User talk:Brian0918/Archive 23

Broken link on your userpage

Hi Brian. I just noticed the broken link to the image of Chopin. The link you were looking for is this one: image:Frederic Chopin photo.jpeg. Best. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK fiddling

[1] Why not propose correct ions to the noms you have issues with while they are unselected instead of fiddling with them after they're on the main page? You waited a whole 1 minute after I saved to start. I'd prefer you didn't do that every time. And if you do, make all your fixes in one go, the main page and its includes get a lot of hits. ++Lar: t/c 01:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

(I prefer to keep threads threaded ++Lar)

When they're on the talk page, I focus on the interest of the fact, not its grammar. That can easily be fixed once its being finalized. When I update, I usually check the grammar before submitting the new entries. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-16 02:03

OK, makes sense, but still, try to make all your fixes in one pass instead of 6, please, it clutters the history up badly. Makes it harder to find the last pic to unprotect sometimes... I'm not sure I agree that 4000 needed to be 4,000 in this particular case though... more importantly I have a larger concern with changing more than just grammar, like you did for that ruminant and the scent gland. That again is something that should have been corrected while it was a nom, in my view, if it mattered that much. ++Lar: t/c 02:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, just so you know, editing a template that is included on the main page is not a problem. The main page is only one page, and it only has to be regenerated that one time. Editing a template that is included on thousands of pages, like a stub template, is much worse, because those thousands of pages all have to be regenerated (I just checked with a dev to make sure). But the dev said neither are a problem. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-16 02:10

Already knew that, thanks. I'm referring to the amount of real change visible in one page of the history for the template. 6 small edits in a row means less real change visible. It's a bad practice if you can avoid it. Try to use preview more. (I should talk because I have the same problem, but still...) ++Lar: t/c 02:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn't even see the scent gland entry in the suggestions... maybe it was a late nomination. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-16 02:11

The history would tell you, it might well be. ++Lar: t/c 02:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh Lord.

Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right. NSLE _(T+C) at 17:29 UTC (2006-06-10)

But 3 lefts do. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-10 17:41

That is the wittiest reply I've seen ever. Henceforth, you shall be my God of Wittiness. You will serve as my muse and source of inspiration when confronted with pressure on making a witty comment. With outmost devotion, your humble Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 02:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

IMDB photo

Do you have a link to the Lloyd photo? Mad Jack 06:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On June 16, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Panarion, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Banu Nadir

The link you provided refers to it as "highly offensive." Please never use the term. 17:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Banu Nadir

Thanks for letting me know. I can't say it was entirely unexpected, since articles that can be construed as showing Islam in general and Muhammad in particular in a negative light routinely come under attack. Pecher ^Talk 19:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

I've read the talk page and am coming back with this:

Moved to user page.

This is my first barnstar ever. Pecher ^Talk 19:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Your update of DYK added the article Banu Nadir to the page... which... was created 23:22, 13 February 2006... not within the five day time frame. Tickle Me nominated it... but... be careful.... it did have lots of content growth and I don't feel like removing it (because... I think it's better to change all of them at once) but... like... it shouldn't be there? Thanks. gren グレン 19:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, okay... that has been changed recently. Last time I looked must have been then or before so I didn't notice. Sounds good. gren グレン 21:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

It's been changed recently, but in a very biased way. There was a treaty between all the jews of Medina and and Muhammed formed in 622, and the current version of the article doesn't mention it at all, citing The Jews of Arab Lands: A History and Source Book, which probably doesn't mention it either. The treaty was broken in 623 with each side accusing the other of treachery -- which again, the current version of the article omits, but earlier versions covered. I think you've been trolled. Publicola 06:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Compitalia

I am finding this article extremely confusing. Are these mostly articles within Smith? Maybe using the format generated by {{cite encyclopedia}} would be useful. Regards. Circeus 23:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Indeed they are:

• Saturnalia i.7
  • Is that the "saturnalia" entry in one of the ref, a book title, a classic work? Same for all otehr similar entries.
• In Pisonem. 4; Ascon. l.c.
  • This one looks like a classicalwork, but the abbreviation of the author's anme makes it impossible for the layman to know who it is.

Am I mistaken in saying you are giving the same references as Smith? I don't think that is necessary. I think these refs use a system that is explained somewhere in the book itself (e.g. for abbreviations and "standard" titles), but in Wikipedia becomes simply impossible to understand. Circeus 23:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Oups... Sorry about the greek stuff. I should have checked before saving. Circeus 03:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe, when you read this in time...

Hi Brian!

I believe the News section on the Main Page of the English Wikipedia has an omission today... Maybe if you read this in time, it could still be fixed. I have put a little piece about this in the News Items on the Main Dutch Page as well. Here's the English translation of what I wrote there... Something along these lines should be carried by the English version too, I believe...:

[quote on]

• June 18 » Paul McCartney, who wrote his song "When I'm Sixty-Four" over 50 years ago, will himself reach the age of 64 today! . Tomorrow at the latest he will be able to say from his own experience that today's 64-year-old, with his dramatically increased life expectancy, has luckily turned out much less old, frail and tired of life than his counterpart halfway into the 20th century, who after all inspired young Paul to those famous, worried lines: "When I get older, losing my hair, many years from now, / Will you still be sending me a Valentine, / birthday greetings, bottle of wine? / If I'd been out 'till quarter to three, / would you lock the door? / Will you still need me, will you still feed me, / When I'm sixty-four?" ...

[quote off]

Cheers,

Tom. Thor NL^{AMAZE ME} 11:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Stature of Liberty

Hey there, I need a favor from an admin due to a silly error on my part. It seems I uploaded Image:Stature of Liberty in Planet of the Apes.jpg with an extra letter in the name - while humorous, I'd appreciate it if you fixed the typo before I use the image in any articles. Thanks. :) Moulder 17:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Your article, Levant Company, was selected for DYK!

On June 18, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Levant Company, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 19:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Update notices

[2] Please do not remove, or claim to remove, update notices, let the updating DYK admin do it. Thank you. Further, is it REALLY necessary to ALWAYS fiddle with every update, especially while it's still in progress? It's very offputting, please stop doing it. ++Lar: t/c 19:58, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

(refactored, this is the second time I've had to do this with a conversation of yours. Another annoying trait is that apparently you don't read talk page headers)

We edited at the same time, so although I did remove it, you did first. I just assumed you forgot, as another admin removed my DYK notice when I forgot. I don't see the problem with fixing grammatical errors. Nobody owns the template. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-18 20:01

It is not necesary to fix things while the update is in progress. It's rude and causes errors and wasted communication. You seem to like to edit rather tendentiously and I find it quite offputting. DYK was a lot more harmonious before you started participating again, and that is not just my perception. Perhaps there might be another area of the encyclopedia that could better appreciate your contributions? ++Lar: t/c 20:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know fixing grammatical errors could be so offputting. Well, I'm going to continue, but I'll at least wait until the update notice is gone, or at least a while after the update, to give the updater a chance to fix his own mistakes. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-18 20:23

It's not just that, Brian, it's your whole approach to editing. That whole ordering thing really demonstrated it nicely... you made a change without checking for consensus first, fought tenaciously against reverting it back in the teeth of everyone else saying you needed to do it, that it was a bad change, and that it was the wrong way to do things, all the time refusing to admit that you had done anything wrong and when finally, someone else did your cleanup for you, your attitude was "oh gee, it doesn't matter, you all are wrong but whatever". Totally not the right way to be collegial. When I review your other contributions to the DYK process, in many (but not all) cases, the same pattern emerges. Really, I strongly ask you to change your approach, admit that you're sometimes incorrect, and when you are, make amends instead of ignoring the messes you caused, and discuss things in a way that appears less abrasive. I've asked around and I'm by far not the only person that reads your words and finds them offputting. Not just on DYK, mind you, but that's the part of the site I wanted to be able to edit that caused me to want to be an admin in the first place, so it's the part I care about most, and you're just making it a lot less pleasant, and I wish you'd change your approach. ++Lar: t/c 20:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

The ordering of a talk page and grammatical fixes in a template are unrelated. Are you trying to make a list of grievances against me? Also, please don't use quotes around misrepresentations of my words. I did admit that I was mistaken in being bold and updating the ordering. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-18 20:54

I'm talking about a pattern of behaviour here, and so the different actions are indeed related, they are part of a pattern. As for the quotes around "oh gee, it doesn't matter, you all are wrong but whatever"... that is how I (and others) interpreted your words, the quotes were a setoff, not an intent to quote you, since I said "your attitude" not "your words". I would dispute that you properly dealt with that ordering incident, admitting your mistake but refusing to undo it is not collegial. I note that you're not addressing the fundamental issue here, and I wish you'd internalise that there might be an issue and that you might want to consider a change in approach. ++Lar: t/c 21:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

As long as I'm making grammatical errors or obvious stylistic improvements, I don't see the problem. You really sound your inflating your problems with me, whatever they are, for whatever reason. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-19 01:49

And you really sound like you're not internalising what I and others tell you. As long as you don't do any more rash things that are hard to undo, I guess it's not the end of the world. ++Lar: t/c 02:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Categories Which List People Executed by Governments

From Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 16#Category:People killed by or on behalf of Muhammad, you stated...

Should we also delete the several other categories which list people executed by governments or leaders for various reasons? Your reasoning makes no sense. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-16 15:30

I found Category:People killed by the Third Reich, but that was it. What are the others you had in mind? joturner 22:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I was overly-precise. I've seen other examples, but my only regular experience is with the Category:People executed for heresy. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-18 22:13

I see. I don't believe that's really comprable to the category up for deletion. joturner 22:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

It's a category of people executed by a religious organization. How is that different from a category of people executed by order of a religious leader? — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-18 22:20

You are free to disagree, but I would consider Category:People executed by the Roman Catholic Church to be analagous to Category:People killed on behalf of Muhammad and Category:People executed for heresy to be analagous to Category:People killed for rejecting Muhammad's teachings because the former two are by a group (the Church or Muhammad's people) while the later two are for specific offenses. joturner 22:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Again, you are free to disagree. joturner 22:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

moved to user page

FP captions on the Main Page

It would great if you could participate a bit at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_picture_candidates#Mainpage_caption_as_part_of_candidate_nomination. Thanks.--Pharos 07:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On June 20, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article French West India Company, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

— BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-20 02:37

Banu Nadir

Can you please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banu_Nadir&diff=59458797&oldid=59433750 . The comparison shows that if you don't allow opinions from both sides, the whole article can be very biased. User:Publicola even raised many issues on talk page, but those issues aren't answered yet but the article is reverted to its original form again and again. Even Britannica Encyclopedia has a much better version. A novice reader has the right to know the story from both sides. If you can do something in this regard, it will be very much appreciated. SaadSaleem 02:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On June 20, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Compitalia, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

— BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-20 15:58

re: Speedy-deletion of User:Abodes

Good evening. You recently speedy-deleted this userpage as a copyvio. I have to admit I suspected that as well but could not find anything that was an obvious copyvio. I found a few similar pages but they appeared to be released by the original author and did not appear to me to violate GFDL. Can I ask where you found the copyvio?

By the way, I still think this was deletable. I'm just not sure it was speedy-deletable. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 23:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't it always seem to work that way? Thanks for checking, though. Rossami (talk) 00:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Finnish Tango

Did this get selected already? If not, why is there a notice for it? Please don't add notices for my selections, it messes me up. One admin, one update process. ++Lar: t/c 00:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

never mind, it was indeed already selected, just not removed from the nomination page... ++Lar: t/c 00:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

refactored (third request to keep things threaded when talking to me... it's in a big banner at the top of my talk page, should I make it bigger?)

Yes it was selected already; see the template history. As for the rest of your comment, I don't know to what you're referring... — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-21 00:29

• It was a last-minute change I think. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-21 00:30

Sorry for confusion about the selection, I go by the noms and forgot to check the template. The rest of the comment refers to that it would be very confusing for more than one person to be adding talk page messages at the same time which is what I thought you were doing. Again, my mistake, which I freely and gladly admit. ++Lar: t/c 00:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Sitenotice

Thank you! [3] Wish I had thought of that sooner. Obnoxious, unnecessary advertisement, and now I don't have to put up with it =D. AmiDaniel (talk) 07:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Your advice abt DYK updation

While I empathise with your suggestion, what choice do I have with all these DYK candidates becoming stale by the time of next update? You may want to check my new post on WT:DYK. --Gurubrahma 18:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Once you make a relaxation to the 5-day limit, there is no end to it. As it is, updating admins are accused of favoritism many-a-time. I know as I've been at DYK updation much longer and earlier than you. My reading of the situation is that there has been a pile-up not because of too many suggestions but because the admins couldn't get round to updating DYK. btw, I deleted the image you c-uploaded for the last update - you didn't add the attribution information to the image page while uploading; please do so in future as instructed on {{C-uploaded}}. Copyrights and attribution are a sensitive issue to Wikimedia foundation, and by extension, to WP community. --Gurubrahma 18:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

btw, just to stress that I felt that the noms were diverse. In fact my only worry about balance was that the update was more of art and music (3 entries). I actually looked at it as one on science, one from Russia, one from America (sculptor), one from music and one from Christianity in East (Siam=Thailand). Guess each of us views things differently :-) --Gurubrahma 18:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

reversion of comment in this thread

"(rv personal attack; leave it on his talk page if you want to criticize my every move. do you have my talk page on your watchlist, or my contribs page?)" I watch this page, as with many other talk pages of editors I interact with, because I have started conversations here, more than once, so watching for replies (I prefer threads kept together) is natural, hope that explains it. I have no issue with others participating in conversations on my page when they have something to say that's relevant, which I thought my comment was. However I don't believe I've ever had a comment reverted, so clearly we're at loggerheads here, it's not my desire to ever say anything that is taken as a personal attack, and I apologise if you took it that way, and for giving offense...

To the point though... you're saying you don't like having your every move criticised? That's a sentiment I strongly share, I do not like having my every move criticised either.. I'm sorry if you think I'm too critical of you and your actions. I think you're too critical of my actions as well. I'll go further, I'd like to try to see if we can all come to some understanding that results in your being less critical of others as well as others being less critical of you. I'll be on IRC tonite, perhaps we could chat directly, you and I, as a starting point? ++Lar: t/c 21:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

• It seems like every single page I edit, you're right behind me with a snide remark. I'd be fine if you were commenting on my rationale, but it's always about what you believe is my personality/demeanor, the prime example being also being the one I deleted from this page. You'd think with your 25 years of professional experience you'd learn how to interact with people in a civilized way and not resort to ad hominem nonsense. How about if I just ignore you from now on? — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-21 22:17
  • If ignoring me includes not being incivil to me, not giving out snide remarks to me, and not criticising everything I do the way you did here, then that might well be about the best we can do. I'd prefer to try to figure out how to work with you productively, though, and have made an offer to do so, which you are free to accept or not as you choose. I'm always open to feedback from those who are open to feedback as well. ++Lar: t/c 23:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Guys, please cool it - you are both mature individuals with great track record on WP. May I make a suggestion? Lar has decided that he'll no longer update his DYK noms to the template. The objective I guess, is to show that there is no conflict of interest. This would have been a bad idea if only one admin were updating DYK (like I was doing for a couple of months or Peta was doing before me). Now that we have at least 3 regular admins updating DYK (both of you and Catus.man have been doing a decent job) with part-timers chipping now and then, I think this suggestion makes immense sense. I wish you guys make up. May I take the liberty to propose that Brian do the next update with Kar's photo suggestion on Artrain making it to the top? We will resolve remaining issues of the updation process etc. in due course of time. All of us have erred however minute in this situation, now let's extricate ourselves from this mess with grace. We as admins are supposed to be role-models for others. Please ignore my message if it has offended either of you and let me unconditionally apologise in advance. Thanks, --Gurubrahma 14:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

s:List of victims of the 1913 Great Lakes storm

I hate to open up a sore subject with you, and I imagine this will be one from reading the talk page. However Wikisource has altered her inclusion policy to the exclusion of reference data. The restriction to previously published materials is being strictly enforced with the only exceptions being translations and annotations of published materials. Reference data is being phased out with new batches being listed at proposed deletions every week. This article has not been listed as of yet, but it is only a matter of time. I saw the talk page on this article as I was tagging it with {{refdata}} and wanted to make you aware of the situation. On the brighter side, Wikipedia seems to have loosened up on her policy towards lists and you are likely to find a home for this here.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 20:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Edittools - quick

When you added {{polynonic|+}}, you forgot the nowiki's, so it's screwing everything up (try pressing "show" next to Other Characters/Symbols) Fix it as quick as possible! Thanks. —Mets501 (talk) 15:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Much better now, thanks for the quick action! —Mets501 (talk) 15:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, if you could add {{IPA|+}} while you're at it (don't forget the nowiki's for that one either). —Mets501 (talk) 15:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On June 23, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Congiarium, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--BRIAN0918 00:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Vote on Fir0002 FPC

Hi Brian!
I was wondering if you could leave your comments on this page? Thanks! --Fir0002 04:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK superstar!

On June 24, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Congius, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

• Thanks to a superstar at DYK! We really appreciate all your fabulous work there. Take care -- Samir धर्म 04:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Your DYK nomination for Betsey Stockton was successful

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Betsey Stockton, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for suggestions that got the hook selectable! ++Lar: t/c 14:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Your vote on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Bruno Senna

Hi Brian,
Sorry to bother you, but I've updated the captions on the edits to make it perfectly clear which version you support. Please update your vote and state which version you support. Please use the naming located under the main caption in bold, large text. Thanks, --Fir0002 09:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On June 26, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hilaria, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

DYK

On June 26, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Quinquatria, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Cactus.man ✍ 19:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

er, help (undeletion / new article of a deleted one)

Sorry, I didn't know where to go with this, I'm not the best Wikipedian in the world. You put up an article of mine for deletion (but did not carry out the final deletion action(?)), back in December, YouThink.com. I have rewritten the article so that it is more clear that it isn't an advertisement (because that was not its purpose), and the facts that it has more than 270,000 members, as well as the Links section of the site (I-Am-Bored.com domain name) has an Alexa rank in the 2000s, which are at least two requirements that make it an acceptable Wikipedia article (which it only needs one, I believe). I don't really need the article un-deleted, because I've already written it over and all.. so I wasn't sure if I had to go through the formal undeletion procedure (which confuses me just a little), or if I could just put it back up? Thank you for help if you give it to me. EgyptianSushi 09:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)