User talk:Certes/Archive 9

Umayyad

We have an article on the Umayyad dynasty and another on the Umayyad Caliphate. I recently turned Umayyads into a dab page (it had redirected to the dynasty) and am slowly fixing links. I left Umayyad (which redirects to the caliphate) alone. I was wondering if, because of your recent typo-fixing, you had an opinion whether the singular term should be dab'd as well. Srnec (talk) 13:43, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

@Srnec: Sorry, I don't know the topic well enough to have an opinion. I only noticed the typo because it came up on WP:Database reports/Linked misspellings due to the misspelt redirect being newly tagged. I don't like creating links to dabs; perhaps I should leave the typos which are links to [redirects to] the dab until a subject expert has done some disambiguation. Certes (talk) 15:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

On reflection, I should probably pause this for now. Fixing everything but the links means editing many articles twice and leaving them with inconsistent spellings for the interim. Certes (talk) 16:09, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I didn't mean to stop you from fixing typos! Srnec (talk) 20:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Possibly off topic, but I spend an inordinate amount of time fixing green links. Every time an editor move an article to what they 'think' is a better title, it creates hundreds of associated redirects and/or wrong entries in dab pages. Is there anything that can be done about it? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kudpung: There are lots of ways to cause chaos by moving articles. Did you have a particular one in mind? Bots will edit incoming redirects, targetting them to the new title to avoid double redirects, but this should either get undone automatically (if the fix redirects the new title to the restored page) or get flagged as an error (if the new title becomes a red target). Certes (talk) 22:55, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm talking about greenlinks. For example, there is one in your post above at done some disambiguation - mouseover will give a popup with the information. Apart from obvious corrections to page names, I see many totally unnecessary page moves all around the site which appear to be done on a whim by people who 'think' their move is a better page title. I don't know how important it is to fix these greenlinks, but it annoys me when I see them and stop to correct them. I would be very happy if what I am doing is not necessary. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:52, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Ah, I see what you mean. Reversing the page move is always an option, as I recently did at 909. If that's not a big enough improvement to be worth bothering with, the green links aren't a problem. For most readers, they are blue and indistinguishable from direct links. "Fixing" them in bulk can even be considered disruptive: see WP:NOTBROKEN. I dealt with several accounts last summer, probably socks of each other, which got blocked because all they did was bypass redirects, sometimes in a way that made the links worse. (Sorry for the slow responses; I'm in the UK and go to bed just when you're most active.) Certes (talk) 10:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I always thought redirects should be avoided, but if there's no harm in the greenlinks I'll stop wasting my time doing it and just ensure that there are no redirectlinks in the articles I write. Like you, I've been around so long that my brain is a huge jumble of rules and MoS and I can't remember what is right and what is wrong or not so good ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:21, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikibreak

It saddens me to see this. I know that a lot of what the foundation does can be disappointing, but I never thought its behaviour should be central to what we as a community do here. Wikipedia is bigger than the WMF, a lot bigger. I like to think of some massive organism that can go on living unperturbed by the small parasites that may be there. Uanfala (talk) 12:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Uanfala: Thank you for the kind words. It's a tough choice, which is why I'm considering retirement rather than simply going. On the one hand, our edits still help the readers who must remain our prime consideration, and I'm proud to play a small part in that achievement. If someone donates to fund WMF salaries and virtue-signalling focus groups, I suppose it's their money and none of my business. On the other hand, Wikipedia has now been invaded by the WMF and, as part of its empire, must by definition be smaller than it. Wikipedia may free itself, either by a community fork or by our founder coming to his senses and firing those paid to drive us in the wrong direction, but not imminently. Our main hope may be that a major news outlet will notice the incongruity of spending $2.5m on hosting and $67m on salaries, then begging readers in developing nations to give urgently to keep our servers running, and shame our overlords into reform for PR reasons. I'll be watching the result of the current election, where an editor-friendly candidate has somehow slipped through the approval process. Certes (talk) 13:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Some actual editors just got elected to the WMF Board of Trustees. Wikipedians are still a long way from regaining control of Wikipedia, but it's a start. Certes (talk) 12:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Misdirected district links

I have produced a subpage at User:Crouch, Swale/Misdirected district links which deals with districts and councils that may have misdirected links which you may be interested in looking at. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:19, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Crouch, Swale: Thanks. I'm not very active at the moment but that page has useful leads for WP:BPAT. I must admit that I've glossed over closely related meanings, such as a book that inspired a film of the same name, where a reader can get back on course by clicking one prominent link on the wrong page. Certes (talk) 17:25, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I posted there a year and a half ago but no one replied. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

That's a shame. We used to have an automated process for detecting links to "Foo bar" and fixing them to "Foo bar", but I don't recall where and I expect the actual fixing had to be human. That would have been useful for "Borough of Blackpool", etc. (WP:WikiProject Disambiguation/Candidates for disambiguation by extending link covers dabs; perhaps that's all we have.) While you're here, I meant to thank you for your good work in evicting obscure articles from ambiguous base names, such as Calves. It's a much better and more permanent solution than mending links. Certes (talk) 17:37, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

In most cases the district should be linked as [[Borough of Blackpool|Blackpool]] such as "X is a suburb of Blackpool, in the Blackpool district, in the ceremonial county of Lancashire, England" as the natural disambiguation that WP:UKDISTRICTS recommends generally doesn't need to be in running text as the OS just uses "Blackpool" for the district but when there is a "Borough of Blackpool" link that often shows an error. I would not be happy with a bot fixing such links as they may actually be correct and linking Foo bar may be incorrect if "bar" is an independent modifier rather than part of the name for example we don't link Mercury planet but rather Mercury planet. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

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Portal:Arizona

Hi Certes: There's some sort of problem with the General images section of the Arizona portal, where images are being listed en masse in that section. I tried to figure out what the problem is, but haven't found a solution. The Template:Transclude files as random slideshow template is working just fine on other portals I have checked out. To remedy this temporarily, I moved the General images section to the end of the portal page. Since I can't figure out how to fix it, perhaps someone with expertise such as yours can. Cheers, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I see the problem but can't find the cause. Removing Culture of Arizona – just a section redirect – seems to fix it. I've substituted Geography of Arizona, which has a couple of nice images and some so-so maps. Please replace this by anything more instructive and/or photogenic that seems relevant. Certes (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the assistance. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

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Bijender dutta

Hi Certes thank you for your guideens. Pardon for my mistakes. Bijender dutta (talk) 11:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Dispenser's tools' source code & licensing

I just noticed Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links#Dabsolver is down. If you're interested, the source code for their tools is at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/sources/. I think there's also some licensing on some of the pages (embeddedincount.py, noreferences.py). — Qwerfjkltalk 20:29, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I've not looked at the licensing but that sounds helpful. I've often thought about creating tools but, in the light of the reception at least one editor received from the paid developers when they tried to be helpful there, I won't be running them on WMF servers. Certes (talk) 20:48, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

WT:DAB comment.

Didn't you make a typo there. Did you mean Vares, not Vares (disambiguation) for the first link in your answer? MB 21:31, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't think so. I'm saying that if Foo redirects to Bar, linking to Foo#Section takes you to Bar#Section, as you'd hope. Certes (talk) 21:34, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I didn't notice that the first sentence said wikilink and the next said redirect. I had zeroed in on the two links and was expecting them to be different. MB 21:37, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Myriad

Thanks for fixing this vandalism on Myriad! It means a lot. bobrayner (talk) 13:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

You're very welcome. The vandal hasn't struck again. Certes (talk) 13:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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math stuff in dark mode

yes, I have trief, but if I use the web version I do not have the option of dark mode like in the app. Still, that would not be a solution, because many people prefer using the app. Altasperlas (talk) 11:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Altasperlas: Dark mode is available in the web version, as long as you are logged in. You can turn on the dark mode gadget by ticking "Dark mode toggle:", which is near the bottom of the Appearances section within Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. That makes a "dark mode" link (or "light mode" if you are in dark mode) appear on each page, top right near your watchlist, contributions, etc. Certes (talk) 11:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Certes finally I worked it out, is something... , but still this do not fix the issue ( or bug) in the app, I think it should be fixed as something that is not working in any app should be fixed,

I imagine that many people is encountering this problem but they do not complain, just give up reading these articles...

thanks for your help anyway Altasperlas (talk) 12:09, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Altasperlas: Some of us think it is unfortunate that the broken app is promoted at the expense of a website which works well. Please don't give up! Have you tried returning to the website in Firefox and using either of the suggestions I made below? Certes (talk) 12:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Certes yes, I could manage to solve the problem in the web version, using the gadget that enables dark mode, still the visual confort is less than in the app, anyway... Altasperlas (talk) 12:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

thanks for your answer, but I have logged in and found no appearance section on my browser, which is Mozilla Firefox,

there is a settings section, but do not solve the problem Altasperlas (talk) 11:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The dark mode gadget is part of Wikipedia, not part of Firefox. You can find it by clicking Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, or by clicking the "Preferences" link at the top right of any Wikipedia page (e.g. this one) in any browser (not the app) then clicking the Gadgets tab. As an alternative, Firefox supports several add-ons such as Dark Reader. You can install that by browsing here. It will affect all websites (except where you turn it off), works even when logged out, and is not supported or endorsed by Wikipedia. Certes (talk) 12:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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User:Whitleyscott1973 is adding filmographies for Australian actresses with lots of incorrect wikilinks. Although DPL Bot is adding automated messages to their talk page, and I tried adding three manual messages to their talk page, they are still adding incorrect links. Can you think of a creative way to educate the user without driving them away? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Also pinging Rodw, as he has been working to fix incorrect links created by this editor as well. GoingBatty (talk) 04:24, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

In similar cases, I've tried leaving a message like this. However, that editor never contributed again, so I may not have been on the right track. They don't seem to be on mobile app, so should see a user talk message, but if that fails we could drop a hint by fixing the dab links in User:Whitleyscott1973/sandbox. Certes (talk) 09:46, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hey Certes, thank you for watching over some of my edits. In particular, 25 is definitely the fifth square number! I had read in my head, the third or fourth centered square number within that sequence, and garbled it as the third or fourth square number. Ahah! You really do amaze me on the range and ground you cover on Wikipedia. Thank you for your dedication to the platform, Certes.

		The Mathematics Barnstar
		For your dedication to maintaining all these number article pages, within the myriad of other pages you help sustain, and your mathematical precision in humor with some of these cleanups. Radlrb (talk) 15:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Certes!

Happy New Year!

Certes,
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Happy New Year, Certes!

Happy New Year!

Certes,
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31

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=31_(number)&diff=1134455461&oldid=1125831813 please check this out. how about this? i added source and also i think it is notable. it notable because look history of article, people keep adding info about this, and yet they didnt add it properly. i added properly. hopefully no one revert it. ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 20:08, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm not familiar with Turkish sources, so I'll leave the statement in there for others to assess. Certes (talk) 20:14, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for wikibreak

Hello from el and en wiktionary. I follow your edits. Thank you for User:Certes/Wikibreak to avoid Vector2022. (I edit wiktionaries logged but visit wikipedias unlogged.) I would not mind the technical issues, or the trouble of learning to navigate in a new environment, but I was shocked to learn that some projects were forced to accept a switch to new skin. Also, it is a matter of principle not to visit or support places that treat the public in such a way (without switchbutton, without a transitional period).
So, thank you for User:Certes/Wikibreak. Would you, could you rename it e.g. SwitchVector or switch-to-old-skin ... something like that, and place it somewhere global? Like Commons? It could be used everywhere.
Perhaps with a little bit more telegraphic language, for non anglophones? Something like: Don't like Vector2022? br Logged-in? Do this. Button at bottom br Not logged? ... etc.
I am afraid that it might be needed in the future in many more projects, not only en.wikipedia. Thank you for your wise and collected attitude. Sarri.greek (talk) 01:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
PS It would be enlightening to make people understand that it is not the editors' fault. With a statement like: We did not choose/do it. This was done by .. (who are they? Sorry, I do not know the internal bureaucracy things.) Sarri.greek (talk) 01:12, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

@Sarri.greek: Thank you for the comments. "They" are the Wikimedia Foundation who host Wikipedia, Wiktionary, etc. (and do many other things) using the money that comes from our Donate link and other sources. The WMF held various "consultations" and English Wikipedia had an RfC, but the skin went ahead anyway despite negative feedback. Using ?useskin= is slightly sensitive because it puts extra load on the server and causes delays for the reader. I don't want to annoy people by making the advice too prominent. There is further discussion at WP:REMOVEV22 and many other places. (Most of my watchlist entries are about the new skin, which is currently consuming more time than edits to the actual encyclopedia.) Certes (talk) 10:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

(driveby editor, interest piqued) I have things I want to say about the new skin! I also want to know how to make a change back stick, which seems to be a problem. Thanks for having that discussion; I am going to read that with extreme interest Elinruby (talk) 17:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@Elinruby: This section is about this banner, which I had atop my user page when the change to Vector 2022 was topical. Following those suggestions should make the change back to Vector 2010 stick, either on English Wikipedia only or on all wikis as you prefer. Certes (talk) 18:47, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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... although of course it was legitimate when you created it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:50, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that can go. Diaeresis (diacritic) and Close central rounded vowel#Close_central_compressed_vowel are linked from Ÿ. I don't think the link to IJ was useful – it just said ÿ looks a bit like ij. Certes (talk) 19:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Gotenburg

Are you quite sure that Gotenburg wasn't the spelling in the original? DuncanHill (talk) 01:20, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, well spotted, I didn't notice the blockquote off the top of my editing window. Undone. Certes (talk) 01:25, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for the quick response. I've just this moment found the right volume of The Antiquary on archive.org, and it does have the Gotenburg spelling. I'll improve the reference in the article. DuncanHill (talk) 01:28, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

57

57 (number)#In literature. DAVilla (talk) 11:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks; I'll leave that in then. Certes (talk) 11:39, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Oval balls

Your remark at Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation pages with links#Template:Diocese of the Americas reminded me of a little-known piece of poorly-documented history. After William Webb Ellis picked up the ball (which was spherical) and ran with it, and touched it down for the first try, he trotted over to the master who was refereeing and asked "Please Sir, what do I do with this now?" And that's why the rugby ball is the shape it is. Narky Blert (talk) 21:19, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Good to hear from you again! Yes, it was often unwise to question the masters in such establishments. Unfortunately, I expect we have a lot of templates out there with an ambiguous title and an ambiguous prefix on their links, and it's mainly through links to dabs that we spot them. Certes (talk) 21:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I had a bit of a health scare at the end of 2021, now fortunately resolved. Of course, schoolmasters didn't get involved in schoolboy sports in any way until about 50 years later; so the puzzle remains. The one-size-fits-all what-could-possibly-go-wrong templates are the worst; I recall repetitively moaning about them at WP:DAB or WP:DPL. Narky Blert (talk) 23:33, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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Slag van Spioenkop

Dear Certes,

In Sarel Oosthuizen "Spioenkop" was corrected to "Spionkop", according to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarel_Oosthuizen&diff=1145032747&oldid=1144993349 ? However, the native Afrikaans name is indeed "Spioenkop", witness https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slag_van_Spioenkop. Thanks, Hansmuller (talk) 12:48, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

I changed the English name from "Spionkop" to "Spion Kop", which seems to be the usual translation. I agree that the Afrikaans name is "Spioenkop", and I've left "Spioenkop" unchanged wherever it appears in the article. Certes (talk) 17:48, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of D. J. Moore (disambiguation)

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Pedro Fernandes

Why did you suggest deleting my page? PedroFernandes(olokomane) (talk) 17:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@PedroFernandes(olokomane): I nominated {{Pedro Fernandes}} because Wikipedia only carries articles on notable people, and the page does not seem to establish notability. There is also the possibility of a conflict of interest: Wikipedia strongly discourages autobiography. Finally, if the page is to stay, it should be in the article namespace and not a template. Editors who are not yet confirmed cannot create articles, and frankly it seems to be a bug that they can create templates. Let's see what other opinions appear at the deletion discussion. Certes (talk) 17:09, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hunter Harrison (disambiguation)

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Power of five

Power of five is currently a redirect page. I want it to be a page with all the powers of five (5ⁿ). For example: 152,587,890,625 is 5¹⁶. Sections: (Top), Applications, Table of values, Powers of five whose exponents are powers of five, Selected powers of five, References. This is all that I want to share with you. Numbers-Mathworld (talk) 07:35, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@Numbers-Mathworld: Like much of the new material in Power of two and Power of three, I don't see any encyclopedic value in adding that page, so I'm not able to help with it. Certes (talk) 08:38, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

There are reliable sources like the OEIS(On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences). If you go to [1], you will find lots of facts of the powers of 5. Add a if there is no citation. Numbers-Mathworld (talk) 10:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Go to [2] to find the abandoned article of 5^n. Create a new draft and submit the draft for review. The draft will be the official power of 5 (5^n) article. Numbers-Mathworld (talk) 10:54, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

This is the article I created - Power of five (exponentiation). Can you add reliable citations to the article, add redirects to the article, and make this the official page of 5^n. Numbers-Mathworld (talk) 11:32, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

No, sorry, I won't be able to work on that article. Certes (talk) 11:36, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

That's not a good title, and not a good article without refs. Better to develop it at Draft:Power of five (I think the plural Draft:Powers of five seems more appropriate here, as it's about the class of powers, more than about the members of the class, but maybe the singular is OK, following Power of two etc.). Dicklyon (talk) 12:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

If you want to move the article to the draft namespace, you can add a disambiguation at the article with the title 'Power of five'. Numbers-Mathworld (talk) 10:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't intend to move the page, though another editor has nominated it for deletion. As far as I know, the term has only one meaning in mathematics, and the only ambiguity is with The Power of Five, a series of novels. Certes (talk) 11:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

How would one automate a portal subsection about notable weather events?

At the risk of being seen as canvassing, I bring this process to your attention: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Tornadoes/Recent tornado outbreaks. If archived DYK hooks can be "claimed" by keyword/category for portal DYK sections, is it possible that ITN archive notices could be so flagged for this recent outbreaks section? I'm fine with deleting the subsection if necessary; it is an unnecessary waste of editor time unless it can be automated in some way. BusterD (talk) 19:56, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Related Rathi page

why did you deleted that edit i made , that edit was based on actual information Sagarrathee766 (talk) 13:49, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Sagarrathee766: Rathi is a disambiguation page; its job is not to add information but to guide the reader to the best article which has information about the relevant meaning of Rathi. Any information which is verifiable and reliably sourced can go in the appropriate article or, if there is no article yet and the topic is notable, in a new article. Certes (talk) 13:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

If sometimes later, Rathi (surname) page will be created, after that can we add this information ? Sagarrathee766 (talk) 14:00, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, if it's properly referenced. It might be useful to have a list of people called Rathi. Certes (talk) 14:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your valuable reply and time. And one last question can we use a reference of our community website where all the information related our surnames are added. Sagarrathee766 (talk) 14:09, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that one; sourcing is not really my field. It depends whether it's a reliable source or self-published. If you're writing about your own family, COI may also be relevant. In practice, it will probably be acceptable if it's similar to existing surname pages, or you could ask at WikiProject Anthroponymy or WikiProject India. Certes (talk) 14:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the information Sagarrathee766 (talk) 14:21, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Human Digestive System

Can the mentioning of defecation be mentioned as the end of the human digestive system. I realize adding that "the waste is often dumped into the toilet" is not necessary. Cwater1 (talk) 17:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Not my field, I'm afraid. It's probably best to ask on the article's talk page or, if no response there, at a relevant WikiProject. Certes (talk) 17:42, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks! Cwater1 (talk) 17:45, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience (disambiguation)

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Lieutenant or Leutnant

here you changed Lieutnant to Lieutenant - that is the English version of the rank, however, and Paul Bäumer was a member of the Imperial German Army - hence the German equivalant rank of Leutnant seems more appropriate.Nigel Ish (talk) 21:21, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

@Nigel Ish: Thanks for changing that. You're right that some of the words may be better fixed into a language other than English, but I don't see any others that I've edited which are as obvious as Bäumer. Those I've not meddled with seem inconsistent, with several oddities such as Ludwig Luer who is variously described as a [[Lieutenant|Leutnant]], [[Second lieutenant|Leutnant]] and [[Leutnant]]. Certes (talk) 21:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Concerning User:Certes/Reports/Talk with missing parent

I started working my way through this report, and I realized that a few of these require history merges because a talk subpage was created at the move target. A couple are parallel history merges, so unless there's a keen admin that wants to detangle the cases, I think those will need to be skipped. Sennecaster (Chat) 22:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Sennecaster: Thanks for doing what you can. I've not done any tidying up in this area myself; all I did was produce a list for others to look into. The original discussion has been archived but there may be a willing admin if you ask at VPT or elsewhere again. Certes (talk) 22:47, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Frequently redlinked women

Using the approach you developed for the Bs, I substituted first A and then C but no items were retrieved. See User:Ipigott/Most redlinked women A names and User:Ipigott/Most redlinked women C names. Can you help?--Ipigott (talk) 10:24, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ipigott: The query uses B% in two places, and both need to be changed. (Normally I'd SET a variable in one place and use it twice, but that doesn't seem to work with this bot.) I altered your queries but they now time out. Running them at a quieter time may work, or they may go faster on a second attempt when most of the data needed is in cache. There are slightly more A (465k) and C (438k) pages than Bs (349k), but not enough to double the run time. Certes (talk) 11:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanations. I would really appreciate your keeping an eye on them and see if you can get them to run successfully. No rush. We still have a few days before we firm up our plans for July.--Ipigott (talk) 13:37, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Ipigott: I've retried several times but the A and C queries just don't finish, even in Quarry, despite being only 20% bigger than the B query which runs in a fraction of the time limit. We may need to split into Aa–Am + An–Az or similar, which might be tedious but should work. Certes (talk) 23:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Just to make sure we have a basis for our July initiative, I think it would be worthwhile obtaining lists for As-Am and An-Az. Thanks for all the trouble you are taking to help us out.--Ipigott (talk) 05:40, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I've completed A–C lists and collated the work so far: see Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Redlist index#Alphabetical. Certes (talk) 10:30, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	Thanks very much for showing me the way at VPT! I really appreciate the help  :) SN54129 13:21, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

A WIR barnstar for you!

	The Women in Red barnstar
	Thank you, Certes, for tirelessly developing lists for the most frequently redlinked women, paving the way for our new alphabet runs. Your efforts are sincerely appreciated.--Ipigott (talk) 16:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Invitation

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@Zippybonzo: Thank you for the compliment but I don't even qualify for autopatrolled, so it seems inappropriate for me to patrol others' work. Certes (talk) 09:31, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 09:33, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Discussion moved

I recently pinged you at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). The discussion has now been moved to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Massive wide-ranging IP block on Airtel India users. JBW (talk) 17:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. As a non-admin I'm no expert on blocking but can see both sides of the problem. I hope the discussion reaches an acceptable solution. Certes (talk) 18:05, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes. There certainly are two sides, and unfortunately there is no ideal solution. I am doubtful whether I would have placed so large and comprehensive block for so long a time, but on the other hand I am not willing to condemn others for doing so. JBW (talk) 19:46, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Other British monarch requested move discussions currently taking place

Since you recently participated in the Charles III requested move discussion, I thought you might like to know that there are two other discussions currently going on about other British monarch article titles here and here. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. Queen Elizabeth II et al. seems to be proceeding sensibly to a SNOW oppose, despite an opening statement longer than most articles. George I looks more marginal and I'll leave it to the experts. Certes (talk) 23:11, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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Joseph Joanovici

I wonder if you can explain how you reached the conclusion that Joanovici is "not especially relevant to gangs", since clearly something needs be better explained there. He was unquestionably an organized crime member, a leading member of the Paris underworld in the 1940s and deeply involved with the "Bonny-Lafont Gang". How would you categorize him then if not under "Gangs in Paris"? Elinruby (talk) 15:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, perhaps the article could be clarified. It has no explicit mention of a gang. A couple of references refer to a "bande", which has a broader meaning including but not limited to "gang". Anyone following the links to Henri Lafont will see mention of "the Bonny-Lafont gang", but Joanovici's involvement seems to be limited to denouncing its leaders. If the category is correct then please re-add it, but it seemed from the article text as if it might be a mistake. Certes (talk) 15:26, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

I was actually looking for 'organized crime" when I categorized it, and I was trying to avoid creating a whole new category tree. Present-day usage of the word "gang" is often in the context of juvenile delinquency, which is a problem, as are the untranslated portions of Pierre Bonny. But sure, I can remedy the translation laziness that led me to leave "bande" untranslated. Thanks for explaining Elinruby (talk) 15:48, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't think "bande" needs translation, as it's quoting the French source and interpreting that broad term more narrowly might be OR. If you feel that it means "gang" within the scope of the category then that's fine; please add the article to the category and I'm sorry for bothering you. Certes (talk) g15:51, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Do not apologize, this is useful feedback; I just realized that you are right about the denouncing part being the most prominent mention. I am actually going to have to give some thought to how to make the relationship clearer. It's something like "he sipplied the Carlingue with travel passes and other logistical help in return for it keeping him out of a deportation camp...it's complicated but everything was at the time I guess. Elinruby (talk) 16:04, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Texas State Highway Loop 410 (disambiguation)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Road marker

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Please correct grammatical error: simple past tense > present perfect tense

Good morning Certes. At the top of your Talk page, please correct the sentence

If I left you a message: please answer on your talk page, as I am watching it.

thus

If I have left you a message: please answer on your talk page, as I am watching it.

Explanation: In English if-clauses, the preterite indicates conditional mood. Here are various tenses for illustration:

"If I left you a message, you would receive it promptly, so let us choose the messaging option." (PRESENT meaning, despite the simple past form of "left")

"If I had left you a message, you have would have received it promptly, so evidently I never sent the message." (PAST meaning, despite the past perfect form of "had left")

"If I leave you a message, you will receive it promptly, as a general rule." (FUTURE meaning, despite the present form of "leave")

What you need here is the present perfect to state that the action has happened in your scenario:

"If I have left you a message, please answer it promptly."

This whole grammatical scheme is found both in English and in French, but not in any other language that I know of. I therefore conclude that the Wikipedia programmer who programmed this mistake into the message was neither a native English nor French speaker. 2A00:23C6:54D3:DA01:4042:F64A:7025:8DAA (talk) 06:36, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm using the standard {{Usertalkback}} template, so any edit requests should be made on its talk page. Certes (talk) 12:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Done, thanks. 81.157.241.170 (talk) 14:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Meanwhile my request on the Usertalkback page has been implemented. Please feel free to delete my identical request here on your page. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.109.146.228.155 (talk) 05:52, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Great. This section will go away in the regular archiving, which is due soon. Certes (talk) 09:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)