User talk:Danger/Archive 1

HI !!!! ;)

I found a page on a book i read and realized it was a stub. How did i do on this page so far? A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 15:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Pretty good, although obviously the article needs expansion. Watch your tone; remember that this is an encyclopedia. Not that we have to be stiff in our writing, but if you can't imagine an accountant saying it, it probably shouldn't go into Wikipedia. Check out WikiProject Novels for tips. Here is a template for novel articles. All in all, good contribution. I'll give more specific feedback later, but I'm in school right now. *sigh* The work of a student never ends, you know? --Gimme danger (talk) 17:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Red Links

Okay, just wondering. Thanks! A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 16:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Review: Code of Conduct

Thanks for your review of the article Code_of_Conduct_(affiliate_marketing) and comments at Talk:Code_of_Conduct_(affiliate_marketing). I left you a comment there, but figured that you are probably very busy and decided to leave you a note at your talk page as well. I re-worked the whole article and incorporated all the suggestions and recommendation that you made. Please have a look at it now and let me know what you think. You might want to re-evaluate your assessment and grand GA status to the article now. Thanks and Cheers! --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 09:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

???How do you do this???

Hey, you know how you can click on a link and it will take you to a certain spot on a page instead of at the beginning of the article? Like on the Naruto page, if you click on Team 7 on that little box on the side of the page and it brings you straight to the part about Team 7. How do you make those links? A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

You add a # and the section name. For example, a link to this section of this page will look like [[User talk:Gimme danger#???How do you do this???|link]] and operate like this: link Contact me again if you have any more questions. It's good to hear from you! --Gimme danger (talk) 23:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, I can do something! Whoo-hoo! (not good w/computers) A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 20:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Chuck Ortmann

I noticed that you rated the Ortmann article as "Start" class today in the course of rating a number of Wisconsin articles. If you have a minute, I'd appreciate your giving the article a second look. It has in-line citation to ten different sources, an info-box, photograph, and fairly full coverage of his life. It struck me that "Start" was fairly low for this article, and if you have a few minutes to take a second look, I'd appreciate it.Cbl62 (talk) 01:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

You're right. I suppose I didn't take as close a look as I ought to have. Thanks for catching my mistake. --Gimme danger (talk) 01:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to re-check.Cbl62 (talk) 01:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

I'm confused on whether or not some pics would be free-use images. If I would scan in a picture out of a manga book and put it on the article for that manga, would that be fair use? A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 16:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I really don't understand image policy here. Sorry that I can't help you more. Try WP:FAIR. --Gimme danger (talk) 08:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I think I found an answer here. Just to make sure I've got this straight, I would be allowed to scan in like a page or a few panels, but not too much because the reader wouldn't have to actually go get the comic/manga/whatever and read it, right? A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 16:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I really can't help you here. I have no clue. Ask a question over at WPComics and they'll be able to help you out. I think that what you're talking about would be okay, but I'm not sure. --Gimme danger (talk) 21:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Shinobi Life

I saw this manga on the wikiproject:anime and manga page on a list of requested articles, so I looked it up and started an article about it. Next day, I saw that it was already suggested to be deleted. I understand why people would want to delete it, since it's so short and doesn't cite any references yet. But I have a question: If I put a link to at the bottom of the article, which is where I read it, would that be considered a reference? It is where I got the information, but I don't know if it would count or not. Thanks. A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 15:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Generally, no, that wouldn't count as a reference. In order to beat back notability questions, you'll have to find third party sources of information, like an extended review in a magazine or something like that. I'd suggest looking at any featured articles on project anime and seeing what kind of sources that they cite. Hope that's helpful. Good luck with the article. --Gimme danger (talk) 23:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Looked at the featured articles, and my article is sooooooooo dead. I can keep looking for sources like that (which i probably will, since it will probably bug me to death if i don't), but by the time I find some good ones, somebody's probably going to delete the article. (**ughh**) Oh, well. I'm gonna look for some good sources, and a million years from now, I'll completely redo the article. Anyway, thanks. A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 15:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I would suggest that you make a copy of your article in your userspace. When it's more finished, you can upload it to article space. If you need help with that let me know. --Gimme danger (talk) 16:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I remember reading something about how to do that somewhere, but I just kinda skimmed through it at the time, and I have no clue where it was. Sounds like a good idea, though. How do you do that? A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 15:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

A subpage is a page of the form [[Page/Subpage]]. To create a subpage from your user page, insert [[/NameOfSubpage]] on your user page. This will make a redlink which you can follow to create your new subpage. For example: [[/Example|Example]] yields: Example. --Gimme danger (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it worked! Thank you!

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A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 15:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

New! BCAD drive from Milhist

Can I invite you to particpate in our new assessment drive? It's strictly for experienced wiki-gnomes and has a degree of friendly competition built-in. It involves re-evaluating around 3500 Milhist B-Class articles to ensure they match our new criteria. As ever, we're offering a range of awards as our way of expressing our thanks. The drive doesn't start until 18:00 (UTC) on March 10 but you can sign up in advance here. It would be great if you can spare the time, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 05:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

One Stripe (200 articles) Two Stripes (400 articles) Three Stripes (600 articles) Chevrons (1000 articles) Golden Wiki First place

Apologies

I must have overlooked something then, maybe you could point me in the right direction, isn't the game page "advertising" the game or... I was just referencing as to where I got the information. SSJNinjaMonkey (talk) 04:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, got a little trigger happy. I was mostly offended by the direct insertion of a link, so I've changed that into a reference. No time to do more. Good luck with editing and welcome to Wikipedia!--Gimme danger (talk) 05:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the revert. These sockpuppet IPs are getting a little too silly. :P -WarthogDemon 02:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Rightback at ya. :-D --Gimme danger (talk) 02:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Your warning to 71.135.165.181

About this warning: If you're going to do vandalism patrol, make sure a user has in fact committed vandalism before reverting or warning them. Templates X1-9 are sandboxes, as you would have seen if you'd bothered to look at it before reverting, and the IP was certainly testing in very good faith indeed, with no irony implied. Please don't bother people for editing these templates again. -- Zsero (talk) 05:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks from Fleet Captain

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. FleetCaptain (talk) 19:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Enjoy Wikipedia!--Gimme danger (talk) 19:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my talk page. swaq 18:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Gimme danger (talk) 18:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for checking up on me

Funny thing is I was wondering if you'd noticed and dropped me. Meat-space is keeping me busy.

Yes, I've mainly done minor refinements, but I still plan on helping out Santeria.

Rhesusmonkeyboy (talk) 17:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh goodness, no. I didn't even think of that. I just wanted space for more userboxes and thought that moving my adoptee boxes to a new page would be a good way to free it up. Meat-space ought to be keeping me busy as well, though I'm very good at letting wikipedia interfere with that. :-) I'll check up on you occasionally and feel free to drop me a line. I just wanted to know that you've remained adhered to the face of the earth. --Gimme danger (talk) 17:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Zui_Quan#Third_Opinion_re:_Rock_Lee

Your Third Opininon is being ignored. --MahaPanta (talk) 08:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Should I continue to uphold your Third Opinion? I don't want to violate the 3RR. --MahaPanta (talk) 04:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

shinobi life

Yeah, sounds good to me! :-] Now I have to go find sources + references. Google hates me, but it's still a good way to kill this study hall. (**grumble, grumble, you get a spring break and i don't, grumble, grumble**) Anyway, thanks + catch you later! A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 15:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, awesome. So first off, let's get a few references. Find one or two places where Shinobi Life is described in third party sources and put them up on your draft. Make sure that they are reliable sources. For ideas on where to look for sources, check out the featured articles in WikiProject Anime. Remember that print sources are just as good, if not better, than online sources, so if you have some manga-related magazines sitting around with reviews and stuff, those are good sources too. Let me know when you've gotten that done. Good luck!--Gimme danger (talk) 21:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

Hey, GD, I don't know if you remember me or not, but I'm back. ^_^ I'm your wayward adoptee, FYI. Sorry about vanishing like that for...how long was it again? I am prone to do that on occasion. Should have mentioned that earlier. Oops. *blush* Ah well, I'm back, and I'm kind of rusty, so expect a whole lot of ridiculous questions in the next few weeks. I'll mostly be working in this place (glad I didn't forget how to link), once I get through all those new rules and junk, if you want to keep an eye on me. ^_^ Best regards, Song (talk) 05:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Woo hoo! 'Course I remember you. I love copyeditors and copyediting. Glad to see that you're back. Bring on the questions; I'm ready for 'em. --Gimme danger (talk) 21:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

re: Adoption

Oh, yes I would, and thank you for offering! (: Have you adopted users in the past? (By the way, I know it says here that you will watch my talk page, but if not... you can always delete this message, right?) [Ashleyy|osaurus] 19:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I've adopted several users so far and have about 6 current adoptees. Only one is an active editor though, so I have time to take on more. I like how my adoptee's questions help me learn more about Wikipedia. So, before we start I have a question for you: What do you want to get out of adoption? What kind of editor do you want to be? (Okay, so that's two questions. Still, I think they're important.) Please reply on my talk page to messages on my talk page and on your talk page to messages left there. (Don't worry about this time, I'm just excited to have the new messages box pop up.) --Gimme danger (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Links to Wikiquote

You know those boxes at the end of some articles that say "Wikiquote has quotes related to whatever" and they have a link to Wikiquote? How do you make those? A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 16:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

For the full monty, go here. I'm not sure which page you want to put a link on. Let me know and I can help in more detail. --Gimme danger (talk) 01:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I saw on the discussion page for Miss Piggy that someone wanted a link to Wikiquote on the article. Now that I know how to make the link, I'm confused on something else. Wikiquote doesn't have a page for Miss Piggy; you have to look under The Muppet Show. So should I just make a link to there, or what? A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

You use the "Bart Simpson" example on the page above, so you'll have a piped link to the section of The Muppet Show's page related to Miss Piggy. Does that help? --Gimme danger (talk) 19:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it worked! Thank you! I feel so accomplished now!  :) A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 16:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Dates

Oh, okay. That totally makes sense. And, thanks. (: [Ashleyy|osaurus] 13:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Livadia palace/ Agvan Dorzhiev

you wrote: "Thanks for experimenting with the page Agvan Dorzhiev on Wikipedia. Your recent edit appears to have added incorrect information, and has been reverted or removed."

The reference which places Livadia Palace in Odessa has a mistake in it. If you read the wikipedia article on Livadia Palace, it states that it's in Crimea. Moreover, I'm actually from Odessa and have seen the palace with my own eyes. I hardly think that someone's mistaken article is enough to contradict that. However, you're welcome to check the references in the Livadia Palace article. I'll leave it to you to revert the edit, I don't really care too much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.97.193.252 (talk) 16:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for correcting this error! Because you did not leave an edit summary, I thought that you were the sort of common vandal who changes factual information as a joke. I apologize for my mistake. In the future, leaving a small note in the edit summary helps other editors understand what you've done. --Gimme danger (talk) 20:02, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome. -Zangqiangren (talk) 06:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you (for the barnstar) and...

..and I am gratified to have made your acquaintance, esp. given our colocation in Chicago (much of the time for me; these words come to you from Cincinnati) and interest in Tibetan culture (I translated and improved the polyandry in Tibet article onto :) the Polish Wikipedia, where it is a Good Article and even was on the main page a few days back. So anywyay, thank you... --14:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

On the main page!? Cool. Perhaps we ought to collaborate. The English articles on Tibet are rather... lacking, to be kind. --Gimme danger (talk) 14:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Let's. Do you read Tibetan? I don't. For starters, I need a source documenting the abo and the long form, trong bey abo used in the polyandry in Tibet article. In the Polish Wiki version I was only able to source it to ...the English Wikipedia, and I also included there the corresponding terms Ben Jiao uses in his 2001 dissertation (Case Western Reserve U.), which I need to add to the English version. --Mareklug ^talk 14:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Currently my reading is very very limited, but by the end of the next academic year I should be fairly fluent. I'm not quite sure how to find the type of source you're looking for; my knowledge is still limited to a few general histories, my travel experience and what I learned in my language class. --Gimme danger (talk) 18:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, but you are local to a fabulous library (Regenstein, been there) and have fluent local Tibetologists hiding on campus, so you could find out by asking... :) --Mareklug ^talk 18:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear, I didn't see this message when it was posted. Indeed, I may or may not hibernate in the Regenstein. Are you looking for descriptions of family life in Tibet? I just don't know enough about researching to be able to find the specific term. --Gimme danger (talk) 13:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank You for accepting my Adoption Request it's kind of funny that I've been a wikipedian for a few years now and I still don't know how to do things like change the look of my signature. I'd like to help out around Wikipedia but I don't know how much I can contribute as wikipedia is normally where I learn everything first, I'm actually mostly active on Wikia and other Wiki's (Star Wars Fanon, Novelas, Halo Fanon, I'm an aspiring Writer) but I will try my best

Thank You, Arkkeeper (talk) 14:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

(by the way, I'm a Sixteen-year old Homeschooler with Severe ADHD so that might effect my work negatively but don't worry I act older online, comes from having to slowly write out everything and therefore thinking about what I'm writing.)

Hmm... I've never wanted to change the look of my sig, so I've never done it. I'll figure that out though. Don't worry about how much you can contribute. There's plenty to do around here and a lot of it doesn't require concentration or expertise, just someone to actually do it. I also have mental health issues, so I'm sympathetic; just do what you can and I'll promise to do the same :-D. First, a question. What do you want to get out of this adoption process? Do you want to learn technical editing skills? Conflict resolution? Just have a guide? Let me know, and we'll figure out where to go from there. Cheers, Gimme danger (talk) 18:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Just to learn more about how to do anything on wikipedia really. the sig thing was just an example (and because on the wiki's I kinda look like a newb lol) of how I don't know stuff. I know theres sorta lessons somewhere, I can't remember where I think someone user page but it's where I learned about adoption I'll have to try and find it again. so you probably shouldnt expect to read much from me as I am really busy with school and the free time I have I spend alot of playing video games (surprisingly high-octane games like Gear of War and Halo can be very calming and they help wind me down. helps with the ADHD. Besides the stories are superb.) but I'm trying to spend more time online now that I have my own laptop. So I'll let you know if I need assistance or anything like that. Arkkeeper (talk) 20:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It's weird what helps sometimes, isn't it? I've been thinking about it, and maybe starting out with video games or anime isn't the best idea for two reasons. First, it's hard to start there; the projects are a mix of very high quality articles and very very low quality articles. If you're just starting out, taking on a mess of near gibberish can be daunting, but jumping in where experienced editors have put in a lot of time and effort will probably get you bitten. The other problem is with verifiability and notability issues. It's hard to find reliable sources about characters, or video games or anything new, and there's a lot of non-reliable things out there to confuse you. Starting with a historical topic, or something with at least a few dead-tree media pieces on it would probably be the best way to get into substantive editing. Maybe something that you're studying right now is especially interesting to you and you could improve an article related to that. I'm not sure how your homeschool program works, but maybe you could spin article-writing as homework ;-). Is there a topic you can think of that you'd want to investigate?

(Full disclosure: The slant of Wikipedia towards popular culture bothers me a lot, if only because it makes the project look bad in the public eye. We have an excellent collection of articles about adult movie actors, but check out Socrates. I'm an eventualist], so I appreciate articles about popular culture as well. It's not an elitist thing, it's a concern for the reputation of Wikipedia. That and concern that people who use wikipedia as an academic reference are somewhat more likely to be searching for Socrates than Jenna Jameson.)

But Jenna Jameson is hawt!Szfski (talk) 16:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Editing tip no. 1: Using colons allows you to indent your comments on talk pages in order to make threads. For an example, click on the edit link above this section. Gimme danger (talk) 21:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I figured out the colon thing I just thought that it would be cleaner to have my comments unindented and yours indented or something. So thats of course a good point and my parents agree about the homeschooling thing and I think I can convince them that the article itself is an acceptable form of ?write-up? (Because I can't just do research or whatever I have to write it up, write about what I learned. an essay thats the word. I don't get it I think the fact that I can call up the stuff in my head is good enough but then unfortunately our culture doesn't practice Greek Education. But Yeah I get what you're saying, I actually don't specifically edit and use wikipedia for academic purposes, it's really just a strong interest in the idea of free knowledge and love of wikipedia. so you know mostly anything I do is going to be during my free time. I just like to be able to edit wikipedia because I like to be able to add knowledge I have that others don't or see a grammar error and correct it so I'm probably going to be a really casual user and editor.Arkkeeper (talk) 21:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... in that case perhaps we ought to go the hands-off route. I'll just keep an eye out for you. If you have any questions, or want to start a substantive project, leave a note here and I'll help you out. Gimme danger (talk) 23:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

Yay! Thanks! It's only fair to warn you though: I'm stupid with computers, so expect some really stupid questions. Anyway, thanks a lot for adopting me. I kinda got into some trouble earlier for misusing talk pages, so I'm glad someone's finally there to tell me I screwed up without having to panic about someone banning me. Thank you!!!

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Ichliebezuko (talk) 16:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. So, where shall we start? What kind of editing are you interested in doing? I see that you've edited several anime-related pages. Perhaps you'd enjoy working with the Anime and manga WikiProject. Let me know and we'll go from there. --Gimme danger (talk) 18:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Count Me In. I guess I should make a list of Anime's I watch on my User Page, note as a homeschooled, barely scratch by, U.S.American I can only watch and know so much Arkkeeper (talk) 20:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Appreciate the welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CenterofGravity (talk • contribs) 08:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

thanks for removing the Political Debate section

LB, started that idiotic debate and ran with it. Thanks for removing it. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 23:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. I just want to improve coverage of Tibet on Wikipedia, not debate politics. --Gimme danger (talk) 23:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Concern

I'm concerned about your asking Littlebutterfly to help you improve the History of Tibet article to Good Article status. I think that is beyond Littlebutterfly's capability.

Littlebutterfly's research skills are poor.

On the History of Tibet article previously, he (or she) kept rewriting cited information, putting words into the mouths of historians such as Schirokauer that they never said.

In addition, Littlebutterfly wrongfully accused me in the PLA invasion article of using self-published sources. She (or he) never checked to see to see if this were true. Once proved wrong, she continued to persist. I will be a good source to improve the article as I read Tibetan and am researching Tibetan history as we speak. Longchenpa (talk) 00:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

While I appreciate your concerns, I believe strongly that anyone can be an asset to the Wikipedia community. Littlebutterfly may have been confrontational or just wrong in the past, but I see no indication that ze is not acting in good faith. You and I both have the advantage of higher education in this particular topic; others have to develop research skills over time. Littlebutterfly may not be able to contribute well to articles ze feels passionately about; goodness knows that we all have our biases. But I saw that ze is interested in Tibet, and thought that perhaps working to improve further removed parts of that article would be a way for hir to contribute to that area of interest without the temptation of POV-wars. But enough about that; I don't particularly enjoy talking about other users.

Ooh, you read Tibetan! I can barely read my alphabet books so far; I have such difficulty learning languages. Hopefully by the end of the next academic year I'll be able to read enough to be a more useful contributor with Tibetan sources. The University of Chicago libraries has this enormous tempting collection of thousands of pechas and I love to walk through the stacks and look at them. I can't read them yet, but someday!

I would really enjoy collaborating with you. I've noticed you "around" and thought that you were a particularly coolheaded and conscientious editor. I have (not so) secret aspirations of making Wikiproject Tibet a functioning being, or at least improving a few of its articles to good or featured status. Do you have any articles that you're especially interested in? I'm open to learning about anything, but I really want to have some help. (I have near impossible trouble deciding which article to edit. How does one decide between 2 million options!)

Cheers, Gimme danger (talk) 01:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You are optimistic. I appreciate that. I hadn't considered the possibility that Littlebutterfly might be lacking training. She/he (ze?) has bullied and antagonized several editors of late so my trust has worn thin.

I'm peering over the Tibetan resistance movement article and have been hovering around the History of Tibet article with interest, making minor changes. I'm reading Beckwith as well as Bu-sTon's history of Tibetan Buddhism (Obermiller's translation), and I have Kapstein, and Ron Davidson's work on the Tibetan Renaissance (9th-11th century). I'm looking forward to reading them. Still trying to track down a copy of the White Annals. My Tibetan is good enough to get me through a puja, but not at the level where I can do historical research (historical Tibetan is hard). I'm rusty at this point. I studied Tibetan at the monastery in southern India, but my university only offers Sanskrit. So I'm in first year Sanskrit until I can locate a university Tibetan program.

Working on the modern Tibetan articles is my way of helping the Tibetans. I can't do anything to stop what's happening there but at least I can help people understand why. Longchenpa (talk) 08:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Everything Longchenpa said is completely accurate. Ze, LB, is not content with anything that goes again his views, and his views are the same as Chinese Communist Party's propagandist views. He is not to be trusted on anything Tibetan. The CCP's views never should be considered NPOV. Everything, ze edits is attempts to make Wikipedia CCP propaganda-friendly. Please don't buy into him. Editing CCP views into Wikipedia, should never be thought of as editing in good faith Thegreyanomaly (talk) 02:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I must respectfully disagree that "The CCP's views never should be considered NPOV." I think our duty, with respect to the Tibet issue and other controversies, is to present both sides with approximately the same weight a is present in the actual world. So, something along the lines of: "The CCP says X. Everyone else and their mother says Y." The readers can decide for themselves what they want to believe. So, for example, PRC census data should be presented as exactly that, from the PRC. Writing about it doesn't imply that we agree. This is how I interpret WP:NPOV, having just reviewed it. At the present moment, Tibet related articles are generally skewed, either toward the PRC side or toward the everybody else side. So it is our job as editors to present both sides, as neutrally as possible. This may even include adding PRC views to articles where they are not present, as distasteful as that is. I don't mean to preach; I'm just frustrated.

With regards to LB, it will be a lot easier to do what we all want — to create quality articles — if we frame this as a collaboration rather than a battle. It may be true that LB does nothing but spout PRC propaganda; that's great. We need the PRC view to be represented. But we also need the Tibetan view presented, which will be excruciatingly difficult if pro-PRC editors feel under attack. At this point, getting a balance will require either mass banning of persons on both sides or a reconciliation and I'm positive that the former will not happen.

For a particularly lovely (in a certain way) example of neutral coverage of a controversial topic, see Abortion. --Gimme danger (talk) 03:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

On a related matter, I've asked that the mass deletion of uncited material in the History of Tibet article be postponed until after the Beijing olympics. Because so many Tibet articles are embroiled in controversy (due to the unrest in Tibet) progress is slow in achieving consensus on even minor changes. The Tibet editors are spread too thin. Good material could easily be removed just because the Tibet editors are struggling on so many different articles all at once and don't have time to address it. Longchenpa (talk) 16:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Knaus, LB does not get to deploy the strategy she used before, dictating the sources used and how many. I will not accept that. You're coming into this late, and so you do not know that LB demanded -- one after another -- ten sources for the word "invasion." And was fully prepared to make it an infinite number, defining anything other than "all" as "some."

Now she is attempting to dictate the sources that can and cannot be used. That is completely unacceptable. You are being tricked. She's trying to include Conboy (her source) and exclude Knaus (the source I provided), when they both address the same issue. Knaus interviewed the Tibetans. Conboy did not. Excluding Knaus excludes the Tibetans. We can provide more sources for the atrocities, but do not play into this game. You are bending over backwards to be cooperative and to sooth her, and I appreciate your motive, but I am not going to accept any editor playing little dictator on the sources. I'm willing to bet that Thegreyanomaly and Yunfeng won't either.

One editor never gets to pick the sources of another so long as they are credible. Or else I would have Goldstein out of there in a heartbeat. Longchenpa (talk) 16:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

History of Tibet article

I'm glad to see you welcoming new members to the Tibet project. I would feel more comfortable with your invitations if I could see you inviting any of the long term Tibet editors at all. Longchenpa (talk) 17:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I apologize; I suppose I thought that the invitation was assumed. I'll come up with a message today and invite all the Tibet editors individually. --Gimme danger (talk) 17:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah. As you've noticed, I've already done so. Longchenpa (talk) 17:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you again! There are rumblings at WP:BUDDHISM about sub-projects on Tibetan Buddhism, which m ay provide the influx of collaborators that WP:TIBET needs to get going again.--Gimme danger (talk) 17:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Reception, Conception...?

Whoo-hoo! Already confused! That didn't take long. Anyway, I just want to make sure I have the right idea here. Character conception sections are about how the characters were created, what they're based on, etc, while reception sections are about stuff like comments from different polls, magazines, so on. Is this right? Ichliebezuko (talk) 14:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. --Gimme danger (talk) 17:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

Thanks so very much for your adoption offer. I would be more than happy to accept. I can't wait! Check out my page for some of my interests. Thanks!

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Cameron K. (talk) 15:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi! So, my first question is: what do you want to do here on Wikipedia? Do you want to write articles about a particular topic? Do you want to do behind the scenes things like categorization? Let me know and we'll figure out where to go from there. --Gimme danger (talk) 21:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I am very interested in articles concerning panic attacks, and would like to contribute by writing/editing them. I would also like to poke around in the backlogs. I really hope to do some good things here. Thanks! Cameron K. (talk) 15:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Well, why don't we start with a simple article cleanup. Panic attack is an article with several problems. Probably the easiest to deal with is an overabundance of lists. Perhaps you could read the page on embedded lists and try to convert the symptoms section to prose. Remember while you're doing this that Wikipedia articles should be written in a formal tone, and should therefore not use the second person ("you") except in direct quotations. For more information about editing guidelines, see WP:MOS, the manual of style. Gimme danger (talk) 15:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Question: I want to merge 'Purple Drank' into the 'Recreational Uses' section of 'Codeine'. I'm going to follow Wikipedia Policy and BE BOLD and go ahead and merge it. So, should I delete the Purple Drank page after merging it into Codeine? If not, what should I do? Cameron K. (talk) 19:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

You should turn it into a redirect to Codeine. Gimme danger (talk) 21:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Fearing an edit war - request for help

Hi Gimme danger, I have just seen the revert of you on the New Kadampa Tradition article. I have a similar problem with the Dorje Shugden article. There came a group of new editors who made substantial changes without discussing any of it, omitting verified sources and including sources from anonymous web-pages. I like to ask you to have a look on it, to give your comment or to revert until there is a discussion on the changes at the talk page. You can see from the history how the things developed, that the substantial and radical changes by Helen37 even were reverted by the WPRobot, and that no one of the new editors discussed on the subject matter to come to agreement. Thank you very much for your time and help. I sent a similar message to user:Amerique. --Kt66 (talk) 12:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I have both articles on my watchlist; I'll keep a closer eye on them. --Gimme danger (talk) 13:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I would also suggest that that you engage with the other editors in this dispute. I noticed that you have not, as far as I can tell, contacted Wisdombuddha (talk · contribs) or any of the other involved editors. Gimme danger (talk) 13:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I sent two days ago a welcome and note to Helen37 User talk:Helen37, she did all the changes, and some other friends of her reverted or block a solution until now. As Wisdombuddha (talk · contribs) said on the talk page they came outside of WP(!) to agreement to change the article that way: "Many of these changes were discussed between at least three of the editors. You seem to be the only person who accepted this article as it was." and WisdomBuddha claims further: "If you check you will see that the changes made make this article more neutral and unbiased then it was before previous edits." what is surely not true if you check and see that they omitted from the start of the article all the different (four) views of the subject, including the references. As you can see from the talk page no content was discussed; but hopefully we'll bridge the actual situation into a collaboration. I will send a welcome also to the other new editors and I will also send some notes to former editors. I used your statement as a reason for the revert. Thanks, --Kt66 (talk) 19:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi kt66, why are you inviting 20 people in 10 minutes to this discussion instead of negotiating with the editors? I think you encourage the edit war! --84.167.233.90 (talk) 20:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gimme danger, as you can see from the talk page there was not any discussion on the points, instead one of the new editors wrote: "here is no need to have your single approval for a change when there are many people who regularly edit this article. You are the only editor who supports this revert war to your version of the article. Please note that I did not make the changes but feel they vastly improve the clarity of the article."; that's why I informed other editors of the article which participated in the past, and I left a notice at the Admin notice board, after an editor suggested this. I hope that procedure is correct, someone wrote, I should not Spam editors, I didn't know that. Thanks for your attention, --Kt66 (talk) 20:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I've checked out the situation further and have no desire to deal with this issue. Given your conflict of interest and your reaction to the changes, I'm unconvinced that you are capable of neutral editing. Given that you are a more established editor, it is your responsibility to be patient with newcomers. You also had the option of integrating their additions into the article while readding deleted material. Instead of discussing on the article talk page or with the editors involved, you rounded up a posse to keep you from violating 3RR. And now this is going to an administrator? I'm sorry, I don't have that much patience. Gimme danger (talk) 23:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Tibet page

If I was edit warning, I am sorry. I was trying to come up with a mutually acceptable version. To be fair, why didn’t you also warn Yaan? He reverted many times. --Littlebutterfly (talk) 06:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn't mean to single you out. You were simply the last editor to have reverted at that time. I apologize. --Gimme danger (talk) 15:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

News! Tag & Assess 2008 is coming ...

Milhist's new drive – Tag & Assess 2008 – goes live on April 25 and you are cordially invited to participate. This time, the task is housekeeping. As ever, there are awards galore, plus there's a bit of friendly competition built-in, with a race for bronze, silver and gold wikis! You can sign up, in advance, here. I look forward to seeing you on the drive page! All the best, --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 11:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

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Adoption

Hi. Sorry for the delay in replying. I actually had totally forgot that I had listed myself on that list. Would you be able to point me in the direction of that list so that I might be able to remove my username? Thanks. will381796 (talk) 16:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem about the delay. It's a category, so as long as you've removed the adopt a user userbox from your pages you'll be taken off the list. --Gimme danger (talk) 16:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Smile

Truthsayer62 (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing!
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Gimme danger, thank you for your welcome and sorry for not replying before. Thanks also for the guidelines you posted on my talk page. Take care! --Truthsayer62 (talk) 01:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Gimme danger (talk) 04:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sowwies

Okay. No more vandalism. I promise I'll be good from now on and content myself with writing obscure articles on sociolinguistics and semitic philology instead of telling what we all know is the incontestable, irrefutable, incontrovertible and unconfutable truth: that Luke Skywalker is the son of Oprah Winfrey. *Sob*

The good folk at Uncyclopedia were kind enough to take me in.

Many apologies. Szfski (talk) 06:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Apology accepted. If you need any help, just ask here.--Gimme danger (talk) 07:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

'Ello!... Question! :-)

Hi, how are you? I put an external link onto the article about the Eye of Agamotto, but it just has the web adress with all the http:// crap with it. The links above it are all pretty, but I don't know how to do it like that. Could you tell me how please? Ichliebezuko (talk) 15:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Like this [http://www.somewebsite.com Title of Some Website]. For example, here is the diff of the edit you just made on my talk page. I suggest that you check out WP:EL, our external link policy, before you start adding external links. Standards have to be fairly high for that sort of thing to keep Wikipedia from becoming a repository of links. --Gimme danger (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

A question

As I perused the blogosphere while attempting to procrastinate, I came across a long, extremely critical text on Wikipedia by a poet whom I admire named Dan Schneider.

I'd be curious to know a dedicated Wikipedian's (read: you) response to what Schneider has to say.

Anyways, you can find his article here:

[redacted blacklisted site]

A lot of what he says seems to be true, particularly with respect to edit-wars and stifling true exchange of information. (I'm just lucky semitic philologists aren't an especially bellicose bunch.)

Szfski (talk) 04:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I could say a lot about this. Why don't you stop by sometime before 10pm if you have time and we can discuss. --Gimme danger (talk) 21:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules are kind of scary even to me. Anywho I'll come find ye Szfski (talk) 15:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll be around from 12:30-2:30 and then after 4:30. --Gimme danger (talk) 15:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: HanBoN

Hey, thanks for the invite, but I'll be busy with my exams soon. I will be happy to join the Tibet Wikiproject after my trip there this summer. HanBoN (talk) 20:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the welcome! I've been having fun at Recent Changes so far, but I may get up the nerve to actually contribute soon. FCSundae (talk) 00:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

If you need help getting started you might enjoy the Adopt-a-User program. And I'm open to new adoptees. :-)--Gimme danger (talk) 00:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Cool, I'll check it out. I think I'm going to try to muddle through on my own for a while, though. But thanks for the tip!FCSundae (talk) 00:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, sorry, I do have a question, if you're not too busy. I've been coming across some articles like this one: With Globalization on the Rise, Business Schools and Students Look to Expand Internationally that I think should be speedy deleted, but don't seem to be nonsense, exactly. Is there an appropriate speedy category for this, or should I nominate it for deletion?

Thanks, and, if you're busy, I'll try to figure it out on my own. FCSundae (talk) 00:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Ewww. That one there looks like a copyright violation. If you see something that's not appropriate but doesn't fit under any of the speedy deletion categories, you can put a {{subst:prod|reason}} tag at the top of the page with the reason that the article should be deleted. And if you can find the site that it's copied from, blatant copyright violation is a criterion for speedy delete.

If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask. The only time I don't check Wikipedia is when I'm sleeping, unless you count the dreamwiki that I invariably find myself editing. *sigh* And if you need a quick response, use the {{helpme}} tag too. Cheers. --Gimme danger (talk) 01:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that's what I did! FCSundae (talk) 02:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)