User talk:Dreaded Walrus/Archives/June 2007

Brian Crecente

Ok then, you like to follow me around so much, how about you second nominate Brian Crecente for deletion as well as Kotaku. The Crecente page is more of a fanpage/tribute to the guy other than being encyclopedic. As for kotaku, apparently Brian Crecente himself is editing the page, can't get more biased than that. Both are in need of a major cleanup or simply deletion. 70.48.35.191 15:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Firstly, I didn't "follow you around", I always make a habit of checking the contributions of people I revert (in this case, it was you, on the Kotaku page), incase they have made similar edits elsewhere. And that's how I found your edits on the other pages. I don't really have the time right now to nominate the Brian Crecente article for deletion. If you like, you could register (takes a minute or two, at most), then follow the instructions here. You will note how I didn't revert your changes to the Brian Crecente article, and infact, I agree with you so much on that one that I added a template that suggests it looks more like a CV/resumé than an article.

However, I feel that Kotaku is notable enough for an article, and that the templates you added to that page don't reflect the article in its current state. Have a read through the project pages for the templates you added, at WP:FAN, WP:NOT, and WP:NOT#SOAPBOX (for the advert tag), and you will see that they don't really apply to the Kotaku article.

If you need additional help, or aren't willing/able to register to Wikipedia to nominate the Crecente article for deletion yourself, just reply here telling me the exact reason you feel the page will be deleted, and I will nominate the article for deletion on your behalf, later today. Thanks. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 17:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and as for Crecente editing the Kotaku article, this is discouraged on Wikipedia, but not against policy. There are numerous other people who have edited articles relating to them, including Jack Thompson and Jimmy Wales. As long as they don't try to hide that it is them and pretend that they are a neutral outsider, then we generally assume good faith. :) --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 17:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

See this is what worries me, supposedly crecente (or imposter) comes on to take out a negative mention of the site. See 4 edits ago Even in the discussion there is question to their motive, and though that is suspect, it didn't take him long to come on and revert the changes. I have high doubts anything negative could make it into this article without the guard dogs reverting it. 64.231.253.109 01:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... Here's the thing... You're right in saying that the article doesn't really have anything negative in it... but to me, the particular information you referred to does seem a bit one-sided, and poorly referenced (the references are mostly to Kotaku articles that are negative about Sony. The same could easily be done to find articles negative about Microsoft, or Nintendo). In order for the article to properly claim that Kotaku is biased in its reporting, we would need to find references from an independent source that specifically state that Kotaku is biased. I didn't get the chance to do this, but to be honest, I probably would have removed that particular paragraph, too, for the reasons staded.

Still, have you made a decision on what you would like to do with regards to the Crecente article? Let me know if you need any help there. :) --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 01:26, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't actually saying the edit was fair in the first place. I was just trying to point out how quickly it was reverted :P 69.158.170.135 00:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Daaaaammmnn walrus, you're on alot aren't ya. Thanks for the indent :P 64.231.248.87 06:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem, just glad I could help. Remember to try and stay calm during the debate, you seemed a bit excited in those last comments. :) --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 06:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Ya I can admit I was being a smart ass there. I've been looking at the Jennifer Ann Crecente article right now, to be honest it seems like another one for deletion as well as the charity named after her. In many ways it seems inappropriate to nominate it based on what I have previously nominated and the user who was even editing that article. I know that you're a veteran wikipedia user, so I'm just curious, what are your thoughts? Should I wait, go ahead with it, or does it seem unfounded to you? 64.231.248.87 06:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... I agree that if you were to nominate Brian Crecente, Jennifer Ann Crecente and Jennifer Ann's Group for deletion all in one go, it might come across as a bit suspect, or like you had a vendetta against the family, which I'm sure is not the case. Perhaps the best thing to do in this situation would be to read through the talk page of Jennifer Ann's Group, which has discussion relevant to what you are thinking of, and you would do well to note, also, that there has already been an AfD on Jennifer Ann Crecente back in November 2006, which ended with the decision to move the page into Drew's user space. It was moved back to mainspace again on 16 Feb 07, presumably due to the improvements made in that time.

What I would say is, read through the article, make sure that they either pass or do not pass their relevant notability guidelines (for example, WP:BIO for Jennifer Ann Crecente), because if they do pass these guidelines, and you were to nominate them, your reasoning could be seen as you simply not liking the pages. As for my personal thoughts on the matter, I don't really have one. I disagreed with you that the Kotaku article was biased, agreed with you on Brian Crecente, and if I came across the article on Jennifer Ann's Group back when it was in the condition it was when it was listed for AfD, I would have suggested deleting/userfying it.

As always, if you need any help with anything, feel free to come to me, I'll try my best. And again, if you come to the decision that you would like to nominate an article for deletion, you will obviously not be able to complete the process yourself (unregistered users are not allowed to create new pages), so you are welcome to ask me to complete the process for you, provided you let me know what your rationale would be. :) --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 07:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Ya, I've been looking at it and the previous nomination for a while, I'm going to atleast wait until the Brian Crecente afd is decided upon. I'd rather have someone who disagrees with me than asking someone with the same opinions. Thanks again for the advice. 70.48.37.56 03:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Just as background, the person who's been following me around and nominating anything with my last name for deletion, was a commenter on Kotaku who was banned for his inappropriate behavior. Apparently, he's found this to be the best way to react to that decision. Brian Crecente 14:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Tal Ben Haim

Please see my comment to you on the Tal Ben Haim talk page. I have no objection to mention his name in Arabic as well-but please see my notes there. Best --Gilisa 10:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Please remember to mark your edits as minor when (and only when) they genuinely are minor edits (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one (and vice versa) is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.' Thank you. --Atlan (talk) 14:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

FM 2007

Do you own FM 2007 and play it or is it just something that you know about?

Krummy2 10:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm playing it as we speak, actually. Why do you ask? --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 11:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

You seem like a "guru" wiith all the edits, I was thinking if people on game articles all have links to the game with some kind of unwritten law saying you have to play on it to be knowledgeable but aside from wikipedia how the hell do you do well in a league I find it impossible Krummy2 09:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you support West Brom? I might get round to finding time to to the Tutorial I have been too busy lately, for my first proper edit I want to spend time getting it correct. Krummy2 09:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I do support West Brom, but in Football Manager, I usually manage Lancaster City F.C.. though obviously I won't be able to do that in the next one, what with them being relegated out of the Conference North.

Wikipedia probably isn't the place to give videogames advice, so if you're having trouble winning matches, you could do a lot worse than go here. Particularly, these two threads should get you started.

As for Wikipedia, most people start off making small edits, and end up doing more and more as they learn more of the procedures, policies and guidelines. Some people (like me) just spend most of their time making small edits like reverts, grammar/spelling/typo fixes, and redirect/disambiguation bypasses.

No matter what you decide to do, you'll almost certainly be of benefit to Wikipedia, so don't hold off making an edit if you see something that needs changing, alright? And if you ever need any help with things, feel free to come to me. :) --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 13:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Krummy2 15:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

MS Surface wrong link

Hey, just noticed that your embedded wikilink WP:SPEC points to special pages. I think your intent was to link to WP:CRYSTAL or to some other "rules on speculation". I did a quick wikisearch but wasn't sure exactly what you were going for. Quicklink: Talk:Microsoft Surface#Critical reception etc /Blaxthos 04:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks muchly. I often make that kind of mistake, especially with that particular link. Thanks again for pointing it out, I changed the post now. :) --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 13:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

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Richmond, California id like to make a request for comment in the 80 image section please. Cholga saYS THANKS!^{Cholga is a SUPERSTAR}¡Talk2Cholga!_{Sexy Contribs} 01:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I didn't have the time to look up how much everyone had contributed, I just asked the opinions of anyone that had edited the page since early 2007 since I assumed those people might have an interest in commenting since the article had been of some interest or another. If you read the debate it is quite simple. One user is disregarding the facts and trying to mask them and keeps removing an image and denying sourced statements, you don't have to know about the area or have been here, he has not either. As for NPOV "crummiest commute" is not in violation of NPOV. Caltrans (the California Department of Transportation) compiles an annual list of the most congested freeways in California, they themselves call it the "Crummiest Commutes" and it is a direct quote from the San Francisco Chronicle. I thought it was notable that this city has the worst commute in the Bay Area and has had it for the last 7 years, therefore the edit warring has continued as many people readd this image and caption while one sole user continues to remove it. As for solicitation well, I don't care if it seems that way it isn't and even if it were, frowned upon is harly a wikipedia policy so i can do so at any time, now I would never just hit up friends or people with like opinions to back me up however wikipedia isnt run by straw polls for this very reason and policy is what wins and should. Anything else? Thanks for taking the time to comment it's greatly appreciated I just wanted further opinions, I think i found the right place to make a request for comments at this point also. Have a great one and sorry for writing so much I have a.d.d. and sometimes I just go on a roll, Cheers!^{Cholga is a SUPERSTAR}¡Talk2Cholga!_{Sexy Contribs} 03:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Just like to point out, for the sake of accuracy, that Caltrans made no such characterization of the congestion in this area: the only place this even appears in the referenced article is in the headline, so it was obviously the work of the headline editor at the S.F. Chronicle, not Caltrans. (Still arguably "unencyclopedic", I'd say.) +ILike2BeAnonymous 05:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm currently in the process of typing up a response on that talk page. I'll come back here and read this fully after that. :) --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 03:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Now, a proper response. Firstly, like I said in the page, I have no problem with what you did (the cross-posting to talk pages), and it wasn't against the rules. It isn't a policy, but it is a guideline (see Wikipedia:Canvassing). Your messages in this instance were not given to a specific group, or owt like that. So I just provided a general kind of friendly warning to be careful, because doing it for WP:XfD, or if you cross-posted only to people who you KNEW would agree with you, and that kind of thing IS against policy. I just couldn't find it at the time :P. I actually heavily recommend you read that page on canvassing, as you seem to have been (rightly or wrongly) given a more negative warning in the past. As for writing so much, it's no problem at all. It gives me something to read, and you haven't been aggressive, or offensive or anything. :)

Now to the point of the image itself. Like I said on the talk page, I think the image (which is of Interstate 80) is probably more appropriate for inclusion in the article on Interstate 80. As for the caption on the image, my main point is this:

Saying that it is one of the "crummiest commutes" is not encyclopedic language, as "crummy" is barely formal. It also probably isn't a word that most of the world's speakers of the English language could understand. Hell, even here in England some people would not get it. I would have nothing against it being described as "one of the most congested freeways in California", as long as it was backed up with reliable sources, as that is encyclopedic language. But even then, that is more appropriate for the article on Interstate 80 than it is for the article on Richmond, California. Do you see my point on this?

As for the actual straw poll itself, the reason I voted neutral is not only because I didn't want to get into the debate and spend my time reading through it, but also because I don't really have that strong an opinion either way. Still, if you ever have any questions about anything, feel free to come to me, I'll respond when I get chance. :) --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 04:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

vandalism on Richmond, ca

ILike2BeAnonymous has vandalized the page by removing large amount of content on Richmond, ca. He disguised his edit as to revert vandalism and revert that highway picture when he is actually removing other content in the crime section. Cholga already reported him. I am just informing you that. Chris! _{my talk} 23:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, You might be interested that me and ILike2BeAnonymous have had a run in in the past. See here. But yes, his inability to be civil about some things is a bit worrying. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 23:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

User:Victoria Eleanor

Thanks for pointing that out. I remember when she had been living in England, but it was later I knew she "was" from Australia. But who knows anymore. However, I didn't know she spoke Hindi. Well, it's pretty obvious Victoria Eleanor's daughter is not dead--Fluence 01:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. No problem. It is pretty sad, that she (assuming the user is female) needed the attention so badly as to fake her own death, and use a sockpuppet to act as a concerned friend. If I was depressed, I might leave the project, sure, but I would never try to convince my online friends that I had died. It would be an awful thing to do, as they would worry immensely, as you clearly did. Maybe she will explain at one point, why she did it. But like you say, the user hasn't really edited since 25 June. Still, even though me and you have occasionally disagreed on things (usually Keane-related) in the past, I hope you can get over this episode quickly, and carry on your work on the Wikipedias. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 01:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, I noticed another thing. Noplace there she mentions The Vines. The Vines had been highly recognised in Australia even before.--Fluence 01:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

As for her and The Vines, she appeared to add Craig Nicholls to her userpage on 11 May 2006, when she also removed the information about her education and the languages she speaks. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 01:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

So this was all a rather cruel and elaborate hoax then??? Arundhati lejeune 03:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably so, as per this statement by User:DragonflySixtyseven. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 03:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, thanks for your assistance in getting this mess all straightened out then. It's a shame this was done, but better that Victoria Eleanor . . . whoever he/she is . . . is still alive and unharmed. Thanks again. Arundhati lejeune 03:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I didn't really do anything to be fair. It's User:DragonflySixtyseven that brought this to light. I just kinda observed from the sidelines (having been involved with Fluence in the past, and venturing to the other talk pages from there after Jade's messages to him). All I did really, was just point out that according to "Victoria"'s story, she moved to Australia in December, rather than still living in England. Of course, none of that is actually true, rather just a fabrication. And of course, it's good that someone who has obviously made some good edits to Wikipedia in the past is still alive, though I will be interested to see if s/he decides to return after explaining explaining herself, return under a new account name, or simply not edit here anymore. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 03:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

You did plenty. And thanks. Arundhati lejeune 03:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's not a crime. She may have her reasons. Odd but we're all a bit odd by being part of Wikipedia. I still consider her a friend, even though after what she's done. I hope we to someday really know what happened. And, if she somehow did actually die, to rest in peace.--Fluence 03:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

IP 70.186.172.75

This IP belongs to User Arundhati Lejeune . . . I have added that to the IP user page. I think i get logged out after a certain period of time, and sometimes I forgot to log back in. Sorry. Arundhati lejeune 03:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, it's no problem. It's just I saw that someone left a warning on your IP's talk page for "removing other people's comments", when one of the comments was by yourself, just logged in.

As for being logged out, I think there is a checkbox when logging in, that will allow you to choose to stay logged in permenantly. I use it, but if you are on a public computer, it's probably not beneficial. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 03:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Trigger buttons

trigger buttons? On a Mega Drive pad? – Just have a look at Sega Mega Drive#Inputs and outputs. --32X 18:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, wow. I never realised the released an analogue pad. I knew there was one for the Saturn (NiGHTS), but this is new to me. Thanks for pointing this out. So, does this mean that the game only allowed that multiplayer mode in Japan only, and only if you had that special controller? Or did it actually use the face buttons, and the author was mistaken? Or did it use the triggers in Japan, and face buttons elsewhere? It has been so long since I played Micro Machines 2 (probably about 10 years) that I can't remember really. Either way, I'd say the article should be changed to reflect this, probably. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 20:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Hold your breath, they were just labeled "trigger buttons". All Mega Drive/Genesis pads were digital. So much for that part of the story. Looking at the game, 4 pads, 8 people – this doesn't sound very comfortable at all. --32X 19:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see that the face buttons were called "triggers" now, looking at the image close up, but interestingly, according to the section you just linked me to, there is this, also:

Significant 3rd Party Accessories

• Analogue control pad (Incredibly rare Japan only mega drive pad with an analogue stick and triggers)

So unless an author decided to slip in some lies, and they weren't reverted, that's the first I've heard of an analogue Mega Drive pad. That's the bit I was talking about. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 01:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

hi

i noticed that you use spell check with firefox, ive seen this done at my school but didnt know that you could set it up, do you know how? if so would you please tell me how to do this? thanks! also regarding Richmond, Califoria after losing the discussion ILikeToBeAnonymous insists on writing the traffic congestion portion his way. I think it cleary makes sense to state that the morning weekday commute to san francisco from richmond is along the most congested highway in the region, not say hercules or move to I-80. im my honest opinion the articles that state Hercules to the Bay Bridge clearly state that richmond has highly congested freeways in the same way the sentance states west of the mississippi are pretty' cleary states that california is pretty. could you please comment on this on discussion page whatever your feelings. also please let me know on my talk page when you have replied, thank you.^{Cholga is a SUPERSTAR}¡Talk2Cholga!_{Sexy Contribs} 03:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I might be wrong here, but I think spell-checking was only introduced to Firefox with Firefox 2.0. I don't know if you're using the latest version of Firefox, but if not, or if you're not sure, you can always go here. After that, it should either be turned on automatically, or if not, just look on your options. I've shown where it is for you in this screenshot. Let me know how you get on with that. Like I say, if I were to contribute to that discussion, I would most likely be misguided. I have no knowledge of the area, and indeed, very little knowledge of anything west of Florida, having only been to Florida (3 times) and New Hampshire (once, going again later this year) in my life. It would be like if I asked you to weigh in with your opinion on a discussion about Newcastle or Liverpool. Sorry. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 04:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

No im not at all saything that i was just trying to make the logic behind the edit war and mine and chris' consensus very clear in the case that iliketobeanonymous has some sort of inability to grasp this concept.^{Cholga is a SUPERSTAR}¡Talk2Cholga!_{Sexy Contribs} 03:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for Db-ing my page

Just realised that the redirect should be destroyed. Thanks for db-ing it. Anonymous Dissident^Talk 05:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I didn't put a warning on your page, as it's not like you did anything wrong. It was just a simple mistake, and we all do those. :) --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 05:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

When thought out, it was actually a matter of me not pushing the shift key hard enough :) Anonymous Dissident^Talk 09:46, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from User:NastalgicCam

Yeah, I'm kinda new to Wiki as you can tell, and I guess I forgot to edit the time I posted that message when I did so =P, but thanks for letting me know, I'm trying to figure all this stuff out as I go along anyways. Heh.

Thanks NastalgicCam 17:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)