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Purdah

Salaam Basawala! Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it. You can go ahead and do that if you would like. I feel your edit would give the article a more aesthetic appearance. Actually, I'm glad you messaged me. I've been having to do several reverts. Today, I noticed that all my additions of the Hindi script to various articles were removed by Szhaider. While I respect his work on Wikipedia, I disagree with his position. I feel that it is alright to include Hindi scripts in Tere Bin, Fakir, Azad (disambiguation), and some Pakistani bands. I feel that the scripts are relevant in the articles as the terms are found in Hindi. Also, Pakistani bands are very popular in India. The language in which the Pakistani singers sing (Urdu) is readily understood by Hindi speakers and the songs are often included in Bollywood films. Similarly, Wikipedia Bollywood articles (i.e. Fanaa, Rang De Basanti, Anupam Kher) include both the Hindi and Urdu scripts for the same reason (popularity across the border and language intelligibility). I don't know if I was in the wrong by adding these scripts. Could you please let me know how you feel about this and help intervene? I will really appreciate your helpful advice. Thanks dost. Khuda hafiz, Anupam^Talk 22:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your insight. I agree with you on the fact that Pakistani films are not overly popular in India. However, from my view, Pakistani bands and their songs are extremely popular. For example, Jal is currently touring all over India (Jal). They are even nominated for the best Indian artist (MTV Asia). Also, Junoon's "Garaj Baras" was selected as part of a Bollywood movie soundtrack in 2003 for the Pooja Bhatt film Paap, which topped the charts again in India in 2004. I also think it was unjustified for Hindi to be removed from Tere Bin when it is extremely popular in India (Raaga top ten). I believe you added the Hindi script for that article. Strings was even nominated as an Indian band as they sang the title song "Zinda Hoon" for the Bollywood movie Zinda. All in all, Pakistani bands can be found on any Hindi movie site (i.e. Music India Online). Can you please let me know what you think of the situation in light of these facts? Thanks again. Khuda hafiz, Anupam^Talk 22:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I definitely agree. Thank you again for your insight. How do you think I should respond to all the reverts (see my contributions)? Would it be possible for you to discuss with Szhaider as well? I would really appreciate it. Please let me know. Thanks again for all your help. Khuda hafiz, Anupam^Talk 00:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help then. I'm going to try to find some other opinions on the topic. If I need your hlep, I'll let you know. Thanks again. Khuda hafiz, Anupam^Talk 01:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I've requested others to message to me about the topic. I will bring up the topic to Szhaider after I get the responses. koi baath nahi hai...sub ko kaam karna hai. Your edits and comments are important here on Wikipedia. I look forward to you returning in full capacity when the opportunity comes! Thanks again for all your help. Khuda hafiz, Anupam^Talk 01:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Will you pl. look at the controversy of 4 pursuits in Hinduism?

I wish that you look into 4 pursuits controversy in Hinduism.Swadhyayee 16:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcoming new users only

I don't quite understand how you came to welcome User:Whiskey Rebellion. Please avoid welcoming permanently blocked old users, as they're not really welcome. Bishonen | talk 22:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC).

hey

do you know of any kind of atheist terrorist groups

I'm sorry, but this is kind of random. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 20:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 12:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments by SMJayate

Dear Respected Basawala, Pleas refer to edits in Malegaon blasts. When you put something in a highlighted box please make sure there is at least evidence against him. Infact the word suspect alone is misleading. Suspectd by whom Police, Govt., media or muslim organizations. SMJayate 00:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

From EmoBookWorm (moved to talk by Basawala)

Hi I recently made this account and I have to Agree with you. I dislike Bush's actions my sister is in Iraq and I am afraid of what might happen to her. But I do highly respect him for being our president

comment

I will not refrain from such a comment because such a comment is true. Those users wanted to get of all scripts on english wikipedia and I know the muslim guild would definitely fight such a proposal. If anyone is creating a tense situation it is you posting posting urdu scripts all over the place without discussing it first and posting a subtle threat on my talk page. This comment is rather crude and might fit as being incivil. Please refrain from such comments as they make the atmosphere here in Wikipedia rather tense, which can cause such strong disputes that causes hatred between or among users. I hope you understand this, and try to be nice! Thank you and have a nice day. Enjoy your time on Wikipedia.--D-Boy 21:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

When you used the term crude, I found it rather insulting. As for the urdu, you were one of the first users to start putting them on bollywood bios such as the khans. This issue should have been discussed with everyone involved in WP India not just bollywood. Urdu is spoken buy a minute minority in India. Not even all indian muslims speak urdu. Some speak bengali. The indian president speaks tamil. The only country with urdu as a national language is pak. We are having this discussion at the scripts proposal. Even Zora is taking part in them. As for Hk, he as been under constant harassment as witnessed by the rfa. as for hatred among users, you can go talk to Szhaider (talk · contribs) about such things. Even more cool tempered users such ganesk and goethen have tried talking to him. The WP India template was changed because of him to be more neutral. Zai jin!--D-Boy 23:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought the devangari should come first since it's indic script plus I think it looks nicer. As for Zai jian, you are right. My basic madarin is extremely rusty. I should brush up.--D-Boy 06:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Sindi

It is not personal influence. Perso-arabic is foreign to the area. Devanagari and the the sindhi language is indic in origin and therefore the devangari should come first.--D-Boy 20:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

i'm sticking to my statement. it's as foreign as the moguls, ghazni and the sultanates.--D-Boy 20:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

So be it. Heaven will not wait for xiansheng basawala.....--D-Boy 23:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar

This case is now closed and the results have been posted above.

• BhaiSaab (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is banned for one year.
• Hkelkar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) editing under any name or anonymous ip is banned from Wikipedia for one year.
• TerryJ-Ho (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is banned for a year for personal attacks, disruptive comments, edit-warring and incivility.
• BhaiSaab is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.
• Hkelkar and socks is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.
• TerryJ-Ho is placed on probation for an indefinite period. He may be banned from any article or set of articles which he disrupts. All bans to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.

For the Arbitration committee, Cowman109^Talk 06:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I added my opinion on Talk:Sindhi language

Gizza^{Chat ©} 10:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

In Him was life, and that life was the Light of men. John 1:4 KJV

Dear Basawala,
Love came to a stable on that very special night to bring us out of darkness into His glorious light. May Jesus touch your life with gladness and warm your heart with love as we celebrate His birth. I hope you have a Blessed Christmas, Anupam^Talk 06:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I hope you had a good one and are looking forward to the new year! Khuda hafiz, Anupam^Talk 06:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome message

Hey! I saw your welcome template somewhere, and I must say, it's quite nice. I only have one thing to say, though...It directs new users to ask general questions about Wikipedia at the Village Pump. I really don't think that's the best place for questions, as I've always though the VP was more for technical discussions and proposals on changing large aspects of Wikipedia. I would be inclined to lead them towards the Help Desk or New Contributors' Help Page for such questions. *shrug* I just thought I'd toss it out there. Otherwise, happy editing, and best of luck ^^ —Keakealani·?·!·@ 05:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Please read

Hi! You might want to read my post: Talk:Saare_Jahan_Se_Achcha#Words_and_Meanings and give your feedback there. Thanks! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment about Taian

i know a lady from taian, she said its correct.

Regarding a warning

I am afraid I do not understand the nature of your warning. The article I apparently "vandalized" I have never seen or visited...Is it possible there has been a mistake? I am somewhat new and have just began writing articles, but so far I have only updated one article. I have no intention of vandalizing wikipeda. It is however possible that another computer on my network might have done it because we run through the same mandatory access point. Is there a possible way to fix this to avoid conflict? I always log in when I edit, so I am not sure what to make of this. Thank you for your concern on the reliability and validity of wikipeda though.

This is the site that the warning was given:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:71.235.187.1&redirect=no

and in case you want/need it here is my complete editing history:

01:14, 29 March 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Basawala (top) 19:31, 28 March 2007 (hist) (diff) Dexmethylphenidate (top) 19:27, 28 March 2007 (hist) (diff) Dexmethylphenidate 19:21, 28 March 2007 (hist) (diff) Dexmethylphenidate 19:20, 28 March 2007 (hist) (diff) Dexmethylphenidate 19:18, 28 March 2007 (hist) (diff) Image:FocalinXR.jpg (I created this image myself.) (top) 12:58, 28 March 2007 (hist) (diff) Dexmethylphenidate 00:53, 28 March 2007 (hist) (diff) Dexmethylphenidate (Added small amount of information about newer FocalinXR capsules.)

Thank you and may I add you are highly efficient and knowledgable at fixing these problems. Keep up the good work and thanks again for sorting that out!

Yes, those are the changes. The only way they can be seen on any other computer is if I log in and out. Would you know why this is?

Your edit to South San Francisco High School Erroneous warning by MartinBot

Your recent edit to South San Francisco High School (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Wikipedia articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // MartinBot 19:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

False positive, I was reverting vandalism where the word "gay" had been originally. Reported here. Good work though, these bots are usually extremely useful! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 19:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

"Disputed" Tag on BJP, RSS and Hinduunity article

There are "Neutrality Disputed" tags on the BJP, RSS and Hindu Unity pages. However, I don't believe any dispute has been discussed on the Talk Pages.

Did I miss something?--Vishnuchakra 19:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply. I was think the same thing about the state of the BJP, RSS and Hindu Unity pages. Hopefully I'll find some time to work on these articles and fix them over the summer. I'm a proponent of Hindutva, so my decision will be a bit biased. I'll discuss further action on the articles' Talk Pages. Thanks for the advice. --Vishnuchakra 14:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment about Yantai

In the article about Yantai there is a refrence under history to the word Langyan being associated with "wolf dung" when in fact the word means "wolf smoke" ChinaHeritageNewsletter.org Thanks for your time.75.74.149.180 22:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Need your help and input on something

Basawala, I nominated an article for Speedy Deletion as I felt it violated some basic Wikipedia policies and guidelines. However, the author has ignored my comments and is deleting the Speedy Deletion Tag. I won't be around for quite a while, so can you please help me solve this matter. He/She has accused me of promoting my "agenda", so I promised that I'd let an unbiased and experienced Wikipedia editor decide. Please leave your input on the article's Talk Page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_School_Ranking%2C_california

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:High_School_Ranking%2C_california

Thanks Vishnuchakra 21:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Smile

James, La gloria è a dio has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

I'm sorry, but it appears that there has been a confusion. I haven't change anything inside China webpage inside wikipedia. I'm behind a NAT, and as far as i now, the public ip that we have changes after some time, the addresses come from a pool of public addresses. So, i could have been anybody inside my NAT or even outside it, from somewhere else. I'm the administrator of this network, if you have any questions you can talk to me directly.

Felipe Castillo

hi

i am sorry not —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.106.59.90 (talk) 19:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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Article

Your current revision on Bhavishya Purana seems to be off line. Goto the Discussion page on Bhavihsya Purana article and check the sources that were used for article. Further your source/ref does not claim what you have mentioned. An check up with Reliable Source noticeboard and an regular background check will be done on your source. --RajivLal (talk) 19:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

You could not claim Bhavishya Purana not an source when it is an major role for Christians in South Asia and India. Further Bhavishya Purana is an Purana not no novel or fiction book. You need some serious help. --Rajput94 (talk) 05:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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Edit summaries

When making major changes or rewrites to an article, as you currently are at Uyghur language, please provide edit summaries to make things easier for other editors who are also working on those articles. Thank you, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll be providing edit summaries more regularly from now on. But I have indeed been providing them for my most major edits, just to let you know; most of the ones without summaries are minor. Also, I did indeed provide an edit summary and short explanation for why I removed that reference you re-added, but if I re-remove it, I will make a clearer explanation for you. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 18:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, apologies, I missed that summary. Anyway, I don't see why the reference is irrelevant; did you read it? It includes recordings of the native pronunciation of Uyghur and discussion of both native and English pronunciations, which is about as relevant as you can get (given that the statement it's supporting is about how "Uyghur" is pronounced). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree now, it's relevant- I definitely should have looked at it before I removed it, instead of counting on my memory. The reason I removed it was because the IPA for 'Uyghur' on the Wiki page was w/out final -r (which I now have added), when the audio from the blog included it. But the variant spellings of Uyghur are directly from the blog, which is why I agree now that the reference is needed. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 19:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Word-final r is sometimes dropped in Uyghur, or devoiced (which is the way I usually prefer to transcribe it, as [r̥ ]) . But I think [ɾ], the alveolar tap, is not an accurate transcription; that should probably be changed to a regular r or devoiced r̥ .rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Regarding this edit: χ and ʁ are uvular, not velar. Also, AFAIK χ is not a phoneme in standard Uyghur. The reason I included both ʁ and ɣ is because there is some disagreement over whether the sound written as "gh" in Latin script or غ in Uyghur Arabic script is a uvular trill or a velar fricative; I personally think it sounds like the trill (at least in all the speakers I know), but some people think it's the other (see, for example, the long discussion on the LL source I mentioned above).

The basic phonology is this: Uyghur has /k/, /g/, /q/, and /gh/ (writing it that way to avoid any phonetic claims). These four sounds often pattern together and vary in predictable ways. /k/ and /g/ are both 'front' consonants, while /q/ and /gh/ are back; /k/ and /q/ are considered voiced, while /g/ and /q/ are considered unvoiced. Suffixes tend to alternate depending on the vowel harmony and voicing of the root, so for example the dative/directive suffix is /kæ/-/gæ/-/qa/-/gha/. Thus, for a word with front vowels and a voiced sound at the end, you use /gæ/ (ie, yrymchi-gæ), front vowels and voiceless you get kæ (myshyk-kæ), back vowels and voiced you get /gha/ (dostum-gha), and back vowels voiceless you get /qa/ (qulaq-qa). Anyway, the main point is, ʁ is associated with q, not with x/χ . rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Other things: putting (f) in parentheses or otherwise marking it is probably a good idea, AFAIK it only occurs in loanwords.

[v] and [w] are allophones, both written the same way and as far as I know they never signal a difference in meaning. It's mostly personal preference that determines how a speaker pronounces them (for example, my teacher pronounces it [v] in velsipit "bike" and veqe "accident" and hever "news", but as [w] in way-wuy (interjection) and a bunch of other words). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your description, but I don't think I needed it- it was just a careless mistake putting X,R in the velar section; I fixed it. I'm using Hahn's Spoken Uyghur as my source, which has the most accurate phonological description of Uyghur to my knowledge. He uses w, and the pair of uvular fricatives as the default phonemes instead of v and either velar fricatives or uvular trills. I put w and X/RR as the default phonemes, since Uyghur has a lot of allophonic variation. Since Which books/sources have you used for Uyghur, or where have you studied Uyghur, may I ask? There are very few English sources, so I'm just trusting Hahn until I take a better look at de Jong's book Modern Uyghur Grammar, but I think Hahn has a better phonological description. Thanks. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 21:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

What exactly are the errors/inaccuracies in Hahn? I've only noticed a few spelling differences. As for x vs gh, I listened to these pronunciation videos: [1] and [2]. I think the default phoneme for x and gh should be either uvular (or postvelar?) voiceless fricative, and uvular trill. I'd say that the velar fricatives do occur, but only as allophones, especially near /i/. Would you rather keep x and gh as velar fricatives on the consonant chart? Which is to say, which phonemes do you think are default, and what sources would corroborate it? Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 22:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks like Hahn lists the underlying representation as [G], and [R] and [ɣ] as allophones. Actually, that makes sense to me—given that "gh" goes with "q", it would make sense for both their URs to be uvular stops. It also manages to include all the differentp pronunciations that people argue over, and fits with the fact that a lot of students, I think, mispronounce this sound as [g] sometimes...that may just be because they've seen the "gh" in orthography, but it could also be because they sometimes hear Uyghurs pronounce [G] in a few positions (such as in bashlanghuch). His version might be controversial for some people, though, since the UR he's proposing is not one that you hear very often (I think [R] and [ɣ] show up a lot more, since their environments are more common, and so that's what people hear the most often)...I like it, but I could imagine some people getting up in arms if they see a Uyghur phoneme inventory that has [G] and doesn't have [R] or [ɣ].

As for [x], that one isn't really relevant, it's not part of the alternation with k/g/q/gh .

As for sources, I think the Introduction to ULS is good, and Hahn might also be (my previous comment about it was based on a misunderstanding about your earlier edit; I haven't really read it other than skimming the bit about "gh" just now, but it looks decent).

btw, in response to your other question: I studied Uyghur at University of Indiana. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Would you be okay with it if I moved x to /χ/ and gh from ɣ to ʀ? I know that this wouldn't really help the k/g/q/gh alternation but that could be explained later. It's just that I prefer χ and ʀ as the most characteristic phoneme. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 22:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

"gh" can probably be at any of χ, ɣ, or ʀ (or even ɢ, according to Hahn's theory). "x", though, is a bit of a problem...while Hahn lists is at χ, everything else I know (including ULS) lists it as x. Who knows, maybe this is the influence of Pinyin, or maybe it's real; but in any case, it shouldn't be mixed up with k/g/q/gh. In real speech it's likely that "x" and "gh" have a lot of overlap in their pronunciations, depending on the context...but for a consonant chart it's important, I think, to ignore allophones and just get the URs listed. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

More

There were a couple problems with this edit. First of all, there's nothing non-native about x, or about χ~ʁ~ɣ ; they're both part of the native phonology. (ʒ and f, though, are only used in loanwords, and I like your idea of marking them.) Secondly, you may have duplicated a phoneme; you listed both χ and ʁ~ɣ . Really, χ~ʁ~ɣ are all part of the same phoneme and written with the same letter (as is Hahn's ɢ); it is possible that χ also appears as an allophone of x in certain environments, but it's not necessary to list all allophones of every sound (we don't in any other language articles, AFAIK, such as English language). I think our best bet is just to settle for only one thing to list with this one (the most likely candidates are ʁ and ɣ, they're the ones that people talk about the most) and only mention the others in a note, not within the table itself. As for ŋ~ɴ, I think the same thing applies: just mention one UR, and list the other in a footnote if necessary. ŋ seems to be the one that most people consider the UR (ɴ might just be the allophone that comes up when it's in word-initial position, such as when you're naming the letter ڭ). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree about not listing the different phonemes. But /x/ is in only used in loanwords (at least according to Hahn), for example it doesn't come word-initially in any native word. I'll try to modify it again according to your feedback, if you have issues with it, please comment first before reverting, since at least some of my changes were uncontroversial. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 21:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

How does this look for a table? The idea I had (and am trying out here) is to leave notes out of the table (partly because it makes the letters not line up) and instead discuss the tricky parts in prose (below the table is a list of all the points that would need to be hit).

Consonants

	Labial		Dental		Post- alveolar		Velar		Uvular		Glottal
Nasal		m		n				ŋ
Stop	p	b	t	d	ʧ	ʤ	k	ɡ	q		ʔ
Fricative	f		s	z	ʃ	ʒ	x			ʁ	h
Trill				r
Approximant						j		w
Lateral				l

• ŋ is also pronounced as uvular [ɴ]
• w is also pronounced as [v]
• f is only in recent loans; often substituted with [p]
• discussion of غ

About [x]: there are tons of words that have it, it's certainly not on the same level as [f] and [ʒ] which are only present in fairly recent and obvious borrowings (proper nouns and technology terms). Some words with [x] might come from Persian or Arabic (I don't have an etymological dictionary handy), but such words have all been part of the language for hundreds of years and are comparable to words of French/Latin origin in English (which make up over half of our language...). Thus, even if it originally came from other languages (which I'm not sure about), it is certainly fully assimilated into the language by now, unlike [f] and [ʒ] which are quite uncommon and only present in recent borrowings. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree about /x/. By the way, I might actually prefer to have the notes go into prose, since there are other just as notable phenomena about Uyghur phonology. But I'm not sure about this, I might end up preferring notes; I'll have to see what fits best. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 21:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

The main problem with notes, I think, is just that it causes voiced/unvoiced consonants in the table not to be properly lined up anymore. For an example of an article that uses table+prose instead of table+notes, you can see the chart at Ottawa language. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll leave you to format the table :). By the way, how are you typing Uyghur Arabic-derived script? Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 00:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I had to download a special font and keyboard. When I have some more time I'll try to find the link for you. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't bother, I have the same :). I believe it's from oyghan.com or something like that. Anyways, sorry for the bad referencing, it was another careless mistake, I assume Reinhard was his last name. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 02:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, I think that's the same one I have. It works pretty well, except ئى doesn't show up well in medial or initial positions and ئە in anywhere other than medial positions... rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, not on standard font thats support the Arabic script. Which brings me to wonder why most of the pages on Uyghur Wikipedia are set to Tahoma, which like most fonts are horrible for Uyghur. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 03:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd venture to guess that about 50% of Uyghur Wikipedia is written in Latin script. Things are a bit of a mess over there right now, but unfortunately I don't know enough Uyghur to be very active. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually I think most of the Latin-script links on the main page redirect to Ereb script, which apparently is forced to not be displayed correctly by specifying Tahoma font in the header... Uyghur Wikipedia needs a huge reform (including the promised script translit tool). Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 03:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey! - Uyghur

Hey, I was looking at the Uyghur language article, which apparently you are editing heavily. It definitely looks like there's a lot to be done, but I'm sure there's enough info out there to get it up to Good Article status eventually. I would recommend, however, using inline citation for pretty much all of the facts which get added -- it looks like that's the article's major weak point right now. Mo-Al (talk) 22:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I haven't been careful about adding the source, but I'll go ahead and do that. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 22:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hey Basawala, I wanted to ask for help in starting an article on the Urdu Wikipedia about Ram Narayan. He lived in Lahore so I thought this was a good idea. Perhaps you could be so kind to translate the introduction? Thanks! Hekerui (talk) 22:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Basawala. I just wanted to ask if you are still interested in helping regarding my message. Thank you. Hekerui (talk) 11:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hi Basawala. I remember that you have been quite active on the Uyghur language article, and if you're interested in Uyghur issues I'd like to invite you to offer comments or suggestions on the featured article review of July 2009 Ürümqi riots, located here. Thanks, rʨanaɢ (talk) 15:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC)