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Your edits to Eat Me, Drink Me

Take a look at this page... Funeral 15:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, I didn't know that, but EAT ME, DRINK ME should stay as it is, otherwise there's false information in Wikipedia. I'll stop with the capitals on It A The And etc. Donniedarkofan2006 15:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Why should "Eat Me, Drink Me" be in capitals? Funeral 15:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Because on the Heirophant and on the actual album itself it's written like that, with all the other song titles written in title case, even in places where it looks awkward, so it must have been done for a reason. Donniedarkofan2006 15:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't matter, most album art is in capitals. According to the naming conventions - "Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art". Funeral 15:41, 12 October 2007 (UTC)'

All the songs EXCEPT that one are in capitals. It's not the specific formatting of the tracklist, it's the title of that individual song. The Heirophant has the same: "EAT ME, DRINK ME". On the page for Holy Wood, track 19 is called "Count to Six and Die (the vacuum of infinite space encompassing)". That's exactly how it's written on the Heirophant. And also on the page for Tool's Aenima, the song "jimmy" is spelt all in lower case letters, as it's written on the CD, and it's been kept so without issue. There shouldn't be one here. Donniedarkofan2006 15:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The way an artist stylises typography on album covers or their website is irrelevant; as shown here. Funeral 15:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

So you're saying that "jimmy" should be changed to "Jimmy", regardless of the intent of the band to illustrate that the song is from the point of view of an 11-year-old boy who has trouble with capital letters at the beginnings of words such as his own name? It's not good for Wikipedia to have false information on its pages, hence "EAT ME, DRINK ME" should be shown instead of the false "Eat Me, Drink Me". Donniedarkofan2006 16:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. "jimmy" should be changed to "Jimmy", if the song is from the point of view of an 11 year old who struggles with grammar, that should be mentioned in the main part of the article - not the track listing section, nor should it be spelt in lower case throughout Ænima's article. In Manson's case, the way "Eat Me, Drink Me" is spelt on the album cover etc. means absolutely nothing, it should not be spelt in capitals in Wikipedia. Funeral 16:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You've contradicted yourself. You're saying "EAT ME, DRINK ME" should be changed to "Eat Me, Drink Me" because it has meaning to be in capitals, yet you're saying "jimmy" should be changed to "Jimmy" even though there is a meaning behind why it's written like that. But there shouldn't be a discussion of the potential meaning behind such artistic alterations of grammar. Whether there is a meaning or not, the creator made it wrong so and persisted in keeping it so (EAT ME, DRINK ME is written in capitals in lots of strange places on the cd and websites). Wikipedia should therefore reproduce these same "errors" for others to view as an encyclopedia should. And maybe to clear up confusion over the grammatical errors, maybe it should be mentioned why they're written so in other places in the article, but the tracklist should be a direct copy of what the artists are giving everyone. Donniedarkofan2006 16:15, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I haven't contradicted myself at all. It doesn't matter how any other website capitalises song titles (or the artist themselves, for that matter).

"Jimmy" should begin with a capital letter - as all song titles should.

"Eat Me, Drink Me" should not be spelt in capitals - it doesn't matter how it is spelt in "lots of strange places on the cd and websites"; they are completely irrelevant to Wikipedia. Funeral 16:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You said "In Manson's case", meaning that it was different to the case of Tool. It didn't make any sense anyway. There is no reason for "jimmy" to have a capital J other than for Wikipedia to misrepresent information that it perceived as wrong in the first place when it's actually correct. Why does Wikipedia need to be different to other sources purely for the sake of its own look? "jimmy" is "jimmy", not "Jimmy". Include a note somewhere saying why, but don't change it to avoid the need to explain, just because it makes the Wikipedia article look untidy. Same deal with "EAT ME, DRINK ME". I dare you to look at the Wikipedia articles for the releases by the band Sunn O))). You'll be shocked by what you see.

Also, "'Jimmy' should begin with a capital letter - as all song titles should." That's incorrect. MOST song titles begin with a capital because it's correct grammar and most artists aren't daring enough to do otherwise. Tool wrote it without because it's meaningful, and the meaning should be conveyed to some extent in the title. Just saying :D Donniedarkofan2006 16:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Funeral asked me to join this conversation. Wikipedia has a guideline on capitalization of album titles and song names, which is to normalize capitalization. This sometimes means changing the capitalization from what is printed on the album. This rule applies regardless of why the album was printed with non-standard capitalization. We should adhere to this guideline. --PEJL 16:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Donniedarkofan2006 16:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

this discussion has some relevance here. --L!nus 19:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Not really, since the artist in this case isn't a band, and the capitalization of the artist name isn't in question. --PEJL 08:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

and yet, a similar argument on capitalisation is going on here. obviously all of this has to be seen in a broader context--L!nus 12:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

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