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Tennis updates

I noticed that you were doing some tennis updates and that's great, many articles need them. Some of your updates don't follow protocol so I thought I'd mention them here so I don't have to correct them in future articles. On Performance timelines, if a player (like Rod Laver) has a detailed timeline on his career statistics page, the main page timeline is just the basic Grand Slam events.... really nothing more. Instances of "world No. 1" should be done in that style with lower case world and upper case No. In heading, whether section headings or table headings, usually only the first word is capitalized unless it is a proper noun. So "Grand Slam", but "French Open final" and "Early career." Also, no scores are allowed in prose. Like I said it will help me in doing corrections later. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:01, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

OK, I thought for all kinds of titles the first letter for every word excluding words like "on", "of", "in", etc. should be capitalized. Thanks for the reminder, I will keep it in mind for my future edits. Also for Rod Laver the graph in his career stats page was pretty much the exact same as the one on the main article though, last time I checked. Fresternoch (talk)

Yeah, at wikipedia we do not capitalize all the words of titles... only the proper nouns/names. I noticed today that you created a performance timeline for jrs. Per consensus guidelines they are not allowed. That info should be written as prose. The guideline can be found right here. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

First of all, I found a lot of other articles that has the timeline for juniors. Then I checked the guidelines you provided, and I checked the history to see that you added that rule yourself on October 8, 2013 without a reason provided at all as seen on the history of the page. Since the table isn't a massive size, usually 4 columns at most (and that's a rarity) and always 5 rows, and I also checked the talk page of the guidelines, where I found nothing regarding to the change you made, in fact I did not find a single "junior" on the page, I don't see why this shouldn't be allowed. And all the performance timeline discussions on the talk page I found wasn't remotely connected to stop allowing junior performance timeline tables. So I reverted your edit because I am confident that I have a right and clear reason to do so. Fresternoch (talk)

No it was a clarification of consensus. We do not allow a jr timeline in our articles. Bring it to talk if you want a change. The timeline does not allow tournaments below a certain grade to be in the main timeline or in separate timelines. It was discussed. Jr's is even below futures so I'm guessing some editor back in 2013 didn't realize that so I clarified it. We don't use them, and when we see them we remove them. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:41, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

May I ask where, when and how was this consensus established? I want definite proof of this "consensus", not just a personal preference as I have seen so far. If I do get the proof and if it is good enough, I will consider about it. If it is not enough, I will bring this topic to the talk page. If there isn't an existing consensus, then I will just keep doing what I believe that is right. Fresternoch (talk)

I'm not going to dig through all the talk pages. It is an established long-standing guideline to keep out lesser events. Please, go ahead and bring it up at the project talk page if you'd like to change it. That's exactly what the talk page is for, and we welcome discussions. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:57, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

You're also putting the cart before the horse here. The standard practice at wikipedia is to try and add new material and if it gets reverted to bring it to the article talk page. You do not keep on adding something against our established guidelines without then convincing others. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:04, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

First of all you did not convince me that this change of rule you made is not a personal preference. I read through the guideline history and the talk page and I did not find anything new based on my discoveries that I mentioned above. Tell me a few of the talk pages you mentioned above and I will dig through it myself if you do not want to do so yourself, although that shouldn't be what one should do when trying to convince another. Fresternoch (talk)

August 2016

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2009 Juan Martín del Potro tennis season

I understand your point of not wanting to link till it's complete but I'm not sure about that. Anyone can edit the articles to make them better and the original creator stopped his editing in June. It seems to me that it would have 1000% more likelihood of being found by other editors if it was linked from the 2009 section of Del Porto main article. We get a lot of stub tennis articles created in hopes of getting other editors involved, but they have to find them. Basically all someone has to do it remove about 80% of what in the 2009 section of the main article and transfer to the 2009 article. Any thoughts on that? Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:08, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

What I was thinking is that I want to see if Markreal can get it done, because he was the only one doing the work since the creation of the article a few months back, if not (I would say that we should wait for a few more weeks), we can link it from there to see if anyone else can finish it. I don't think it is anything that should be considered in priority right now since the content of the article is not currently happening. I think your idea of moving info from main to the 2009 article is on point, but I propose we wait to see if he gets it done since he is still active. What do you think? Fresternoch (talk)

I don't mind waiting a few weeks until it's complete, but I may not wait at the 2009 article for him to complete it. I may do some of it myself if I have some time. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:29, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

That's fine, I'll definitely help too when I am available. Fresternoch (talk)

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