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Barnstar

		The Philippine Barnstar
		Alternativity, I award you this Philippine Barnstar for your contributions on Filipino culture. --Lenticel (talk) 05:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Philippine-mythology barnstar protection amulet

		The Philippine Barnstar Protection Amulet
		For your contributions in creating, expanding, and rewriting various Philippine-mythology articles especially those that were requested by WikiProject Philippines. Thank you and please keep up the good work! -- Dragonbite 20:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Tiyanak

On 18 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tiyanak, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

we did it thanks!--Lenticel ^(talk) 08:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

WHoOOOOhooooo! :-D hehe. What do we do to let others know it? :-DAlternativity 09:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Already posted it to the WP:PINOY page--Lenticel ^(talk) 10:08, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikibirthday thanks

Thanks! :) Actually, I'm just taking grad studies in U.P. I teach at the other place across the street (but not right now, going back after I finish my thesis). :D Shrumster 07:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 5 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Siniloan River , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 19:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

congrats--Lenticel ^(talk) 23:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 29 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tigmamanukan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 12:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Congrats for the DYKd Tigmamanukan. BritandBeyonce (talk) 12:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you everyone! The truth is, having the Tigmamanukan article DYKed is a very pleasant surprise, and warms my heart more than all my other DYKs put together. Somehow that article is very close to my heart. Alternativity (talk) 08:43, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Gliricidia sepium

On 2 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gliricidia sepium, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 03:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Kaleidoscope Pattern Barnstar

		Kaleidoscope Pattern Commemorative Barnstar
		Alternativity, I award you this Kaleidoscope Pattern commemorating the passing of Francis Magalona. It is given in recognition of your tireless efforts to improve the Francis Magalona article, and protect it from vandalism, honoring the memory of "the man from Manila" who believed in freedom and respect amidst diversity, just like the wiki way. --Jojit (talk) 03:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC) Every color and every hue is represented by me and you. Take a slide in the slope. Take a look in the kaleidoscope. Spinnin’ round, make it twirl in this kaleidoscope world! -- Francis Magalona (1964 - 2009)

Jojit! Thank you! This means so much to me. Thank you. -- Alternativity (talk) 06:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Here.

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Wikipedia Philippine Chapter in Philippine Youth Congress

I am glad to announce to you that we will be debuting as an organization at the Philippine Youth Congress in Information Technology on September 14 to 17, 2010 at the University of the Philippines, Diliman. Jojit will be Wikimedia Philippines resource speaker at the second day of the conference at the UP Film Center. He will be speaking about Wikipedia and how it revolutionizes the World Wide Web. That will be at 9:00 to 10:00 am. We will also set up a booth at the UP Bahay ng Alumni and we will showcase our existing and future projects. We encourage you to participate in our first major project. We have prepared food and refreshments for you. Please let us know so that we can enlist you to our delegation.--Exec8 (talk) 18:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I know you're on a wikibreak but...

Thank you for adding the copypaste tag on the article Bakunawa. I have removed the copyrighted text and the template appropriately. Minimac (talk) 18:57, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Your rewrite of History of the Philippines (Before 1521)

Thanks for your rewrite here. It is much improved over my original ham-handed version. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:35, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Wtmitchell. I only wish I had more time to be active. :S

Philippine WikiCon

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Thanks for reviewing Philippine Native Plants Conservation Society

Hi Alternativity,

Thanks for reviewing Philippine Native Plants Conservation Society. I really just created the article because I saw the Society red linked in the article you created about Leonard Co. The article about him was quite interesting and well done. I hope I did not step on your toes by starting to create the article about the Society. Please feel free to expand the society article if you are so inclined. I have done a bit of research on the society and will be adding a few more references in the coming days. I do enjoy working in collaboration with others! ciao!!! Carriearchdale (talk) 08:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Carriearchdale! :D Thanks. :D I have to disagree about the Leonard Co being "well done" at this point because it's only about a tenth of the quality it should be. Hehe. But thank you. :D Thanks for getting to work on the society article. I've got a huge "to create" list still to get to and I'm afraid the society page isn't very high on my priority list yet. So I'm WAY glad someone's working on it. Hm. One suggestion, btw: are you active on Tagalog Wikipedia? Because there's a lot of work that needs doing there, making articles for native Philippine species. Anyway. Thank you for your work. Knowledge is an important weapon in the movement to protect Philippine biodiversity. And every helping hand is a step forward. :D Happy editing! -- Alternativity (talk) 11:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

		The Philippine Barnstar of National Merit
		This barnstar belongs to you for all those 10+ years of hard work in improving the quality and credibility of Philippine history-related articles. Keep up the great work!--RioHondo (talk) 13:20, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
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New Discussions as of August 2017

Just FYI all. Talkpage Material before July 2017 has been archived.- Alternativity (talk) 07:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Ismael Abubakar

Since you seem to be the most active person on the Philippines noticeboard, would you possibly be able to find any sourcing on this individual? I cleaned it up from being an obit, but most of the sourcing that is needed comes from the early 90s, which means I suspect it isn't available easily online for someone in North America. The original article creator linked to his official bio, which makes the claim he was the first speaker of the regional assembly. I can't verify that through other sources. It also claims he died, so any public obituary would likely be a good source. If you could be of any assistance, it would be much appreciated. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:54, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi TonyBallioni. Well, the existing sources are from the Philippine Star, which is about as reputable a newspaper source as they come, here in the Philippines. I'm also familiar enough with the PCID to trust the facts presented on their website as generally true. I'll look for other sources. What's the level of urgency for this article? If it's not too urgent (no afds, tags notability or POV issues, or anything along those lines?), I'd like to contribute to that page slowly and carefully. This person's profile seems rather straightforward, but the politics of the ARMM can be a bit complex so I want to be able to double check everything. If you want to do more searching yourself, I'd suggest doing a keyword search career-point by career point (variant combination of search phrases using offices, years, and his name). SPEAKING of which, this urgently needs to be moved from Ismael Abubakar to Ismael Abubakar, Jr., as there seem to be other individuals using the name/alias "Ismael Abubakar." I'll help more when I can, if that's okay? Do feel free to keep me updated if you like. - Alternativity (talk) 17:11, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. No real urgency, there is a new user who is currently trying to make it an obit based on the PCID source, which is not ideal. I'll revert and add some basic biographical facts from there. My main issue with the PCID source is that it is clearly promotional. I posted on BLPN about the name thing, but since you think it should be moved, I'll go ahead and do it now. BLPN is moving slower than usual. Really the most urgent thing at this point is confirmation of death. We shouldn't list him as dead unless we have a source saying so. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Greater India and Ancient Philippines

Hi @Alternativity:..ǃ Since I learn that you has vast knowledge on Philippines matters, I really need your advice in Revisiting and questioning the degree of Indianisation in the Philippines. This is because other than Pre-Hispanic Philippines-related articles, several Hindu-Buddhist-related articles such as Greater India was affected by the edits of our notorious sockmaster JournalmanManila, that many of his edits are skewed POV pushing fiercely promoting the thesis of "Strong Hindu-Buddhist Culture of Ancient Philippines" in some of those articles. I need to address this issue fairly to put things in perspective. Really appreciate your opinion, thank you. Cheers..ǃ  Gunkarta  talk  16:16, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Posted a long comment there. :D Hope it helps. On a peripherally related note, please note that I've re-nominated Kingdom of Tondo to be renamed, since the previously suggested name was deemed to vague. Perhaps you'd like to look at that re-proposal? :D Thanks. - Alternativity (talk) 04:15, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Singkil, Ramayana and lack of references on statements connecting them

Hello Alternativity!

I've visited the Wikipedia page about Singkil and apparently the page tried to link Ramayana to the Maranao epic Darangen. Since you're the expert on pre-colonial matters, I might need your suggestions regarding possible source materials about the connection between that specific Hindu epic to the Maranao folk epic. The only material I have right now is the "Darangen: The Epic of the Maranaws" written by Mamitua Saber which compared Darangen to both Ramayana and the Greek epics.

Thanks in advance for the help! Stricnina (talk) 22:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I've been traveling lately so I just got this. I'm heading into a season of busy-ness but I'll do what I can to help. :-) - Alternativity (talk) 00:49, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Initial response: Hi Stricnina, a quick check of the sources used on the page seems to indicate that the writer has conflated the Darangen with a different M'ranao epic, the Maharadia Lawana, which actually is the M'ranao version of the Ramayana. For reference, look at this search within the google text of Artemio Guillermo's Historical Dictionary of the Philippines. I'll start cleanup by creating a stub article the Maharadia Lawana. But like I said earlier, I'm pretty busy. Let's just edit at the same time. :D - Alternativity (talk) 01:02, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

SPI

I just opened an SPI here. (N0n3up (talk) 04:29, 20 December 2017 (UTC))

Apparently my SPI has been deemed by an admin as stale and wants more evidence/support for my argument saying that diffs are not enough. Can you help me out with this if possible? I think tbh we need to find a permanent solution to this, constantly making an SPI is becoming time-consuming with this troll. (N0n3up (talk) 05:22, 21 December 2017 (UTC))

Hi User:N0n3up. Two immediate thoughts in response to your query.

• 1. I think the quickest solution is to come up with a table of comparisons for each of the suspected sockpuppets, based on the criteria set forth in the Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Guide_to_filing_cases guidelines. ( This will make the similarities between each sockpuppet immediately evident to the admin concerned. The main problem is that admins won't have the time to study each case in details, which is why this admin told you '"and the list goes on" won't work."' The problem is where to host such a table. If you're willing to host it on your talk page, that might be viable (we can copy the appropriate rows and columns to investigation pages when we need them.) If you figure out where, tell me and I will try to help you populate/fill up the table. (Unfortunately as the victim of many many threats and violent verbal attacks in the past, I now have a policy of not hosting such material on my own userspace - maybe you are less sensitive to these?)

• 1b. The evidences I see are
  • A) that Skyrim seems to be pushing a specific POV favoring extensive "Indianization" or "Sinification" of all the Philippines, associating philippine polities with the large empires that s/he seems to think are more important parts of history than smaller independent polities;
  • B) Grammar cues give him away, since s/he talks the same way;
  • C) S/He seems to relish value-laden arguments and grandiose descriptions (aka peacockery, but s/he doesn't seem to understand what peackockery is);
  • D) S/He has a history of misusing sources - either oversimplifying them or misquoting them, but generally jumping to conclusions that favor his/her "truth" (interpretation of the facts);
  • E) S/He rejects nuanced interpretation of facts in preference for "Simple" expressions of (his/her) truth;
  • F) S/He launches persobak attacks editors who disagree with him/her.

You may wish to add to this list, I'm sure you've noticed a few more. But what we need are links to instances where each of the sockpuppets are guilty of them, which is the evidence the admins need. That's what we need to put in table form.

• 2. Skyrim is confusing the issue by arguing against the labeling of the Philippine section as "vandalism" (which is what JournalManManila always does, as you know.) Personally, this confuses me too, since as you know I agree with his assertion that Francisco is a Reliable Source, and that the section should be there based on scholarly sources. (Ms Sarah Welch has even cited supporting tertiary sources.) To me, this is not a big issue, because I believe the consensus process will eventually resolve the matter. (I'm a wikipedia eventualist in that sense.) I think we should point out in the investigation page that the claim of vandalism isn't the issue at hand, but rather the act of sockpuppetry. I think I can make that point in the investigation page, but it would be better if we are also ready to present evidence (see point #1) first.

I'll give this more thought, but those are my immediate inputs. - Alternativity (talk) 11:20, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, anyone want to volunteer edits on [1]? How do you make the "Standard Format" show up immediately?

Katipunan ng Kabataan

Hoax?-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:48, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi User:Dlohcierekim. Yes. As I indicated on the talk page, the article has been tagged as a potential hoax in that it presents the Katipunan ng Kabataan as separate from the Sanguniang Kabataan and SK Chairperson, as already covered by the Sangguniang Kabataan (SK) article. As explained in the SK article, the Katipunan ng Kabataan seems to have been consistently defined as "all the youth (people of a certain age, the exact age has changed a few times) in the barangay", which elects the SK and SK Chairperson. Which means it's basically the constituency of the SK. This article makes it sound like the Katipunan ng Kabataan is a separate entity. The information in the rest of the content of the article seems to refer to the long-defunct Kabataang Barangay. The overall effect is to give the impression that the Kabataang Barangay continued to exist and became a parallel organization to the Sanguniang Kabataan. Which of course, it did not. All the sources clearly state that the Kabataang Barangay was disbanded and replaced by the SK. Unless of course, there's an ultra secret shadow counterpart of the SK that I've never heard about.- Alternativity (talk) 06:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. It's gone now. I don't read that language and must go slow in deletion. If they're secret, they are not notable anyway. If they are defunct, then they were, so not really a hoax. Maybe a redirect to SK? But it's gone now and probably not notable and as a deletionist, I mourn its passage and then move on.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 11:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorta. It was just weird. Like being told that a pop star that died in the eighties had been doing weekly concerts in some obscure bar. :D Anyway. Either way, thank you very much! :D - Alternativity (talk) 14:58, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Roberto Benedicto

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Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971

Hello, I've left some comments on your DYK nomination of Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971. Please respond to them as soon as possible. Salamat. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 07:08, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks, I shall look into Template:Did you know nominations/Jose Yao Campos and Template:Did you know nominations/Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971 as soon as I can. I'll leave comments on the nomination pages. - Alternativity (talk) 02:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jose Yao Campos

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DYK for Roberto Benedicto

On 11 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Roberto Benedicto, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Roberto Benedicto was so close to his fraternity brother, Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos, that he had full access to the presidential quarters in Malacañang Palace? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Roberto Benedicto. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Roberto Benedicto), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Barnstar!

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		awarded to User:Alternativity for their rescue of the Ilocos Norte Tobacco Excise Tax funds controversy. I wasn't able to attend the relisting of the Afd but I hope this works too :) Lenticel (talk) 01:07, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Yay thanks User:Lenticel! :D I get such a hoot out of these and I haven't gotten one in ever such a looong time. - Alternativity (talk) 14:33, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Jose Yao Campos

On 14 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jose Yao Campos, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that businessman Jose Yao Campos admitted in 1986 to having organized 40 different shell companies through which Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos could hide his wealth? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jose Yao Campos. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jose Yao Campos), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Template:Did you know nominations/Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971

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Thank you for your hard work on Comedy in the Philippines

		The Original Barnstar
		Thank you so much for your hard work on the Comedy in the Philippines page, it is so appreciated! You have completely transformed it from the initial edits I did it some weeks back. Thank you! Citrivescence (talk) 01:43, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh, what a pleasant surprise. Hehe thanks Citrivescence, I do love barnstars. :D I remain concerned about that last section with problems, though. I actually feel that the article needs to have about two or three times more content, with headings for subject themes (Satire would be a sub-section, Colonial experience - reference Dolphy's "translation" gag - would be another, gender issues yet another) and unique cultural practices (physical comedy, translation comedy, etc). Lotsa work still left to do, and I don't have many sources. :S Do you have access to any good Filipino comedy books? :D - Alternativity (talk) 02:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't. I do have access to Jstor which is how I found the academic article I cited, but I don't have access to a library with Filipino comedy books. Sorry, wish I could be more helpful. Thank you, again! :) --Citrivescence (talk) 02:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

I've tried to add new sections,to help seed expansion. :D Feel free to expand them, if you like. :D - Alternativity (talk) 07:25, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971

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DYK for Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971

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DYK nomination of Economic history of the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos

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I added proof of the Buddhist advent in your Ma-i article

You should check out the religion section of your article in Ma-i since I edited the context because Henry Otley Beyer found a Buddhist Icon in Palawan, just Southwest of Mindoro (Ma-i). Unfortunately the icon was destroyed in World War 2, however, pictures of it survive. I think people who dismiss the Buddhism came to Mindoro ignore the fact that this Buddhist icon was excavated in an island near Mindoro in relatively modern times.

Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. (talk) 21:52, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the heads up. I want to raise several points.

• First, unfortunately, we aren't allowed to draw conclusions on Wikipedia, based on the rules you can read at WP:SYNTH. If you can find a scholarly text that makes an explicit connection between the Palawan Boddhistava and the archeology of Mindoro based on proximity, then we are allowed to quote the scholar. We are not allowed to draw our own conclusion/s. BUT if you do find a source that makes that connection, feel free to cite it. I've examined the Churchill article several and can't see any statement where it says Palawan was so near Mindoro that there must have been buddhist iconography in both places.
• Second, just because Mindoro and Palawan are near each other doesn't automatically mean they were politically or even culturally contiguous at the time. If you can find a reference that explicitly says so, then, again, by Wikipedia rules, you can quote your source.
• Third, the most recent research has cast doubt on the idea that Mai must be in Mindoro simply because there is a place there called Mait. As raised elsewhere on the wiki, Bai in Laguna has an equally strong claim. And Bai is far from Palawan.
• Fourth, I don't disagree that Buddhism was practiced in the archipelago long before the arrival of the Spanish. My concern is that we don't forget that aside from Buddhist or even Hindu iconography which may have been on the islands, there was also a significant present of indigenous iconography, which persisted well into the sixteenth century. Or even if it WAS Buddhist iconography, it would be important to note whether it came directly from India (not supported by evidence as far as I can see in the literature, even Churchill's article which recognizes the likely intermediation of Majapahit), or inderectly through Majapahit. which is a fellow Austronesian culture. This concern for not downplaying the vitality of the indigenous Austronesian culture is the reason I'm such a stickler for not drawing conclusions other than stated in the scholarly literature.

I don't feel that the inclusion of the new paragraph is merited by Wikipedia's rules, or defensible on scholarly grounds. But maybe I'm wrong. I will study the Churchill article more closely and see if there's anything I missed before I go back and do any further edits on the article. Thanks! - Alternativity (talk) 08:03, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh thanks for critique. I don't think my source is just exclusive to Palawan though, the Churchill text also mention Buddhist icons in Batangas which is nearer Laguna de Bai.

Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. (talk) 12:41, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Economic history of the Philippines (1965–86)

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Five pop culture article references from major Philippine publications, and one from a Philippine music industry website added, having been found on the quickest of searches. A great deal more has been written about the band, even if one does not include articles focusing on the vocalist. The problem is that the article is poorly written and badly needs wikifying, not that it doesn't have souces - Alternativity (talk) 18:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

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Hi User:Ibrahim Muizzuddin! I have not managed to be an expert on the supposed Butuan Ivory Seal, and thus can't say anything defintive. But that sockpuppet has a tendency to take one artifact as evidence of an entire culture, if it serves his agenda of projecting early Philippine polities as "Asian" (not Austronesian) and "Royal" (in the eurocentric fairy-tale sense). I'm not sure what to suggest, but yes you are correct to be watchful of his claims. - Alternativity (talk) 17:58, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

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Article: Josefa Edralin Marcos

Hi! I see you did the article about Doña Josefa Edralin-Marcos long ago. I want to do a separate article for her just like President Rodrigo's mother who's also a school teacher. EBPCarpio (talk) 06:21, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

It's what I have published but was reverted by a user from NY, USA.

In this Philippine name for married women, the birth middle name or maternal family name is Quetulio, the birth surname or paternal family name is Edralin, and the marital name is Marcos.

Doña Josefa Edralin Marcos
Personal details
Born	Josefa Quetulio Edralin (1893-02-15)February 15, 1893 Sarrat, Ilocos Norte, Philippines
Died	May 4, 1988(1988-05-04) (aged 95) Veterans Memorial Medical Center, Quezon City, Philippines
Spouse	Mariano R. Marcos ​ (m. 1916)​
Domestic partner	Ferdinand Chua
Children	4 (Ferdinand, Pacifico, Elizabeth Keon, and Fortuna Barba)
Occupation	Teacher

Josefa Edralin-Marcos (born Josefa Quetulio Edralin; was a Filipina teacher. She was the mother of Philippine president Ferdinand Marcos who was President of the Philippines from 1965 to 1986, and the grandmother of current Philippine president Bongbong Marcos.

Early life

Marcos was born as Josefa Edralin y Quetulio to a landed family on February 15, 1893 in Sarrat, Ilocos Norte to Don Fructuoso Edralin y Carpio (1843-1933), former vice-gobernadorcillo and Doña Emerenciana Quetulio y Taganas (1867-1958).

Personal life

Doña Josefa was married to Mariano Marcos, a lawyer, educator, and politician from Batac, Ilocos Norte, Philippines and one of her co-graduates at the Philippine Normal School. They had four children:

• Ferdinand Marcos (1917–1989), who became president of the Philippines (1965–1986)
• Pacifico Marcos (1919–unknown), a physician
• Elizabeth Marcos-Keon (1921–1986), former Ilocos Norte governor (1971–1983) and mother of Michael Marcos Keon
• Fortuna Marcos-Barba (1931–2018)

Death

She died at the Veterans Memorial Medical Center on May 4, 1988, at the age of 95.

References

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