Davidbaggaley

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Re: your question on Category talk:Metalworking occupations

A Category page is not an editable list. The way that articles get onto that page is by having a category tag (ie. Category:Metalworking occupations) on the bottom of the page. It can be a little bit confusing, take a look at WP:CAT. You might start editing with an article like Silversmith. Dina 19:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

New Articles

Hello sir and welcome to Wikipedia, I wanted to make a few observations on your new articles. First, if the Handforged Spoons & Forks article is to be an exact duplicate word for word, of the Handforged article, it would be best to make it what is called a 'redirect', simply a page which has a link referring the user on to the other page when you type in the name of the first one. However, if I'm not mistaken, "hand forging" is actually a more generic term and many other items are "hand forged" besides flatware, right? If so, then the Handforged article needs to be a seperate article in its own right referring to the more generic hand forging metal working crafts. Just a few suggestions for what they are worth. Wikidenizen 20:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Handforged flatware

An editor has nominated Handforged flatware, an article on which you have worked or that you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not"). Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Handforged flatware and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Thank you. Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. Jayden54Bot 18:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Comments re Handforged Flatware

(I'm only commenting on Handforged flatware, although it goes equally for Handforged Spoons & Forks.)

At the moment, the article as it stands is deletable by Wikipedia standards because it doesn't pass the primary Wikipedia test of "multiple independent non-trivial sources" (see WP:N for a full explanation). While this rule is frustrating, it's necessary to stop Wikipedia being cluttered up with articles on people's pet projects and advertising.

The first thing I'd do, if you haven't already, is either cut-and-paste the text from the articles into a word processing document, or onto your user page (you can create a sub-page to your user page by following your username with a slash and the title, eg User:Davidbaggaley/flatware). This means that even if the article as it stands is deleted from mainspace it will still exist and you can re-submit it when it's improved. The advantage of keeping it in user space instead of saving as a word document is that you can play around with formatting to see how it will look in Wikipedia.

What you want the article to do is:

1. Give a brief summary of the history of the process if you have one
2. Explain the process and how it differs from machine production and cast-and-electroplate methods
3. Explain why it's still in use today and give examples of people producing it.

Try to put references in for any information you give; because Wikipedia has a no-original-research rule, you need to demonstrate that the information is also available elsewhere. Don't worry too much about getting the formatting exactly right as someone will, if necessary, follow up and clean it up. See WP:CITE for the "correct" ways to add references.

You might want to have a look at Plated ware, which is a similar short article that does meet Wikipedia criteria.

I'd strongly suggest merging the two articles into sections of a single article on Handforged ware, which would both be easier to read than multiple stub articles and would allow people to compare the differences between flatware, plate, cutlery etc.

Once the article's ready, add the following at the very bottom; this will automatically add it to the appropriate lists so people with an interest will be able to find it more easily:

[[Category:Manufacturing]]

[[Category:Metals processes]]

[[Category:Metalworking]]

[[Category:Metalworking terminology]]

If the 'finished' article is shorter than you'd like it to be, add {{metalworking-stub}} to the bottom of the article; this will tag it for expansion by other people with an interest in the subject.

Hope this helps... If the article does get deleted, don't take it as a personal insult; it won't be a criticism of you or of the article, but just on the fact that the article isn't meeting Wikipedia guidelines. If you have any comments, don't hesitate to ask. You may also want to visit WikiProject Metalworking, and post a message on their discussion page to see if anyone else is in a position to assist with writing & expanding the article. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 11:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Another welcome

I wanted to second the great comment above as well as add the following: experts in any field, such as you are in yours, are highly valued here at Wikipedia. Your contributions are needed, particularly in your area of expertise, which has many articles that could use expansion. Please feel free to ask me, or any of the other folks around if you have any questions about guidelines, formatting, etc. Those of us who have more experience with the ins and outs of Wikipedia will happily help you expand articles on subjects about which you have a great deal to contribute. But keep at it! We need your help! Cheers. Dina 20:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Third welcome

Hi there,

I voted to delete your article but agree with the above comments welcoming you. If you can find outside references on handforged flatware I would be glad to help you write an article that would pass AfD. If the article is deleted it can be recreated later when references are found. You can contact me here or on my talk page. As mentioned above, experts such as yourself are needed here and there are many articles that could use your input.--killing sparrows 06:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Terminology in Spoon

It took a while, but I finally tracked down the addition of the machine-made spoon process to you. When you introduced this material, you used two terms: fash and lynisher. These terms are not well-known outside of the metal machining world (I could not find a definition for either of them in either Wiktionary or Merriam-Webster). Could you please update this material using more common place terms. Alternately, you could provide entries at Wiktionary, and then link these words to those dictionary entries. This would go a long way toward clearing up this somewhat confusing jargon. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)