Brad 191919191
Double header A-League edit
Hey there...
When you add in the double header as a seperate game, it adds an extra game to the overall total. This distorts the averages, especially given they have already been included. If we took the split crowds away from Sydney and CCM and reverted back to a double header tab by itself, then even though there were two games played, we're including only one which again distorts the averages as the stats will reflect that one less game was played over the course of the year, which boosts the averages.
To make it a bit clearer, note the following -
Option 1 (Divide crowd evenly and add a double header tab)
We end up with a total of 151 games divided by the total crowd figure, instead of 150, lowering the overall average.
Option 2 (Split up the crowds and leave as is)
We end up with the correct games figure of 150, however club averages might be slightly understated for Sydney and overstated for CCM as we do not know exactly how many fans went to the fixture predominantly supporting one game over another.
Option 3 (Remove attendance split from club averages and add double header alone)
We get 149 games played overall instead of 150, boosting the overall average. This also does not impact on club averages which is not correct as they both played official home matches.
So, I feel that it is best to split the averages and remove the double header line which will keep things as accurate as possible. It was me who made the initial changes earlier - I've created an account so that I can understand peoples reasons as to why they feel this is wrong instead of just changing it without justification.
- I can understand your reasons for wanting to change this but it's pretty simple why this is set up the way it is. The A-league count this as one gate attendance as does both News Ltd and Fairfax Media. We're just following their stats. Why would our unofficial stats override the official stats kept by the FFA and the media? --Squilibob (talk) 04:23, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Because there were X amount of matches played watched by X amount of people? The NRL have divided the double header in previous years as other sporting bodies have done. It makes no sense to include 1 crowd figure for 2 matches as that completely distorts the averages. Perhaps we should include tonights Victory game and tomorrow nights Heart game as a double header? The fact remains both clubs would have recieved an equal (or pre-determined) cut of the gates. If the other bodies have counted it once, then it just seems bizarre to me.
- They're treating it as a completely separate game so it shouldn't count for both Sydney and Central Coast... it should count for neither. So that leave option one which would look like this:
| Team | Hosted | Average | High | Low | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Melbourne Victory | 7 | 15,440 | 20,358 | 11,513 | 108,083 |
| Perth Glory | 9 | 9,623 | 16,019 | 5,745 | 86,610 |
| Adelaide United | 6 | 9,993 | 13,310 | 7,370 | 59,959 |
| Melbourne Heart | 8 | 9,048 | 25,897 | 4,184 | 72,384 |
| Brisbane Roar | 8 | 8,627 | 13,248 | 5,051 | 69,015 |
| Sydney FC | 7 | 8,907 | 12,106 | 5,373 | 62,348 |
| Newcastle Jets | 7 | 7,239 | 8,735 | 3,114 | 50,671 |
| Wellington Phoenix | 7 | 7,162 | 9,553 | 5,211 | 50,134 |
| Central Coast Mariners | 4 | 7,065 | 8,447 | 5,373 | 28,258 |
| North Queensland Fury | 7 | 4,847 | 7,195 | 2,866 | 33,926 |
| Gold Coast United | 7 | 3,145 | 6,394 | 2,037 | 22,014 |
| Double header | 2 | 5,373 | 10,746 | 10,746 | 10,746 |
| League total | 79 | 8,280 | 25,897 | 2,037 | 654,148 |
or alternatively we could just list the double header by itself below the other attendance as your option 3? I don't think it should be omitted or absorbed into Sydney and Central Coast's stats as that isn't what the A-League have done. So I suggest option 1 or 3 but definitely not option 2. --Squilibob (talk) 11:43, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Hmm... Its a toughie... I don't mind the look of the table above, as it removes double handling. If the 5373 is removed from Central Coast and Sydney and we keep the double header as being 2 games played, then the average is not affected as it still divides total attendance by the correct amount of games. However, I'm still not overally comfortable with Sydney and Central Coast not having their averages affected though, as it becomes something of a phantom home match eg: they could have drawn a total of 200 between them and it wouldn't affect their averages. It's hardly fair on a side like Newcastle who were forced to relocate a match, provide free entry and still only got 3114. That game surely would have gotten more through the turnstiles in Newy?? Whichever way you look at if, both teams played official home games, and it's my opinion that the crowd they drew should be included in both teams averages. However, this is purely my view and if I'm in the minority and official sources contradict my opinion, then I will accept that. But like I said, it just seems the fairest way for me given that its likely both clubs split the gate anyway.
Please stop adding fake figures to the A-League attendances page. The Frederick (talk) 06:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Stadium names edit
Hi Brad, I see that you have been editing the 2011 NAB Cup article to use the sponsored names of the venues as opposed to the non-commercial names (eg AAMI Stadium vs. Football Park and so on). While it's great that you have such enthusiasm about AFL articles, could I ask you to please refrain from edit-warring and please join in the current discussion on the 2011 season talk page, so that we can reach a consensus on this issue and the edit-warring can stop. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 10:19, 19 February 2011 (UTC)