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4Kids' dub was official, but they never produced the show, so 4Kids' sentences don't make any sense to include with the actual producers of the show. In case you didn't know, after Nickelodeon/Viacom became the co-owner of the Rainbow Studio in Italy, Nickelodeon co-produced the new episodes from their own American studio with their own financing, musicians, and writers (not just dubbed). So whatever language version you watch, you're watching what Nickelodeon produced. The reason why 4Kids only gets a few sentences is because they didn't produce the show at all, they just dubbed over the original producers' work, which is what every different language version did. We don't even mention most of the other language dubs. So 4Kids just dubbing over the old episodes doesn't necessitate as much detail on the page. 2600:1000:B04A:3981:64C5:AE0B:D6FF:836C (talk) 22:33, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

You're incorrect in some aspects. 4Kids ALSO produced their own content such as their own music scores and even edited content and made several name changes to characters, spells, and locations, etc. they also have their own script changes, and they even have an episode they made that's retelling some events that happened over a season which I believe is at the end of Season 1. If you know anything about 4Kids, you'd know they go about their way to make foreign shows their own and make a whole lot of changes. I suggest you do your research to know this because it isn't as simple as them just hiring people to dub over work from the original version and that's it. If you're gonna credit Nickelodeon doing so much for the show which is why they get better credited mention remarks here, then the same should be said for 4Kids. The point still stands that the 4Kids version was the marketed version for the AMERICAN MARKET prior to Nickelodeon so there is no need to remove them entirely as an important dubbing company for the show just because they didn't have whatever spectacular production ties that you feel suited to make a big deal out of. As I've proven, 4Kids produced quite a lot of their own content and elements into the show that you should be aware of. And no, 4Kids doesn't even have a few sentences, there is NO MENTION OF THEM AT ALL in the article. - DevonteHuntley (talk) 22:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

4Kids is mentioned in the Broadcast section. It doesn’t matter how they made their own stuff based on the show, because they didn’t produce the actual show, and LOTS of dubs made original content for the show (the German dub made a completely original theme song called Heller Als Licht). It was just a dub and not the original show.

I’m not trying to make a big deal out of the actual production team (Rainbow and Nickelodeon), it’s just that those are the people responsible for making the show and not just dubbing... When you listen to the Italian version of the new seasons for example, you’re watching what Nickelodeon wrote. Viacom (Nickelodeon) is also credited as the joint owner of the show's copyright in the credits of their episodes too... The property's owner is more relevant than a dubbing company that never owned the show’s copyright or wrote for the actual show... I like the original stuff that the German dub made for the show, but I know it’s not more important than the owners and producers of the whole show. 2600:1000:B015:8391:785D:28E:FE25:8280 (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I see the mention. I still think it's pitiful that's the only mention and it's basically a hit and miss, but better than nothing. Not sure how much original content the German dub made, but I'm sure 4Kids' amounts are very significant and again, it was a very popular dub and it's sad to not see it recognized as it's been on this page for years before this decision to now render it non-existent. But whatever, it is what it is. But now I want to get onto the gist of Nick's "ownership" of the show. So the Italian version is going off of what NICK wrote? Aren't they the creators and Nick is simply dubbing their content? How are they writing scripts for the country that created the show I assume have been still producing it this whole time? - DevonteHuntley (talk) 19:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Nickelodeon/Viacom worked together with the Italians to create the newer seasons of the show (starting with Season 5), and Viacom is listed in the end credits as the copyright owner of those seasons, so Nickelodeon wasn't just dubbing. This was because Viacom (the company that owns Nickelodeon) became a co-owner of the original Italian studio (Rainbow S.r.l.) and turned the whole show into an Italian-American co-production. So every version of Seasons 5 onward (including the Italian version) worked off of the scripts that were written by Nickelodeon's writers. 2600:1000:B007:2907:B045:9A43:7867:F33F (talk) 03:10, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

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