example of an article that was written from scratch by a group of non-Wikipedians is Teladorsagia circumcincta. This not only resulted in a new Wikipedia page on an underdeveloped topic, but introduced the idea of Wikimedia contribution to a group of people who had previously never considered it.

Images, videos, sound and galleries

The journal can be a way to get multimedia content reviewed or encourage contribution. The same approach could be easily adapted to sounds (e.g. frog mating calls) or videos (e.g. starfish feet motion). It also allows for tracking of those images in new articles via Altmetric (this example has >200, which is bananas). There aren't any biology examples in WikiJSci yet, but the sister medical journal has published a few summary diagrams, photography, and image galleries. Examples include this gallery by Blausen Medical or the diagram of cell disassembly during apoptosis.

Other projects

For those interested in other Wikimedia sister projects, there's also broad scope for interactions with the WikiJournals. Perhaps peer reviewed teaching resources could be useful to sit alongside sets of Wikipedia articles and be integrated into Wikiversity courses (like this or this)? Can sections of Wikidata & Wikispecies be peer reviewed? What are the potential avenues for integration with WikiCite, WikiFactMine, Scholia, etc.? Currently, WikiJSci is aiming to be very flexible and try out different formats so long as they can be externally peer reviewed.

For more info, see the 2019-06-30 Signpost article and the current sister project proposal.

Editor spotlight: Cwmhiraeth

1) Enwebb: You're very prolific with DYKs, with over 2,000 nominations credited (in fact, I'll highlight which DYK nominations this month were yours below). What made you become so involved in this part of Wikipedia? Why should Tree of Life editors nominate articles for DYK?

Cwmhiraeth: I became aware of the WikiCup in 2012 and entered the contest. The scoring structure seemed to me to favour DYKs, and I went to considerable trouble to identify short stubs that could be expanded into qualifying start class articles with multiple bonus points. Casliber introduced me to preparing articles for FAC and Sasata helped me with my first solo FA. I won the WikiCup that year, and repeated that success the following year, after which the Cup got a bit more competitive. By that time, nominating articles for DYK was an ingrained habit, and I have continued doing so ever since, but at a rather slower rate. I do more work behind the scenes at DYK now, reviewing other people's nominations in excess of my QPQ requirement, and building prep sets ready to go on the main page, and I retired from competing in the WikiCup and became a judge instead. I would encourage ToL editors to nominate suitable articles for DYK because it gives great satisfaction to know that hundreds or even thousands of people have appreciated your work, and it provides a foil for the biographies and historical articles that predominate there.

2) Enwebb: I noticed that your DYK nominations reflect a diverse array of flora and fauna, from trees, marine invertebrates, birds, fishes, and mammals. How do you decide what to work on?

Cwmhiraeth: As I look around different articles I keep a note of things I might work on, red links, stub articles that need expanding or places in articles where I would like to add a wikilink but no suitable target page exists. So I have this list, but more often than not I choose a new article to work on based on a Google book that I have been using in a previous article. I like Google books; some of them are really useful for species articles, the main annoyance being when certain pages are permanently unavailable, although I am quite good at tricking the books into revealing pages that they were trying to prevent me from viewing. Eventually I get bored with African rodents, or whatever my present topic is, and move on. I am particularly interested in organisms living in extreme habitats, endangered species, invasive species, pest species, parasites or creatures with interesting behavioural traits.

3) Enwebb: Which of your Wikipedia accomplishments are you most proud of?

Cwmhiraeth: Well, Sea really. Again that was inspired by the WikiCup, and working in collaboration with Chiswick Chap, we took it from virtually nothing, little more than a list of seas, through DYK and GA, culminating in a really tough FA. That was very satisfying (as were the 1000 odd points it gained me at the WikiCup). In complete contrast was the article Tree. I completely rewrote it in a sandbox as an entry for the "Core contest". The previous version had been quite short with a section on "Record breaking trees" which I hived off into a separate article. My new version was immediately challenged and an edit war would have erupted had I not decided to retire from the fray. My version had some serious flaws, I had never studied botany and I had used a book source which misled me. However, after corrections, my version largely remained in place and I later joined Chiswick Chap in bringing the article to GA status.

4) Enwebb: What motivates you to keep contributing? What's your 10,000 ft view (pardon the non-SI) of the community and Tree of Life?

Cwmhiraeth: I think Wikipedia is a really great project. The idea of Wikipedia as a pool of knowledge contributed to by thousands of individuals in hundreds of countries is inspiring. It would be nice if we had no vandalism and everyone co-operated with everyone else in an amicable spirit, but as we are all human, it does not quite work out like that. I like to think of my efforts as a legacy that will continue in existence after I am gone.

6) Enwebb: How did you first become interested in natural history?

Cwmhiraeth: When I was young I had an elderly aunt who used to come to stay and who would take me for walks in the countryside, during which we would watch birds and identify wild flowers. She would take me out at weekends from my girls-only boarding school and we would search for orchids on the Wiltshire Downs. My school was not geared up for science, we just did general science for O-levels, and when it came to A-levels, I was the only pupil in my year to do zoology and chemistry, and one of only two to do physics, for which we had to cycle off to the grammar school on the other side of town. I wanted to be a vet, but was discouraged by my father, obtained a BSc in biochemistry and ended up in an unrelated job. If I were to live my life again, things might work out differently, but then I dare say we could all say that!

August DYKs

Weebill

Nanhaipotamon macau

P. lutzii (yeast phase)

Cannonball mangrove

Ruspolia nitidula male

Female kob and calf

• ... that falguera, a plant known from only one valley in Spain, is threatened by rock climbers and by road maintenance? (1 August)
• ... that Dioscorea chouardii is known from a single crag in the Pyrenees and has been monitored using scaffolding and telescopes? (3 August)
• ... that the tree Humbertia madagascariensis, whose durable timber is used in heavy construction, is a member of the morning glory family? (4 August)
• ... that the new pine knot-horn is a serious pest of maritime pine plantations? (5 August)
• ... that William Pope created "the first comprehensive, well executed pictorial record of Canadian birds"? (7 August)
• ... that fronds of the seaweed Halimeda tuna each consist of a single cell? (8 August)
• ... that Elongatoolithus, Macroolithus, and Nanhsiungoolithus were the first types of fossil eggs to be given names in the modern classification system? (9 August)
• ... that the maple Acer beckianum was described from a piece of petrified wood found near Vantage, Washington, in 1954? (10 August)
• ... that the queen parrotfish feeds on the algae it scrapes from corals and other surfaces, resulting in bioerosion? (11 August)
• ... that the weebill (pictured), measuring 8 to 9 cm (3.1 to 3.5 in) long, is Australia's smallest bird? (12 August)
• ... that sheep infected with the parasitic nematode Teladorsagia circumcincta may suffer from protein deficiency? (12 August)
• ... that the Sahel bush sparrow, found in the Oti Valley Faunal Reserve, is one of 676 species of bird recorded in Togo? (13 August)
• ... that the Ethiopian white-footed mouse and the Ethiopian forest brush-furred rat are two of the most abundant rodents in the montane forests of Ethiopia? (13 August)
• ... that Dardanus deformis is one of at least 24 species of hermit crab that transfer sea anemones to a new shell? (14 August)
• ... that the ornate rainbowfish can survive in water as acidic as orange juice? (14 August)
• ... that the African giant shrew was first described from a mummified specimen found in an ancient Egyptian tomb? (15 August)
• ... that the brown-cheeked hornbill is among the eleven species of hornbill native to Ivory Coast? (15 August)
• ... that among the many uses of Erythrophleum ivorense and Lannea welwitschii, trees growing in Assagny National Park, are rope-making, canoe-building and to poison fish? (16 August)
• ... that the densely-populated territory of Macau is home to a recently discovered, endemic species of freshwater crab of the genus Nanhaipotamon (pictured)? (17 August)
• ... that the crimson seedcracker has two morphs, large-billed and small-billed, but this trait is not related to sex, age, body size, or location? (18 August)
• ... that the large leaves of Marantochloa purpurea are used for wrapping cola nuts to prevent them from becoming desiccated? (18 August)
• ... that the sea anemone Anemonia sulcata is known as ortiguilla in southern Spain, where it is a popular seafood? (19 August)
• ... that the Sorana bean is grown in such small quantities and is in such demand that it commands prices six to ten times higher than those of other cannellini beans? (19 August)
• ... that antelope grass can recover quickly after wildfires even in the middle of the dry season? (19 August)
• ... that the Namib brush-tailed gerbil uses ultrasonic whistles and foot drumming to communicate? (20 August)
• ... that deforestation in Brazil could be linked to higher rates of the severe fungal infection caused by P. lutzii (pictured), a neglected tropical disease?
• ... that in Cameroon, edible caterpillars are cultivated on dwarf red ironwood leaves? (20 August)
• ... that the lesser seedcracker enjoys rice and the large, hard seeds of carrycillo? (21 August)
• ... that despite their names, the greater Egyptian gerbil and the lesser Egyptian gerbil are found across much of North Africa? (21 August)
• ... that it is not known whether larvae of Deretaphrus beetles spin their cocoons from their mouths or anal glands? (22 August)
• ... that the toxic bark of a Madagascan tree species has been used as a poison in trials by ordeal? (23 August)
• ... that the cannonball (pictured) and white-flowered black mangroves are among the ten species of mangrove listed as occurring in Mozambique? (24 August)
• ... that strips of bark from the West African copal are used to make beehives, while the flowers are attractive to bees? (24 August)
• ... that the swamp musk shrew scrambles around among aquatic vegetation in the dark? (25 August)
• ... that the rock parrot often nests in the old burrows of seabirds? (26 August)
• ... that the bush cricket Ruspolia nitidula (pictured) is commonly eaten in Uganda, where the price per unit weight is periodically higher than that of beef? (26 August)
• ... that despite its reported disappearance from Britain and other European countries, the fountain spleenwort is still considered to have a stable population trend? (27 August)
• ... that the African hut tampan can transmit relapsing fever in humans and African swine fever in pigs? (28 August)
• ... that in 1946, entomologists E. B. Pinniger and Cynthia Longfield were the first to identify the dainty damselfly in Britain? (28 August)
• ... that the Argus tortoise beetle is named after the mythical Greek giant Argus Panoptes? (28 August)
• ... that Pollichia campestris was first described in 1789 by the Scottish botanist William Aiton in the publication Hortus Kewensis, a catalogue of all the plants then being cultivated at Kew Gardens? (30 August)
• ... that the wildlife of Uganda includes the Ugandan kob (pictured), the Uganda mangabey, and the Ugandan musk shrew? (30 August)
• ... that the blue korhaan favours habitats with short grass, dwarf shrubs, and termite mounds, but few trees? (31 August)
• ... that forests in the Guineo-Congolian region of Africa include patches dominated by a single species of tree, such as Brachystegia laurentii, Julbernardia seretii, Michelsonia microphylla, or Gilbertiodendron dewevrei? (31 August)
• Highlighted DYKs were submitted by this month's spotlighted editor, Cwmhiraeth

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I have changed a few dinosaur taxa extinction dates

I changed the Kpg to its More accurate 66.043, can you help me out with maastrichtian fauna changing, thanks :D--Bubblesorg (talk) 20:26, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

You are doing a lot of serial edits these days without discussing first, and a lot of people are getting annoyed. Please do as I told you long ago and discuss proposed controversial changes on article talk pages (not editor talk pages) before implementing them. FunkMonk (talk) 20:54, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

okay--Bubblesorg (talk) 20:57, 5 September 2019 (UTC) sorry I will revert them--Bubblesorg (talk) 20:58, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Tahiti rail scheduled for TFA

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Ok! FunkMonk (talk) 07:23, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the "bird known from little else than an 18th century drawing"! - Also on the Main page: Clara Schumann, - I decorated my talk ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Almost contemporaries! FunkMonk (talk) 10:07, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Mandate

Hi FunkMonk, thanks again for your support on the Mandate article. After you promoted it, the bot hasn’t done anything - is there anything else i need to do? Onceinawhile (talk) 06:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

No, probably just a temporary glitch. If nothing happens today, I think we can make a notice on the GAN talk page. FunkMonk (talk) 06:19, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Rodrigues solitaire scheduled for TFA

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For Featured Articles promoted on or after October 1, 2018, there will be an existing blurb linked from the FAC talk page, which is likely to be transferred to the TFA page by a coordinator at some point.

We suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors up to the day of this TFA. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:11, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok! FunkMonk (talk) 10:44, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Staffie

Whilst you are enjoying the first hints of the northern autumn, I have added my minor contribution to the Staffie article and believe that we are just about ready for the awarding of a GA status - let us wait until the 20th as Atsme has asked and see who else may have an opinion. Was their lineage developed for fighting? Nobody really knows where these dogs originated from nor their purpose, there is that much breed club myth surrounding them like mist that you can almost cut it with a knife. So, we run with what we have. I am sure that you will be glad to see the end of this "tail". Now, back to my wolves..........William Harristalk 11:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, good to see some movement on this, I felt like I couldn't close it without at least showing that all voices have been heard... Then few can complain after it has been promoted; they had their (long) chance. FunkMonk (talk) 12:33, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

OK, the deadline for feedback has finished (20th), and the time has come for the assessor to decide if the GA is deserved. Then you can get back to your "normal life"! :-) William Harristalk 22:50, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll leave a comment to see if anyone has further things to say before... FunkMonk (talk) 22:54, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

September 2019 Tree of Life Newsletter

September 2019—Issue 006

Tree of Life

Welcome to the Tree of Life newsletter!

Newly recognized content

Kosmoceratops by FunkMonk Onychopterella by Super Dromaeosaurus Western yellow robin by Casliber Western yellow robin by Casliber, reviewed by Josh Milburn Apororhynchus by Mattximus, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Pekarangan by Dhio-270599, reviewed by Cerebellum Fritillaria by Michael Goodyear, reviewed by Chiswick Chap Embioptera by Chiswick Chap and Cwmhiraeth, reviewed by Vanamonde93 Durio graveolens by NessieVL, reviewed by Dunkleosteus77 Big brown bat by Enwebb and Gen. Quon, reviewed by Dunkleosteus77 King brown snake by Casliber, reviewed by Dunkleosteus77 Staffordshire Bull Terrier by Atsme, reviewed by FunkMonk Ambush predator by Chiswick Chap, reviewed by Enwebb Belemnitida by Dunkleosteus77, reviewed by Chiswick Chap

Newly nominated content

Apororhynchus by Mattximus Meinhard Michael Moser by J Milburn St. Croix macaw by FunkMonk Paleocene by Dunkleosteus77 Orcinus meyeri by Dunkleosteus77 Snakefly by Chiswick Chap and Cwmhiraeth Tricolored bat by Enwebb Halloween darter by Enwebb

News at a Glance

• An end in sight for the WikiCup

The 2019 WikiCup is in its fifth and final round, with two of the eight remaining contestants from the ToL community. The 2016 winner Casliber is in first place as of 1 October, and Enwebbb is in seventh place.

• Getting spooky for Halloween

It's the most wonderful time of the year...Halloween, that is. With articles on skeleton frogs, ghost bats, and Satanic nightjars, Wikipedia has more spooky taxa than a graveyard has ghosts. In the new Spooky Species Contest, Tree of Life editors are turning Wikipedia into Spookypedia, working from a crowd-sourced list of taxa. There's still time to sign up! How can you let an article like Draculoides bramstokeri pass you by?

• The never-ending article title

September saw the creation of (takes deep inhalation) Cneoridium dumosum (Nuttall) Hooker F. Collected March 26, 1960, at an Elevation of about 1450 Meters on Cerro Quemazón, 15 Miles South of Bahía de Los Angeles, Baja California, México, Apparently for a Southeastward Range Extension of Some 140 Miles. Just two characters shy of Wikipedia's limit on article title length, Cneoridium dumosum...140 Miles now has the longest article title of any on English Wikipedia. In contrast to its verbose title, the journal article that is the subject of the article is only five words long.

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This month saw a vanishingly rare occurrence for the Tree of Life: a new WikiProject joined the fold. WikiProject Diptera, however, is also unusual in being a classroom project. Whether or not this project will stay active once the semester ends remains to be seen. It does not bode well, however, that WP:WikiProject Vespidae—a creation from the same instructor at St. Louis University—faded to obscurity shortly after the fall semester concluded in 2014. WikiProject Vespidae is defunct and now redirects to the Hymenoptera task force of WikiProject Insects.

Since 2014, the Tree of Life has seen a string of years where one or zero projects or task forces were created. The only projects and task forces created since then are WikiProject Animal anatomy (2014), Hymenoptera task force (2016), Bats task force (2017), WikiProject Hypericaceae (2018), and now WikiProject Diptera (2019). The year 2006 saw the greatest creation of WikiProjects and task forces, with fourteen still active and the remaining six as "semiactive", "inactive", or "defunct".

September DYKs

Enischnomyia fossil in Dominican amber

Lebombo wattle in the sand forest

Betula leopoldae leaf fossil

Pholiota squarrosoides

Lady Burton's rope squirrel

A child picks chili peppers in an Indonesian home garden.

• ... that the Natal cycad and the dune false currant are among the 1,900 endemic plant species found in the Maputaland-Pondoland-Albany Hotspot? (1 September)
• ... that the Ethiopian epauletted fruit bat uses its hind feet to comb its fur and its tongue to wash its face, wing membranes, and genital region? (3 September)
• ... that the scaly ground roller mostly eats earthworms and centipedes, but has been known to also eat frogs, lizards, and shrews? (4 September)
• ... that Kihaule's mouse shrew is named after the medical-entomological technician who collected the type specimen from the Udzungwa Mountains in Tanzania? (5 September)
• ... that the bat fly Enischnomyia (pictured) was first described from a specimen fossilized with Vetufebrus malaria in its gut? (5 September)
• ... that Duthie's golden mole and the long-tailed forest shrew are among the wildlife of South Africa that are both endemic and "vulnerable"? (7 September)
• ... that the Lebombo wattle (pictured), the water ironplum, and the Zulu coshwood grow in the Southern African Sand Forest, where they are often swathed in pinhead orchids and other epiphytes? (8 September)
• ... that Zenker's fruit bat often forages in areas of forest where Haumania liebrechtsiana grows, a plant favoured by gorillas and chimpanzees? (8 September)
• ... that the hard seeds of the Guinea plum are dispersed by elephants, and crushed and eaten by Sanje mangabeys? (9 September)
• ... that the extinct birch Betula leopoldae (leaf fossil pictured) is named after conservationist Estella Leopold? (10 September)
• ... that the Namib day gecko can sprint at 2.5 m/s (8 ft/s) in bright light? (10 September)
• ... that there are believed to be fewer than 100 mature specimens of Dacrydium guillauminii, which is considered critically endangered? (11 September)
• ... that the parasite Enteromyxum scophthalmi causes a severe illness in farmed turbot for which no cure is known? (13 September)
• ... that the nymphs of the mayfly Ephemera simulans are able to burrow? (14 September)
• ... that the Asian garden dormouse can enter torpor, a state in which it may remain for several days? (14 September)
• ... that Alexander's bush squirrel is named after Lieutenant Boyd Alexander, a British Army officer, explorer, and ornithologist? (15 September)
• ... that the mushroom Pholiota squarrosoides (pictured) has decayed logs of the trees Acer saccharum and Tilia glabra in the Great Lakes region of the US? (15 September)
• ... that a dark form of the Angolan slender mongoose is found to the south of the Cunene River and a pale form to the north? (16 September)
• ... that clover grass used to grow in the Pacific Ocean, but has not been seen there since a severe storm in 1996? (16 September)
• ... that despite the Zulu serotine bat having a widespread distribution in Africa, it is not known where it roosts during the day? (17 September)
• ... that Lady Burton's rope squirrel (pictured) was named in honour of Isabel Burton, wife of British explorer Sir Richard Burton? (17 September)
• ... that there is a myth that the pieces of the broken tail of the slender glass lizard can grow into new lizards? (18 September)
• ... that Thomas's rope squirrel can communicate with other squirrels vocally or by stamping? (18 September)
• ... that the cut flesh of the bitter tooth mushroom smells of watermelon? (19 September)
• ... that although honeynut squash originated about forty years ago, it has only been in markets for four years? (19 September)
• ... that the phloem sap of Phyllanthus balgooyi contains up to 16.9 per cent nickel by weight, giving it a bright green color? (20 September)
• ... that although Schreber's yellow bat is believed to be an insectivore, the related white-bellied yellow bat has been observed to eat dead bats in captivity? (20 September)
• ... that nests of the black-tailed tree rat resemble those of the red-billed buffalo weaver? (21 September)
• ... that jackfruits and chili peppers (pictured) are among the many crops planted in Indonesian home gardens? (22 September)
• ... that the African tropical tree Pouteria adolfi-friedericii was named after a German explorer? (23 September)
• ... that the Celebes warty pig has been domesticated and introduced into other Indonesian islands? (23 September)
• ... that the metabolic rate of Rhoptropus bradfieldi is about a quarter of that of other desert lizards? (24 September)
• ... that the dune hairy-footed gerbil locates its burrows close to plants, where the roots stabilise the shifting sand? (28 September)

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Wolf peer review

Hey. Are you up for taking a quick look at wolf? LittleJerry (talk) 02:53, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Yep, not sure how quick it'll be, though, might be good to be thorough already at this stage. FunkMonk (talk) 08:01, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Question

here is the source I found for troodon vetebre and eggs at the judith river formation http://theropoddatabase.com/Troodontidae.htm#Troodonformosus, what do you think?--Bubblesorg (talk) 20:23, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

You should look closer at the sources that page cites, though, that's what we should use. In any case, you can't assign eggs to a taxon only known from teeth, so it is hardly considered probable anymore. FunkMonk (talk) 22:25, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

I see--Bubblesorg (talk) 02:34, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Any problems with the Alphadon page

I have some pictures I took of an alphadon fossil at the Burke museum today. Do you have advice on where to include them --Bubblesorg (talk) 02:36, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

In the Alphadon article, I'd assume? The fossil could be shown in the taxobox and the model moved to description. FunkMonk (talk) 07:29, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Proof

Okay so you say dromeosaur (whatever hes name is) and edaphosaurus is me. However lets take this into considration, Starting with dromeo, hes account dates back to 2010, im 14-15 years old (not giving my real age for security reasons), I would have been 5-6 years old when dromeosaur was on this site. Considering i did not know how to create a wikipedia acount till 2018 and I lived in Singapore and dromeosaur seems to have lived in America, what are the odds. Next edaphosaurus, a user whos account dates back to 2014. Now given the fact I lived in Chicago at the time and I was 10 year old with adhd who was more concerend about godzilla, again what are the odds. Oh and final, his last edits seem to be 2017 (forgive me if I am wrong), I was active only a year later in 2018. Another thing Edaphosaurus may live in washington, but the population of that state is around 7.58, and the odds are stacked against him being me. The Ip as you and fanboyphil have stated is from canada and is unlikely to be me. So given all this evidence, what do you have to say? Or do we ditch all this information. I mean I am pretty big on privacy and I have given you this information, so I mean I am not just tossing it lightly--Bubblesorg (talk) 16:42, 14 October 2019 (UTC) @FunkMonk What do you have to say?--Bubblesorg (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

It is just a claim, saying you are a specific age isn't proof itself. FunkMonk (talk) 23:13, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

FunkMonk, if you want to start an SPI I won't stop you, but just know that the mysterious 2001 IP turned out to be Lythronaxargestes. I don't want to sustain unwarranted accusations on Bubblesorg since I just recently was involved in a major one which completely fell flat. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 00:17, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

In any case, my main problem isn't the socks, but the edits... FunkMonk (talk) 05:50, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough, I agree with your frustration on that front. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 17:23, 15 October 2019 (UTC)