User talk:Armanaziz/Archive01

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Arman

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Welcome to wikipedia. You might also want to take a look at the Bangla Wikipedia. Thanks. --Ragib 08:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

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Good work

Hi Arman, Nice work in the tagging of BD-related articles. Please keep it up. I was on a wiki-break for the last month, but now I'm back, and I'm happy to see the work you've done. If you have time, please do check out the Bangla wikipedia. Thanks. --Ragib 01:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Konnie Huq

Hi, I have removed the notability tag you placed on this article. The subject is quite obviously well above the baseline required; please refer to WP:NOTABILITY if you are unfamiliar with the guidelines. Devious Viper 14:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

You state "Hi, I don't want to get into a lengthy debate with you on notability. Wikipedia is full of users who are adding hundreds of "trivial" items in it while important topics are being left out. My mission is not to go after all of them. But I couldn't agree that Konnie Huq passes the Notability requirement of wikipedia. Wikipedia's notability requirement is -

"a topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, reliable published works, whose sources are independent of the subject itself.

What constitutes "published works" is broad and encompasses published works in all forms, including but not limited to newspapers, books and e-books, magazines, television and radio documentaries, reports by government agencies, scientific journals, etc." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Armanaziz (talk • contribs) 02:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)."

I am at a loss to see how Huq fails your notability requirement. Have you read the article? Have you Googled her name? She absolutely meets the quoted requirement above! Devious Viper 02:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Sari

You put a Bangladesh template on the sari article. Well, the sari is also worn in India, Sri Lanka, and Pakistan. Putting all those templates up on top of the page is pointless. I'm going to remove the template. The article is about clothing, not about nationalism. Zora 07:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

If you put the Bangladeshi template, then all the other countries where the sari is worn will add their templates, and one or two screens will be devoted to huge flaunting nationalistic templates. This whole project template thing is a mistake. Zora 08:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Basel II

Hi there, just stopped by to appreciate your nice work on Template:Basel II. I am reading up on the topic as I will be starting work on it soon. Nice to see u are from a neighbouring country as well. Cheers — Lost^(talk) 12:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

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Sari article

Aziz, that's a very bad article. It is full of dubious unsourced statements and it is badly written. I wouldn't send anyone there.

I am sure that there are good articles in Banglapedia, but this is not one of them. Zora 05:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't be driven by nationalistic issues because I'm not South Asian. The Hindu nationalists hate me. They've accused me of being Pakistani. As a matter of fact, the Iranian nationalists hate me too -- one of them accused me of being a Bangladeshi. All I can say is, if I'm Bangladeshi, I want the appropriate jewelry and saris for my new role in life.

This isn't about nationalism. This is about adding quality links. The article isn't very good. If you wrote it, well, I'm sorry to be blunt, but it could use some improvement. References would help greatly. You possibly have access to histories of costume in languages that I can't speak or read. Good *academic* works. Quotations in the original, then translations, would be helpful. Sober, skeptical historical method would help too. Bring the article up to snuff and I don't think anyone would oppose the link. In fact, we might steal some of your work. Zora 05:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Bangla Wikipedia

Here are my answers, inline:

i) I don't have Bengali typing skills.

Have you tried using Avro or other phonetic Bangla typing tools? I don't have any Bangla typing skills either. But in phonetic typing tools, the tool converts your keystrokes into Bangla as you type. So, to type আরমান, you'd have to type only a-r-m-a-n. So, no memorizing needed. We are also integrating the phonetic typing keyboards with the bn-wiki edit boxes, so in future, you won't have to type anything.

ii) is it adding much academic/ educational value? Whoever can log into wikipedia to read bangla articles should also be able to read the english ones and understand their meaning. The opposite is not true for non-Bengalis.

You are quite mistaken in this!! As part of my personal research, I wrote a paper about the readability of Wikipedia articles. It turns out that, even for native speakers, the average English wikipedia article requires 12 to 15 years of education. For featured articles, the average is 19 to 13 years of education. So, how do you expect someone from Bangladesh opening up an English wikipedia article and understand everything?

Have you ever seen a general purpose encyclopedia in Bangla? Banglapedia is there, but it is ONLY about the south asian history/culture related topics, and quite limited. In 50 years, if you don't have anything online, it will virtually disappear from the world. If we don't start building the Bangla wikipedia right away, our language will go down the drain. Sure, when information is needed, it will be available in English. But if people require English knowledge to gain information, Bangla as a language gets seriously undermined. You surely can't expect school students to be able to understand US High school/college level English, do you? If we don't start providing this base for the next generation, Bangla will cease to exist online. (You might ask how many people have Internet access. Well, not too many now, but we are planning a CD release for rural schools.)

Anyway, I hope you understand my point. Everything has a starting point, and 6 years ago, the same questions could have been asked about English Wikipedia. Bangla wikipedia is just now getting out of its shell ... but we expect it to proliferate in a few years. Already, unicode based Bangla is taking its root in the Internet. --Ragib 05:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, convincing. I'll try to explore more abut Avro - it sounds very interesting. And I accept your argument on need of Bnagla Wikipedia. May be once I figure out a way of typing in Bangla, I'll contribute there as well. However, right now English wkipedia remains my priority.-Arman Aziz 05:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• I'm late to respond on this discussion. Brother Ragib raised excellent point here. I totally agree with him. খুবই চমৎকার আলোচনা  :)--NAHID 18:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject History of Bangladesh

WikiProject History of Bangladesh has started. It needs members and participants. Aditya Kabir 11:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

A category created by you has been nominated for discussion

Happy Editing by Snowolf^(talk)_CON^COI on 00:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Education in Bangladesh, please, help

I have started working on the article Education in Bangladesh. It was in an extremely bad shape. The last few edits were turning it into a motley hotchpotch of text, link and image for private university/English medium agenda-pushers. Even without that the article had little content. I have began by putting in an enormous amount of fresh text, and even more massive amount of resource links (Banglapedia, government sites and downloadable pdf links). Now the real work should begin. Would you lend a hand in this? I can't do it alone. Do you have anyone else in mind who might help? That person doesn't need to be Bangladeshi. Aditya Kabir 17:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC) - please, answer to my talk page

I guess, a shortening of the sections Education in Bangladesh#Education system and Education in Bangladesh#Education management would be a good place to begin. Both has way too much copy. And, while doing it, please, lend a hand in removing the POV out of these two sections as well. Much of it reads like government press handouts. In-line citation can happen later, I think. I hope you dont mind this request. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 16:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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Please refer to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hojamal Ho-Arman Aziz 07:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Shahbag/archive2

I have just put the article to peer review. Would you care to take a look? Aditya Kabir 20:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject History of Bangladesh

I have just discovered your tagging of Bangladesh project articles. Pretty neat. Can you do the same for Wikiproject History of Bangladesh articles, too? Check the project page for ideas. You can also help recruiting (see the project page). Cheers. Aditya Kabir 17:10, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Article statistics

That table is for general Bangladesh articles, may be not too appropriate on the history project page. In fact I am kind of inclined to keep the assessment thing associated with the mother project (like the Indian Cinema project), since there are not too many articles even in the mother project. Do you think it's alright if we removed the table for article statistics, and rather put a link there to lead to the mother project? Aditya Kabir 10:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I've removed it.-Arman Aziz 10:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

About Upazilas in Bangladesh articles

Thanks to Arman Aziz for your change on Upazila articles. I was not following any changes during my vacation. I am just back from Bangladesh. I am so happy to see the new look of the Map. Please visit also Bishnupriya Manipuri wiki, I am an admin on that wiki. Recently I am trying to create a Dhaka City labeled map: ঢাকা শহরর থানাগির মানচিত্রগ, please suggest me on that or any suggestion for better. Thanks again.--Usingha 14:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Turag River image

An image of the Turag would be far from easy to procure. Sure, it doesn't have to be as exotic as the one currently in the article, but I've really no idea how we'd go about getting a good quality commons photo. Perhaps we could ask at the Wikiproject? It seems to move slowly, though. Alyoshenka 21:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

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History of aviation in Bangladesh - help needed

I have started an article on History of aviation in Bangladesh, which includes two stub sections - Bangladesh Air Force and Biman Bangladesh Airlines. Could you help the article by assimilating short historical excerpts from the respective pages into the aviation history page (with refs taken from main article)? Thanks. Aditya Kabir 14:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

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Image:CTG-Flood.gif

Hi, I saw that you uploaded that TRMM image of the rainfall totals over Bangladesh. However, you uploaded a low-resolution version. The tropical cyclones and meteorology projects at Wikipedia (and most other articles for that matter) use the high-res versions. When I tried to upload the high res version provided by NASA, I realised that you uploaded the file as a .gif - when the original is a .jpg file. I've uploaded the high-resolution version at Image:2007 Bangladesh mudslides TRMM.jpg now, so you might want to ask that the above linked file (the .gif) be deleted. Cheers, – Chacor 10:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

FAC

Hi - I have submitted Language movement for FAC. I request your input at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Language movement. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 19:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Language movement

Hi, Language movement is in WP:FAC, and with User:Rama's Arrow's departure, the article needs more eyes and minds in order to clear FAC. So, could you do some copyedit, and handle some concerns expressed in the FAC page? Thanks. --Ragib 06:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and asking for more

Thanks for your support with the Language movement article, but as Ragib bhai said, we are in a difficult situation. I helped a bit with the article, but not a good copyeditor yet. And some concerns shown in the candidacy page are going above my head. So please help, I'm ready to do whatever you say. Tarif from Bangladesh 07:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

we'll try to sort it out. REGARDS - Tarif from Bangladesh 11:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Gone to review

I have put myself for an editor review at Wikipedia:Editor review/Aditya Kabir. Check. Aditya Kabir 05:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Please check

Dwaipayan has worked over your issues on Language Movement. Please have a look. Thanks for pointing it out. Tarif from Bangladesh 20:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Coordinates! But, why?

Coordinates are for geographical locations, as in cities, towns, mountain peaks, lakes and such other stuff. Why did you put coordinates to Grameen Bank? Aditya Kabir 09:16, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I put coordinates of Grameen Bank head office - like we have coordinates for Jatiyo Sangsad Bhaban, Bangladesh National Museum or even Dhaka University. Even Geography of Bangladesh has its own coordinates. In these days, coordinates in wikipedia serve a more important role than pure informational. It helps link wikipedia with other reference software like "Google-earth". From that point, it seemed appropriate to add the coordinates to Grameen Bank article. Also, I believe there is no specific policy on which articles should or should not have coordinates. [Is there any such wiki-policy? If so, I'd love to oblige]. To me the coordinates in the header section of an article is simply a way to put the article in a geographic context.-Arman Aziz 01:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Wahaha Danone joint venture

I just created this article on this very topical subject. The subject matter would make for a good featured article, so I am hoping to enlist your help to get it there qualitatively. Ohconfucius 03:56, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh/Collaboration

I have shifted the wonderful table you created to the main project page. I also have fixed your collaboration candidate nomination - Bangladesh Liberation War. Please, check. I have started working on a rehash of the Bangladesh Wikiproject to make it more useful and more interactive. But, without help that would be impossible for me. May be we can start a discussion on the project talk page. Aditya Kabir 18:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Further notice. I have made massive changes to the main project page. Please, check for mistakes. I may have left quite a few mistakes there, especially when it comes to tagging every new page created with a Category:WikiProject Bangladesh tag. I also have shifted the hisotry of Bangladesh project to history of Bangladesh workgroup. But, a lot of templates and stuff remain unchanged. I will take another attempt to fix that tomorrow. You can take a look at what you can do. And, oh, please, let me know if you need any help with your work with hte project. Aditya Kabir 20:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

One more thing... I seem to have completely missed your answer to the coordinate issue (well, i expected a note on my talk page, everybody does that... I apologize). Now that I have noticed it, I think I agree with you. Are there any other pages, apart from Bangladesh articles, that carry geographic coordinates like the instances you put? Cheers. Aditya Kabir 20:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Forgive me

I have deprecated Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Bangladesh and made it Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh/History Workgroup. I also have mass migrated the participants from the former project to the new workgroup. May be I was a little too bold here. Forgive me for doing this without consultation. The move was a part of the effort to rehash the entire Bangladesh project. If you and other participants agree, the next step should be deleting the previous page. Hopefully, The new workgroup would improve the level of activity related to coordinating our efforts. Please, respond to my talk page. Aditya ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Encyclopedic picture

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For you wonderful work on Portal:Bangladesh and Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh and, of course, your endless contrubtions to Bangladesh article, particularly in tagging them. Aditya(talk • contribs) 13:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha... now you are being critical of your own good work. I was so scared to see Shahbag going to FA! In fact for a long time simply ignored Ragib's comments that it should go to FAC. Well, I think the picture is pretty encyclopedic, as it shows the bridge where it took the great curve, it shows the river on the side, and who says beauty isn't encyclopedic? Brilliant prose is a prerequisite of FAs, and there's an entire gang of Wikifairies dedicated to make a better looking encyclopedia. In fact I am looking for some way to improve the looks of Template:Private Universities of Bangladesh, which, with the middle alignment is looking quite ugly. Unfortunately my judgement tells me to keep away from it till I have a universally agreed reason to do so (the owners of the public university agenda would not like it). Okay, to cut the long story short, I think you should submit the image to the featured image candidacy. I can do that, too, if you allow me to. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 13:43, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Bangladesh Liberation War

Perhaps I'm even more interested in Bangladesh Liberation War. I am going to Rangpur today and probably will come back in a week. I will contact to you for specific information when I'll come back. Thanks and regards --Tarif from Bangladesh 03:22, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Help with Table - Bangladesh Liberation War

Replied. → AA ^(talk) — 08:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Re Bangladesh Portal

Thanks for the request on the Bangladesh Portal. I will try to help in whatever way possible. Take care. Antorjal 03:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks for bringing this portal to everyone's attention. I also thought about this portal (featured status) when I first read Portal:West Bengal and Portal:London. I'm glad to help. Thank you--NAHID 18:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

First of all sorry for late reply. I was in Rangpur for about a week and lost contact of Wikipedia. Anyway, Thanks for calling me for this. I was interested in this portal for a while but later lost it's touch. I will try to help in achieving the status. Hopefully I can start working from tomorrow. Regards --Tarif from Bangladesh 11:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Congrates for giving it a new look. I was thinking about starting a on this day type of section in the portal. Now that I have seen this in Australian portal, my interests have grown even bigger. If you are interested about it, please let me know. It would be very kind of you to let me know directly (on my talk page) what you want me to do. I am kind of busy and may not be able to see all those discussion and peer review pages. So please CALL me. :() Regards --Tarif from Bangladesh 18:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi I have found some DYK's for you. Here they are:

• Bangladesh Nazrul Sena, Bara Katra, History of Dhaka, Shaista Khan, Bangabhaban, Mujibnagar, Noapara-Ishanchandranagar and Muhammad Mansur Ali-- by user:Rama's Arrow
• Armenian community of Dhaka, Hakim Habibur Rahman--by user:Aditya Kabir
• Mukh O Mukhosh --by user:Ragib

there should be more. I'll look for them. I'll look for Muktijuddho also. Regards --Tarif from Bangladesh 11:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Portal header

Well, I thought the flag colors do make a nice statement for the portal. But, I also agree that Bangladesh flag colors are not pleasing aesthetically. You can revert the use of flag colors fine, or do you think I should be doing it? About the spacing all I can say is the breaks are not included when you move them to the noinclude section. I really feel that those big tabs ("Main', "Indices" and "Projects") should have a little space before going onto the lead box. Thank you. (P.S. Nice work on the portal! Fantastic.) Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 07:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry dear, I just wanted to lend a hand, as I believe the featured portals are no bibles, the way of putting the breaks in the intro section and not the header section is a fixed rule, and it is visually more pleasing to have a little space as opposed to cramming things together tightly. And, oh, I thought you had no more concerns about the breaks and said "you're welcome". It seems that I was wrong on all counts, and therefore are putting my hands off. Cheers. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 10:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, no! There I go. Bad communication skill. Sorry dear... I just wanted to tell that you're on, and I got a few things wrong. Once again, great work you're doing there. (but, I'd like to support the featured portal status a bit while later, it's too soon, and so far it's been just one person driving, feeding and running the whole stuff) Cheers. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 12:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I have finally figured out the problem. Take a look at the Australia Portal and the Bangladesh Portal. What do you see? The bigger box that contains all the smaller boxes has a consistent background (i.e. a light metallic blue) in Australia Portal, but it turns white right on top of the tabs where the title "Bangladesh Portal" is written (though patches of blue is still visible between tabs). That is what makes the tabs look odd. I was wrong in thinking it could be solved by putting more breaks in. Can you get the colors right?

Post script In hindsight, your mention of the Portal Workgroup may not have been so trivial. Inspired by your quoting of the guidelines, I checked them again, and have found that the criterion do mention a maintenance structure (i.e. a Wikiproject) to help the portal. Forgive my naiveté.

Post post script. Don't, please, look forward to a demotion of the portal when it becomes inactive. May be you could start a campaign to attract participants. Cheers. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 03:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

It's time to.....:)

Hello,
Y Done (Template:Private Universities of Bangladesh). At last we did it. Like other foreign university templates, no other red link exist in it at all (আমরা আর পিছিয়ে রবো না). What a long journey was it? Thank you--NAHID 19:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

• Thanks for the barnstar . I really appreciate it.--NAHID 06:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for my late response

I'm really sorry for my late response as I was extremely busy these days due to some personal issues and could not manage enough time to spend at WP. Anyway, I tried to add some suggestions regarding Bangladesh Portal at its discussion page. Please have a look. Niaz bd 17:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Getting a Branstar is always a great feel, but sometime Branstar itself feels like Branstared when they get the chance to be placed beside a name like you. For your Single Man Show at Bangladesh Portal. -- Niaz bd 17:33, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		My comments against featuring Portal:Bangladesh yet at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Bangladesh notwithstanding, you have made every single Bangladeshi Wikipedian proud. I wish I could have one quarter of your energy someday. Aditya(talk • contribs) 01:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the Barnstar. I'll be more active in WP from next month, as I'm traveling through the US right now. --Ragib 01:08, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

bn wikisource

I shall participate in making Bangladesh portal featured. Moreover, I have a request to you. Please visit this page: m:Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Bengali_2 and add your name in favour of creating bangla wikisource. -- Hermitage17 10:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:WP Bangladesh

You have added a few new parameters regarding the Bangladesh Portal to the template, but you have left no note or indication of how to use it. Can you, please, take a look into the matter? And, oh, I have earlier added comments to the thread "Re: Portal header" above. Can you take a look at the issue raised there? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 18:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I have continued discussion on portal header on your talk page, please take a look. As for Template:WP Bangladesh, I did describe how the new parameters should be used under the usage section when I added those parameters. I am not sure what more is required. Arman Aziz 01:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I can see that now. I was looking for the word "featured" or something. My mistake. Nothing more is required. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 03:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Your email

It seems that your email isn't confirmed/enabled yet, so I can't send you an email via wikipedia. --Ragib 07:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Vote for the bug of creating bengali wikisource

There is another formality in creating bangla wikisource. The bug is to be accepted. The bug request is here: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10907. Pleas go there and Vote for the bug of creating bengali wikisource. -- Khan Muhammad 21:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you lend a hand?

I just came across {{Upgrading needed}}. Can we have something in the similar line for Bangladesh articles? May be AA can help as well. {{Film More Information}} may be worth taking a look as well. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Are you talking specifically about Bangladesh films related articles or all articles in general? Arman Aziz 05:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Articles in general, I guess. The current template is on films, true, but the idea seems very nice. The codes involved look kind of nightmarish to a technologically handicapped person like me, though. :( Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 14:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

• {{Upgrading needed}} gives specific directions on how a stub class film related article can be upgraded to start class. I cannot think of a way to come up with such specific instructions for articles on diverse topics covered by WP:BANGLADESH. If you have a good set of instuctions in mind, please let me know what they are - I won't mind creating the template. Arman Aziz 09:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. I'm not sure we can come up with generic guidelines for all types of articles. This is best tackled at the workgroup level with specific guidelines for geography, history etc. If you guys can create the template itself, I can tie it into the workgroup template so that it shows up in appropriate articles of stub class. → AA ^(talk) — 09:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

So, how about one for the geography workgroup? That should be pretty standardized. What would a Bangladesh location article ideally need? Let's see:

1. History (including: History during the Liberation War)
2. Geography (including: Location, Landmarks and Environment)
3. Demography (including: Ethnography and Famous people)
4. Administration (including: Current Administration)
5. Economy (including: Employment, Industry, Agriculture and Commerce)
6. Infrastructure (including: Transport, Health and Education)
7. Photograph
8. Map

There may be other necessary components, and all of the above may not be applicable to all locations indiscriminately, but this may be a nice basic structure. Say what? Sorry if I have tried to dump something I thought a good idea without explaining, or even thinking much. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 16:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Can I request you guys to post a note to my talk page to keep my poor self abreast of the replies, please? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 16:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I have created the first draft here. You two can take it up from here. I'm not very interested. I feel my time will be better spent by actually working on articles than creating instructions for unknown editors. Arman Aziz 07:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

And I have linked it into the main template so that it shows if class=stub and geography=yes. → AA ^(talk) — 08:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both. And, apologies for distracting Arman from creating articles. Cheers, dude, I wish you can go back to creating articles now. I guess, I should begin to learn the codes better. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 09:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Shaheedur Rahman

Sorry! We were both improving the article at the same time there. Sorry to tread on your toes there pal. Nick mallory 10:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Redlinks

An encyclopedia ideally should be more about information than looking good. If the article on Muhammad Yunus needs a section on Grameen initiatives than the initiatives need to be named. And, if an organization is notable enough to be named, than it ideally should have some content on the encyclopedia. While helping three articles to move to FA status, this is the least I could learn. Besides, creating new articles on Grameen initiatives is more of an worthwhile exercise than creating overlapping portals. Encyclopedias are about the articles, and these potential articles are much more important than a lot of other Bangladeshi organization articles. Forgive me if I am wrong on anything here. Please, let them be there for a while, I promise to create articles for them. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 04:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

May be I was wrong to think that a Nobel Peace Prize winner's works are worthwhile, even when those works are victims of systemic bias and does not return many hits at google, the basic criterion for inclusion in an encyclopedia. May be I was wrong again to think that creating a portal on a long defunct geographical entity (i.e. Bengal) to recycle articles and images that are already material for two other portals (i.e. Bangladesh and West Bengal) are not important. May be I was even more wrong in thinking that it is important to create the redlinks and then create the articles one after another (I have already created half a dozen of them) rather than waiting for an admin or a copyeditor to come and tell that you need to do it. Forgive me for my mistakes. I hope "my friend" Nahid shall also understand. I am but only human. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 13:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Thanks, dear. It really means a lot. Though I wish, I could be half as diligent as you are or Tarif or Nahid or Niaz or AA is. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 06:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

While you are busy with real life, I am willing to lend support to keep your great work on the Bangladesh portal. Sorry that I'll not probably dabble at the other two portals you created, since, you know, I don't really agree on those. But, that shouldn't stop me from collaborating on the portal I appreciate so much. Right. Well, since I am no good at portal till now, can you please post me a list of things that would need an intervention? I'll definitely try to follow the tasks you lay out there. Cheers. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 15:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your offer of help. Any help on any of the portals on wikipedia is welcome. The one section that needs regular update in Portal:Bangladesh is the news section. Many of the articles that you start or significantly expand often go into DYK section of the mainpage. Please feel free to include those items in one or more of the different randomly rotating DYK sections on Bangladesh portal -you can access all of them from the archive page. Apart from these the selection and nomination of selected article, biograpy and picture and where in Bangladesh sections need to be rolled every month. But the main task is really to create and improve more articles that the portal can pick from. Arman Aziz 04:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The last task is something I keep myself busy with anyways. DYK, where in and picture I think I can handle fine. But, there's not too many general or biographical articles of good quality that fit the portal, I guess. I'll still see what I can do. Thanks for the help. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 09:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Post Script The moment I came across this Template:Random portal component, I remembered you. Probably you have already seen it. If you haven't may be you'd like to take a look. Interesting template. Cheers. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 12:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. We are already using this template for the "Did you know..." section of Portal:Bangladesh. Arman Aziz 01:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

From IUB talk

The following part of my comment at Talk:Independent University, Bangladesh, as it seems much inappropriate there. I hope you don't mind.

The point you said you were trying to make isn't really coming across from your comments there, rather the concern for a waste of time and energy is coming through more strongly. As for Nahid, he has gone and tagged two very tiny stubs - Palattu Koman and Rajamanickam - created by me for list to prose (I have complied to both requests, and the results look very nice, I guess. No harm done). I'm not really sure how you came to know what point he was making.

And, oh, by the way could you avoid words like "useless", "meaningless", "pointless", "worthless", "wasteful" and a whole host of such words put in a judgmental way, as well as bolding an accusation, when you begin a discussion. Those are really deterrents to discussions, you know. If you really want to question a point, you always can question it instead of passing a judgment. There is a subtle difference between saying - "You are totally wrong and you stand against the policies" - and saying - "Are you sure you are in perfect agreement with the policies?" I know you can start quoting my incivility right away instead of thinking about the proposition, but my not being perfect shouldn't ideally stop you from trying it :)... right?.

Ragib, you, Tarif, Niaz and Nahid seem to be the most active Bangladeshi Wikipedian around, and currently you are making the most diligent contributions here. It hurts me very much to face rudeness from such a valuable partner (yep, I work on Bangladesh articles, too). One more question, since lately you've been either putting down or ignoring most of the questions and requests I am putting to you, can you explain what's wrong here? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 06:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

May be I am just confused which questions I am expected to answer and which questions are for rhetoric purposes only. Arman Aziz 06:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

There was just one question which you sought out and answered brilliantly. My god, you put me to shame completely. That was very insensitive of me. And, oh, I have just read your last comment on the Wikiproject portal talk page. My, you have really come to hate me! Really, seems like it's been quite some time you've been hating me. But, don't you think it should be me who is to be more hurt here? And, since I am feeling really guilty, I think I'd relive some of it through refreshing our memory a bit. These incidents of rudeness goes back quite a bit (wow, how we can strike up a history!).

Remember the incident of the portal-header where you went ballistic at my efforts to get it right (I don't get this. Why are you moving the breaks out of the no include section again? Can't you see it is abnormally distorting the portal pages?), and eventually I managed to figure out the problem and take it to you notice? Remember also my efforts to lead Muhammad Yunus article when you called the whole exercise "not worthwhile", and now the Grameen family of organizations is becoming a fine article? Remember the time when I asked for a little help, since you're obviously superior to me in coding, with a set of guidelines to go with Bangladesh geo-stubs? You just dumped the suggestions on to a template declaring "feel my time will be better spent by actually working on articles", and then spent a month of intense work on WP that had nothing to do with articles?

In fact you have quoted that time and energy thing quite a few times, and it really hurts to read that while you do most of your work here after 14 hour workdays trying to improve things. One other editor has screamed at me before - "I got other things to do..." - and went off without helping the Jayne Mansfield article anymore. Well I am striving to get that massive mishmash into a GA ever since, and it's halfway there already.

Even when I pointed out that the Bangladesh portal was very much an one man show, you were really angry, and in the end it is only I who still keeps standing with you to that portal (though I don't now anything about the coding to be more useful, but I'm learning). I also let a "what is the purpose?" note at the SAARC portal and waiting for a response before seeking WP:3PO at the Wikiproject talk. So far I have backed out from only one thing I could have helped - the private universities of Bangladesh, thanks to all the hostility dished out by a certain user. I have also accepted your lead on portals, and, I guess, I'll have to dabble into the matter of 1000+ portals a bit more seriously.

But, hostility management is part of being a useful editor here. Ever since I left that user alone he seems to have grown into a real vandal fighter (only if he left trolling me! sigh). And, that is the reason for this humongous post. I look forward to having you as a partner. Yes, you will have differences in opinion, debates, arguments and even outright fist-fights, but that should never get down to a personal level.

You wrote "I will support them when I think they are right and I will support you when I think you are right", but I'd insist that you support Wikipedia, not individual users. I am working on a Wikipedia-wide effort to get this list thing right, and even if it means hurting a few people from my homeland, I guess, I'll keep it up. And, while your appreciation for enthusiasm is highly commendable it also is important that we don't lose the fine balance between quality and quantity. I've turned Shahbag into a featured article trying to handle a merge tag, and I hope to do exactly the same for Sitakunda Upazila.

All this I say not to brag, but to tell you what's possible, and since I know only my contributions best, examples are better drawn from that lot. Even if you stayed cross at me I would have kept working, and the biggest loss would be the loss of a valuable partner and feeding a troll (this last damage has already been done by me, and the troll is now very empowered finding an ally in you, my bad luck). And, oh, BTW if you are looking for a vliant editor who engaged all the time and energy to the articles look for User:Usingha, who created about 500 articles of real good quality without making any fuss and then went on to create a Wikipedia in his native tongue from a scratch.

Sorry about this very long post, but I owe you at least this much. Please, don't hate me. And, if this post becomes really bothersome on the talk page, you still have a few things to do - remove, archive, or scream in frustration. ;) Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 18:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Insubordinance? Hmmm, interesting choice of words. More interesting than the use of "not worthwhile" about redlinks that led to Grameen Trust and Grameen Fund. And more interesting than the use of "diplomacy" to describe appreciation. Well, since I can't go down on my knees and beg for mercy (it's a virtual world, you see), I guess, I can do nothing to change your rudeness towards me. Two questions:

• Do you really think redlinks that evidently imply/request articles of fair or even high notability don't comply with that "article first" principle? In fact, the community recognizes redlinks as article requests, and the project to deal with redlinks treat that, upon a judgment of notability, as the best way to convert them into bluelinks (unless, of course, it was misspelt or misphrased, in which case spelling it right turns them into bluelinks). Or, do you think creating portals complies more to the "article first" principle?
• Do you think we really need one portal for an average of 200 articles? Obviously I'm missing here something of importance. Can you, if you don't mind, elaborate a bit more on that?

Finally, it seems I have again failed to communicate. The point of stating the incidents was simple - please, don't assume bad faith. Judging someone as a vandal just because you don't know that he's using a different browser, and judging someone's observation on portals coming from an urge to take vengeance is not probably the right way to look at people. I am sorry that I have failed to agree with you on a few things (disagreement is part of the charm of this community, haha). But, that shouldn't be a reason to be consistently rude to me. Right? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

WP Talk: WP Portals

I've just gone through the portal discussion again. You raised absolute right point at the end of the discussion. In this situation, (Aditya's behavior) WP:GAME and WP:KETTLE might be applicable. Well, let me explain something, I tagged some articles which were unsourced and had some peacock words (though I usually don't see the creator of the article). But I was surprised after seeing these edit summaries ([1], [2], [3] and [4]) made by Aditya. Soon after that, he tagged IUB article by mentioning "Maintenance tag" ([5]) in the edit summary (which I referred you before). When I made comments ([6], [7] ) on WP Portals discussion page on 30th August and 2nd September, he added more tags [8],[9],[10],[11] (also an advert tag) after seeing my comments there. You already may have noticed those issues. What I understand is, this user tries to take revenge by raising pointless issues and tagging the articles (instead of improving them) whenever any disagreement happens. It's not acceptable at all. I also noticed this person removing (Prothom Alo) references along with other references and revert previous advert tags. It seems to me, he's getting angry time to time and engaging in edit ware. My question, is it the right place for expressing his personal feelings or anger mood ? !

BTW, you are doing excellent job on this article. Thank you--NAHID 12:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Nahid, I am aware of these and trying to work out the problems with Aditya. If all of us (including myself) can forget these silly incidents and focus on the job of contributing to wikipedia - that would be the best scenario. I am also noticing that the tagging option is being misused as a tool to disrupt other's works. We need to discuss this at a more policy level to decide whether there needs to be any control on tagging. At present the best way to respond to excessive tagging seems to be to address the problem highlighted in the tag. Happy editing. Arman Aziz 04:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)