AliMD7176

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announcement

Me again. AliMD7176 (talk) 01:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Cabbage. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Jytdog (talk) 17:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Really important advice

You have written comments on the Talk page of the Cabbage article that were very inappropriate for Wikipedia. I took the liberty of removing them, since they are clearly a new editor's mistake. Please review the Talk page guidelines. Please never comment on contributors and please focus your comments on content, sources, and relevant WP:policies and guidelines. If you continue as you have begun, you will get blocked from editing as a warning to behave better, and if you continue beyond, you will face a site-ban. Editing Wikipedia is a privilege that is freely offered to all, but that can be taken away. Please so slow down and learn how things work before you get into arguments. Thank you! Jytdog (talk) 18:23, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

advice

hi AliMD7176:

You are new here and you don't understand the rules very well, much less the spirit that informs them - please slow down, be more humble and open, and learn how we operate before you get into arguments and start looking around for "vested interests" to blame things on.

I am sorry about this, but if you really want to get involved, it turns out that Wikipedia is a pretty complex place. Being an "encyclopedia that anyone can edit" means that over the years, Wikipedia has developed lots of policies and guidelines (PAG) to help provide a "body of law" as it were, that form a foundation for rational discussion.

PAG are described and discussed in a whole forest of documents within Wikipedia that are "behind the scenes" in a different "namespace", in which the documents start with "Wikipedia:" or in shorthand, "WP:" (for example, our policy on edit warring is here: WP:EDITWAR not here EDITWAR). You won't find these documents by using the simple search box above, which searches only in "main space" where the actual articles are. However if you search with the prefix, (for example if you search for "WP:EDITWAR") you will find policies and guidelines. Likewise if you do an advanced search with "wikipedia" or "help" selected you can also find things in "Wikipedia space". The link in the welcome message above the "Five Pillars" points you to our most important policies and I recommend that you read them all, if you have not already and if you intend to stick around! They guide everything that happens here.

Without the foundation that our PAG provides, this place would be both a garbage dump of random content and a wild west - a truly ugly place. But with the foundation, there is guidance for generating excellent content and there are ways to rationally work things out - if, and only if, all the parties involved accept that foundation and work within it. One of the hardest things for new people, is to understand not only that this foundation exists, but what its letter and spirit is. (I keep emphasizing the spirit, because too often people fall prey to what we call "wikilawyering") The more I have learned about how things are set up here - not just the letter of PAG and the various drama boards and administrative tools, but their spirit - the more impressed I have become at how, well ... beautiful this place is. It takes time to learn both the spirit and the letter of PAG, and to really get aligned with Wikipedia's mission to crowdsource a reliable, NPOV source of information for the public (as "reliable" and "NPOV" are defined in PAG!).

With all that in mind, here are some things that I suggest you read (I know, I know, things to read... but like I said, Wikipedia can be complicated!)

• WP:MEDRS - this is our guideline for sourcing health-related content in Wikipedia. This is probably the key thing you are missing right now
• WP:MEDMOS - this our manual of style, for how we write about health-related things. We are very careful not to discuss pre-clinical findings, as well as initial clinical results, as though they are applicable to medicine. We are very conservative in that regard!
• WP:CONSENSUS - Wikipedia has plenty of policies and guidelines, as I mentioned, but really at the end of the day this place is ... a democracy? an anarchy? something hard to define. But we figure things out by talking to one another. CONSENSUS is the bedrock on which everything else rests. So please talk - please never edit war (see warning above). If you make a change to an article and someone else reverts it, the right thing to do is to follow WP:BRD (please do read that) - but briefly, when you are reverted, open a discussion on the article's Talk page. Ask the reason under policy and guidelines why your change was reverted -- and really ask, and really listen to the answer, and go read whatever links you are pointed to. Think about it, and if there is something you don't understand, ask more questions. Please only start to actually argue once you understand the basis for the objection. If you and the other party or parties still disagree, there are many ways to resolve disputes (see WP:DR) - it never needs to become emotional - because we do have this whole "body of law" and procedures to resolve disputes.

Anyway, good luck! Jytdog (talk) 18:04, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I can live with your edit and your advice. AliMD7176 (talk) 19:26, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

great thank you. good luck! feel free to ping me if you have any questions. Jytdog (talk) 19:37, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

will do. AliMD7176 (talk) 19:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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