User talk:Dominick/Archive2

Latest comment: 18 years ago by A.J.A. in topic An Invitation

NPOV enforcer's hitlist edit

Ah, User:NPOVenforcer has added you to his enemy's list on his User page. Welcome to the club! The few, the proud, the people who have pissed off NPOVenforcer!! Kit 05:49, 8 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

I have added a great deal of supporting detail, evidence and information on the user's behavior to your RfC, as well as the second endorsement. Kit 23:16, 8 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
User:NPOVenforcer has been blocked because of his hitlist and choice of username according to a notice on your RfC. I have asked the admin responsible (User:Ral315 if removing the hitlist would be appropriate at this time, or if we need to wait till after the RfC. Kit 06:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)Reply
Ral315 removed the enemy's list. Kit 06:24, 9 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Lima edit

No, I am not "done with" it. Matters like this are never solved in just a few months. For me, I feel no need to be impatient while awaiting the solution. Impatience is counterproductive in relations with others and takes from personal peace of mind. Lima 13:37, 8 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

What on earth do you mean by "how about my objection to the least part of DSL4?" "Least" probably means "last", and "DSL4" must mean something else. I know of no objection you have ever raised against any part of DSL4, which I wrote to present your idea and which I wanted to call DSDL1, putting D for Dominick first. Lima 19:54, 17 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

DSU12 says that, in the rest of the entry, the two terms "are used" (not "are used only") in the narrow sense. So the terms can be used in other senses also. Perhaps it is best to accept DSU12. Or do you prefer to spend several more months on a section that you were once in a great hurry to get beyond? Lima 17:52, 25 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Cannot paragraph 2 be understood in the following sense: "The terms A and B are more exclusively used — and are used, even if not exclusively, in the rest of this entry — to refer to ..."? Lima 05:43, 28 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, I don't feel like entering a quarrel with Used2BAnonymous especially at this moment when we are hopefully about to enter a discussion that may resolve objective (not personal) matters. Lima 05:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Merry Christmas. I know of nothing from you that should make me feel offended. On the contrary, perhaps you should feel offended at some of the sharp expressions I used above. There is still no advance towards a more neutral Traditionalist Catholic article. I may have to insert a contribution in it some day soon and, if necessary, from time to time afterwards. Lima 14:51, 21 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Thanks edit

Thanks for keeping an eye on my user page! — Knowledge Seeker 06:07, 9 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Various issues edit

Hi, Dominick. Apologies for ignoring you for so long. I did receive your messages. I'd be quite interested in Traditional Catholic if I had more time. It is on my watchlist, and has been for some time. I think you did very good work on Karl Keating. Interesting that he seems to have made one anonymous edit to it himself.

I've been looking at the Scott Hahn article, and I see that he's categorized at the bottom as being a member of Opus Dei. Do you know if that's accurate. I've never heard that. By the way, I've started an article on Kimberly Hahn.

I was very glad of your appearance at Terri Schiavo.

Regards, Ann Heneghan (talk) 12:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

NPOVenforcer back? edit

You stated that NPOVenforcer is 'back?' As far as I know, the block on this account has not been lifted. I don ot see any activity from him here or on the IP address he was using before. Has he switched to a new account or IP? Unless he picks another name like 'NPOVenforcer', he is perfectly allowed to return of course, under the conditions of a "block." Kit 19:18, 11 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

I believe you are incorrect, for reasons I outlined on my Talk: page. NPOVenforcer may very well come back at some point, but I do not believe he is currently amongst us. Kit 05:43, 12 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

CfD edit

If you got a minute can you take a look at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 November 7#Category:Soviet spies to Category:Aed Soviet spies. This is a challenge to the sourcing of Venona project materials & direct related article series. Thank you. nobs 22:26, 12 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Roman Catholic Church edit

I see you don't like sui iuri missions. There are currently about 11 of them in the Catholic Church. One is the Cayman islands, another is Tokelau. I am new to this game, so I may foul up the communication.

Thank you edit

Thanks for your help at Category:Soviet spies. Let me know if I can ever be of assistance. nobs 18:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Your signature edit

Hi, Dominick.

Your signature came out all wrong at the AfD page. There was some bug or change of software at Wikipedia recently, and people had to reset their signatures as a result. What you need to do (I think!) is go to My preferences at the top of any page, and then replace your entire nickname with [[User:Dominick|Dominick]] [[User_talk:dominick|<sup>(ŤαĿĶ)</sup>]], making sure that the "raw signatures" box is checked. Then save. Thanks for your reply to my recent message. I wish I had time for all the Wikipedia articles I'm interested in. I have Traditionalist Catholic on my watchlist, so your name appears quite regularly when I refresh the page. Cheers. AnnH (talk) 15:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Traditionalist Catholic edit

Please jump in. We can use more eyes to fix this article. Right now you may wish to look at the Talk archives. Dominick [[User_talk:dominick|<sup>(ŤαĿĶ)</sup>]] 14:30, 28 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

Dear Dominick - Thanks; after I had added, I read the talk page prohibition not to add without first discussing and realized that I would probably get a tongue lashing, but I am relieved. Thanks once again. WikiSceptic 16:04, 28 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

INC article. edit

Wikipedia's adminstration is all over this. The situation is out of hand. I only wish the INC members who used to post here still do, but I don't know what happened. I seriouly hope this person isn't Emico. If it isn't, Emico will be taking the blunt of this guy's posts, and I'll feel so sorry for him. As far as anon's concerened, we've tried everything to get him to be civil, but nothing will work. I don't need to state the obvious about his stance on Wikipedia.

Jondel sent me this message to my talk page, you may want to follow it as well. User talk:Lbmixpro#Don't entertain the Trolls. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 23:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)Reply

If you check out what I wrote at User talk:Woohookitty, there's evidence this anon is User:Starbucks, who is banned. I'd suggest us take the actions at WP:BAN. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 00:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

On an unrelated note, I'm nominated at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Lbmixpro, could you take a moment to vote if you have the time? --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 01:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Unsourced edit

The only reason I've had to place these links on several pages is because several pages don't have reference sections. I was simply acknowledging that the article doesn't follow WP:CITE. How are readers supposed to know which external links are just links to "other related sites" and which external links are sources? This isn't just my opinion either. I discussed this thoroughly with members of Arbcom and Wikimedia. It's just that I am the only one of us that is going through the tedium of adding the actual templates. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 17:53

Hiya D! You might not have noticed but the St. John Lateran is located at the Italian version of its name, thanks to a four person vote in April, even though English speakers worldwide (except in the US) don't use the Italian version of the name. I've proposed a vote to move the page back to its original location. It is at Talk:Basilica di San Giovanni in Laterano. Please drop in and vote. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 05:31, 5 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Traditional Catholic edit

No problem, but I only wanted to vote after I understood the issue. Thanks for helping to clarify. I hope we can someday soon get the whole article nicely done. JG of Borg 23:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

You can view the draft consensus vote at User:Pathoschild/Sandbox. If you have any suggestion about or opposition to this draft, please respond here. Note that opposition to the vote itself is best left on the Traditionalist Catholic talk page, where it will be read by the other voters. Thanks. // Pathoschild 03:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Thanks ! understand what you mean... difficult thing in this case is remembering to go back to old edits to see what has been deleted. Better to add a description of changes so to be able to see this quickly... Not mentioning Marcel Lefebvre in an article about traditional catholicism and Society of St. Pius X, nor his excommunication, is, of course, historical revisionism... Kaliz

The rough consensus vote has failed to achieve any clear agreement. Do you have any opposition to formal mediation? // Pathoschild 19:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Dictionary of the Catholic Resistance edit

Please review and comment. Regards. WikiSceptic 14:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

I intended to build up on the text, and will, though I have seen that you have begun to "New-Church"-ize it! WikiSceptic 16:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply
New Church is the Roman Modernist sect, the fake Catholic Church, led by the Modernist antipopes, presently Fr. Joseph Ratzinger. It is a label used by its own writers, and I have a book with that name, though I will have to really dig for it. Regards. WikiSceptic 17:27, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply
Of course Fr. Joseph Ratzinger holds the keys of the Vatican (but does not own them); he holds them just as Anacletus II and Clement III did! As Pope St. Pius X said to the French Hierarchy, when the Freemasons of France began to play games with the Catholics, "Let them have the churches, we will pray in the streets!" (paraphrase, not exact quote). Of course, one who understands Catholicism will not live under the illusion that physical possession of the Vatican determines who is, and who is not, pope; the Vatican became the residence of the Popes only about a thousand years ago! Regards. WikiSceptic 17:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Hatchet job edit

Dear Dom, — Thanks a lot for the hatchet job on the Dictionary! It becomes quickly obvious that you have not the foggiest idea of what the Traditionalist Catholic movement is all about, or anything about its factions, parties, schools of thoughts, except perhaps cursory acquaintances with terms like "Integrists" and "Rad-Trad". Those two terms are the only ones that I can give you credit for, since I had forgotten them. Your most amazing alteration is to label people like Scott Hahn, Jesse Romero, David & Joseph Moreaux as members of "Independent Catholic Movements". And you claim to be "Catholic"! I suggest that you hie yourself to the Moreaux webpage double fast. Ignorance, they say, is bliss; believe me, 'tis not always so!

Thanks once again! I had thought you mature and intelligent, but I am now tempted to think that perhaps you are just another child prattling about things he does not know about. I hope it is not so!

Yours in the deepest disappointment,


WikiSceptic 17:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I did ask you to review and comment; I did not ask you to do a hatchet job. That is to say, since it is a Wikipedia article, it may be edited by anyone, but a hatchet job is still a hatchet job. But what I am driving at, main point, is that before one comments or edits some text, he should have some real knowledge about it. With great respect, I must say that you demonstrate an obvious lack of that in this article.
The need for this entry was real. I have been fighting for more than a year against stupid entries that "record" non-existent or fictious "Trad-Cat" sects like Militia Christi and Holy Family sect; there are indeed, "Trad-Cat" sects, and this page chronicles them. Since no other page does that, it is both an improvement and supplies a lack (See my satire on this subject)
What are the articles you think need attention? I have been working on many over the past days, all relating to "Traditionalist Catholicism" If you provide me a list, and if I find that I have anything to contribute, I will.
Regards, and apologies for any hard feelings,


WikiSceptic 18:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Matt Drudge edit

Your revert of link vandalism was nothing of the sort. The old link was dead and replaced with a web version of the article maintained by the original article's author. Please be more careful in future edits. Rkevins82 21:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

RC-stub edit

My reason for prferring that the category be renamed to Category:Roman Catholic Church stubs instead of Category:Roman Catholic stubs is that the parent category is Category:Roman Catholic Church so a preference should be given to the full name in the stub category. The implied parent of your preference Category:Roman Catholics does exist, but would narrow the scope of the category to just the people of the church which is not what is being sought. Caerwine Caerwhine 17:24, 7 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

BC watch edit

Sophocles,

Had BC/AD until 2 days ago when it was changed. After being banned I promised - I'm not sure who exactly, but I did and don't want to break it - that I wouldn't revert unless theres been some discussion on the matter. So if you would like you can add your opinion. Thank you, Chooserr

Catholic Project / Traditionalist stuff, etc edit

I'm a bit busy the next two weeks with finals - after that I'll really try to dive into the stuff though. JG of Borg 03:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Charges edit

Why not? i don't know how it works though. I'll be busy also, but that shouldn't stop. Depends on what the charge is. Kaliz 16:45, 12 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

I go with what Kaliz said. Just let me know where I have to be. JG of Borg 17:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Used2BAnonymous is not only link-spamming but misrepresenting the views of all Traditionalist Catholics with her link-spamming claiming to be exclusive. Is there anywhere I can support you with this, Dominick? JG of Borg 20:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

My are ef aye edit

My adminship request was successful!
 
Thank you
Thank you so much for your support of my RfA. The results of the request was 18/0/1. With the help of your support vote, I am now a bona-fide Wikipedia sysop/admin. I pledge to use my newfound powers for the good of Wikipedia and its editors. If you have anything to tell me, dont hesitate to "speak on it"!. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!>

revert war/content fight edit

Please consider engaging other editors more vigorously on Talk:Christian-Jewish reconciliation before removing their edits and communicating only via edit summaries. My perception is that there is a difference of view based on the interpretation of "traditional [Roman] Catholic" (historical positions of the Church) vs. "Traditional Roman Catholic" (the group of clergy and adherents who are of the opinion that the main Church body is, since 1962 I believe, a heresy). I'm not clear on which position you're arguing "t/Traditional Catholic" means, and I think that your failure to communicate that concisely is what's leading other editors to disagree with your position (whatever it might be). Until there is agreement on how to differentiate between these two ideas (or agreement that there is no difference), the content/nomenclature controversy will continue, ad nauseum, until someone takes drastic action or make a technical mistake in violation of policy, at which point completely unrelated allegations are going to be made, and feelings hurt and the like. I'd like to encourage you (and the other editors involved) to try harder to hash out your differences civilly, and then edit the article to reflect whatever consensus you arrive at. Tomertalk 06:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

RfC edit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dominick Used2BAnonymous 06:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Speling edit

No werse then mien! :) --Elliskev 01:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)Reply


Pro-life celebrities category up for deletion! edit

Hi, I see that you are listed as a Pro-Life Wikipedian, well the Pro-life celebrities category is up for deletion. Category:Pro-life celebrities The abortion zealots don't want anyone to think that any celebrity is actually pro-life. Dwain 23:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Watch Novus Ordo Missae edit

U2BA is spamming again, and denying false statements she made... how can we get her banned? This is getting ridiculous. JG of Borg 21:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

No matter, as over winter break I'll have plenty of time to search for and remove (or at least modify the titles of the links to) her spam. JG of Borg 21:23, 16 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

BTW, I think she violated the 3RR, but I'm not sure. When you get back, please check. JG of Borg 21:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Meatpuppet alert! edit

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Dominick&curid=3406103&diff=31677002&oldid=31656948

She never ceases... JG of Borg 00:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Look at that... two of them now! I wonder how many she will register. JG of Borg 01:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)Reply


Look at these links:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=804044&highlight=wikipedia

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=503586&highlight=wikipedia

Gives you some perspective on this whole thing. JG of Borg 05:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Pro-life edit

The Pro-Life organization Student LifeNet is up for deletion. If you would like to contribute to the discussion in progress you are more than welcome to do so. Chooserr 17:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Take a look at Rosary edit

I think a good compromise has been reached. JG of Borg 21:46, 18 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Ok, you two can fight about that article, I give up on it. JG of Borg 01:12, 19 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Get Well Soon! edit

I hope you get better. Christmas is no time to be getting sick, I will pray for your speedy recovery! JG of Borg 16:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Catholics for a Free Choice edit

See my note at User_talk:Cffc JG of Borg 22:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Contraceptive patch edit

Sean Black has removed an informative section from the Contraceptive patch article describing a law suit which is currently taking place and some of the risks involved in using such barbaric devices. Since you are listed as Pro-Life I was wondering if you might restore the original version, for I don't personally want to get baited into a 3rvt ban. Thank you, Chooserr 07:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

RfC edit

  • [1] is the link data for kensmen.com
  • [2] is the link data for fisheaters.com

It certainly looks to me as if Wikipedia is a major source of both inbound links and site traffic for these two domains. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 09:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

I have just linked 45 linkspammed articles on the Talk page. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 14:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Oh dear oh dear. I think that's spam, not fish, they are eating over there... - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 03:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Spam edit

If it interests you, take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam. Generally speaking, I use this rule of thumb for external links: it should be included only if it confers an "intrinsic" value to the article. That is to say, the link should be particularily significant and scholarly. If someone things they should include 10+ links to it, they might as well write an article about the site instead! If you want to talk more about this, feel free to send me an e-mail. I wasn't too sure what you meant exactly by your post on my talk page - I'd be more than happy to help you out if you like. Anyway, see you around! (And thanks for your note on my talk page - it's always nice to know other Wikipedians appreciate your edits!) :D --HappyCamper 04:05, 21 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Fisheaters edit

Just a heads-up, the links are being reinserted by another anon. I have left comments on the Talk pages.

why don't you like fisheaters? StThomasMore 03:01, 29 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Request for Arbitration edit

I am putting in a request for arbitration about the Dominick vs. Used2BAnoymous matter. (unsigned User:152.163.100.10 probably User:Used2BAnoymous)

I begged you to do just that before. After you started with the childish dueling RfC and treating it like a Supreme Court Case. It comes down to the rules. At this point, you look like you will do whatever is needed to twist wikipedia to an exclusive PoV, and that your domain is driven by traffic originating here. I made my goals clear in the RfC. A few people got the idea. I wish it didn't denegrate into a snipping war where all you can say is that I hate traditionalists. In that framework, there is no way people are going to listen. Dominick (TALK) 13:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Fisheaters links edit

Hi Dominick. Can you let the "fisheaters" keep a couple links while the debate goes on, like perhaps one on the Traditionalist Catholic page, and maybe one on Catholicism? I think it would show good faith, and help towards resolving the issue. If they see you stand down from "delete everything" perhaps it will be easier to get them to stand down from "post to every page possible".--Srleffler 14:54, 22 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

weather you are a Trad or a neo-Catholic, you must admit that fisheaters is one of the best Catholic sites on the web and I don't know why you dislike it so.

WP:RPA edit

Hey, be careful, and reread WP:RPA. When you remove a personal attack, you need to be careful to remove just the attack, and otherwise leave the context of the post intact. It is generally better if you let someone else remove personal attacks against you, since another editor will have a clearer head.--Srleffler 17:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

By the way, Malachias may not have been trying to attack you there. He seems to have copied that post in to make the point that he was trying to discourage users on the fisheaters site from inappropriate behavior here. He may have missed the fact that he was copying an attack into this forum. Hanlon's Razor may apply.--Srleffler 17:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

CAoW edit

Since you are listed as a Roman Catholic, I figured I'd send you this. Wikipedia:Catholic Alliance of wikipedia has been nominated for Deletion. Please vote and/or tell other people to vote to keep this organization on wikipedia. --Shanedidona 01:34, 25 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

YOU KNOW NOTHING! edit

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TRADITIONAL CATHOLICISM, SO LEAVE THE EDITING OF THE TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC PAGE UP TO TRADS LIKE MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND STOP TAKING OUT THE FISHEATERS LINKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hogan! Dominick (TALK) 01:51, 28 December 2005 (UTC)Reply
Normally I would appeciate a friend removing a personal attack but this one has a lot of exclamation points...Dominick (TALK) 12:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)Reply
I didn't even sign my name. How on earth did you get ahold of it?StThomasMore 03:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Why? edit

Dominik, why do you keep deleting the links to the Fisheaters site. It is an excellent site that has a large amount of information. You are making wikipedia a worse place by deleting the links

sincerely,
StThomasMore 04:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)Reply
The answer is all over the place. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 19:48, 30 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Please continue removing linkspam. JG of Borg 16:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Fisheaters edit

I think things are getting a bit heated. Perhaps we should simply redirect any allegations of incorrect action against you back to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Dominick; I think if you simply answer that complaints should be directed there and leave it at that, escalation may cease.

In the mean time, as you know, I fully support your removal of fisheaters links for the reasons discussed at User:Just zis Guy, you know?/Fisheaters and elsewhere. I believe that the site has forfeited whatever goodwill it might reasonably have expected in the short term, regardless of apparent good faith - and indeed passionate sincerity - on the part of editors adding it (which I have no reason to doubt).

Once the RfCs are over and the dust has settled, I guess a debate re individual links and articles can take place, but while there are active RfCs essentially weighing up the appropriateness of reverting these links, it makes sense to me to work by what appears to me to be the consensus view that fisheaters links are being spammed, and should be reverted on sight, as you (and I and others) have been. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 19:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)Reply

Penis edit

Because you list yourself as Catholic I thought I would inform you of a particularly offensive image on the Penis page, or the subject in question. It shouldn't belong here, and the diagram is enough for me. If you feel the same please remove it, or help fight the case on the talk page. Chooserr 05:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sorry edit

Sorry Dominic I'll stop messing around. I was really only trying to find out if the encyclopedia was any good or if people could change whatever they wanted without unchecked. I'll stop messing about ok143.239.7.2 18:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

So am I forgiven??143.239.7.2 18:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Catholics for a Free Choice edit

Hi - I have been following the edits on this page and trying to make sure it reflects NPOV. I saw that you reverted with an edit summary of "rv blanking - try talk?" But the edits you reverted were not a blanking. . .they were a description of the organization's mission that I considered more balanced than the version you reverted to. I'm going to revert back and put a note on the talk page for us to follow up with other editors. Thanks! TMS63112 16:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

There is a proposal on WP:SFD to delete the following

Your comments would be welcome. FearÉIREANN \(caint) 21:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

An Invitation edit

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Christianity

The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP:X as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

 

A.J.A. 03:04, 10 January 2006 (UTC)Reply