User talk:Alphathon/Archive3

Why was this reverted?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

1. Pokémon Crystal (3.85 million approximately: 2.1 million in Japan,[48] 1.65 million in US,[19] 1 million in UK)[20]

Don't you see that the 3.85 million figure is missing the UK sales number? 178.40.150.242 (talk) 18:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

God of War

Yes, I know it isn't hardware. It is simply an example to help the other poster understand the type of page that is suitable. The correction as it stands is fine. Also, don't use capitals as it is considered shouting. Many thanks. 125.63.185.218 (talk) 08:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Proper picture formating

Hey, I've been getting into Wikipedia as a contributer just recently and been trying to add high-quality product pictures of things. At first I was doing things as a white background, and then noticed they were changed to transparent pngs. Is this the preferred way to do this? I just did a PS2 slim one this way, after seeing the other ones changed. What programs or techniques are you using to convert them transparent? Any tips? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan-amos (talk • contribs) 16:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

PS2 Picture

the first is here:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:PS2-slim-console.jpg

i did it as a jpg first, then did the thing with the transparency in adobe imageready. i'm not sure if there's an easier way for getting rid of the white from the image other than selecting color range or just erasing it all by hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan-amos (talk • contribs) 16:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I use CS2, but I really never learned/used masks and channels. Helps to know that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan-amos (talk • contribs) 15:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Playstation Eye frame capturing

The pseye can capture "up to" 60 frames per second(640x480 resolution) at a rate of 60hz for a standard ntsc video transimission: this implies that the captured frame rate may be lower, at user (when connecting a pseye on a standard pc) or developer discrection, for ex. you can capture a video at 30 fps, or at 15 both at 60hz. In this case the cam simply captures the half or a quarter of his full capacity. Imho fps=hz is misleading in any case, are two diffferent parameters that could sometimes be the sames but not always. See here where they are correctly reported: http://us.playstation.com/corporate/about/press-release/396.html and here: http://threespeech.com/blog/2007/04/playstation-eye-qa/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.58.194.86 (talk) 13:32, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

60fps is always 60Hz by definition. Likewise 30fps is never captured at 60Hz; it is always 30Hz. You seem to be confusing capture frequency with display frequency. A 30Hz signal can be displayed at 60Hz by doubling the number of frames to 60 (each frame is displayed twice), but it ceases to be 30Hz (it is now 60Hz). This has nothing to do with the capture frequency, which is still 30Hz. Hertz (Hz) is a unit of frequency (i.e. how often something happens in a given time) and is defined as "the number of cycles per second of a periodic phenomenon". In this case, a cycle is a frame and said periodic phenomenon is frame capture. In fact, just look at the frame rate article, quote: "Frame rate is most often expressed in frames per second (FPS), (fps) and in progressive scan monitors as hertz (Hz)".

fps=Hz is not misleading and only confusing if you don't know what Hz is (essentially something per second). What is really misleading is saying that you can capture video at 60 frames per second at 60 cycles per second, as it implies that they are different things, which they are not. Exchanging Hz for fps would be semi-acceptable (although uncalled for as fps isn't a standard unit; Hz is), but what you changed to is not even close to acceptable as it is redundant and confusing (if someone who knows what neither Hz or fps is then they would assume they are independent things).

Alphathon™ (talk) 14:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

PS3 and such

After I finished taking pictures yesterday (which I'm in the process of cleaning up) I put up my whole setup, so a side-by-side of PS3s might not happen anytime soon. Also, the fat PS3 is an incredible pain to photograph since it is basically a giant mirror and getting the picture I ended up using took me quite a long time. I do think that the picture at the top of the PS3 page needs to be replaced, though, as it looks like a mess. Is there a reason that there are two different models in the header? Plenty of other consoles have had revisions but the header will usually go with the first version made, like the pages for the PS2, Playstation, PSP, Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, etc. It seems out of place to use this way on the PS3 page, then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan-amos (talk • contribs) 14:16, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

emailing

I'm going to be doing some things in wikipedia, hopefully more in the future as I get access to more systems/items. Since talk pages are weird, you can email my gmail account, at evan dot amos. seems easier that way.

Evan-amos (talk) 15:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Controller nicknames

I found a source for the "Fatty" nickname here [1]--SexyKick 05:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Well add it then, you don't need my permission. I was more-or-less using the "who" tag as a "citation needed", since they need citation (but it certainly weasel worded). I know for a fact that people called it the "Duke", and "Fatty" stands to reason… it's "Alarm Clock" I was mainly concened about, I mean who on earth would call it that? Alphathon™ (talk) 07:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

LOL good question. But yeah, I was having some trouble adding the source, so I think you should give it a try. :o SexyKick 08:10, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Just checked and it's because it's from eHow, which is blacklisted. Looks like we'll need another one. Alphathon™ (talk) 08:18, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I guess we should just save time and take alarm clock and who out of there?--SexyKick 09:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

If you want to. I don't think anyone would object to it being removed (and if they do, they can put it back if they provide a source). Still, without a source it still technically counts as weasel words. Alphathon™ (talk) 09:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC){{outdent|

Hm, [2] would this work?--SexyKick 23:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. I don't think that would qualify as a "reliable source" (the whole "blog" thing). Also, especially considering the date of the post, I have a suspicion that those names came originally from the Wikipedia article, rather than being confirmation of their usage. The closest I've found to a usable source is from Ben Heck's Modding site, where he mods a 360 controller into a "Duke" (http://benheck.com/09-18-2007/xbox-360-duke-controller) but it also suffers from being a blog. Alphathon™ (talk) 00:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I think a blog would qualify as a source in these cases since "the controller is known by many nicknames" implies nicknames is not an official name, so why would an official source be calling it that? IGN calls it the Xbox Fat in the worst 10 controllers article, so the Xbox Fat controller is also a nickname in addition to the other two. Either way, I see tons of things calling it the fatty, and duke, but none apart from that blog source calling it the alarm clock.--SexyKick 02:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

It's unfortunate I know, but there is a reason why blogs are not permitted as sources (with some exceptions). Assuming it is a personal blog, there is nothing to say that it is representative. If you take a person on a blog calling it the duke as a source, we might as well just not have a source because some other random person added it to Wikipedia (someone said it therefore it must be true). It's also why we don't allow VG Chartz numbers incidentally. The exceptions are when the blog is something like Joystiq or Kotaku (technically blogs, but really news sites) or if it's say... Major Nelson's blog (someone in the industry who is only likely to use common terms). Alphathon™ (talk) 12:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Wavebird Controller won an Award

http://www.gamecriticsawards.com/2002winners.html

Apparently, it won the award for best gaming peripheral in 2002 from a very prestigious group. I wanted to put it into the article, but I don't know where I would put it. Into its own section, after development, after design?... I thought it would be good to throw this toward you so you could help figure it out. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 20:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Nintendo GameCube Controller edits reverted?

Hi Alphathon, I noticed you reverted most of my edits on the 'Nintendo GameCube Controller' page for the new 'Colors' section I added, and I just wondered if you could explain the reasons why? I feel that a list is much more appropriate to show all the available colors, and makes for a much easier read.

I was basing the layout on the 'Xbox 360 Controller' page which also features a 'Colors and Special Editions' section which is in the form of a list, and I have previously added new Xbox 360 controller colors and noticed you have also done the same - so I cant understand why a similar list on the Nintendo GameCube Controller page was completely removed? I will admit that my list wasn't perfect, but I had planned to improve it over the next few days by expanding the information and adding references/links/tidying up.

I see you have added some of the missing controller colors to the paragraphs, however many of the names are wrong and it is now not clear where each controller was available from. Here are some of the problems with the current revision:

• There is now no mention that many of the limited edition colors were only available from Club Nintendo.
• The "Emerald Blue" controller was not a limited edition, it was a standard controller color in Japan as can be seen here at http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/color/index.html However the way the paragraph is worded suggests it was a limited edition. It also cant be placed directly into the standard colors paragraph due to the phrase "matching the common available colors of GameCube consoles" which it doesnt.
• "Mario Red and Blue" was not the colors proper name, it was called "Mario Controller" by Nintendo as stated on the packaging, and by placing the name in quotations it suggests that it was the 'official' name which is not the case. Likewise ""Gundam Copper" was called "Char's Customized Color" etc.
• Removing the alternate colors/names denoted in brackets suggests that the English Wikipedia site is completely US centric, which should not be the case. Whilst the purple GameCube controller was called "Indigo" In the US, thats certainly not the case in all parts of the world - in Europe it was simply called "Purple". Having all the colors arranged in a paragraph does not allow room to expand on this.

I hope you wont take my criticisms personally, we have obviously both put work into this page and we both have the best of intentions. I just think a list would be much more appropriate in this instance, paragraphs dont allow room to expand details on specific colors or give any additional controller/color specific information (Such as release dates, regional availability, etc) I also feel that a list would make for a much easier read as can be seen on the Xbox 360 Controller page.

Thanks for reading Link83 (talk) 22:40, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your response on my talk page Alphathon.

I have taken your suggestions on board and re-written much of the "Versions" section on the Nintendo GameCube controller page, keeping it as paragraphs as suggested. I have also added a new controller color (Transparent) and added more references, I hope you will agree that the changes make the paragraphs clearer/easier to read.

A few of the references I have added are not that great, namely the Wario, Club Nintendo and European Mario controller references - they are basically just links to pictures of the controllers in question, but despite many Google searches I could not find any articles for these controller colors. The only 'articles' I could find were from import shops selling these controllers, which obviously are not suitable references for Wikipedia. I am hopeful that if better references can be found someone will put new links in at a later date, for now the pictures seem to be the only proof of their existence.

The only change which I think you you may/may not agree with is the addition of sections for "Colors" and "Re-release", however I feel its important to separate these paragraghs, although please let me know if you have any thoughts on the matter.

I did not realise I could create my own user page as a sandbox, so thats very useful to know - thanks :) I also have no idea why my talk page had a number '2' at the top, from looking at the page history it looks like its always been there! I have gone and deleted it now though.

Link83 (talk) 14:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, although I can say with 99% certainty that the Luigi controller was not released on the European Stars Catalogue as I used to check it everyday to get my '5 stars daily allowance' that Nintendo used to offer for logging in. I also used to check the German Stars Catalogue (It used to have more items due to Nintendo Europe being based in Germany) and a Luigi controller was never added to their Stars Catalogue either. I also emailed Nintendo Europe in 2005 asking about the Luigi controller who told me they had "no plans to add a Luigi controller to the Stars Catalogue", and I have also never seen one appear on ebay in the last 5 years. Do you have any links with a picture/reference showing that a European Luigi controller actually exists? The only place I have heard it mentioned is here:- http://samurainintendo.com/system/models.html#game but that has no picture of the packaging to proove its existence, and I am almost sure they are simply making an assumption based on the fact the Mario controller was released in Europe. They also make no mention of the Wario controller so I wouldnt consider them a completely reliable source.

I just noticed you removed the "Controller" part from the Mario, Luigi and Wario controllers, may I ask why? I was just listing their 'official' names from Nintendo, as shown on the packaging for both the Japanese and European versions.

Link83 (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

"Yes, and presumably the official name for the purple one is "Indigo controller"/"Purple controller" (depending on the region). The design would not be called "Mario Controller", which is how it is worded. Since it is in the controller article it can kinda be taken as a given that the packaging would say controller, that's all. Basically it wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to list it or sell it as simply "Mario" (unless it is in a list of controller designs), but in the context of controller colours/designs, it makes no sense not to"

Actually no, Nintendo didn't name any controllers like that. Most designs were all labelled "Nintendo GameCube Controller" but with a small separate part of the box stating the color, hence the article only stating the colors/design for all other the other models. The packaging for the Mario/Luigi/Wario controllers make it very clear that the full name is "Mario Controller" etc in bold capital letters. Please see these pictures for reference:- http://knifetotheeye.com/main.php?g2_itemId=8459 http://www.nakoko.com/mario-controller-limited-edition_17099_48431 This was also the name stated on the Club Nintendo website, otherwise Nintendo could have used the same naming convention they used for all their other controller designs (eg. Just printing "Mario" somewhere on the controllers box) If you feel otherwise though I wont argue.

Link83 (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

"To put it another way, would you change the first bit to Standard colors included "Indigo Controller" (Purple), "Jet Black Controller", "Spice Controller" (Orange) and "Platinum Controller" (Silver)?"

No, because that wasnt their color/design name, they were all simply called "Nintendo GameCube Controller" which is the name of the article, so it doesnt need to be said. The color/design is usually stated in a small text/box elsewhere on the packaging - its completely separate and is not followed by the word "controller" or anything else.

Link83 (talk) 16:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

GameCube compatibility picture

When I first starting taking picture for Wikipedia, I tried to use Adobe Lightroom to edit the pictures as far as color, sharpness, etc. Except that it changes the picture to 16-bit color and it will almost forever stay that way when you edit it in Photoshop. When saving as a jpg or other file, all this seems to do is mess up the color like crazy, and you don't notice it until you're out of photoshop. It's why I had the picture up, then took it right back down, seeing that the color was all messed up. It seems the only way to get rid of the "taint" of what lightroom did is to go back to the original file and re-edit it from scratch. Meh.

Mostly I wanted to do it just to have pictures be the actual resolution than the 1800px max side that I was going for at first. Anyway, just wanted to say that and why some things might have looked strange.

Always forgetting this: Evan-amos (talk) 06:06, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

GameCube compatibility picture update

this whole talking structure drives me crazy, i can never figure out where to go or where to reply to things.

but i meant more of a color space issue, the 16-bit thing was a pain because i had to lower it to save as a jpg, at least in the default photoshop save thing. i checked it out, and the reason the color was going crazy is because lightroom would change the photo to ProPhoto RGB instead of the normal sRGB IE6. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan-amos (talk • contribs) 20:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

PSP Co-processor talk

The term was set to chip to match the original data that wikipedia links to, ISOHaven. The whole section is copied straight from another site, changing the wording that site uses only for one part is very odd. Especially considering you're involved in an argument about it on another site, and using that very part as your evidence. Dont make your own evidence up. Especially since being wikipedia, you need evidence to back it up If anything, change it to core like the person did for the first processor block Techni (talk) 09:44, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.edepot.com/reviews_sony_psp.html

1. Sharp 4.3 inch LCD

   * 16:9 aspect ratio
   * 480x272
   * 16.77 million colors
   * Four brightness levels (200, 180, 130, 80 cd/m2)
   * AC power unlocks fourth brightness level 

1. Allegrex (CPU/Graphics Processing Chip)

   * MIPS R4000 CPU
         o Little Endian
         o 16KB Instruction Cache, 16KB Data Cache
         o 333 MHz (Maximum)
         o Floating Point Unit
               + 32 General purpose floating point registers.
               + 32bit 
         o Vector Floating Point Unit
               + 128 Single precision floating point registers (IEEE 754)
         +
   * Embedded Graphics Core
         o 166 MHz (Maximum). 111 MHz (Preset Default)
         o Fat: 2MB embedded eDRAM (Video Memory)
         o Slim: 4MB embedded eDRAM (Video Memory) 

1. Media Engine Chip

   * MIPS R4000 CPU
         o Little Endian
         o 16KB Instruction Cache, 16KB Data Cache
         o 333 MHz (Maximum)
         o Fat: 2MB embedded eDRAM
         o Slim: 4MB embedded eDRAM
         o Floating Point Unit 
   * Embedded MPEG-4 (H.264/AVC) hardware decoder
   * Embedded Virtual Mobile Engine sound core
         o Reconfigurable DSP
         o 128bit Bus
         o 166 MHz (Maximum). 111 MHz (Preset Default)
         o 1.2V