User talk:Alpta/Archive 1

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Thank you. Alpta 02:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

User:AlptaBot

It would be good if your bot replaced {{fn|X}} by {{ref_label|lbl_X|X|X}} and {{fnb|X}} by {{note_label|lbl_X|X|X}}. Otherwise the backlinks have no identifier ("X") and thus are not easily linked back to the text position when the page is printed. See here for the problem, and here for the solution. Thanks. Lupo 15:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The same problem was caused in Jonathan Carver. The affected note now has no numeral in the Notes section.--Appraiser 18:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you want to replace {{fn}} to {{ref label}} and replace {{fnb}} to {{note label}}? I will stop the bot until you reply. Alpta 18:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I have blocked the bot based on a WP:ANI report. If the above is the same problem, and you are voluntarily stopping the bot until it is settled, then I will gladly unblock the bot so that you can restart it once this is dealt with. - TexasAndroid 18:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Alpta, *I* don't care whether we use {{fn}} or not. But if it's replaced, then do it right. I've shown you above how to do it. Lupo 19:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Changing user:AlptaBot/Run to False will turn it off instead of blocking it. Lupo, I am trying to understand what you want done now. On the request for a bot page Wikipedian said {{fn}} should be replaced to {{ref}} and {{fnb}} to {{note}}. Now do you want {{fn}} to {{ref label}} and replace {{fnb}} to {{note label}}? I just need to know what to do so I can add it. Alpta 20:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I have unblocked the bot and turned it off instead for now. I ask that you please deal with the issue raised in the WP:ANI thread before you restart the bot. It may very well be the same issue you are already discussing above, or it may turn out to be a different issue. But it needs to be determined which is the case, and if it *is* a different issue, then it needs to also be dealt with. - TexasAndroid 21:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I too have had problems with this bot ([1], [2], [3] and [4], all of which I have reverted). There are two problems. First, as noted above, the replacement for {{fnb}} doesn't label the back-reference making it hard to distinguish the references; but more seriously, when an article uses a mixture of <ref/> and {{fn}} style footnotes (in these cases, to separate clarificatory footnotes from citations), the numberings get all confused. See for example, this version of List of Marilyns in Wales from immediately after a AlptaBot edit. There should be four footnotes (some multiply referenced) and three citations. I see links up to [8] which is clearly nonsensical. Plus, there is no visual distinction between <ref/> and {{ref}}, both of which are rendered as [n]; prior to the replacement by the bot, the {{fn}} notes (which became {{ref}}) were rendered as n (i.e. without brackets) and distinguishable from citations. I also have issues with replacing one deprecated template ({{fn}}) with another deprecated template ({{ref}}). — ras52 21:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I will have to pass this robot task onto another operator. I thought that this was a simple "find and replace" robot task. The templates might have to be updated manually too. Alpta 04:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Look, I don't know what bot you've been running, but if my explanation at the top of this section doesn't make sense to you, you should maybe not be running a bot at all. In Javascript, the following statement would do the trick, I think (untested, though):

text = text
         .replace (/\{\{fn\|([^{}]+)\}\}/, '{{ref_label|lbl_from_fn_$1|$1|$1}}')
         .replace (/\{\{fnb\|([^{}]+)\}\}/, '{{note_label|lbl_from_fn_$1|$1|$1}}');

where text would be the whole text for the article. It is a rather simple search-and-replace job. But as I said above, I don't care for {{fn}} to be replaced at all; I don't understand at all why we should deprecate a perfectly fine and useful referencing/footnoting template. Note that many people use {{fn}} to get a second sequence of references, used for footnotes. That second sequence also often uses alphabetic label, not numeric ones, to properly distinguish it from source references. A footnote is an explanatory text, providing some more background on some detail in the article that would be slightly too off-topic to include in the main text. It is not the same as a reference giving a source. It is thus important not to break the labelling when and if one wants to replace {{fn}}. Lupo 06:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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Re: image regex

Images are fairly complicated to deal with in Wikipedia (wikitext is not the simplest to parse). Since HTML images are not allowed (no external images), they have their own syntax.

Regarding regexen: it depends on what you want to do with images: to check if a certain image exists in an article, to remove a certain image, comment it out, replace a certain image, etc. In general, images are of the form

• [[Image:{name}|{type}|{location}|{size}|{caption}]]

The name is required; everything else is not. If you're not familiar with image syntax, do check out Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. Suppose you're looking for the entire wikitext of an image the represents "Image.png". At first a simple regex like \[\[Image:Image.png\]\] might appear to do it, but other parameters (like the image location, size, and caption) could also be included. In addition, "Image" can be either upper- or lower-case.

The next guess might be \[\[[Ii]mage:Image.png[^]]*\]\]: get the opening brackets, image name, everything until a ], and then the closing ]]. The problem with this is that captions can contain links, e.g. Caption for [[image]] containing link. Using this regex on [[Image:Example.png|thumb|This is an [[example]] image]] will only capture [[Image:Example.png|thumb|This is an [[example]], which is not desirable. In addition, captions may contain external links, which can interact inconsistently with internal wikilinks. You can check out this thread on the bot owners' noticeboard for one method, and AWB's source code, line 1088 for another. Note that I had suggested a regular expression at the noticeboard, and it mostly works for images, but the links-in-captions problem can manifest itself in more unusual cases. I'm trying to work on a more advanced regex (yes, more advanced than that... *shudder*).

Overall, Carnildo's method (on WP:BOWN) seems to be the most reliable; it doesn't seem like one regex can do it, although you could find where an image might be located using a regex, and then look at the wikitext there in more detail. Hope this helps. It helped me find an image-parsing bug in MediaWiki, which I should report soon :) Gracenotes^T § 18:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:Fair use rationale for Image:I'm_RickJames_Bitch!.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to Image:I'm_RickJames_Bitch!.jpg. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use. Suggestions on how to do so can be found here.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Alpta 20:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm Rick James? El_C 06:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but you uploaded the image. Alpta 18:19, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

That was awkward. El_C 08:44, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Image in article JFire

May I ask why you removed the JFire logo? Being protected as a trademark should not cause it to be removed since that applies to every product logo - including for example the Mercedes-Benz logo. The trademark owners of the JFire logo have explicitely allowed its usage on wikipedia (and everywhere else, provided that its usage refers to the JFire project and isn't insulting). Best regards, Nlmarco 19:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I have tagged the mercedes benz logo too. I removed it because there was no rationale for use in the article per WP:NFCC#10c. Alpta 01:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I have readded the JFire logo (and removed the tags on Image:Jfire-logo-250x84.jpg) since there is a general permission to use the logo stated here on the JFire website. I added a link to this permission to Image:Jfire-logo-250x84.jpg, too. Best regards, Nlmarco 16:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:Commons

OK. --Agüeybaná 21:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

re: ultrastar deluxe

im not sure what happened but some trigger happy person just wasted my time by deleting my stuff and i can't go back to my previous versions. i used an image of my own, from a screenshot of program which i wrote and also put on on sourceforge as a screenshot there too. unfortunately someone has done something silly. thank you if you can explain to me what hapepned sorry -ggkfc —Preceding unsigned comment added by GgKfc (talk • contribs) 03:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Your bot

Someone has complained about the lack of action taken to revert mistakes made by your bot at WP:AN/I#500 articles messed up by AlptaBot (and no cleanup effort). Your input would be appreciated (I am a little confused by it myself). x42bn6 Talk Mess 09:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You need to address these concerns and fix the bot or it will get shutdown.Rlevse 11:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Font

It already is in Trebuchet MS amigo. --Тhε Rαnδom Eδιτor 19:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

You or your bot...

I'm not sure if it is you, or the bot you operate (not sure which account is which) but one of you keeps telling me that this image has no fair use rationale, when, if you read the page, you'll see it does and always has. So please, stop posting messages to my page about it. If it is just your bot, please do what you can to prevent this. Thanks, aido2002^talk 22:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

you forgot me ?

Why didn't you inform me about this ? It is fine with me since Fahrenheit told me two days later but now it seems to escalate and one of the reasons is that Fahrenheit and not you informed me about it(2 days later). Really Spooky even wants to get out and one of his reasons is that not you but Fahrenheit informed me about it. I was the one who disputed the sentence and participated in extended discussions before to delete it and would consider me to be the most involved party.[5] Is there a reason that I was left out ? -- Stan _talk 01:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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