User talk:Bjones/Archive 1

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Characters of Lost re-format

Hi. I applaud your bold initiative on the Characters of Lost article, and am in favor of splitting the article by individual characters. However, before engaging such a drastic reformat as you've started, it would be appropriate to review the extensive discussions of the past number of months at Talk:Characters of Lost and the particular thoughts by many of the editors at Talk:Characters_of_Lost_(New_Format). For example, "Kate Ryan" is the name currently used for Evangeline Lily's character, as per broadcaster ABC Television (see the extensive bios section on the "official" site at: http://www.oceanicflight815.com/)

Thanks and good luck! LeFlyman 08:17, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply. Again, I think the Kate Ryan issue has been heavily discussed in Talk:Characters of Lost. It would be original research to use a character name that is contrary to what the series producers/creators themselves use. The name on ABC's sites, IMDB and in media packets is "Kate Ryan" -- Kate Austin was her childhood name. While she does go by a number of aliases, it may very well be that "Ryan" was the surname of her ex-husband, however that has yet to be revealed. To avoid confusion between the character name and the real-world singer, I'd suggest that character entries be in a different title format, something like: Kate Ryan (Lost). This should be taken to the talk page for the article, of course. LeFlyman 19:35, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

I'd like to take a few seconds and thank you for voting Support on my RfA. Thanks; I shall not forget. --Maru (talk) 00:38, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, you seemed to be a good candidate. I'm sure you'll make a fine admin, too.Bjones 13:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Keyboardist-stub

I have analyzed the situation and found nothing wrong with the template or with the category, so I would suggest that you brought this up at the Village Pump, since a problem might have happened at the category's formation, for example. Regards, --Sn0wflake 19:45, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Surnames

Hello,

I just got myself started in Wikipedia stuff; I was searching for other Quakers and found the "Quaker Wikipedians" category. Noticing it wasn't listed under "Wikipedians by Religion," I made it so. :)

Your user page says you do such things as reorder names by Surname; commendable thankless task. :) Maybe you might have some idea why, on "Category:Quaker_Wikipedians", my name shows up under "U" for User:DAllen? Yours doesn't, but User:AJR does. I suppose I could go ask somebody in "Help".

Anyway, I'm mostly just saying Hi.

DAllen\^talk 05:55, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Heh, I love it when I answer my own questions. I figured out how to fix what order to sort, via a trailing "|DAllen" in the category link. DAllen\^talk 06:18, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply; honestly, if you replied earlier I wouldn't have seen it until now anyway :) ...It seems odd that we can't get updates-via-email or even RSS, requiring us to check the site itself. Talk to you later, DAllen\^talk 14:55, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians born in 1962

Hi, I read your question about the missing Boomers ... ;-) Regards Roland2 15:42, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

You are right ;- and BTW: INTP is ok :-) Roland2 10:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Boston cream pie

The points that you were concerned about in Boston cream pie appear to have been due to vandalism on the article by anonymous user 65.117.52.169. I have attempted to undo those updates and so I also removed the accuracy tag on the article. --Big_Iron 20:34, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Willie Whistle

You're right about the potential value of the article, of course, but it's important to note that the article I deleted was at "Willie whistle", not "Willie Whistle", where an article on this person should be created, if anywhere. Deb 18:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Sun's full name

Sun's page is currently located at Sun-Soo Kwon. As a Korean, the name looked wrong, so I did some research and couldn't find any official sources to back up the name, and instead found an IMDB entry where her name was listed as Sun-Hwa Kwon. I've seen other sources where the character is listed as Sun Paik. So her full given name is definitely Sun-Hwa, Sun-Soo being probably a mistake due to analogy with Jin's full given name being Jin-Soo (which is like expanding "Ken" to "Kenjamin" by analogy with "Ben" and "Benjamin"). The issue though is which surname to use for the article. In Korea, women do not take their husbands' surnames, so unless Sun has legally changed her name, her correct legal surname is still Paik. But perhaps Kwon is acceptable as an anglicized version of the name to help viewers who might be confused that the couple have different surnames. If you have an opinion on whether the page should be moved to Sun-Hwa Kwon or Sun-Hwa Paik, then please leave a message on the Talk:Sun-Soo Kwon. Thanks. --219.254.220.163 06:16, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Deletion

I got your message, but I left shortly after I deleted that. And it's already deleted again, so I guess we're good. :) Accidental re-creations usually do not last long, the people on new page patrol pick them up rather quickly anyway. --Phroziac^(talk) 20:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Gage Blackwood Categorized

As per your request, I have categorized the Gage Blackwood article. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.--ElephantForgets 15:59, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Eugenio Lopez III

I reclassified this from nonsense to empty as the content was the title of the article. Please use correct speedy tags, found here. --WAvegetarian 05:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Bosnian singers

You created this category four days ago, but there has been nothing added to the category. Is there any reason why this should not be speedy deleted? --Nlu 04:07, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Baal (play)

Good save. - brenneman^(t)(c) 03:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

• Thank you. It's rare enough that CSD articles are salvageable.Bjones 03:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

SS Maritime Victory

you added a comment that the article on the SS Martime Victory was a stub about a civilian ship. The Martime Victory was a USAT Victory ship owned by the Army, now in the Ready Reserve Fleet (though it may be sold for scrap).

Curious, are you....

hey, I was wondering, are you User:Gin or, User:Bjones You seem to be using both... --VileRage ^{(Reply|C|Spam Me!*)} 08:23, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm User:Bjones. I don't know who User:Gin is/was. When I looked up contributions I saw one back in '03.Bjones 15:31, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Yea, I got it figured out, it's one of the WP:SOCK's from Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shtickless. They'd started an AfD on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shtick (which I've seen to the deletion of), which they kept changing the sig on, but they initially signed it as you. Sorry to bother you about it ;] --VileRage ^{(Reply|C|Spam Me!*)} 20:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Not a prob, I'm sure it will get sorted out.Bjones 20:22, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

editing a biography

Thanks for editing the biography I just put up; I had found the reference to my asteroid at "5100 Pasachoff," so I provided background information. I'd be glad to have your regularize any other styles, and add a reference to http://www.williams.edu/astronomy/jpasachoff as well as my web pages at www.eclipses.info www.transitofvenus.info www.solarcorona.com

  Jay Pasachoff

Im sorry you dont like it.

The page probably wont last long anyways because its such a long title, but I thought it would be fun for a short time.Livin' for WRESTLING! 20:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Toukie Smith

WOW! How did you find my new Wikipedia article so quickly?? You edited my article moments after I created it - I am impressed! Danflave 19:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I ran into this on your user page

" Also do a lot of minor efforts involving categories, where I make sure people are alphabetized by surname rather than given name. Sick, I know."

Did you know that in Iceland phone books are alphabetized by first name? Be careful lest you be labeled an Americocentrist. Or a Britocentrist. Or worse. Carptrash 07:02, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Duly noted. But most other European countries alphabetize by last name/family name. The same is true—I believe—of India and Arabic countries. Where I'm not sure, I leave it alone.Bjones 13:56, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Stub

Re: Land Systems Hägglunds, that was quick! Mark83 19:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Interest (finance)

Hi there

Why the deletion of the content from interest to interest (finance)? You also redirected the interest finance to the old interest page?

Best Regards Meinertsen

Interest (finance)

I see your point, but I was on my way to write more about interest on the interest page, but you redirected the interest (finance) without replacing the content? I have added more to the interest page, but please let me know if you want it the old way.

Meinertsen

Baby Peggy

My goodness! How did you know that of all the movie titles Wikipedia has an enty on Ah, Wilderness!? I'm impressed! -- Arwel (talk) 03:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Leave the Fundamentalist Atheist article please

I will do some work on it, there are many intolerant atheists and it is about time the world realised just what people like Madalyn Murray O'Hair, proverbial gods of Atheism, are really like.

Not being an administrator, I didn't delete it myself. It was heavily on the POV side, though, so someone was likely to do so.Bjones 00:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Need you to fix what you did

In reference to the Carly Goodwin page.. I was asked to create it, by her, and had full permission to use said text. I have posted this everywhere I can, but I need to have the copyright warning delted. Please contact me at webmaster@carlygoodwin.com. Thank you very much. Razorfrog 08:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll get back to you on this soon. Just have to consult the magic eightbal.Bjones 18:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Lazkano.jpg

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Primary dealers

I took off the dynamic list tag from Primary dealers as it didn't seem to appropriate to ask people to change the list, when there is a link given to the official list. Also in the link is a list of about a dozen changes since 1999, which are mainly changes of names or due to mergers. The list is just not that dynamic and the purpose of the article is not just to list them.

Thanks.Smallbones 11:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Point taken. The article has developed a lot already.Bjones 13:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Sculpture_08.jpg

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Fishnish

Badly-written it may have been, but not patent nonsense. It's a ferry terminal, on the Isle of Mull. Regards, Tonywalton  | Talk 18:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:MarisolGeneral.jpg

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Personal page edit.

Good day.

You recently posted the boilerplate welcome message on _my_ user page. Did you by any chance miss that I had a talk page for that reason? If you had checked that page, you would notice that I had been welcomed about four months ago by another user. Could you please explain how you managed to miss that?? Folajimi 15:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• If your previous action was a mistake like you claim, then kindly revert the page to its previous state. Folajimi 18:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • What is actually needed is a Rollback, which can be performed users with Admin privileges. Find one to do it for you. Folajimi 18:32, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Reversion

This is to remind you that the action to my user page has yet to be undone... Folajimi 04:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Let me get this straight. You contacted a random user who apparently has access to the rollback capabilities of the system, then made no attempt to follow up on the issue. Did it ever occur to you that the user may have just ignored you? Simply saying that you "made a request to an admin..." and dropping the matter hardly qualifies as an attempt to rectify the situation; we both know that there is more than one user with the proper privileges.

Your apathetic response to this matter is duly noted. "...If he hasn't responded..." as a response is, in a word, insulting... Folajimi 14:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary

Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 27% for major edits and 57% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 150 minor edits in the article namespace.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear impolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 04:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for the heads up, Mr. Bot. I will try to do that.Bjones 04:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Copyvios

Hi Bjones. I saw that you tagged Alex Dempsey with {{copyvio}}. Just as a reminder, according to WP:CP, you should blank the copyvio article when you tag it with {{copyvio}}. This is so that the current revision is no longer a problem, and so that Wikipedia mirrors won't pick up the problematic text. — TKD (Talk) 13:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Wallace Stevens

Because you have edited the article, you are invited to participate in an Editors Poll on the Wallace Stevens discussion page. --Halcatalyst 18:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Image-Polke's Palm Trees.jpg

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I uploaded this image before I really knew how things worked. It might be best to let the image lapse and re-create it under a different filename.Bjones 20:44, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

GM Europe entry- why wikify tag removed

My very first article in Wikipedia and wasn't sure how this tag appeared. It's now clear. Well at least it's clear I seem to be making one or more fundamental formatting/style errors. Though after reading the help information I'm not quite sure what. Would appreciate a hint of the simple error(s) I'm making. Not even sure if I'm responding to your comment in the right place. First time I have done this too!—Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Childsplay (talk • contribs) Childsplay 16:08, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Still learning

Forgot to sign my last comment. Childsplay 16:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

You live, you learn.Bjones 16:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Klyne.jpg

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Okay. The picture seems to meet the criterion for United States public domain. Didn't mark it as such before, but I have now, so it should be all set.Bjones 04:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Bromadiolone

Hello, Bjones. I saw that you tagged bromadiolone for wikification. Unfortunately, like many articles so tagged (perhaps half, especially if substubs are not counted) it is a copyright violation. If you are interested, I have some advice on how to spot copyright violations and identify the source. In this case, the things that stand out most about this article are that it looks like, and is, a chemical information document rather than an encyclopedia article and the enormous amount of spacing between paragraphs (an article that repeatedly uses multiple blank lines is likely to be a copyright violation). Thanks, Kjkolb 11:19, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebay/safepaymentpolicyemail3_20_2006

I got the text in, but did not finish it. Wikipedia is lagging horribly and it's taken an hour so far. Yet somehow you get it so fast that you move it before I can finish it. I will finish it once the lag finally stops. Right now I have waited 10 minutes just to view the new page you moved it to so I can add the pictures I uploaded. Yes, your speedy move has made me wait 10 more mintes. DyslexicEditor 19:03, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Someone else said the moved it and I sent them to my comment to you, possibly meant for them. DyslexicEditor 19:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Beast of Belgium

I've tidied up this article, but it seems like a jolly feeble "urban legend" to me. Should it be nominated for deletion? - Runcorn 20:49, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I honestly don't know. The article isn't a hoax or utter nonsense, as I first suspected. There are several citations of the "Beast" on the web, and I added a link to one. But whether or not it's notable is a debatable point.Bjones 23:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Trampled By Turtles

hello there, I noticed that you tagged the article Trampled By Turtles about whether it met WP:MUSIC. I've expanded the article a bit since then, and i think it measures up to notability guidelines. would you mind checking it out and removing the tag if you think it's up to snuff? and if not, let me know how i can improve it. thanks, and keep up the good work.--Alhutch 03:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

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Independent film stub cat

Per your brilliant suggestion, we now have Category:Independent film stubs and {{indie-film-stub}}. Fire away. Cheers, Her Pegship 04:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Kewl.Bjones 13:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The Game-Players of Titan

Just wondered what the edit you made to the above article did. Not objecting of course, just wondered what the edit listed as "name order" did to the categories. I see no difference, but I'd appreciate picking up good habits on here Alastairward 08:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

That's just a phrase I use for lack of a better one when an edit will or could change the articles place in the alphabetical order of a category. In this case, I changed the text so that that the novel would show up under G for "game-players" instead of "T" for "the."Bjones 12:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Something useful to remember for next time, thanks. Alastairward 13:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Quick

Thanks for the quick revert there. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

• No prob. Guess there's trouble brewin'.Bjones 12:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up the Brad_the_Vampire page I started. Kelvingreen 16:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

• It's all good, baby!Bjones 01:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

David E. Wellbery page

Oops. This was my first time trying to create a new page from scratch, and it seems I have a copyvio issue. If it makes things easier, please just delete the page entirely (rather than sending it through a review). I'll be glad to write a new article from scratch. Please advise on what I should do now. Thanks! Universitytruth 18:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Albert Francis Cross

Hi Bjones,

I'm doing some research into the author Albert Francis Cross and I see you've made entries on his page. Do you know any more about him?

I'm doing some research into him and am stuck for sources. Are you able to help?

Thanks

Sctb

Not really. I think my contribution to that article was limited to a "wikify" tag.Bjones 12:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Alexander Rubovitch

The {{copyvio}} template takes a named parameter, so it has to be written as {{copyvio|url=http://...}}, not {{copyvio|http://...}}. I've corrected it. --ais523 13:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you. Yes, I just figured that out today. Wonder why some URL's have all the elements and some don't.Bjones 13:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Diplomat Contracting

I removed your speedy tag from this article and replaced it with a prod. Unfortunately (from my point of view) advertising/spam is not a valid criteria under Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. Dipics 16:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

• I guess. But when it's that blatant...Bjones 00:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Apizaco

Thanks :). The Spanish Wikipedia article of the same title has more information on it, so hopefully some of that info can be incorporated into the English article in the future. You're welcome to help with that :). Fabricationary 22:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Joni Mitchell and Shelly Manne??

Hello, Bjones. Just saw your addition of Joni Mitchell to the list of singers Shelly Manne performed with. I've followed Shelly Manne's work for a long time now, and have never had an inkling of this. Are you sure it isn't a mistake? If not, I'd love to know what Mitchell album Manne performed on. (Assuming it was an album and not a TV show or something.) Thanks, Alan W 03:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I see that you deleted the mistake. Thanks. In a way I'm disappointed. As you can probably tell from my heavy contributions to that article, I'm quite the Shelly Manne fan, and I was all ready to run out and buy a copy of whatever Joni Mitchell album he might have played on. Oh well. I didn't think it was likely, but it wasn't a total impossibility. By the way, thanks for catching my misspelling of "Teresa Brewer"; it's been wrong for two and a half years, and you're the first one who noticed it.--Alan W 13:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for adding the Hinduism stub cat. But I wonder how you could do so fast just unimaginable for me! I created the article at 19.44 and you came in at 19.46. VMO 14:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Brian JOnes???

Hey this is bradley. from iowa... yeah ive been active on Wikipedia.. looks like you have too. Anyway yeah I'm trying to get some support for the Theta Beta Potata article its been deleted a number of times. Right now it's in a Deletion Review (scroll down into August 23.. to check it out.. make sure you write something in. Thanx. Xsxex 18:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

As of now it looks like it's been redirected. The subject is at least treated in the punk house article.Bjones 12:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you explain reason for putting POV tag on page?

In which direction to you think it is POV? Do you have suggestions on how to fix it? LiftWaffen 11:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)