User talk:AngelOfSadness/Archive 1

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Hello, AngelOfSadness, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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You're welcome! Glad to welcome you! Acalamari 21:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Not For Your Ears

Hi! Given this has been deleted four times as either speedy or prod, I was wondering how to deal with it - should I add a speedy template, (hence asking the admins to just delete it), or would the right thing be to prod it, or should it now be AFDed since some people so much want it here, so we could just speedy it more quickly in the future?

Then I started googling, and I got up: [1]

I guess the right thing would be to try AfD then, if you don't want it here. Personally, I was thinking more of giving it up and letting it be here, just asking the writer to explain better what it is. But I don't think you can blank the page, thats not the way? So I think the right way would be to restore it, but add either a speedy template, a prod template or start the Afd... just what I think would be the right way to deal with it here. Greswik 15:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, we cannot delete the articles unless we are admins, you know. Us normal deadly people have to make the admins do it, and then there should basically be those three procedures to choose from... Greswik 15:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Do whatever you think is best regarding the article. Might be best to prod it, but that's my opinion. I really feel it should be deleted as it is not an authorized album. Also there is information about the bootleg here http://evanescencereference.info/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page and it would be better just to create a link on the discography article itself rather than create an article which says exactly what evanescencereference.info says. HappiestCamper 15:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't disagree much with you thinking it should go, but technically, I just wanted you to know you're not doing it right- it's you who has decided to start a procedure to delete it, so asking me to delete it for you might seem a bit strange to me. But OK, I prod. Greswik 15:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason I asked you as you seem like you know what your doing. I'm a newbie who knows that if I try to prod it I will mess it up greatly, I mean just look at my userpage :D. But I appreciate your help as I didn't even know how to delete an article but now I have that knowledge of what to do and I'll use it in future. So thank very much for helping a frustrated newbie :D HappiestCamper 15:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Happy to be of some help. It's not hard to prod articles, just write {{Subst:prod| A good reason this article shouldn't be here}} . And that is with the {'s and }'s. Actually, I think speedy delete is much more practial- it's tends to be a situation where either speedy works, or the more heavy AFD -procedure must be invoked. The problem is users who hang around to protect their articles are actually allowed to remove the prod, but not the speedy template or the AFD. But you got the links now. Greswik 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, so do I just type that to the box on "edit this page"? Thanks again :D HappiestCamper 16:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, just put it in at the top. But if you tend to find new pages you think clearly should go, check out Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion first. Greswik 16:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

See all of this I didn't know. Thanks again HappiestCamper 16:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Venus Doom/PKF

They may be true about it not being "leaked" but it could only be HEARD on the website not downloaded....someone took the time to get the song from source off the site and spread it around the internet (I know I downloaded it, the song was in 128kbps -.-). Pretty much though I don't really care the information isn't that important, I am just waiting for PKF to become an official single to make serious edits about the song --NekoD 22:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh I know I had the song WEEKS before the TM album came out but it really doesn't matter at this point --NekoD 11:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Exactly :], and if Venus Doom does get released 3-4 days before the US do you think you could rip it in V0 and send to me :>, I am going to buy it (i'll be camping out in front of a store XD) but I want it asap :D --NekoD 11:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

mhmm that is something I was just thinking about, the fact that almost every HIM album ever has been released in sept-nov.....Should have known June/July wouldn't have been a real date :p --NekoD 11:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

OCRopus

Would you please examine the change instead of assuming vandalism? All I did was remove a VfD notice that was useless since the vote was "keep". 128.158.145.51 18:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Please read what I wrote on the talk page. And it isn't up to you to decide whether or not my changes add any contribution to wikipedia. I did discuss my changes before I made them, don't alter my changes again unless you have a legitimate reason. 4.237.221.11 17:39, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Much thanks!

Just wanted to stop by to thank you for your help in undoing many of those vandalism edits! That was about a days-worth of my WikiLife.... Thank you, thank you, thank you.... —  MusicMaker 18:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. Twinkle, which I did added today, made the job so much easier. HappiestCamper 18:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome

Hehe, no problem. :) · AndonicO ^Talk 19:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Reverts

Hello HappiestCamper.

I think you dislike me 'cause you've reverted me twice. ;) Greetings, —DerHexer (Talk) 21:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome! And about your name...

Hello, HappiestCamper, and welcome to Wikipedia!

I hope not to seem unfriendly or make you feel unwelcome, but I noticed your username, and am concerned that it might not meet Wikipedia's username policy. After you look over that policy, could we discuss that concern here? You see, we have an administrator whose name is very similar to yours, HappyCamper, and the similitude between your names may mislead other editors.

I'd appreciate learning your own views, for instance your reasons for wanting this particular name, and what alternative username you might accept that avoids raising this concern.

You have several options freely available to you:

• If you can relieve my concern through discussing it here, I can stop worrying about it.
• If the two of us can't agree here, we can ask for help through Wikipedia's dispute resolution process, such as asking for a "third opinion", or requesting comments from other Wikipedians. Wikipedia administrators usually abide by agreements reached through this process.
• You can keep your contributions history under a new username. Visit Wikipedia:Changing username and follow the guidelines there.

Let me reassure you that my writing here means I don't think your username is grossly, blatantly, or obviously inappropriate; such names get reported straight to Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention or blocked on sight. This is more a case where opinions might differ, and it would be good to reach some consensus — either here or at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names. So I look forward to a friendly discussion, and to enjoying your continued participation on Wikipedia. Thank you, and welcome aboard! :) Phaedriel - 22:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for the welcome. Secondly, I was afraid that I would have to change my beloved(:D) username but I will do anything which prevents mass confusion. Well, my (current)username is a nickname which my friends have given me, it is the name of my website which is still under constuction and I have used the user name on multiple other websites. It also quotes my favourite tv show (in a way). But if it is causing too much confusion I will change it. I was sorta thinking about changing it anyway as a vandal said on my usertalk page earlier (after I corrected them), "Sadly, HappiestCamper is not a happy camper." I thought it was hilarious as they then referred to me as a "he". But I set up this account to contribute wikipedia and help stop vandalism, so I better choose a name which doesn't lead vandals to an easy pun, eh? HappiestCamper 22:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding, and for taking the matter both seriously and with good humour, sweetie :) Like I said above, pick a username of your choice, and visit Wikipedia:Changing username and follow the guidelines there. I'll be most happy to help you in the process, if you need a hand. Take good care! Love, Phaedriel - 23:41, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought I would let you know that I have requested that my name be changed to AngelOfSadness as it references one of my favourite songs, and also vandalism makes angels sad :D HappiestCamper 23:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Your note

No problem, thanks for the RC patrol! delldot talk 23:37, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Help

when i open the edit page all the previous text is gone please help my i dont want to be banned 81.109.227.62 11:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Your reverts

Can you please look at what you are reverting? You incorrectly converted White Hill back to a vandalised edit, from the corrected version.[2] Thanks. Schcambo 12:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

That was actually an accident. I was trying to revert vandalism off the page and User:DerHexer was a second ahead of me, so instead of reverting the vandalism I accidentally reverted User:DerHexer edit. HappiestCamper 12:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

No worries :) Schcambo 12:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

RE: Warning

Regarding a message I just got: "Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Gordon Rattray Taylor. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. HappiestCamper 19:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)"

Sorry. I had never gotten a speedy deletion warning before. I agreed that it should have been deleted, and did so myself. I was ignorant of the rule against blanking a page after it had been marked for deletion. The last thing I want to do is vandalize wikipedia, or be thought of as a wikipedia vandal.

FuzzyCuteness 19:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Because that would be an atoricty not even comprehendable! I say we order some syringes full of senses of humor! Lopsider321 13:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

user:65.32.68.31

Hi there; I have no quarrel at all with your sentiments regarding this user, but purely for educational purp[oses may I ask you to acquaint yourself with the difference between a block and a ban? You have not been here long, and I am in no sense criticising, but it is important to distinguish the two. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 20:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I say again, I did not in any way mean to criticise you; while I may be an admin that does not confer any additional authority, it just confers more work! My sole intention is, in a small way, to help guide you throught the complexities of wikipedia terminology. All friends here. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 21:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Help

If there is anything at all that you want to ask to help you find your way around, you are more than welcome to ask; I actively enjoy helping new editors. I am on-line every day at this time, and about two hours either side. And if I don't know the answer, I will know someone who does. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 21:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, given that you've only been here nine days, you're doing well. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 21:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

81.109.227.62

Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:81.109.227.62 - the guy keeps blanking out the talk page. DrippingGoofball 13:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

His first 4 actions were to delete 4 articles that relate to terrorism in the UK, including the article about the UK itself, in rapid succession. Makes me wonder what his expertise is, that he felt he had something to add to all these articles so urgently...

01:08, 6 July 2007 (hist) (diff) United Kingdom (←Blanked the page)

00:59, 6 July 2007 (hist) (diff) 2007 London car bombs (←Blanked the page)

00:57, 6 July 2007 (hist) (diff) 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack (←Blanked the page)

00:53, 6 July 2007 (hist) (diff) Alan Johnston (←Blanked the page)

DrippingGoofball 15:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I go about suggesting that this user be blocked? DrippingGoofball 15:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Please do report it. Would you mind giving me the link to where you will have done it, so that I can see for myself? DrippingGoofball 16:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Your new name

I like your new name, it's good. :) I thought you may want to know that I removed your talk page from the Category:Usernames editors have expressed concern over, as there is no concern over your name anymore. I'm glad see that you've been working hard here to remove vandalism; judging by all the reverts done to your user and talk pages, you must be a great vandal-fighter. Excellent work. :) Acalamari 21:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you like my name. Also thank you for removing my user name from that list as I didn't know how to remove it. I decided that I would help fight vandalism with the help of twinkle during my summer holidays as I haven't much else to do. I see that it is a problem (after monitoring recent changes, warning and reporting vandals for about four days). Even the vandals targeted my userpage for only one day oddly enough. Anyway thank you for the compliments and the smiley face :D Angel Of Sadness 22:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome for the compliments! You're also welcome for me removing your talk page from that category. All I had to do was view Phaedriel's text, see the category, and remove it (view what I did here). Maybe the vandals won't target you as much now; sometimes a strong-sounding username lessens user/user talk vandalism. :) Acalamari 23:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, so deleting that thing isn't that hard. I'll have to remember that. I know even when I was fighting vandalism some vandal (who was blanking pages and saying horrible things on other people's userpages) said and I quote "Sadly, HappiestCamper is not a happy camper. He does not allow people to express their opinion, but rather calls it "vandalism." This should not be. Americans have a right to free speech." Obviously I thought it was hilarious they thought that I was a "he". But I think my new user name really matches what I want to do here on Wikipedia.Angel Of Sadness 23:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Heh; obviously they didn't read your userpage properly. :) Acalamari 23:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I find it strange that they went through the trouble of complaining without reading my user page. Anyway their little rant on my talk page got them blocked for a day so by now they won't be able to find me because of my new user name. :-D Angel Of Sadness 23:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes vandals read the content of my user page, and vandalize accordingly: it depends. Anyway, I've blocked a couple of users you've reported to AIV. I hope you continue to do what you're doing. :) Acalamari 23:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I will definately keep watching out for vandalism as it is a problem here at wikipedia. Hopefully one day wikipedia will be vandalism free but that's only a dream. I'll probably talk to you tomorrow as it's my bedtime now :( Goodnight Angel Of Sadness 23:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Signature

Here you go! Your signature has arrived! All you have to do is paste the code below into your signature box, which is located in your preferences. Make sure the raw signature box is checked.

[[User:AngelOfSadness|<span style="color:#00ff00;">Angel Of</span>]]'''[[User talk: AngelOfSadness|<span style="color:green;"> Sadness</span>]]'''

Have fun! RuneWiki⁷⁷⁷ 22:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

You welcome. RuneWiki⁷⁷⁷ 22:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for reverting the vandalism on my talk page by User talk:164.156.231.55 twice and for updating the vandalism count. Angel Of Sadness 17:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) Gscshoyru 17:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Signature upgrade

Here is a brand new fabulous signature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is amazing! Use the code below, for a grreeeeeaattttt signature!

[[User:Angel Of Sadness|<b><font color="cyan">Angel Of Sadness</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Angel Of Sadness|<font color="red">^{<small>'''T'''</small>}</font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Angel Of Sadness|<font color="red"><small>'''C'''</small></font>]]

RuneWiki⁷⁷⁷ 21:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the new signature. You're right it is fabulous and grreeeeeaattttt! Thanks again Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 22:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Signature

Hey, I got your message on my talk page and replied there. Just a heads up, you might want to fix your signature, as it ends up with deadlinks to each link provided. I think it is due to the fact you have it linking to User:Angel_of_Sadness, and not User:AngelOfSadness. Just a little heads up there for ya! Jmlk17 17:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		For your seemingly endless patience with fighting vandalism, even when it is on your own pages! Jmlk17 18:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol yum! Thank you. By the way, just head on over to our barnstar area and take a gander around :). They're lots of fun! :) Jmlk17 19:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again! It's always nice to come across a user who is able to broadcast their enjoyment of the project so well. :). Jmlk17 20:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Crowded House

Hi! I've seen you editing Crowded House related articles, and would like to invite you to join WikiProject Crowded House, an effort by Wikipedians to improve the band's coverage on the encyclopedia. Please consider signing up here.

--lincalinca 06:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Checking in

Hello my Irish friend! Just checking in to see how the vandal-fighting efforts are going. You seem to be doing quite well, and I commend you for that! As always, if you ever need any help or anything, you can always contact me if you need! Happy editing from across the pond! Jmlk17 08:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

ratatat remixes vol 2

Sorry about changing that page. It's funny, I actually went back just minutes after you to delete my own statement, only to discover you had already deleted it 1 minute after I wrote it. Quick work, do you have some kind of alert system set up? Just wanted you to know that I tried to correct my own mistake and was not intentionally vandalizing this.

Vandalism on 1980.

Something did go wrong there, but you corrected it while I was still searchikng for the error. I think I had forgotten to hit ^C, so the previous stuff was still in the clipboard. It certainly wasn't deliberate vandalism. HandigeHarry 20:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

blah

how do i get it to stop telling me i have a new message. and why can't I delete a talk subject off of my own talk page. aren't i the admin of my own stinkin page?

final war

And giving me a final warning for just being a goof on a talk page littered with useless comments and saying something that might as well be fact and is positive, how's that innappropriate?

vandalism

So is vandalism actual vandalism or just anything you don't agree with...new to the whole wiki thing so I'm not quite sure what lines I can't cross or anything like that.

a

What dictator made that a rule? Not the admin of your own talk page? Wha!?

a

I believe I used the word "cute", not some idiotic term such as "sexiest hottie on earth". In other words, it was harmless.

a

But a forum is exactly what Wikipedia is beyond the actual encyclopedia aspect. The world isn't made up of fact and fiction. I'd say it's high time Wikipedia makes an Opinions tab at the top as well.

Newbies

Hello AngelOfSadness. Good work on the vandalism front, but particularly regarding User:Lopsider321, please try to assume good faith and avoid biting the newbies. A uw-tpv3 warning for removing a (rather excessive and unfriendly) first warning from their talk page is not really on. In fact editors issuing warnings for removing warnings usually causes more disruption than it's worth. It is not necessary to issue a warning or make an AIV report on every breach of policy or etiquette. Sometimes a friendly word is more productive. That's all I have to say. I'd encourage you to re-read the links herein. Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 13:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Eric Munoz page

You accused me of making a spam page on the Eric Munoz entry (by deleting information about the judge "abusing her discretion." I disagree. That was not spam. It is unverifiable information (the Wiki article cites a newspaper article that does not exist). It was never found that the judge abused her discretion. This information needs to be corrected. And I deserve an apology because it was not spam.

Please take a look at your talk page's edit history. I was not the one who wrote that comment about spam. The edit history says it was User:172.147.70.94. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 19:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the broken link that you mentioned but not the content in the article as the content can still be vertified through a different link. Please use edit summaries in future so when you're deleting content at least it won't be confused with vandalism. Thank you and Happy editing Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 19:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

P.B. Pilhet has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thanks for cleaning up my user page! -- 15:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		In recognition of your excellent efforts in patrolling the recent changes, I award you this Anti-Vandalism barnstar! You have also beaten me to the revert once or twice today...well done! ;-) Happy editing, and keep up the good work! Lradrama 15:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome, and thankyou for the smile! Lradrama 15:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Margeret Ann Brady

Thankyou for telling me that. I found the page in the book.

Shall I change the page on Margaret Anne Brady, so that it states she was a fictional character, so other people searching for her know this too?

Thankyou. Random question, as i am a young and new user: wat is the weather like in Ireland?

As england and Ireland are pretty close, then the weather seems about the same, coz it looks like its going to rain here as well.

gosh, we've had no hail or rain today! It looks as though it may start though

Poor you! How did you get your user page layout?

Re: Thematic motifs of Lost

The content that the user keeps trying to reinsert is unsourced Original Research. There's already a discussion about it by other people on the talk page; he just can't seem to understand why repeatedly inserting his own unverified theories isn't the way to go. As noted at Wikipedia:Verifiability,

The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a reliable source, which should be cited in the article.

Any edit lacking a source may be removed...

Be careful not to go too far on the side of not upsetting editors by leaving unsourced information in articles for too long, or at all in the case of information about living people. Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia, has said of this: "I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons." -70.189.74.49 17:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Lockout tagout

Please, you are mistaken. This page is a school project and I did remove the repeating links in the article as you asked. I respect others and their work. Thank you.

66.82.9.84 15:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)ehsoutlaw

AngelofSadness:

I contacted my teacher this morning and he said that you mistook his improvements (and mine over the last several days) as vandalism which it isn't. I will be finished with my school assignment by August 9, 2007 and after that you can delete the entire page if you want. If this can't be worked out then I will send him your comments then you can tell him your reasons for not allowing me to use wikipedia to complete my homework assignment. Thank you.

66.82.9.84 16:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)ehsoutlaw

Thanks

Thanks for putting up with User:87.167.242.147. There is no doubt that he is a sockpuppet of the guy yesterday. I think slowly (very slowly) we are getting through to him but unfortunately he'll probably be back tomorrow. Also thank you for reverting vandalism by him off my user page. It's much appreciated. Happy Editing Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 16:20, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

And the same to you. Thanks, etc. You should probably report to AIV so you can stop him early, though. Gscshoyru 16:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll do that in future as I was busy undoing his edits and making a sockpuppet report(my first one :D). Again thanks for helping me. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 16:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

recent talkpage edit

In this edit you reverted an editors removal of warning notices from his talk page. While discouraged, users are explicitly allowed to remove warnings from their talk pages: Wikipedia:User page#removal of warnings says: "Policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages, although archiving is preferred. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user. Deleted warnings can still be found in the page history." Thus such edits are not vandalism, and should not be reverted. DES ^(talk) 18:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes a lot of vandals do this, but so do a number of legit editors. The idea is that the history always servs as an archive. Now if an admin used selective deeltion to hide revisions that included warning, that would be a more sereious matter, but... Anyway, you are welcome. DES ^(talk) 18:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

While it would be within policy to simnply delte both pages as spam, i think it would be unwise. I have raised the matter at WP:ANI, asking for a previously univolved admin to engage with this user. If that doesn't happen, I'll blank and protect if need be. DES ^(talk) 18:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for undoing the vandalism

on my talk page, you beat me to it. ;-) John Hayes^talk 23:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Academy of St. Joseph

To whom it may concern,

I believe you've just sent me a message. You're correct in assuming that I don't have much experience editing on wikipedia, and I was unaware that I needed to supply a reason for editing a page. I will do so in the future. While looking up my Alma Mater, I was appalled to find how unpolished the entry was. I edited it, yes, deleting a lot of superfluous information that you wouldn't find in any other entry for a private school. If people are looking for the information that I deleted, they can find it on the school's website. If I was a stranger to The Academy and initially interested, and read that old entry on wikipedia, I would no longer be interested, if you get my drift . . . This school, in a way, represents every woman who graduated from it, and I don't want to be associated with a mediocre entry in wikipedia. I am donating some free PR work, and I believe I've vastly improved the entry. We should remember that less is often more - particularly in terms of the entry for the Academy of St. Joseph.

Thanks for your concern!

Go ahead and edit away and make sure you have an edit summary. Without it, it just looks like you're deleting content which is what a lot of vandals have been doing lately.With it, you won't be confused with a vandal when your edits come up on the recent changes pages. I should also mention that any content you do add has to be referenced with articles from various webpages or the school's website. Happy Editing Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 11:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The Ant Surfaces!

Hiya AngelOfSadness,

My name is Anthony Chidiac. Peter and Chris should still remember me, having done some production work for him back in the 90's era. I believe he would also remember my colleague Andre Barallon and Siew Ooi as well. I think some colleagues of mine added a release I mixed back in the 90's to Peters bio. It is legit, not vandalism, I have the vinyl pressing in my collection still. I will research it further and re-add some of the releases you missed. Just trying to help. Any problems e-mail me direct. By the way, Peter's partner is Katie Price, my ex-wife is a Laura Price! Scary stuff.

That's fair enough but any content that you do add must be backed up with references. Without references the mass of the wikipedia community will just see your edits as vandalism, as the content you're adding is not well known unlike the rest of wikipedia's content. If you have any problems with the article, you can leave a message on my talk page and I will try my best to help. Happy Editing Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 10:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

• Achidiac (talk · contribs) (Anthony Chidiac), Rdpaperclip (talk · contribs), T3Smile (talk · contribs), and 60.241.91.14 (talk · contribs) have been blocked as sock puppets. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Achidiac. -- Jreferee t/c 17:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Spamming

Hi,

As far as I am aware I am not spamming. The links set up are not selling prints or images, they are merely there as a source of information to fans or for people researching the band. I am quite happy for fans to use the images in blogs or fansites. If you look at my website there are two links to my prints service. In contrast there are around 200 live sets on the website.

If you feel this is wrong and my links should be removed then please go to the Kaiser Chiefs, Enter Shikari and The Automatic pages and remove all the photography links there as they are the same as mine, merely pointing fans and researchers to shots of the band.

As I'm not registered please feel free to email me at adam@adamgasson.com to discuss this further.

Thanks,

Adam

You're advertising/promoting your website through these external links which is spamming: [3] You are in violation of 3.) Links mainly intended to promote a website. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 14:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry that Wiki has that stance towards links to photography.

As I prevously stated I assume that all other photographer links, such as on the entries I mentioned (Kaiser Chiefs, Enter Shikari, The Automatic), will also be removed? Peter Hill has links on all three and they're exactly the same as mine, a link to his website.

Adam

I will remove those links to Peter's website aswell as they too are in breach of the rules. I know that the polices on wikipedia are very strict but unfortuantely that's the way it is. Like if you click on an image on wikipedia, you will be directed to an article were the image can and cannot be used along with the licensing policies. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 14:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Well at least there's equality on Wiki ;)

I'm sorry to cause hassle but I would say the terms for external links are slightly vague. I'd see any link as website promotion, especially as a lot of larger websites have advertising. Point 10 states links to social networking sites, giving MySpace as an example. I've seen countless links for MySpace on here.

Finally though I would add that under point 11 "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." I'd argue that both Peter and myself are authorities in this matter. We are both professional photographers and both work for national magazines and labels.

I can't speak for Peter but my reason for adding links on to Wikipedia was not for sales or page views (my bandwidth costs money so views aren't as impressive as many think) it's simply because music photography is my passion. A passion that typically is matched by fans. As I said I am happy for fans to use the images in blogs. It's far better than the images sitting on my hard drive never being seen.

Thank you for your time and apologies again for the problems I've caused.

Adam 89.240.218.175 15:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

papa roach

you knoW! their records are in the post-hardcore genre! SO why isn't post-hardcore and punkrock on the main genre box?

question for papa roach genres

I found a page and in there is written that getting away with murde is a post-hardcore record but it's in gerMAN! can you speak german?

here i found a page in english! there are the genres post-hardcore / Pop punk and metal(i think they mean nu metal for the records infest and lovehate tragedy) http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MID=367137231&MemberId=4064941509

please look

ok! here! this is the german page: http://www.festivalguide.de/festivalhighlights/paparoach

and here the bio of papa roach! there is written that they try to make music between metal/hardcore/punk and pop! it's in german too! please read it thru http://www.paparoachweb.de/de/facts/papa_roach_biografie.html

Reversion

Well... that was fast. Thanks. Gscshoyru 16:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The block

You're welcome. :) Acalamari 17:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

still papa roach^^

Here is it in english the biography and here is the same thing with metal/hardcore/punk and pop and they say: We’re a band that tries to walk that line between metal, hardcore, punk rock and pop music, and we do our best at trying to make it all tasteful! and they don't just mean the paramour sessions! they mean they whole carrear! http://www.paparoach.com/bio/

Signature

Hi. I really like your signature, however it is at the limit for signature length. Currently it is 'legal' however please do not make it any longer. For futher reading please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SIGNATURE . Thanks for your help in this matter. Djminisite - Talk | Sign 19:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

SORRY for bothering(still,still about papa roach and the post-hardcore thing)

There is one problem! THE papa roach page(articel) is blocked for me! so i can't write in the musicstyle box post-hardcore/alternative rock/post-grunge/punkrock/nu metal/rapcore! can you make it? but i will pur the link in the papa roach talk page so this is the only thing that i can do!

a question

do you want the link from the bio or the musicstyles which should be on the papa roach main articel? and what do you mean with leave a comment ?? sorry my english is f++++++ bad! but here are the genre that should be also in the music box: POST-HARDCORE/ALTERNATIVE ROCK/POST-GRUNGE/PUNKROCK [i write big,so you can see it better: ) ]

GOOD IDEA

Yeah the idea with the thing about angry fans is good,so there is no trouble and no chaos or mess! so i hope you have the genres(i write it again for reminding) and we see than what happens! here again the musicstyles, which should also be in the music style box Post-Hardcore/Alternative Rock/Post-Grunge/Punkrock and it on the articel of papa roach is a text about their musicstyl you can also write there:papa roach has got also influences of hard rock, pop rock, pop punk and alternative metal(so the fans are maybe not angry because hard rock and alternative metal is still there but not as a main genre and just as an influnce but i think this is better) is that ok? and by the way! i will remind you!

sorry

YOu sad you can speak german! can you sa it in german beacause i don't know what you mean because my english is not so good:( I'M SORRY(I hope you read my last message)

THX

thanks man! But can you maybe write the last thing that i couldn't Read for idiots? i mean with that can you write it so that everybody could understand it? OR is this text that i couldn't read a important thing that i should make ? and by the way what do you say about my idea with the influnces thing on papa roach?(i mean my message with the titel GOOD IDEA)

why I'm blocked?

I did nothing! i just talked with you! i'm not this afi-punk guy! thank god that i have an account and so i can still talk to you! or? Melodic Horror

by the way

I'm the guy with the papa roach and post-hardcore thing Melodic Horror

thanks again about my english

The translator helped me a bit but the sentences are a bit in a mess! do you mean i should be more careful with what i say or something when i want to changes something? Melodic Horror

the thing about afi punk

Maybe, but i can't remember that i change the same things like afi punk because i got my account today! but fuck it! my account isn't blocked just the name with the number but wheni log in with my account i'm no more blocked! SO do you think the fans will be aggree with the post-hardcore/alternative rock/post-grunge and punkrock thing on papa roach? Melodic Horror

THX FOR THE ( ' ) three times thing

THX! now they really can see the text better User:Melodic Horror

German

I'm not german! i'm from spain but live in germany and speak german since i can speak^^so i deffently can't be afi punk 'cause he is german! where are you from? Melodic Horror

THE (') thing

Should i use the ( ' ) thing only on the names of the music genre? or can you make it on the papa roach talk? change it so that it looks good or is it good enough? Melodic Horror

THE ( ' ) Thing the second

ALRIGHT than change the look of the text about post-hardcore,alternative,grunge and punk from the papa roach talk page! i hope they accepted the change with post-hardcore and the another genres! and do you also make it with the musicstyle text on the papa roach page?? this with that you write (papa roach has also influences of hard rock, alternative metal, pop rock and pop punk) ? Melodic Horror

GOOD

Yeah this looks better! i write also the idea with hard rock ad alternative metal influences ok? Melodic Horror

YEAH

You can than write:Papa Roach has got influences from many musicstyles! from:post-hardcore, alternative rock, post-grunge, punkrock, hard rock, alternative metal, pop rock, pop punk, nu metal and rapcore! is that good?Melodic Horror

Thanks!

Thankyou so very much for the barnstar! Much appreciated! :-) Lradrama 17:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

Re your message: No problem. =) It seems like you've gained a "fan". Joy. =\ -- Gogo Dodo 18:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for backing me up with User:87.167.210.141. The guy is a suspected sockpuppet, so I decided to watch what he does and all he does is change the genre of bands. Other editors were reverting the same edits of his earlier but they weren't in the last hour. So I picked up were they left off and unfortunately it got ugly. Thanks again Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 17:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I've seen you before, and figure you know what you're doing. Sockpuppet of whom, though? Of just ip-puppet? Gscshoyru 17:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The block

You're welcome. :) Acalamari 23:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Not a problem. Bushcarrot (Talk·Guestbook) 23:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Wowee

Wowee. 2000 edits in half a month. You need a wiki break! I'm serious. Even Raul654 doesn't make that much in a month. RuneWiki⁷⁷⁷ 23:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC) Just saying. It's gonna help your health.

Vandalism

Great work reverting vandals today. Happy editing! --Boricuaeddie ^hábleme 14:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

National Tramway Museum

Hi there - i'm sorry about my edit - I was xperimenting, wanting to add my comments so other people knew it wasn;t a very good place. I thought you had to change it by removing what was there, and putting it in, and it would appear at the bottom.

Sorry - 86.128.14.20 12:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

i hope

I hope that they think it's ok when Post-Hardcore/alternative rock/post-grunge/punkrock/nu metal/rapcore is on the main articel's musicstlyebox and hard rock, alternative metal,pop rock ,pop punk is just on the Text from Musicstyle or what do you think? Melodic Horror

ok

Thats good we put alternative rock in the mainmusic box and on the musicstyl text the another genres! but what do we do when they don't answer us??? just change and look what happends? Melodic Horror

^^

I hope they answer us!! because i can't see anymore that papa roach might be just a full hard rock and alternative metal band!!! they are alternative rock and post-hardcore band with post-grunge and punk ifluences!! i hope that they answer us! but they should see the genres of the records and all records are post-hardcore( BUT not infest)! but we could try to cahnge the articel without a ´wait for a answer! maybe they just change it back and doN't block us for the first time,mabye only when we change it more times to our idea! but we will see what happends til monday! write your answer about this text on my talk page i'll watch it tommorrow! i go now sleep because its 00:55 in germany! good night man! we can talk again on the day in tomorrow! bye Melodic Horror

a new idea

I know wich person we should ask! the name of the person is Salaskan. I checked out the history of the papa roach page and he was the last person who changed it to hard rock and alternative metal! so i think we should talk with him ok? Melodic Horror

hm...

I told him that he should check out the talk page! i think it's better when you say it to him too! maybe he won't listen to me but to you! ok? Melodic Horror

just do it

Man just do it!HE STILL doesn't answered me! maybe he just ignores it! so just say it him! please and don't put everythin in a question! Melodic Horror

wikibreak??

What is this?? Melodic Horror

post-hardcore

Do you think that hardcore punk, melodic hardcore and hard rock described the style of post-hardcore?? i don't think so but a unknown person changed it to it and i changed it bacK! was that ok? Melodic Horror

you did it too

But i saw on your history that you changed it more times articels back! like Papa roach and Rise Against! Melodic Horror

SOME NEWS??

Do you have some new ideas about papa roach and post-hardcore? Melodic Horror

connor

hi can u delete my page plz

connor

how do i delete it then

that sucks

tHATS totally f***** up! thats the biggest s***! why does nobody answerer it?? man! IT Were so cool when post-hardcore/alternative rock/post-grunge and punkrock were in the mainmusicstyle box: ( Melodic Horror

connor

thank u. I hope we become good friends. happy editing.

ty

thanks

OK^^ LOL

But it where funny! MAYBE there are some computernerds with no friends^^ lol Melodic Horror

Swear

Who was this guy with the swearing thing??? why he ws angry? Melodic Horror

AH OK

I can say s*** and f***! I DOn'T Insult people with that!: ) but thats funny!^^ lol when you have new ideas(i hope the papa roach thing will be succesfulL) than leave me a massage^^ User:Melodic Horror

= ^^

I can do it like that f*** or s*** or thats F****** Crazy!! thats not F****** bad !Right? Melodic Horror

OK

WHATEVER you say! Thumbs up User:Melodic Horror

LOOK

I have a page where is written that papa roach make punk and alternative^^ thats cool! AND PUNK SHOULD realy be in the box because they starting out as a punk and rap influences band! so the whole first eps are punk http://www.poster.de/Papa-Roach-s.html ( punk and alternative) and here for the punk and rap influenced part(there is standing hard rock and heavy metal thats wrong they have only influences of hard rock and alt-metal but you allready know that s***!)= http://www.vh1.com/video/search/video.jhtml?video=143868 Melodic Horror

ALRIGHT

But you SEE!! Papa Roach is in original a Punkrock band wich turned to Nu Metal and than to Post-Hardcore and Alternative Rock right? Melodic Horror

No

I mean in the text ist written they starting out as a punk and rap influenced band! and i say thex turned to nu metal because of infest and than post-hardcore! you know? Melodic Horror

more is better

I just mean more is better! it's just good to have more links to the same thingS! when they don't acceped the link of the website and think it's only on one website and so we have more! it's good right? Melodic Horror

another link

I have a new link! and i ask you is this link good or bad? there is written alternative rock and hardcore(i would say post-hardcore because papa roach don't sounds like the classic hardcore punk and more post-hardcore cause they are more experimental) http://www.pop-frontal.de/Papa%20Roach/tourdaten/75192 Melodic Horror

???

How did you make it that your name is written in blue? User:Melodic Horror

BLOCKED ARTICELS

How many days will it tooks til i can change blocked articels? i just ask! it's interresting to me! User:Melodic Horror

???

I#m not a sockpuppet of this minutes to rise or what the hell is his name!!!! I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS Melodic Horror

strange

I hope you know what the f*** you did! : ( Melodic Horror

HELP

HELP ME MAN!! this guy named Gscshoyru thinks that i'm a sockpuppet of minutes to rise and i think i will be blocked! i did nothing!!!!!! help me man! PLEASE!! Melodic Horror

OR do you want to block me???? Melodic Horror

HELLO??

What for a friend are you??? you talk behind my back with this Gscshoyru guy! i can read what you talk with him!!! and by the way i would not change your e-mail! I'm not an ass!!! please don't block me!! i'll change never again the things! but i'm not this sockpuppet of minutes to rise and i'M not anger at you but please help me to don't get blocked please!! ANSWER ME!!! i thought we waant to make the papa roach thing!! : ( Melodic Horror

Please answer me!!! what the hell is going on here???? Melodic Horror

I can't undestand you!why you fell in my back! thats sad! and now you ignored me and don't give me andy answer thats sad and weak Melodic Horror

I'M sorry but you are the reason that i could be blocked! Melodic Horror

Thanks for reverting vandalism.

Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my user page, in the same minute it was done, no less! Hu 23:18, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. I was patroling the recent changes pages and saw a newly made account editing your userpage. And of course the edits were vandalism. I have the guy on my watchlist to see if he makes any more vandalism edits as the only edit he did was vandalism on your user page. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 23:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

AFI Punk has some more sock puppets that are unblocked

• User:87.167.247.95

68.114.92.198 04:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

YOUR ARE JUST A BIG BETRAYAL

it's ridicolous man! i'm not a sockpuppet! iT's all your fault and i never said that you should mess up the papa roach page!! i think they let it be the papa roach page and papa roach will be forever a hard rock alternative metal page! because they think i'm a sockpuppet and so they ignore the thing on the papa roach talk page! thanks!it'S all your fault! Melodic Horror

HELLO ?

Are you still living?? and put another persons into a blockproblem? makes this fun? Melodic Horror

Two in one day

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		For helping during the whole User:Zephead999 incident. It was a lot of work and you helped with your reversions. Thank you. BsroiaadnTalk 21:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Two in one day, that's pretty good. Haha. Within about 5 hours of each other, even. Bsroiaadn^Talk 21:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the barnstar. But you also helped with the vandal aswell. I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't set up another account already. Thanks again Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yea, he probably has. I've been checking the articles he often edited every once in a while and nothing has come up so far, maybe he learned..who knows? Bsroiaadn^Talk 21:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Or maybe all the excitment made him tired as now is his bedtime :D. I'll keep on the look out for edits shockingly similar to his for the next few days anyway. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha, maybe. But, I have some bad news...Special:Contributions/Zubt555, it was created less than 10 minutes ago and has made edits to the same articles, though not as disruptive. Bsroiaadn^Talk 21:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's the same guy as Zephead999 edited the Rush article replacing the page with 'RUSH SUCKS DICK!' whereas the new guy is using the talk page to discuss the article instead. I'll watch him anyway to see what he does. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Previous to him saying that, he was constantly removing "Instrumentally, Lifeson is regarded as a master guitarist, a pioneer of electronic effects and chord structures." and talking about how John Bonham isn't "arguably the best guitarist" he just "is the best", which he's directly or indirectly doing now. He seems to be trying to talk about edits before doing them though, maybe he's learned. Bsroiaadn^Talk 21:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I hope so. I really, really hope so. But I'm going to watch him anyway, as he could be pretending to be angelic so he won't be noticed. But if he makes edits like before, he will be blocked....again. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I guess all we can do now is wait, watch, and hope he's turned around. Bsroiaadn^Talk 21:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess our little friend is back to his old ways again. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yea, it's sad really. Should we just bring it up at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets? Bsroiaadn^Talk 22:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please, the similarity between the two is shocking. And it won't be long before he's vandalising these pages again. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 22:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Done, see here. This is my second sock puppet report...so I hope I did it right. Haha. Bsroiaadn^Talk 22:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm really not sure, I assume we could always just contact the sysop that orginally blocked him rather than wait for WP:SSP which can sometimes take days. You think that may work? Maybe the sysop could block the sock puppets as well, as there's no arguing it's the same person. Bsroiaadn^Talk 22:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The IP was actually just blocked. It was blocked for 31 hours and account creation can't occur with that IP because of the block user. Hopefully they won't begin making bad edits again when they are unblocked. Bsroiaadn^Talk 22:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hopefully, he will learn after this block....but probably not. Sometimes, though, people can become great editors even after stuff like this. Bsroiaadn^Talk 22:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yep, which is what I'm predicting will happen. Hmmmm...do they ever indefinitely blocked anon editors? Bsroiaadn^Talk 23:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

A year? Hmmmm...they must have been repeat offenders. You haven't noticed anyone new making similar edits at those articles, have you? Bsroiaadn^Talk 16:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yea, same here. Bsroiaadn^Talk 16:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Oy vey, not again. He doesn't seem to be re-adding it non-stop like he did before though. (Assuming it's a male, may not be) Is he using the talk pages properly, at least? Anyone report the sock puppetry yet? Bsroiaadn^Talk 17:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, he made the same edits on the John Bonham article with previous accounts. See diffs: diff 1 diff 2 diff 3. I didn't realize that it was basically the same sentence that he re-added that time as he did before until just now. I'm not sure why he keeps adding it, maybe he hopes it'll slip through the cracks. Bsroiaadn^Talk 17:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Is he wanting to get caught or something? Fortunately, he is a major John Bonham/LedZep fan and hates Rush so it's extremely easy to find him in page histories. If provoked he could be back making the same edits to Rush like before and that's when we will step in with another sockpuppet report. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 18:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Yea, he doesn't really try to disguise himself at all. At least this username doesn't have three of the same number at the end, though. Haha. Anyway, it seems he's calmed down...hasn't made any edits in over 30 minutes...but now I'm wondering...has he given up..or just taken a break? Bsroiaadn^Talk 18:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Probably deciding his next edits so he isn't caught. Shame for him that we already know he's Zephead. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 18:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Haha, he's probably going to come back all confident that he will fool us, then we'll show that he's zephead...he'll be scratching his head and wondering how we knew. Bsroiaadn^Talk 18:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to see the look on his face when that happens. But because of the internet, that's not currently possible. At least we can look forward to his next edits and see if our little vandal has returned. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 18:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

That would be great if we could see the look on his face, haha. But oh well, which article do you think he'll edit first when he returns? Bsroiaadn^Talk 18:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Probably John Bonham(again) so he won't get caught but I wouldn't be surprised if he went ahead and started going mental on the Rush talk page. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 18:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Yea, probably. I wonder why he hates Rush so much. Bsroiaadn^Talk 18:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I wonder that too but he seems to be the only editor who is like this. I would ask only I don't want to let on that I know he's Zephead. Maybe we'll find out in the end if it ever ends. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 18:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, I hope so. He still hasn't started editing again yet. Bsroiaadn^Talk 18:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Looking at his currrent edit history he won't be on-line til about one/five in the morning. I'm guessing so this is how he won't be caught by us. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 19:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmmm...I wonder if he's doing it to avoid us...or just because that's when he's awake most of the time. Also, if you don't mind me asking because I have no idea, do you need a passport or anything to travel between countries in Europe? The way they say it on some shows (like the ones on Court TV, but I don't know if you have that...they basically go over past murders and how they figured it out and all that...it's pretty interesting) it seems like you don't need one. I want to go to different places in Europe at some point in my life, so I'm wondering. Bsroiaadn^Talk 19:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

About how much does a normal meal and night in a hotel room cost? And it seems he's not being very civil...not that I'm surprised. Bsroiaadn^Talk 20:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Ahhhh, I see. Why is Ireland more expensive, though? Any reason? Bsroiaadn^Talk 20:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm...well, that's a pretty big increase in price for a can of soda. And is he really? And I don't know, I have a feeling he already doesn't like me, so I don't care that much. lol. This is a pretty thick-headed editor, though, apparently. It seems no matter how many times he's blocked, he'll just keep coming back. Bsroiaadn^Talk 20:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

It seems he is trying to incite arguments. You think he may be a bit of a troll? Bsroiaadn^Talk 21:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

And now that an editor finally let it stay, he keeps removing the {{fact}} tag. Ugh, he's going to end up getting blocked, even if it's not because it's a sockpuppet, he'll get blocked just based on his edits on this account, seriously. Bsroiaadn^Talk 23:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

He'll be blocked for trolling on numerous articles and for harassing Bucketheader. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 11:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, looking at his talk page, he's apparently been uncivil towards many editors with this account alone. Bsroiaadn^Talk 19:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I wonder how this guy deals with people in real-life. Do you think he does it the same way? Bsroiaadn^Talk 22:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Yea, probably. Haha, what would you do if you saw him outside of Wikipedia? Bsroiaadn^Talk 22:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hahahaha. Too bad we don't know what he looks like so we could avoid him, eh? Bsroiaadn^Talk 22:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Yea, run from anyone with a Led Zeppelin or even a "I hate Rush" shirt. Haha. And when was he reported? Just now? For what? Being uncivil? Bsroiaadn^Talk 23:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hahahaha, that is a pretty good message...I like the one below it even more though. lol. The only bad part, he was only blocked for 24 hours. Bsroiaadn^Talk 23:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...that makes me wonder...when do you think the first person was ever blocked from editing Wikipedia? Any way to find out? Bsroiaadn^Talk 04:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I guess I could research the history of blocked, but it may take a while to find it. And jeez, how many personal attacks has he made already? At least three, right? Bsroiaadn^Talk 17:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Hahahahaha. I have nothing against Black Eyed Peas, in fact some of their songs I kinda like, but it is pretty odd for a person that loves Led Zeppelin so much to like Black Eyed Peas as well. He hasn't made any personal attacks as his current IP, though? Bsroiaadn^Talk 23:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry it took me a while to respond, I was busy all weekend. Anyway, has he made any more personal attacks or anything (that you know of) since his block was lifted? Bsroiaadn^Talk 18:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh my god, that's hilarious. Hahahaha, I wonder if he seriously thinks he's going to be a celebrity or not. Bsroiaadn^Talk 20:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Famous for being the most annoying editor on wikipedia? Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 20:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Hahahah, perhaps. Have you ever used to {{Editprotected}} template? If so, how long did it usually take for them to edit the page. I used it for the second time ever, today, and it's been 3 hours and still nothing. Bsroiaadn^Talk 01:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Reports at AIV

Let the admins deal with it, I know I'm innocent, so this'll only get the ban done faster. Thanks, though. Gscshoyru 11:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't tell me he's back again. Don't worry I got you covered. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 12:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey hey... be careful here... I did a sock report already... just leave him be for a while, and the admins'll take care of it. We don't wanna be accused of edit warring again. Gscshoyru 12:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry all I'm going to do is give him a very nice note about changing the genres of bands. Nothing else. Also I'm sorry about the whole thing and the accusations afterwards. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 12:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

What's there to be sorry about? It's not your fault. But thanks :) Gscshoyru 12:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I guess we both got sucked in by that guys evil ways yesterday, but I feel the not I left him is sufficent as it's not an attack or a warning. You can see for yourself here:[4].Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 12:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I saw. It's fine. He's not actually vandalizing per-se, so the sock report will come back and he'll be banned again, and the admins'll take care of it... it's a pity we're not allowed to trust ourselves, but if you think about it, bad things could happen if we do. Gscshoyru 12:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

That's true but I think it's best not fighting with him. If he starts personally attacking editors he'll get banned that way because looking at the messages he left on the talk pages, he isn't far off personally attacking editors who are being civil to him.It's really strange he's actually using the talk pages now. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 12:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, best not to fight. Also... not that amazing that he's using the talk page... Papa Roach is protected. Gscshoyru 12:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

He's a sock, would be my guess/bet. Do a sock report on 'im. Gscshoyru 17:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Huh? If he reverts your sock-contribs, then he'll be banned faster for reverting them. Make the report, etc, if you haven't already done so. Nothing to be afraid of. Gscshoyru 20:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Um... I guess Minutes To Rise, or AFI-PUNK. They're the originals. Gscshoyru 20:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

So? He's a sock of a disruptive user... what are you so afraid of, exactly? Gscshoyru 21:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Anger? Anger that they can't keep messing up wikipedia? Admittedly, this guy is a little different from the rest... but he's still not really listening to reason, is he? He's still trying to invoke a revert war... Gscshoyru 21:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on Rachel Weisz page

Hi,

There is some obvious vandalism on the Rachel Weisz page. I've never done any editing before so I am not sure what the right thing to do is (do I just undo the change?) so I figured by looking at the editing history that you might be able to help?

leb

Whatever you do don't start reverting(undoing) the vandals work. It leads to edit wars and such. What kind of vandalism is it? Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 17:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalsim Award

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Thank you for reverting vandalism and always beating me to it Yamaka122 ...:) 21:28, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

And another thing your talk page could use another archive :) Yamaka122 ...:) 21:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

the things on the discussion page are pointless to be there, they simply take up space or serve no purpose but to show past futile arguments, I'm sorry to have disrupted you, but I was simply cleaning up. Angel of Anubis 22:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

That's fair enough. Make sure you put in an edit summary in future as such edits look like vandalism. Thank you. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 22:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Can and will do, I hate all the pointless crap on the discussion pages, and btw how exactly did you get all those nifty things for your user page? and one more thing, how do you notice when people vandalize web pages? Angel of Anubis 22:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

yes I did mean the userboxes and all of the other things on your about you page, and yes I also meant the articles, talk pages, etc. Angel of Anubis 22:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

its not confusing, i understand... Angel of Anubis 22:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

YES I'M NOT

I have nothing to hide but nobody believes me!!Melodic Horror

Eh, don't bother.

I reported Oscarrobertson a couple of minutes ago. He's a dead man typing. HalfShadow 21:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The guy has just been blocked indef. Yay Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

My Shoe

I clicked thew wrong thing.

can you delete My Shoe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_shoe

Thanks.

Cranberry Township, Butler County, Pennsylvania

You recently reverted an IP here and gave a warning for blanking content. The same IP has now properly removed the worst parts. My question is, did you actually take a glance at what you were restoring? —AldeBaer (c) 13:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed you had reverted to that version earlier [5], [6]. What should have been reverted was the introduction of those completely unsourced sections in question by Towens81 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Please take a look at what you are reverting to.—AldeBaer (c) 13:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

To give you an impression: You reverted back to a version that contained the following bits:

"-Cranberry has the worst fireworks display in America"

"-Many local establishments are owned by Arabs/Indians ( no one can tell the difference )"

—AldeBaer (c) 13:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Mistakes happen to all of us, it was just that you and two others had reverted back to that version several times, so I decided to notify you, no harm done. —AldeBaer (c) 15:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Melodic Horror

AOS-Melodic Horror has vandalized my talkpage with an offensive comment-please warn or block him.--Xterra1 16:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh,sorry-I thouht you were an admin.--Xterra1 16:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I noticed on xterra talk page you said if he makes to more personal attacks he can be blocked. Well he personally attacked me twice yesterday:

Here is the first incident.[7]

As I was reporting the first one I found he wasn't done demeaning me.[8]

And he has insulted me again today.[9]

Hope you can include this in whatever report you filed.Hoponpop69 20:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit: Just found another incident where he did it again today.[10]

lol

I only say that because their bother me! i dont hit or kill anybody! and i'm f****** crazy too!^^ cALM DOWN!! but i say no more crazy or you better care about yourself or something! Melodic Horror

IT'S OK

I stop with that! i understood it! Melodic Horror

OK

But he change the genre of The Paramour Sessions WITH NO reason! but the whole time there was written post-hardcore and alternative rocK!! please talk with him Melodic Horror

Help with filing a three revert report

I reported him for violating the 3rr but my report never showed up. Heres how I filed it[11]. Can you help me fix whatever I did wrong/Hoponpop69 20:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh and he's also broken the 3rr here.[12]

Fixed it, you changed the example; you're supposed to copy. You should also probably fix the "version reverted to" and sign it. Gscshoyru 21:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Your blockedsoon template

Hi! I saw your template - User:AngelOfSadness/Sandbox/Template:Blocked Soon - on a user's page that you reported to AIV, and I'm concerned as to the message it's conveying: First, they've already been warned that they'll be blocked. The only information it provides is that they'll be reported, and the way it is worded, in addition to the color, makes it feel like the user's being mocked, and it also shows them where they've been reported, so they could possibly vandalize that page as well. If you want to tell a user that they've been reported, I'd suggest doing it is a more serious way, perhaps using the stop sign image rather than the face. I don't see much need to use it at all, though. --ST47Talk·Desk 15:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Buy.com

An administrator confirmed that this is not a revert war. Thanks for your reminder though. - 66.68.143.48 16:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Just some stuff Wan't to chat about

So the Kiss of Dawn single comes out a whopping week before Venus Doom :], and I'm going to try to preorder the LE version of Venus Doom :D it looks so pretty haha, how about you? Also I made another friend in Ireland (forgot where he lives haha), sometime in the future I am probably flying in to Ireland to see him (and you know the land that my ancestors came from <3). So when that day comes we could totally meet and discuss...something hah! Listen to some HIM maybe :]. --NekoD 17:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeh my friend who lives in ireland lives 30mi south of Dublin :D (PS) The limited edition is 50 dollars USD which is about 37 Euros :], your welcome <3. --NekoD 00:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

He probably lives in Wicklow somewhere then. I was thinking 50 euro including postage & packing but it's till worth it. I think I will wait to see if Amazon are selling it because they usually have stuff at half the price.Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 13:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

hello lady

why do you stick up for kenny g and phill collins, do you work or just volenteer, dont you have better things to do, well i was going to be mean, but your from ireland and thats cool how is ireland,

I'm a recent changes monitor who watches for edits like yours. If you continue to make edits like you did to Kenny G and Phil Collins, you will be blocked from editing. No joke about it. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 11:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks

thanks for trying to discuss the Buy.com revert battle with the anonymous user. They won't engage in any discussion at all and simply revert every day. Anyway, I am actually from the Wee County originally but live in US now. Hope Ireland is sunny -- and stays sunny until November when I go home for a week :) Not very likely.Emccsm 01:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. The guy was breaking the seriously in breach of the 3RR and I decided to warn him. If he continues, make a 3RR report on him because that kind of behaviour is really not on. Anyway, Ireland has been raining constantly for two months. Many people believe it is because Rihanna's Umbrella has been number one for 10 weeks. They just said on the radio this morning that we will get our summer from the 15th of August but until then it will be raining. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 10:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the first I've heard of Rihanna -- I've been away from home too long. Get that song out of the charts though just in case. I don't think the other user is being malicious -- I think they genuinely believe I am being malicious but hopefully we can work with each other to figure out where the contentions lie. There's always a happy medium!User:Emccsm 05:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I think Rihanna's reign was ended by Fergie a week back but that doesn't stop hearing Umbrella non-stop on the radio. You seem to want to talk it out but he just keeps giving warnings. He probably thinks your edits are disruptive but him not talking and giving template "test" warnings are a hell of a lot more disruptive. He is actually being incredebly uncivil which is a huge no-no. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 14:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Valary DiBenedetto

i don't know what you are talking about but i did hear that they did break up due to differences so why not tell the world. i don't see how that is violating.

Making edits like this is vandalism unless you have sources for it. And regarding their break-up, reference it with reliable sources or it will be deleted. Thank you Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 11:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

what do you mean leave it with a reference are you saying that i am lying because i sent on myspace a message to m.shadows [Matt] on the a7x myspace and asked him and he said yes they did break up.

Without a reference, from a reliable source, the information just looks like spectulation and rumour. If something was said on a news website like MTV or CNN or something like that great. But MySpaces are not reliable sources as many "celebrity" MySpaces are actually fakes and I could send you a list of links to fake MySpaces to back that up. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 17:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Twin paradox

Hey... thanks for sorta closing ranks with me, though it wasn't nearly necessary. I've already accidentally gone past the 3RR... oops... so if you could deal with his last vandalism warning, etc, on the page, that'd be good. Explain to him that he should discuss with those who understand the topic that the facts presented are irrelevant, before simply removing them, and that we didn't write the article, we're just trying to prevent vandalism. Ok? Thanks!! Gscshoyru 13:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 13:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I gave him a final warning and he has stopped reverting the page. Now he's using the talk page to discuss the matter with other editors.Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 13:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Which is the way it should be. Thanks. Gscshoyru 13:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Again no problem. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 13:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Melodic Horror II

AOS-good news-Melodic Horror got blocked indefintely! I'm happythat s&%#head ate it,are you?--Xterra1 17:57, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I had the report on my watchlist, went out for an hour, came back and found he had been blocked. It's wonderful news now I'll be able to enjoy my holiday when it starts of course :D. Although the title you left on my talk page scared me for a second because I thought you were saying he created another account under that name. Thank god it isn't. I now get to take the articles he edited of my watchlist. But if you get any angry comments like he sent you and/or see edits like his again, leave a message on my talk page. Hopefully he'll stay away, but seeing as he was found to be a more disruptive sock of AFI-PUNK, I wouldn't be surprised if he showed his face around these quarters again. Maybe he'll be dumb enough to leave a completely random angry message our talk pages. At least we don't have to deal with him now. It's time for celebration and a dance :D Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 18:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Yah-tah-tah-tah-tah-.................(can-can)--Xterra1 20:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for warning that anonymous IP (well, I presume anonymous IP) about vandalism to my user page. Strange that one year of involvement in East European edit conflicts and now a week in Belgian ones, did not lead to anyone vandalizing, but deleting a personal attack on DerHexer (Talk) at a third party's (well, I presume third party's) talk page (see this to know what the reason was) netted two instances. --Pan Gerwazy 19:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you for your assistance on my talk page

Thanks in regard to your restoring my talk page content. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 21:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. :D Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Userbox div has a horizontal scrollbar

I don't know if this was intended, but the div containing your userboxes is not wide enough on a display resolution of 1024x768, so it has a horizontal scrollbar. --Noerrorsfound 00:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

If it's on my "about me" page, I actually don't know how to fix it to be suitable for those dimensions as my screen is 1280x1024 so I dont' know how it looks on a 1024x768 screen. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 13:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Here's a screenshot: [13] You can temporarily change your resolution to 1024x768 while attempting to fix it, so you can see when you've gotten it to be wide enough.. --Noerrorsfound 16:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Nomination for Adminship

I have nominated you for adminship, I strongly encourage you accept the nomination here. Hoponpop69 06:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the nomination, seriously I wasn't expecting it. But I don't know if I can accept it yet as I only created my account two months ago and there's is still so much that I don't know about wikipedia. I know I have done a fair amount of vandalism/sockpuppet fighting(for a newbie anyway) but I still want to make a stub article into a proper article (or something along those lines). I really appreciate the nomination but I think it would be better to nominate me when I feel like I know what I'm doing and I've made the super article which is currently stored in my head :D. When I create it, I will post a link to it on my talk page (I'll probably be very proud of it) and it'll be then when the nominations might start. But really thanks for having so much faith and confidence in what I have done here at wikipedia. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 13:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, AngelOfSadness. I think you helped to clean up my user page from vandalism a little while back. Anyway, I noticed the above message regarding an adminship nomination, and I strongly encourage not to accept. It's not that I think you're unqualified (actually, I think you'd be absolutely great!), but I know the rest of Wikipedia will show you no mercy at all. I have had two nominations already, one when I was 2-3 months experienced, and the other when I was 5-6 months experienced. Both failed (and the first one wasn't pretty). The users who run (constantly vote) on RfA's will only pass someone who, in my opinion, is rather like Superman. You must meet the following statistics to pass:

• Be a balanced editor (perfect mix of good article-editing with good vandal fighting).
• High edit count (no less than 4,000 total, with at least 2,000 in mainspace and 1,000 in Wikipedia-space).
• No serious blocks in your block log.
• No evidence of any incivility (one single comment that you made two months ago could come back and haunt you forever when some overzealous admin-voter sniffs it out).
• Plenty of experience in AfD's.
• At least 6 months of active experience (and that's pushing it :-])

In light of all this, I can (unfortunately) guarantee that you will not pass. I would probably be the only one to support you. Just stick around for a few more months and keep up all the hard work (and especially get active in article writing a little more), and maybe I'll nominate you in the future. But please, don't put yourself through such a depressing experience like I did twice. See you around, and Happy Editing! -- P.B. Pilhet 18:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi P.B. Pilhet, thanks for the kind words regarding my Rfa(it even feels weird to type it). I was thinking the exact same things that you said that's why I declined the Rfa nomination. I know I'm alright at vandal fighting but I still haven't made that super great article/contribution which would be shown off proudly in the almighty Rfa nomination report(which almost seems like a resume in a way).

I was also thinking that this Rfa would be in no way successful as I've seen some Rfa nomination reports, and some of the comments on them are so brutally honest that it's scary. But there is a lot of editors that are like that (the Simon Cowells of Wikipedia when it comes to Rfa nominations), they might expect to see a huge orchestra playing Carmina Burana. Instead they see a lone singer/songwriter stumbling to center stage, spotlight following shortly behind, while playing a badly-written, two minute song on an out-of-tune guitar while the singer is so nervous that their voice keeps cracking in and out of key. Unfortunately my edits currently would be a lot like the latter performance and a lot of the other editors know that. But I'm going to keep learning the tricks of editing and I will use them to write the super great article I have in my head. And hopefully the next time I'm nominated will be when my edits are more like a Carmina Burana performance and it will please Simon Cowell. Thanks again and Happy Editing!! :D Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 20:40, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you see reason :-) I wish I had seen reason before going through my first RfA; though I wasn't too downhearted after failing it, because I kinda knew I would. I simply used it for feedback. However, I was quite disappointed after my second one failed. The "standards" at Wikipedia for RfA's are currently way, way too high right now. Like you said, they're pretty much all Simon Cowells expecting a spectacular performance. The way I see it, the only way to pass an RfA is if you basically live on Wikipedia. It's too bad, because I would like to be an admin; but I also want to have a life. And since I have to choose between the two of them, I choose the life. See you around! -- P.B. Pilhet 01:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

• As an uninvolved drive-by lurker... you've got the right idea on RFA; it would be kamikaze to accept one right now (well, not quite that bad) and a failed RFA can be a brutal process. Still, you don't necessarily have to live on Wikipedia, you just need to be around for a while (6 months to 1 year generally) and prove to people that you can be trusted with the tools. It's not nearly as hard as it sounds, you just need to know the right areas to involve yourself in.--Isotope23 ^talk 20:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Cool so I don't have to worry about Rfa nominations especially right now. Thanks for putting my mind at ease. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

If you are interested in becoming an admin some day... it's probably a good idea to involve yourself in activities other than vandal fighting as well. Vandal fighting is an important function, but to be an admin you need to demonstrate that you understand policies and guidelines by participating in deletion discussions, reviewing WP:PROD articles, helping out at WP:ANI... etc.--Isotope23 ^talk 19:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I have dabbled in various other fields(like sockpuppet reports,deletion discussions,speedy deletions etc) besides vandal fighting. I will contribute to other fields once I have learned more about the various polices and guidelines attached to them. But I'm in no hurry to become an admin any time soon as I still consider myself as newbie even though I've been here about two and a half months.Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 19:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Is this another sock of AFI-Punk?

[14] Hoponpop69 17:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

This guy doesn't look like to be another sock as his IP address can be traced to Melbourne, Austrailia where as AFI-PUNK lived in Germany. Also some of the edits may be similar but they're not all to do with Papa Roach. But thanks for keeping a lookout for another sock. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 20:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

F-E 07

The arcticle:Precambrian was accidently edited by user: Lemur 2007 on temperary use of user:Falcon-Eagle2007. SAT, 10:54 PM(UK)

I'm sorry but I'm failing to see what exactly is the problem is. Also neither of the editors you mentioned edited the article in recent times. You can see for yourself here. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

What's up with the name?

Are you sad? --Ranvir Sena 10:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah no I'm a vandalism fighter and I found that vandalism makes angels sad. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 13:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

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Email

Could you send me an email at Prodego@gmail.com. There is a private issue I would like to discuss with you. Thank you, Prodego ^talk 19:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have replied to your responce. Prodego ^talk 22:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Revert Shang-Chi and welcome.

Thank you for your revert of the Shang-Chi article. It was my first time editing 'pedia from the Wii console and didn't notice it cut off half of the article. Thanks again!

Confusion

I am a bit confused with what you meant by me deleting something? I did not understand this.

Thanks

You kept deleting the "speedy deletion notice" from the top of the Chris Los page which I had inserted. Deleting it is considered bad practice. See here for what you were deleting. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 19:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Userpage

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my userpage, and updating the vandalism count. -Flubeca^Talk 19:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

No problemo Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 19:21, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Shannen Doherty

I apologize for prematurely jigging to the wrong conclusion regarding Ms. Doherty. My brother-in-law, who recently suffered a tragic loss (and has not been handling it well), informed me about her supposed passing. Had I known that his source was Mr. Fortright, I would have done a more thorough fact-checking. I apologize if I offended you in any way, and please pass on my sincere apology to Ms. Doherty. I wish her the best as I am a big fan of Beverly Hills 90210. Thanks for keeping my troubled brother in check. Cheers.

It would have been better if you had made a quick google news search before writing that, as such edits are considered vandalism. But if it were true, the article would have been already updated following news reports as fans would editing the article as the news is breaking. Please be more careful with future edits. Thank you Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 00:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Once again, I sincerely apologize. You have brightened my though, now knowing that Ms. Doherty is in fact alive and well. I understand what you are saying about fans quickly updating the page, however, that is why I updated it when John told me about it. I am a big fan of Ms. Doherty. I have a 3' x 4' poster of her on my basement wall. I do not mean to be intrusive, but how do you know Ms. Doherty? I really would love to meet her.

It's fine. I actually have never met Shannen Doherty. I too am a fan of hers(from watching the early episodes of Charmed). I am just an editor here on wikipedia, but I wouldn't be surprised if she has edited her own article. I heard that Lily Allen tried to do that with hers, but the main editors of the article wouldn't except the changes or something like that. Anyway, again don't worry about it and Happy Editing Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 15:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

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Barnstar

		The Purple Star
		I award the purple barnstar to you for having endured many personal attacks and yet you continue to fight vandals.--Just James T/C 08:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the barnstar :D Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 15:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my talk page. One again Thanks! Djmckee1 - Talk-Sign 17:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I suspected this guy could be trouble when I saw he added nearly 7000 kb to your talk page. Every kb was pure vandalism and now he has been blocked indef. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 17:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:External Links

Hi! Bob here. Vis a vis your message:

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, the external links you added to the page Automatic writing do not comply with our guidelines for external links. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Angel Of Sadness T/C 18:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I was trying to update the link to my article on how to channel by automatic writing - the article is the same, but the old link went to my old website www.dearbrutus.com (which is about to expire)whereas the new link goes to my blog www.whatismagic.com. I can't interact with people who have questions or who want more information from the old website, but I will be able to do this from the blog. I made the link change again, if there's some reason why this is not okay please let me know. - Bob BobMak 19:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

There is two of reasons why the link shouldn't be inserted as per the external links guidelines:

1. It's a blog
2. It's a link that could be intended to promote a website

Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 20:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

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Harsh?

Hello. This and the related user message seemed to me a little harsh. Is everything OK? Best wishes, RobertG ♬ talk 16:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah everything is grand. I took a look at their edit to the article and nothing actually helped the article like changing "The film closes on a shot of the Myers house and the sound of Michael breathing beneath his mask." to "The film closes on the color black."(An unhelpful change seeing as most movie close on the colour block). Also 6000 kb were removed by the edit(when viewing from the RC) including info about the film sequels. None of the changes were spoken about on the talk page and no edit summary whatsoever. The edit, to me, looked pretty unconsructive that's why i reverted it as vandalism as the edit had nonsense included and possiple valuable content removed/altered. Anyway I gave them a level 1(removal of content) as I thought marking it as vandalism level 1 would be too harsh. Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 16:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, yes you were probably right! :-) --RobertG ♬ talk 16:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for defending my user page! – Dreadstar † 17:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

No problemo.Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 17:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for defending mine as well. :) --Moonriddengirl 20:37, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

KOSH

Angel, I placed a test template on my page that I'm working on and apparantly you've deleted it. Oddly enough on your page you state that you're actually on vacation. So am I to assume that what actually removed the image was your bot and not you ? If so, it's in violation of Wikipedia:Bot_policy. Thanks KoshVorlon 20:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not on vacation yet, I leave tomorrow. Anyway, I thought an IP was vandalising your bot's page, so I reverted it. I didn't know the IP address was yourself making a test edit. I'm sorry for deleting the test template. BTW I don't have a bot Angel Of Sadness ^T/C 21:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

My comment to you was harsh - so I appologize for it. In the future, I'll be sure to sign in to my page before making any changes. About the bot comment, I though you already were on vacation. My bad! It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion, It is by the beans of java that my thoughts aquire speed. The thoughts aquire speed,the hands aquire trembling,the trembling becomes a warning. It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion 11:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

No problemo :D AngelOfSadness talk 16:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Smile! Again!

Xterra1 (talk)(Work) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Happy days! I want you to know I want you to feel good with lots of WikiLove!!--Xterra1 (talk)(Work) 02:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

A Lovely Big Smile!

Djmckee1 - Talk-Sign has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Lots Of Happy Editing!! Djmckee1 - Talk-Sign 07:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

New Signature

Here is a brand new signature!

[[User:AngelOfSadness|<span style="background: #FFFDD0; color: #08E8DE;"> AngelOfSadness </span>]][[User_talk:AngelOfSadness|<span style="background: #FFD700; color: #1E90FF;"> talk </span>]]

Enjoy! Its a big improvement on your old one. RuneWiki⁷⁷⁷ 14:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I love it. Thank you so much :D AngelOfSadness talk 16:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Superquinn

You said I vandalized that superquinn wiki page. It is the truth what I said. So who are you to judge me like that. The Superquinn site was or is hacked and tries to intall a trojan horse on your computer. I was trying to help people there. I even wrote an email to Superquinn and the media to warn about the hacked site. So before you judge, make sure you are right. I do not vandalize any pages. I make true and verified contributions.

Taken from wiki about reverts:

Do not revert good faith edits. In other words, try to consider the editor "on the other end." If what one is attempting is a positive contribution to Wikipedia, a revert of those contributions is inappropriate unless, and only unless, you as an editor possess firm, substantive, and objective proof to the contrary. Mere disagreement is not such proof. See also Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith. Generally there are misconceptions that problematic sections of an article or recent changes are the reasons for reverting or deletion. If they contain valid information, these texts should simply be edited and improved accordingly. Reverting is not a decision which should be taken lightly.

Eurocanna 19:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I have answered this on Eurocanna's talk page. -- P.B. Pilhet 22:13, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks P.B. :D AngelOfSadness talk 16:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey Angel, I see my comment and your action resluted in a lot of back and forth communications. Well, I think everything started with the click on a wrong button. I appreciate the appology and accept it with a big smile. I understand you are working hard to fight vandalism which is a good thing. So we're good. A saw you live in Dublin. Thats just great, me too. What a coincidence. A Dutchman lost in Dubs ;-) Eurocanna 07:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the vandalism count just encourage vandalism?

Telling how many times your page has been vandalized seems like it will just give people the idea to vandalize it. --Noerrorsfound 23:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it's better that they vandalise my page and not the articles themselves which other people have spent hours editing. I find vandalism on userpages is a lot easier to spot on the RC than vandalism on actual articles, therefore the vandal gets caught quicker and the action taken is a lot faster. AngelOfSadness talk 16:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

<3

I'm totally down with PLUR :D. --NekoD 03:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Really I have no idea what PLUR is about. All I know is that 1 account and 3 IP's went on a crazy vandalism rage with that article. And I had to deal with all four vandalizing all at once. The all did the same edits so I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same person. AngelOfSadness talk 13:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I know I'm awesome ;], I had just done the Cover Art edit and I was like hmm...This looks like to much I should split them up. --NekoD 20:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

And you got there ahead of me. I found out something really interesting today when reading Valo Daily(Ville fan-girl community and no I'm not a member :D). Someone said that they went to a VD listening party put on by Warner and found out that the current cover is not going to be the cover at all. They also said that a new cover would be announced shortly(in the next few days). Anyway this has caused a huge buzz at Valo Daily and the heartagram forums but there hasn't been an announcement as of yet. In light of this, I think we should watch the VD article very closely in the next few days as people may try to insert fake(homemade) covers of the album. AngelOfSadness talk 20:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeh I have the official HIM thread over on gaiaonline.com and my 2nd in command is a user on there. That is why I changed the info to reflect these rumors but if you notice I made it say we are not sure...I was pretty sure all alone that the current image was not going to be OFFICIAL, No text or anything on the cover...or Heartagrams. --NekoD 20:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think many people believed it would be the cover considering it did not feature Ville or a heartagram on the cover. I know many fans were disappointed when the original cover was released. Maybe because of fan reception of the cover is why it's being changed but it seems a bit late to change the cover now as the album may have already gone into production for next month's release. If the cover is changing, hopefully it won't affect the release date of the album. AngelOfSadness talk 20:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Mhmm I'm pretty sure they have the cd's pressed and they are just trying to do cover stuff final packaging. :] --NekoD 20:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Here's me obviously not know how the process of album production works. You probably already know about this but, I found this and it's quite interesting. AngelOfSadness talk 20:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually no I didn't but thanks, I'm sure the guys on my thread will appreciate this....Me and my 2nd in command we have a little Theory going on btw, but if it is true it is being done so well we just can't really tell...But basically we keep getting these leaks of Venus Doom songs (leaks, full versions different from singles etc) and I told my second in command that these leaks are WAY to coincidental aka it's promo, WB/Squire is doing this on purpose. This new leak of KoD proves it even farther, and actually if you think about it......We just had somebody post on a HIM fan site that they got to learn all this stuff about the album at a WB listening party...uhh...every day joe blow fans and such DO NOT get invited to those sort of things, even if they have "friends" in the biz. Basically I think that person is planted there to leak stuff to us cause all the leaked songs are generating from LJ pretty much and the people who are leaking it are like "omg I got the song" yeh HOW did you get it? ... anyhow :] they are doing a GJ of not letting info leak to let people KNOW they are leaking it. --NekoD 20:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I can add some things to your theory. I can't remember who in which forum said this but: The owner of Funerofhearts.com(fansite) was given a copy of the promo and told about the song and that there's a hidden track of Ville talking at the end of the album. The person who wrote this said not to even think about asking the owner for mp3s of the songs. Coincidence? Funny enough someone edited the VD article a while back inserting "Ville talking" as the last track. This should be part of one of those conspiricy shows E.g "do aliens exist?""who shot JR?""was Venus doom leaked by "accident?". Anyway only time will tell if anything is true. AngelOfSadness talk 21:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Haha I love it! :], also love how you pretty much called Ville an alien and he should be the next US president ;] --NekoD 21:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't imply that he is or was an alien. Chances are there is people building this theory as we speak. Anyway, there's a lot of fan-girls who wouldn't mind the latter(trust me I've seen people say it...scary). Aliens for thinking it and believing it could happen :D AngelOfSadness talk 21:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Ahh the alien thing was a joke on my part but I am not surprised about the Pres thing, though we both know Ville would never do that. I'm tired of wiki messages, AIM or MSN? Even yahoo though I hate it. pretty much to message me on one of those three do deconxdiaboli for Y! or AIM and just add a @hotmail.com for msn :] --NekoD 22:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Msn and I'll message now AngelOfSadness talk 22:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

user:AngelOfSadness/About Me

Hi there. Hope you don't mind. This page was tagged with a concealed {{speedy}} tag. I was unable to find it, but have removed it by reverting to the last edit made by yourself. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 22:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't mind. Thanks for finding and removing it. Your edit actually fixed the page back to how it should look :D. AngelOfSadness talk 22:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes. That was what I intended!!--Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 22:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Ahh OK. Thanks again. :D AngelOfSadness talk 22:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome. It's a well planned and attractive page. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 22:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind comment. I'm glad you think so as when I first created it I didn't know at all what I was doing. But it does look nice because of other editors like yourself making improvements to it which I may not have thought of. Also since it's a subpage, it's never attacked by vandals. They always vandlise the cover of the book which is extremely easy to spot on the RC. AngelOfSadness talk 22:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Userbox

Also, I had to change your zero-tolerance userbox; the template you used has been elided. But the one i have inserted says the same thing, in perhaps a more striking format. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 23:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :D AngelOfSadness talk 17:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

No problem at all. Cheers! --Ratiocinate ^{(t • c)} 20:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Bioshock change

I removed the information from the bioshock page for 2 specific reasons: A) It was inaccurate, and B) it gave away major game spoilers without any heading, or otherwise. I felt that was unacceptable, and that my actions were justified

You could have just put a spoiler warning in or insert the headings yourself. Deleting mass amounts of content doesn't fix anything especially without an explaination in an edit summary or a disscusion on the talk page. AngelOfSadness talk 21:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Acne Vulgaris change

The second, third fourth and fifth paragraphs of this article should be deleted immediately. The information contained in these paragraphs is completely un-cited. These paragraphs are written sophomorically (in such a way as to be meaningless), contain inaccuracies and factually incorrect material, and serve only to perpetuate confusion on, and misinformation and misunderstanding of, an already too-misunderstood, myth-laden issue.

For example, the statement, "Surface infections are called zits whereas the deeper ones are called pustules" (besides suggesting acne is infectious, which it is not, although a proliferation of a constituent of the normal flora of the skin is involved), makes a useless and meaningless distinction, is incorrect and contradictory. "Zit" is a lay term, that is applied to any acne lesion (as the very first paragraph of the article itself states!), and "pustule" is a medical term, along with "macule", "papule", "nodule" and "cyst", describing various types of dermatological lesions, any of which may be symptomatic of acne. A "pustule", therefore, may be described as a "zit". A "pustule" would be "deeper" (to use the author's word, although, again, it is not the most useful, informative or descriptive) than a "papule" (the red or pinkish inflamed "surface" bumps commonly seen in acne and absent of the visible pus characteristic of a "pustule").

I came to Wikipedia as a single source for the latest references and cited material on the issue of acne vulgaris, as I do for many other subjects, and was shocked and horrified to see the inclusion of such blatantly un-cited and anecdotal material in an article that should be anything but. We must not allow this to continue to be the case.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.252.59 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 23 August 2007

That's fine but deleting mass amount of content without explaination or discussing it on the talk page does look a lot like vandalism. Nearly half of vandalism edits on wikipedia are unexplained(no edit summary or discussion content blanking like what you did here and I would know being an vandalism patroller. But I'm glad you decided to talk to me before deleting the content again. I'm not a contributor of the article itself so I don't know much about it's content.This will mean you might have to wait a few days before getting feedback on it's content from the other editors. All I can say is please be patient and if you don't get a reply, look up the articles edit history and find out who the main editors are. Then post a comment a message of your findings on their talk pages and hopefully they will respond. Happy Editing AngelOfSadness talk 22:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, the anon continued to revert and I have blocked for 24hrs, as per WP:3RR, to stop this disruption and permit other editors to start discussing the discussion thread started. David Ruben ^Talk 22:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I was also going to tell him of 3RR but it somehow slipped my mind when writing the above message. Thanks. AngelOfSadness talk 23:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry - had been repeatedly warned on not continually blanking :-) David Ruben ^Talk 23:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I know - I gave them a few of the warnings but didn't seem to understand wikipedia's policies so they continued and ended up getting blocked. Hopefully they will use this time to review wikipedia's policies. AngelOfSadness talk 23:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Blanking own Talk page

Just an FYI, an editor removing comments/warnings from their own Talk page as User:Donimus6969 is doing is not vandalism. It's a little uncivil, but you can do it, so you shouldn't revert it. Now his blanking of User:WebHamster's Talk page is a different matter entirely. -- Gogo Dodo 23:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was slightly strange that he blanked it one minute after recieving the warning. If he didn't blank so soon, I would have left it. But since he continued blanking so I left it be as I know nothing gets solved that way and giving him a warning for blanking his own talk page would be as disruptive. I think it's time for bed as I'm falling asleep on my keyboard. Thanks for the reminder which made me remember policies which I had somehow forgotten after my recent vacation. AngelOfSadness talk 00:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re your message: No worries. =) It took me awhile to remember that policy change, too. That particular editor was not happy about a previous warning and appeared to be taking it out on the other editor, so I can see why he was continuing to blank his talk page. Anyways, it's a minor thing, so no need to worry about it like I said. -- Gogo Dodo 18:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

A lot of IP adresses an new account tend to be like that but instead of reverting their edits, I leave a friendly comment on their talk page. Unfortuntely this doesn't stop them from blanking again as I've just found out. But I guess they just don't what to talk to anyone which kind of defeats the whole purpose of a talk page. Anyway consider the matter off my worrylist :D AngelOfSadness talk 18:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Re your message: I have a different view on blanking with anonymous IPs. I'm more inclined to revert an anonymous IP blanking their talk page, especially if it's obviously a very heavily shared address and has a long list of warning. As for new editors, well, they read the warning, so the point as been made. If they think it's going to clear their record by blanking, I have a pretty good memory. Not seeing my previous warning when I return for the second warning is usually a big red flag. ;) -- Gogo Dodo 21:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Also clicking a blue link to a users talkpage which is blank is also a big red flag. Or is it blue flag. Anyway, in this case I look through the page's edit history to find warnings. But sometimes there isn't time for searching as the user could be vandalising at a fairly fast pace, so a warning(depending on the vandalism extent) will be placed on the talk page. AngelOfSadness talk 21:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Cheese and Crackers

Thank you for your template post on this article. This user seems to be related to a blocked public high school for which I am soon to assume responsibility for. I'll let one of the admin know personally. --Amaraiel 14:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I saw the article was just an opinion on a "skater DVD" or something. I had know idea that this user had caused so much trouble before. Thanks in advance for letting an admin know about the current situation regarding this user AngelOfSadness talk 14:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

One of my sons were playing with the computer of my friend, we are visiting him, please acknowledge this notification, it will no happen next time, thank you. -74.64.0.115 14:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

That's fine seeing as it wasn't yourself. I'm glad you decided to talk to me regarding the warning. Happy Editing AngelOfSadness talk 14:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The "wikipedia is evil" guy

Just thought you'd like to know, it looks as though this guy is just a troll looking for a response. Check out the entirety of that IP's previous edit portfolio...as well as the histrionic nature of the 'Complaints' =) So I wouldn't sweat it about Ben 10 Gekedo 18:31, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I know. I still am assuming good faith with the matter anyway. But he hasn't edited since and I left a message on his talk page and replied to the message he left of the articles talk page. I'm going to wait and see if he continues with the matter regarding Ben10. But thanks for the heads up. AngelOfSadness talk 20:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Now I can thank you too for the revert on my userpage (8 seconds) :) --Oxymoron⁸³ 20:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. :D AngelOfSadness talk 20:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Szczekociny

I am very sorry, but there are no souurces I can quote. The town was in ignorance of its Jewish history as said. teachers are just in the process of rewriting it as it whould be. Do you think it is "fair" to keep the wikipedia therefore in ignorance. The best I can quote is that 1500 Jews of Szczekociny were deported through the German genocide program for that area named [Operation Reinhard]. On the web information hereto can be found via http://holocaust-info.dk/ Choose deportations to Treblinka death Camp and you will find:

"Jerdrzejow Jerdrzejow September 16-25 6,000 Sedziszow September 16-25 1,000 Szczekociny September 16-25 1,500 Wloszczowa September 16-25 5,000 Wodzislaw September 16-25 3,000" END OF QUOTE

Also there is a web link with full details here in Hebrew: http://www.szczekociny.org However it is in Hebrew I thought would be unsuitable for the English wiki version.

It wouldbe nice if you could reinstate my contribution and find a way to add this stuff in, in the way you think would be wiki-appropriate. With kind regards dz.research

I have to remind you that adding content to wikipedia without a known source available is considered original research which isn't allowed even if the claims are true. Without the addition of good source, I'm afraid the information can't be included. I can't do anything with the sources you provided as the first one was about something else entirely(i.e will not back up the claims) and the second was in hebrew. Unfortunately this means I can't revert the edit as there's no source stating the claims. All I can say is keep searching the internet for a source which 1. says exactly what you want to put in the article, and 2. is in english. If you are not sure about the link WP:External links should help you to decide if the link is appropriate for the article. If you have any further questions, post a message on my talk page-- AngelOfSadness talk 16:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

No problem! I thought at first it was just a big misunderstanding. Never underestimate trolls ;) -- lucasbfr ^talk 18:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

20:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)~

Re:Spam

i dont know how to leave a message here but i was not promoting or advertising anything, I was leaving a link to a photo gallery of a band, that was a non commercial site with no advertising whatsoever. lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.166.217 (talk) 20:13, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

You added the same link of that website to at least 30 other band's articles. It's seems like you are trying to promote the website in some way which is spamming. See WP:External Links for links to be avoided. AngelOfSadness talk 20:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

and each is to photos of that band, with no advertising or anything commercial not even pop up ads, it is all relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.166.217 (talk) 20:21, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Again it's a link to a website which you added to at least 30 other band articles. Even if it's to seperate pages each time, it's still from the same website. You added the link numerous times to different article which is spamming. Sorry but I'm not the maker of these rules. AngelOfSadness talk 20:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

no problem, I just do not see how it is spamming, can you quote it from the wiki rule book? I could under stand if its just the same domain and not different pages from that domain (because i am sure there are many links to the same site all over wiki but different pages), or if it was a commercial site trying to make money off of advertisements, but it is just photos that are relevant to the article.

for example, look at the scary kids page, notice that interview for driven far off, they have many links all over also, but you dont consider that spam also?

The same thing happened a while back when a photographer did the exact same thing that you did only he owned the website he was linking. But I had to explain the exact same thing to him as I'm explaining now to you. If you look under important points to remember: point 3 states :Try to avoid linking to multiple pages from the same website; instead, try to find an appropriate linking page within the site. also in links to be avoided: point 13 Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject: the link should be directly related to the subject of the article. A general site that has information about a variety of subjects should usually not be linked to from an article on a more specific subject. Similarly, a website on a specific subject should usually not be linked from an article about a general subject. If a section of a general website is devoted to the subject of the article, and meets the other criteria for linking, then that part of the site could be deep-linked. But generally spam or caravassing which is what you did isn't allowed. I'll try to find the bit about carravassing now. Also linking interviews is a different cattle of fish altogether AngelOfSadness talk 20:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

So the driven far off site, with advertising, thats doing the same thing with interviews is ok? lol

so still from what you posted i do not see anything wrong, I posted the "appropriate linking page within the site", and the photos are directly related to the subject, are they not? I did not post the page with all the gallerys, i posted the page with that specific gallery of photos of that band. So what is Deep Linking, should I be doing that instead? I still see no valid point that this is spamming. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.166.217 (talk) 20:48, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as you seem very keen to keep these links, I'm starting to think that you are here to do point 1 of this this. But please tell me I'm wrong AngelOfSadness talk 20:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh I forgot to mention look at point five of the last wiki link please AngelOfSadness talk 20:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Point 5, last subpoint. Says it all. That's what I've been saying when I said the link was spam AngelOfSadness talk 20:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I dont really care if you delete the link or not, I am just a big music and photography fan and I sure others are also, and I post links to relevant gallery's. I just dont think that I am doing anything wrong as it is not against any rules written anywhere and its all relevant. I just read your spam page and what it is according to wiki, and that is not what I am doing, im not adding the same link to many articles, each link was a different link to a different gallery. Im not adding more than one link to a page. Its not for my website. I read that whole thing on spam and there is not one thing on there that i did. if you can prove otherwise then do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.166.217 (talk) 21:06, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

yes i read point 5, which part of it applys to me? im not adding the same link to many articles, each link was a different link to a different gallery. Im not adding more than one link to a page. Its not for my website —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.166.217 (talk) 21:10, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Ok and yet you missed Adding the same link to many articles. The first person who notices you doing this will go through all your recent contributions with an itchy trigger finger on the revert button. And that's not much fun. of how not to be a spammer taken from this page about Spam. Last subpoint of mainpoint 5 says it all.The text is written in black and white. Even if your not meaning to you are still spamming wikipedia with that link. I'm sorry but you are adding the same link(website) to many articles which is spamming. AngelOfSadness talk 21:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

When the say link, they mean website as in external links which are websites. AngelOfSadness talk 21:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

65.32.166.217 21:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC) Like I said, each link was different, it may have been titled the same, but the link was a different link, if you notice it may be the same site, but it is a different link to a different page that is relevant to the article which the rules says is ok as you cited earlier.

"A general site that has information about a variety of subjects should usually not be linked to from an article on a more specific subject. Similarly, a website on a specific subject should usually not be linked from an article about a general subject. If a section of a general website is devoted to the subject of the article, and meets the other criteria for linking, then that part of the site could be deep-linked"

"Try to avoid linking to multiple pages from the same website; instead, try to find an appropriate linking page within the site." what i did ~~

Even if it was to a different page you still added links to the website on multiple articles. Looking at your contribution history, all you did was add links to that website which is spamming. I don't know how many times I have to say it, I showed you the wikipedia policies and still believe you weren't spamming even though you went against policies by adding that link. If you had added links to other websites in the process, I would have said fine but it was the same website by the looks of it. Even if you didn't intend it, it looks like you are trying to promote that website by adding links to articles with different webpages from the website. It may be a different webpage but it's not a different website thus adding the link is spamming. Other editors will see the links as spam. I know that on some of the other articles where you added the link, other editors removed the link counting it as spam because it is. I'm sorry but what you did was against wikipedia policies. AngelOfSadness talk 21:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

anyways, im done arguing, think about this, the reason for you deleting it was this

"Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product."

In no way was i advertising or promoting, the link was not inappropriate, was not a personal site, not affiliated with it, and not seeking to attract visitors or promote anything or products, and then after I question it you say it was spam, which had nothing to do why you deleted it in the first place because the reason you did in in the first place was invalid, and its also not spam according to anything that you posted also. thats all I have to say.. maybe you should re think things before assuming. I guess I will start contributing more to wiki in different areas so my contributions wont be considered spam? because that is your only reason that you are saying that I am spamming (which im not according to wiki) ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.166.217 (talk) 21:31, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Yet again, Even if it wasn't your intention but you still added links of a singular website to multiple articles which looks as though you are trying to promote the website which is spam. Read this again to jog your memory. But if it was intended or not it is still considered spam. I've said everything, I've given you all the links to the various wikipedia policy pages. The policy pages are written so there's no confusion, you were spamming by adding that link to all those articles. Even if you dont' believe it, it's written in the wikipedia policies that I've showed you or at least directed you to. And the conclusion is you were adding spam links and wikipedia is against spam. Pure and simple. AngelOfSadness talk 21:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

You added a link of the website to the Paramore article. Here's what another editor did with that link. That's right called it linkspam. Obviously me and the other editor have learned and understood what spam at wikipedia looks like. In other websites, it may not be considered spam but at wikipedia it is. AngelOfSadness talk 21:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

according to you and one other, but not wiki's guidelines of course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.166.217 (talk) 22:03, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

It is wikipeia guidelines actually. I found a few more editors who saw it as spam also on Three Days Grace andAndrew W.K.. Maybe it's something in the water or did we all read WP:Spam especially the "how not to be a spammer" part. Seeing as you went against it, you are considered a spammer. No matter what you say will not hide the fact that you added links of a website to numerous articles and this goes against subpoint 4, point 5 of how not to be a spammer on the WP:Spam page. Even if it was different webpages of that website, you still added links of that website to numerous articles and other editors have seemed to have seen this aswell. Also other "live band photos" links of websites added by other people are also counted as spam. So it's not like you are the first. I'll try to find the page history article which I saw that in when researching your contribution history. AngelOfSadness talk 22:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the Three days grace page diff I provided in the last message, you will notice other photo links were deleted aswell as spam. And then if you look at the Andrew WK page diff, you will notice that the person that deleted the link was an admin. Just so you know, it's impossible to become an admin without knowing all of wikipedia's guildlines & policies like the back of your hand. It's impossible to have a successful Rfa(Request for adminship) without knowing everything. If an admin made a mistake deleting the link, they would have gotten endless complaints by other editors about the removal of the link. But they didn't. No-one objected so everyone must have agreed with the deletion of the link. AngelOfSadness talk 22:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

just saying you did not prove your point in the wiki rules, it seems to be a made up rule that certain admins think is right. unless it it written clearly that it is not allowed which it is not. you gotta admit to that. maybe they should revise it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.166.217 (talk) 22:43, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

"Link spam takes advantage of link-based ranking algorithms, such as Google's PageRank algorithm, which gives a higher ranking to a website the more other highly ranked websites link to it. These techniques also aim at influencing other link-based ranking techniques such as the HITS algorithm."

What i did was not link spam in any way, according to wiki's definition of link spam btw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.166.217 (talk) 23:01, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

But you're forgetting:Adding the same link to many articles. The first person who notices you doing this will go through all your recent contributions with an itchy trigger finger on the revert button. And that's not much fun.. This is part of how not to be a spammer. If you look at the very top of WP:Spam you will see a box and that box says This page is considered a content guideline on Wikipedia. It is generally accepted among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow. However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception. When editing this page, please ensure that your revision reflects consensus. When in doubt, discuss first on this page's talk page.. True the part about it's not written in stone could affect here but this is not an occasional acception as every live photo website, like the one you linked, is spam. Well known across wikipedia. It now it doesn't even matter if the link was spam or not, you still added it to multiple articles which is considered spamming. You went against the policy whether the policy is right or wrong. At this moment in time, you have broken current policy by adding the link on a whole load of articles. Seeing as policy is generally followed, it will be followed here. If the policy changes in your favour tomorrow, I'll say far enough add the link. But I seriously doubt that so I'm going by current policy.Also by the amount of guidelines that I went through today, I by far proved my point, all the way to the moon and back that you spammed wikipedia articles. Current policy and the other editors edit summaries on the articles I cited prove that.
Here's what you did in a nutshell: You went against current written wikipedia policy. It's a simple as that.<end of nutshell>But I will admit that some of the regulations need to change or at least be more specific. The photographer I mentioned in an earlier message thinks that the policies on spam and external links are very unclear aswell. I would change those policies if I could because I wouldn't mind having the live photo's external link at the end of band pages. I think a lot of those links are actually helpful to the reader. But the majority of the wikipedia community obviously think otherwise. Anyway all I'm doing is going by current policy(whether I agree with it or not) and it's pretty much saying that you went against it. That is what the warnings were for: to inform you that you were going against current wikipedia policy/guildeline. Anyway I'm tired and it's way past by bedtime. All I can say now is all the best and Happy Editing AngelOfSadness talk 23:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Oddly enough I found a message by the owner of the website on Valo Daily(Ville Valo fan community) and someone was mentioning saving the photos from the website onto their computer when the owner stepped in saying "Hello, I am the owner of ishotyourband.com, please refrain from stealing my images and reposting them. Thanks. The photo that was posted will be deleted as for any others that are stolen.ps: photobucket accounts will be deleted if found with my photos." I'm guessing they don't want people to take their images by saving them onto computers. You might find there is a lot of live photo sections in band articles but a lot of the time the links were added by the owners of the images/website for fans to use on fansites (this is based my wikipedia experience). So by linking that particular website, the link could be misleading fans into thinking that using the photos on their fansites is ok. Seeing as the owner takes copyright fairly seriously, not having this particular link may prevent future legal battles between fans/wikipedia and the owner of the images. Even though it's ok to link to copyrighted works, I would be extra careful when linking this particular website. AngelOfSadness talk 00:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

there is a difference in posting a link and enjoying the photos on a site and saving and reposting copyrighted photos, saving and reposting is copyright infringement, looking at photos on a offical site is not. besides the point, that has nothing to do with anything now does it lol.

and i guess i will start editing more posts that have nothing to do with bands so that it wont be considered linkspam, which its not, lol. which is kinda dumb thinking. haha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.166.217 (talk) 01:46, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Every edit you made to those articles was linkspam(according to WP:Spam) and I'm sick to the bone of quoting the the part of WP:Spam which you went against. The part I quoted was part of a current policy. You did the opposite of what the policy states which is the same as going against it. Therefore you went against current wikipedia policies. Pure and simple. Thats's why I gave you the warning in the first place.
Anyway, I will agree that there is a difference between looking at copyrighted photos and reposting them somewhere else. But there are a lot of fans who think that it's not copyright infrigement if they give credit as to where they got the photo from if they repost it in let's say a forum. But in the Valo Daily link I provided in the last message, the owner sure wanted to make this perfectly clear that reposting images is copyright infrigement even if given credit. Anyway, I've gotten so off point by now, very sorry. But I think it's better not to link ishotyourband.com on wikipedia articles considering the owner's views. Other owners of images whose websites are linked to wikipedia articles, put the link there themselves so fans can use the photos on their fansites without the need for permission. Linking ishotyourband.com might mislead some fans who don't know what it means by copyright infrigement into thinking that it's ok to use the photos without permission. Even if the photo's are to look at, who's to say many fans haven't already posted the photos on forums worldwide and fansites for that matter. People on buzznet and flickr have already posted these photos. It seems that not everyone knows international copyright laws like the back of their hand. I don't know much about copyrights and the like so that's why I never upload images to wikipedia let alone add external links like band photos. Even though everyone should know about copyright infrigement, a lot of people don't or they simply ignore it. They think their actions are innocent at the time but the website owner will not think so and this could start a legal battle. The person who copied the photos could point the blame on wikipedia and could sue wikipedia for misleading them and the website owner could sue wikipedia for not asking permission to link their site. But it is known people will sue other people/organisations for anything and everything even if it wasn't the organsation/persons fault. See Weird Al's "I'll sue ya" lyrics for a comical break :). You probably think I've gone way overboard with this thing and that I'm overreacting. But all I'm trying to do here is trying to prevent confusion caused by a link on a wikipedia article. Even if a serious thing like that doesn't happen, still there's no harm in deleting the link as it's not like deleting the link will prevent the article from becoming a featured article. If it can be nipped in bud now well then get me my garden clippers
And yes it would be great if you made other edits than just adding external links. But your current edit history looks of that of "a spammer" as WP:Spam puts it. I sorry but that's what it looks like to me and to other editors. Also, if you didn't know already, everything on wikipedia has to be taken with a pinch of salt. This not written in any policies but a lot of editors seem to know this and have mentioned it in various debates. That includes content, policies, whatever really. Even if the link you provided doesn't seem to be in violation itself, you only adding it to multiple articles was a violation of wikipedia policies. Anyway I'm sure your sick of discussing this like I am so the debate ends now. I will not contact you any further regarding the matters at hand. For now All the best. AngelOfSadness talk 13:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

The End's Not Near, It's Here

Hey, just letting you know that the edits you reverted by 74.117.11.63 were clearly removal of vandalism. Please take closer looks at the content that you're restoring from now on. GlassCobra (talk • contribs) 04:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: The End's Not Near, It's Here

Pardon me, but I'd like a response to my previous comment, or at least an apology to the anon editor involved. User:OwenX has already apologized. Actually, I find your warning highly ironic: "Please be careful when editing pages and do not remove content from Wikipedia without a good reason." I consider fighting vandalism a pretty good reason. As I said before, please be more diligent in reading the content that you are restoring. Even with a cursory glance you would have seen terms like "Donkey Kong" and "Rosie O'Donnell" and known that the content did not belong. GlassCobra (talk • contribs) 16:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but, in fairness, your first message didn't actually ask for a reply or even an apology for that matter. Anyway I meant to reply to the message on your talk page and his after I archived it but I got distracted with bigger, real life issues. Here is where I'm asking for forgivness for not getting back to you sooner. Clearly reverting their edit was a huge mistake and I apoligised to anon user for it. I also deleted the warning from his talkpage. Also when I reverted his edit, he didn't actually have an edit summary filled it saying "undoing vandalism" etc as it was blank. It was unexplained thats why I gave anon user that particular warning. But I apoligised now as I was clearly mistaken and everybody is happy and can move on from this experience AngelOfSadness talk 18:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough, sorry that I wasn't clearer about desiring a response. No hard feelings all around. Happy editing! GlassCobra (talk • contribs) 19:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

It's fine. No need to worry about it. I'll see you around. Happy Editing :D AngelOfSadness talk 19:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow

Wow how do you revert blankings so fast? I'm sitting in an anti vandalism IRC room clicking where it says <<<Blanked the page and then I use Twinkle and it always says "stopped reverting" because angelofsadness edited. Woah! Good job! SLSB talk • contrib 22:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you thank you. I'm guessing the page blanking was done by 24.169.235.56, I had his contribution history open at the time as I noticed he was causing quite the stir on other users pages/talkpages(Deleting content etc). He was reported to AIV and that's how I found him. I have twinkle too but I'm guessing having the users contribution history open and refreshing the page every few seconds is faster than waiting for them to make an edit at RC. I guess we learn something new everyday. Anyway they've been blocked for a week because of their behaviour. AngelOfSadness talk 22:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

my conquer antarctica

$Insertformulahere$ my conquer antarctica page is fine I just put th co. that made the flash game

Actually seeing as the article doesn't include why it's notable, it's probably going to get deleted. AngelOfSadness talk 22:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

smile

spread the wikilove (^_^)

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Deletions on Houston Texans roster

Hey, I just wanted to let you know that the deletions by User:Pats1 on Template:Houston Texans roster were legitimate - those players were cut today. He usually fills in the edit summary.►Chris Nelson 00:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

That's fair enough. I reverted it because it was an IP address deleting content without explaination(in edit summary). There have been a lot of IP adresses making similar edits lately which turn out to be vandalism. But I guess Pats1 wasn't logged in. AngelOfSadness talk 00:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for being a VandalZapper

I appreciate your vigilance on my baby (Balzac page). Much appreciated. — Scartol • Talk 03:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem at all. AngelOfSadness talk 13:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

		Ariel's Angel of the Day
		For fixing my talk page while I was typing up the AIV report, lol. Thanks!Ariel♥Gold

^Ariel♥Gold 17:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. AngelOfSadness talk 17:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

P.S.

Thought you might like this box instead of the one you use: User:UBX/vandalized2. I didn't like the pink one that was there, so I made this one instead. ^Ariel♥Gold 19:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't like the current one either as it kind of clashed with the colour scheme I have going. But your one is not only lovely but it matches too. :D Thank you. AngelOfSadness talk 19:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

That looks so great on your pages! I felt that some of the userboxes needed to be cleaned up and "female-ized" lol. I made a couple others, and as I go along I'm sure I'll re-do ones I don't like. If you don't like any let me know and I'll see if I can improve on them! ^Ariel♥Gold 19:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree with you. When I was picking userboxes to put on my userpage, I was looking through the list and very few of them have personality jumping out. That's when I decided to make some(three) userboxes. All of them are song quotes from some of my favourite bands/artists and I plan to make more. Anyway, I will look through the list again to see if there are ones in desperate need of makeover. Now if only there was a way to personalize the "you have new messages" banner. :D AngelOfSadness talk 19:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Lol no kidding, I'd love to make the messages box pink! I like your boxes! Here are the ones I've made: The one you have now, this one, and this one, which was a request for a new box I did. ^Ariel♥Gold 19:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I know and because of it I'm seriously considering having a wikipedia-related blog section on my userpage with everything wikipedia on it. The first entry will discuss the colour of that message box. But I'm going to research what wikipedia says about wikipedia related blogs before starting one. I like your style of userboxes, especially the last one. AngelOfSadness talk 19:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert!

Thanks for the revert of my User:Clubjuggle! That's the first time my user page was vandalized... I feel strangely proud that it's happened! --Clubjuggle 22:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. Maybe it's time to get a {{UBX/vandalized}} userbox to keep track of the vandalism count-- AngelOfSadness talk 22:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Or {{User:UBX/vandalized2}}! (Shameless promotion) ^Ariel♥Gold 22:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Or that, depending on your preferences of course :D AngelOfSadness talk 22:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL... was working on it as you posted! I was jokingly wondering if it would be considered vandalism to increment someone's vandalism userbox count for them when no vandalism happened. Technically, I'd think that would be vandalism... but then after reverting the count you'd have to increment it anyway, which makes it not vandalism, but then if there was no vandalism you don't need to increment the counts, so it is vandalism... My head hurts now. Mind if I lie down for a while? --Clubjuggle 22:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure go right ahead. A vandal a while back replaced my userpage with "21 times"(obviously he read the UB) as before his edit the UB had a vandalism count of 20. And who says vandals aren't observant. Here's the page diff and the page diff of another observant vandal. The second one has to be my favourite of all vandalism edits made to my userpage.:D-- AngelOfSadness talk 22:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandals with a sense of humor... I love it! Beats the heck out of the "55555555555" that I got! --Clubjuggle 22:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh sure, you get funny vandals who have a sense of humor! BAH! lol. ~*Giggle*~ And by the way, my head hurts now, and after reading that four times I still can't figure it out the answer, Club, ^Ariel♥Gold 22:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

There's a boot load of them without humour aswell like replacing my page with "PLUR" after I reverted their vandalism off that particular article. And then there's the insults. You get called every name known to man on the mainspace and userpage/talkpage. AngelOfSadness talk 22:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

A 'boot load'? Is that like a 'boat load' except in Canada? BTW, I just noticed that you juggle too... I knew I liked you for a reason! I tried to "email this user" but it said you're not set up for that. Ah, well! --Clubjuggle 20:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• It's probably boat load but I purposely mess up sayings to see if anyone notices. Like a few days back I said cattle of fish instead of kettle of fish and there wasn't even a reply for that. I don't have my e-mail set up so I don't get harassment/spam from angry vandals who I've gotten blocked. And yes I juggle...but it doesn't mean I'm any good at it :D AngelOfSadness talk 21:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Or like this exchange from Joey (TV series):

Joey: All right, Rach. The big question is, "does he like you?" All right? Because if he doesn't like you, this is all a moo point.

Rachel: Huh. A moo point?

Joey: Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion. It just doesn't matter. It's moo.

--Clubjuggle 21:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• • • I like that one but never saw that episode. What about when you say your giving up something "Yes I'm giving up it cold chicken".(that's one of my own creations but I'm sure someone will notice that :D) AngelOfSadness talk 14:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I too am confused about the answer and I was born confused :D AngelOfSadness talk 22:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Just my little bit of surrelealism for the day! I'm afraid to try it for fear the paradox might annihilate Wikipedia! Which reminds me... if you eat pasta and antipasta, are you still hungry? --Clubjuggle 17:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Depends if you were hungry to begin with. :D AngelOfSadness talk 17:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Glad I could return the favor, sorry it was needed! Some people's computers should have ignition interlock devices connected to the power button. --Clubjuggle 17:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

That's true. Maybe it'll read the amount of humour in the vandal or lack of humour. It gets annoying reverting "blanked the page" edits sometimes. I'm just glad there's vandals, when vandalising, imitates popular culture. Like this which is identical to what Weird Al did in his White & Nerdy video. Everything is the same except for the font colour and the article. AngelOfSadness talk 17:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

An IP's talk page

Looks like you got there before I did! :) Acalamari 23:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I've got Kelly's article on my watchlist and saw this IP's edit. Strange: they love their icon so much that they would vandalise their wikipedia article with their opinions. Sometimes I really don't get some of these "die-hard fans". :D AngelOfSadness talk

I have it watchlisted too. :) Good work with your vandal-fighting and warning. Acalamari 00:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :D AngelOfSadness talk 00:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Long time,no see

Hey,AOS. Take this as a reward for your vandal buttwhoop.

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For whoopin' vandal butt. Cheers,Xterra1 (talk)(Work)(?)

User: Randy Baer

Hey, I just noticed that you changed something on this user's page that was thought to be vandalism. Well it's sort of a weird situation. This guy is actually pretending to be someone that he isn't and using fake things he's writing on his own page as justification for vandalizing at least one other page. So the person who "vandalized" his page was actually erasing the fake information. If you check out the history of Wikipedia entries for "Wrestlecrap" and "RD Reynolds" you'll understand. Myself and a few others have been putting up with quite a few vandals that just won't stop. After looking at some of your contributions, you actually may be a big help to us with this issue. So if you could keep an eye on both of those pages, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. DX927 07:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I was only reverting edit by an IP address which I thought to be vandalism. I would never intentionly vandalize someone else's userpage. Sometimes I've made some revertions without looking at them, I just saw an IP editing a userpage and was a tad bit hasty. I have reverted it back now and deleted the clearly wrong warning I gave to the IP. Anyway I'll put the articles on my watchlist and if there's any other way I can help, let me know. AngelOfSadness talk 15:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It's cool, just wanted to explain the situation on the odd chance that the wrong person got in trouble over it. It took us forever to get that one page protected. It got two guys banned from editing and one has just registered again using essentially the same user name. Thanks again for the help DX927 19:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

If the guy who has just re-registered is a vandal, you could make a sockpuppet report on him as he created another account to evade the block given to him on his other account. AngelOfSadness talk 20:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism on your userpage

Hello. I notice that when someone reverts vandalism on your userpage or your talk page, I noticed that you thank them or give them a barnstar. I remember reverting vandalism on your userpage, but I got no response; just letting you know. NHRHS2010 ^Talk 01:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I didn't thank you sooner. Thank you for reverting vandalism off my userpage. Your revert was a great help, really. Sometimes I forget to thank people who revert vandalism on my userpage as most likely I'm warning the vandal about vandalising a different article/reporting the vandal. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I know there's probably a long list of people who I've forgetten to thank since I joined wikipedia. AngelOfSadness talk 15:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the unintended deletion

I'm new to this and apologize for accidentally removing your discussion about extradosed bridges on the cable-stayed bridge page. I just did not realize the proper way to enter a new topic (which you've now shown me how to do). No vandalism was intended, indeed I was horrified when I saw what I had done and was attempting to fix it when you got there first. Mea culpa. TransporterMan 16:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

That's grand. It was a whole load of other editors comments by the way. I wasn't involved in the actual discussion. Anyway, to make a new topic for discussion, you do the exact same thing when adding messages to usertalk pages, click the + tab at the top. This will give you a space for a heading and your message/comment. Simple once you know what to do. And welcome to wikipedia. I shall now give you the official welcome from the wikipedia community. AngelOfSadness talk 16:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm aware I don't "own" it but I need it not to be tampered with for about a week.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Almjr76 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 28 August 2007

You do know you can't stop other editors from editing the article. But you can add an {{underconstruction}} tag at the top of the article until you have finished but it doesn't mean other editors won't try to edit the article in the meantime. AngelOfSadness talk 20:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Come take a look at this

Look what I gave you...click here. NHRHS2010 ^Talk 21:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Cheers for the barnstar. Yay. Thank you so much. I saw the vandal posting that message on your talkpage. At least his comment was amusing. Very few vandals have a sense of humour. Thanks again. :D AngelOfSadness talk 21:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar as well. NHRHS2010 ^Talk 22:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Once again, thanks for reverting vandalism on my talk page. NHRHS2010 ^Talk 22:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

No problemo AngelOfSadness talk 22:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For the revert. :) Acalamari 22:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. Also thank you for blocking 87.110.85.51. He was very much starting to get on my nerves :D AngelOfSadness talk 22:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome; he's using different IPs, so keep and eye out for more. :) Acalamari 22:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I will as I saw that he said it himself on NHRHS2010's talk page AngelOfSadness talk 22:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Taken care of. :) Acalamari 22:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Great but I'm sure he'll be back in no time. AngelOfSadness talk 22:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• Well, if it's not true, he will simply be blocked again. Acalamari 22:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Cool and you'll be the first person I go to(if that's ok :D) if he starts all that again. :D AngelOfSadness talk 23:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I will be if I'm online at the time. :) If not, send him to AIV! Acalamari 23:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Grand so, I will do exactly that if he returns to his ways AngelOfSadness talk 23:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• I've blocked him again. I blocked six of his IPs yesterday, and Riana blocked one as well. Acalamari 20:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. You'd think after two days he'd get the message but no. Hopefully he'll get bored soon and quit pestering me. AngelOfSadness talk 20:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Heh, we'll see what happens; I think he said he'll be back, and it seems he is. Oh well, he'll just keep getting blocked. Acalamari 20:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

What happened to those vandals who never keep their word? Oh how I miss them!! AngelOfSadness talk 21:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

...for reverting vandalism on my talk. Its getting annoying how fast you revert. I clicked it right when you did! I'm just joking good job! SLSB talk • contrib 23:16, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I know some other people have also expressed concern over how fast I revert:D. Now this has given me an idea for a userbox. AngelOfSadness talk 23:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Conizza

The CONIZZA Article is written like an advertisement, and it was rudely linked to among the main types of culturally inherited pizzas where it does not belong on the main Pizza article. I think the whole thing should be deleted, but if not, a warning that it is written like an advertisement should be issued. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.40.129.24 (talk) 07:54, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts, and welcome to Wikipedia! I've tagged the article as you've requested, and will also now put the official welcome on your user page! --Clubjuggle 09:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

CSD

Hi - what is your reason for this edit? – Tivedshambo (talk) 16:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The page originally had no content as in it just contained external links which is grounds for a speedy deletion. So I requested it to be speedy deleted, but you managed to userfy it at the same time. So I deleted that csd as it was a userfied page. But the original page still had the links/external links so I requested that to be speedy deleted but then you redirected it so I deleted the csd from the redirect. And now I'm so confused I don't know if the last step was right or not. AngelOfSadness talk 16:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry - these things happen with edit conflicts ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tivedshambo (talk • contribs) 16:28, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing up the mess :D. I guess we were both trying to do what was best with the article/userpage. Articles can have such strange titles and I guess that's why I didn't suspect it was a userpage. AngelOfSadness talk

Much obliged...

For the user-page revert. Some vandals just don't seem to understand what "last warning" means...! Thanks! -- GJD (Talk to me|Damage I've done) 17:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. I too know a good few vandals who don't know what "this is your last warning" means either. My userpage history speaks for itself on this one :D AngelOfSadness talk 17:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

You're Welcome!

You're welcome...and btw, I think you've earned one of these :):

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		I, Persian Poet Gal, hereby award AngelOfSadness this RickK Anti-Vandalism star for her dedication to Wikipedia's anti-vandal efforts and countless AIV dispatch reports. Thank you for your help!¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 18:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the barnstar. :D AngelOfSadness talk 18:20, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi, thank you for the star! It's annoying isn't it, especially when a bot beats you, but good to know others are keeping wikipedia free from rubbish. ^_^ Phgao 17:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You clearly deserved a reward for your efforts after you reverted so much vandalism. It's good to know that wikipedia isn't running out of anti-vandals(I guess thats the word). Anyway, I know it's very annoying when bots beat you to the revert. I can always predict that once I press undo, Cluebot has already gone ahead, reverted the page AND warn the vandal by the time the page loads for me. AngelOfSadness talk 17:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes absolutely, especially with those edits that delete a lot of words, and have -1000 (is that no. of letters?), everytime I get to it, its been reverted. It's funny when I happen to revert one of those faster than the bot. Phgao 17:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The -1000 I think is number of kb(kilobytes) removed. Those bots are programmed to revert edits with a certain number of kb removed and without an edit summary to explain. I think that's what Cluebot(anti-vandalism bot) is programmed to do. Bots are designed to do the "tedious" tasks in editing. They're good in a way but they can misbehave a lot. I love it when I revert an edit that Cluebot didn't catch or warn a vandal who's edits were reverted by Cluebot, but it wasn't fast enough to keep up with me :D AngelOfSadness talk 17:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Oops, did I get to Ashton Keynes before you? Thanks for warning the ip, I don't really warn, is there a quick way to place a warning which automatically has the page the person vandalised?Phgao 18:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You got there a milisecond before me. Unfortunately there is no for the person to be automatically warned unless you're a bot (Damn bots can do everything). There are a couple of anti-vandalism tools that can help speed up reverts/warning people. I personally use Twinkle which gives faster rollback (better/faster than simply revving) and it gives you loads more tabs beside the userpage/discussion/edit this page tabs. The other tabs help with warning the vandal(like click the tab, enter the article name and pick the type of warning), csd(request for speedy deletion of articles again click the box), arv(reporting vandals to admins), request for page protection and afd(articles for deletion different from csd). Here's the article about using/getting Twinkle. There's a whole load of other anti-vandal tools here. AngelOfSadness talk 18:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I might have a look that Twinkle, but I personally can not be that bothered to warn people who write absurd things and are repeat vandals. But bots cannot detect edits that seem to be innocuous, yet are concealed crap (pardon the alliteration), so humans are always needed. Oh and it's funny reading some of the vandalism sometimes... I read that Cheese was the most vandaled page, before it was protected or something. Phgao 18:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle is so dead-easy to use, that you can revert multiple articles at once depending on how manytabs/windows your internet broswer can have open at any one time. When you're reverting vandalism for a while, you'll see the strangest edits and be surprised that someone would be bothered to write such fodder/sillyness in an article. But warning the vandals is good as the warning history is an indication to admins that the editor is not making constructive edits and should be blocked from editing. But that doesn't mean warning vandals can be good. There are some that take their anger out on your talkpage and/or userpage after you placed a test1 template warning on their talkpage. So there's downsides to warning vandals, but them attacking your userpages will certainly get them blocked. I know from experience and my userpage history can speak for itself on this one. AngelOfSadness talk 18:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure (-1000) is the number of chars/bytes changed. (not sure what happens with double width chars) It's certainly not KB though (from experience). Also, that's not quite how User:ClueBot works. He takes a lot of factors into consideration. See the bot's user page for details (source is available there). --Jeremyb 18:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I'm not very good at explaining the very technical workings of wikipedia ( the -1000 thing for instance). You'd think I'd know these things after two/three months of editing wikipedia. AngelOfSadness talk 18:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem :) --Jeremyb 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting that image addition to my user page. That is indeed who my user name is taken from, but I don't know why that IP decided to add the image to my user page. I haven't had any interaction with that particular IP. Strange. -- Gogo Dodo 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. At first I thought they were trying to do a good thing but then I looked at the image info and realised that image shouldn't have been added there as it was a copyrighted image. Maybe the IP is a dynamic IP and maybe that's why they edited your page. But other than that it is completely random. AngelOfSadness talk 18:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert again. =) I guess he didn't like the deletion I did on the article he created. -- Gogo Dodo 19:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

No problemo. Because of his edit to your userpage, he is actually on his last warning but he hasn't edited since then. AngelOfSadness talk 19:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

User talk:85.141.134.236

Just curious, why did you warn the vandal even though I made the revert? Cheers,JetLover 22:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought I had reverted it, so I proceeded to warning him. I guess we tried to revert it at the same time but you were slightly faster. AngelOfSadness talk 23:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)