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List of best-selling Latin albums in the US

Per Billboard and the RIAA's guideline, an album has to be at least 51% recorded in Spanish to be considered a "Latin album". Shakira's Laundry Service is mostly sung in English and is therefore not considered to be a "Latin album" by either organization and is the reason why it did not rank on Billboard's Top Latin Albums chart. In addition, the list is based on this article by Nielsen SoundScan which provided the sales data and doesn't list Laundry Service because, again, it's not mostly sung in Spanish. Erick (talk) 15:04, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for explain :D. Can you help me? the other day checking in ChartMaster I realized that Laundry Service already has 16 million sales so you can help me update on their Wikipedia page since the 13 million sales is very out of date. Can you update it or give me permission to update? Link: https://chartmasters.org/2018/04/data-collector-biggest-cspc-albums-of-the-2000s/?fbclid=IwAR2pbaD2iDZhm_hBFcQzj4L-0P1j-1F7XhDZAgiahVL8Z3XQT8qi8uiwHHw

Chart Masters is listed under Wikipedia:Record charts#Websites to avoid because they don't explain where they are getting their sales figures from. Erick (talk) 15:20, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh okay, thank u. I'm sorry.

Shakira's Laundry Service sales

Hi AlexanderShakifan29,

I saw that you reverted my editions and that of other editors here on Wikipedia regarding the sales of Shakira's Laundry Service album. What we do here on Wikipedia is to put numbers closer to the amount of reliable information we have so that there are no promotional and inflated numbers by fans and record labels. One case that serves as an example is the Michael Jackson's Thriller album, for a long time it was said that sales of this album were around 55 million worldwide, but after his the media started to say that it sold over 100 million, then an RfC was made in the talk page of the article and it was agreed this number was unreal and totally disproportionate to the number of certificates that the album has in the world, so it remained at 66 million, the number was increased because after his death the sales and certifications increased. In the case of Shakira, this album sold around 3 million in the United States and 4 million in Europe and those were the places where she had the biggest sales. So we included in the article the 13 million claim (a gap of around 6 million) to cover missing sales from small markets and other places where the CD also sold well. That is why the 13 million sold is the most suitable to be kept in the article. A claim of 15 million would be very inflated and disproportionate to the number of certificates and sales information we have.--88marcus (talk) 20:33, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

My answer to you

With 13 million claim we have a gap of 5 million records which includes little markets like you mentioned (Peru, Egypt...) in those countries an artists get a gold certification if the artist sold 5,000 or even 3,000 we can't expect the album sold in the millions in countries like that. About Avril Lavigne she is listed here with 16 million sold which is the more accurate to her certifications, she has way more certifications than Shakira and is listed with only 1 million copies more. Tottally disproportionate and inflated.--88marcus (talk) 23:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

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Inflated sales in Draft:List of best-selling albums by women

I saw now that you are creating an article for the best-selling albums of female artists, the current list is full of inflated sales and even contains sales that were decided to be kept with much lower numbers with RFCs made on the article's discussion pages. Please do not do this, each album you include already has on its pages the correct sales, closer to the certificates, all of them are already increased enough considering the time of release, the streams, the certificates and the performance in charts over the years. There is no need for this type of content here.--88marcus (talk) 22:00, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

The inflated 15/20 million copies of Shakira.

Your sum is wrong. The Laundry service has 9.7 million certified copies worldwide, see that in summaries is listed the quantity of all European countries together, there is no need to add all the European countries that are in the table, the 4 million cover even countries that are not in table. In the list you mentioned most of the albums that are in it that have 40 million in sales are albums from the 1970s, at that time there were few organizations that certified albums and all of these albums continued to appear on charts over the years, they are all great catalog sellers, they were released firstly in LP and than in K7 and then in CD and then in digital and than in streaming... The Laundry Service is the opposite of that, he stayed on the charts for about 2 years and then disappeared, there is no information that it continued to sell millions over the years, especially in the United States, which is the largest market for Shakira. It is a false idea that all CDs sell millions after their releases, when the artist finishes promoting the albums (no music videos, no performances, no tour) the interest of the audience decreases and the album become out of catalog soon. The 15 million claim of LS is already over-inflated, 13 million is enough for this album. Christina Aguilera's Stripped and Britney Spears' Britney appear with much less here, 10 million and 9 million even though their performance is similar to the Shakira CD.--88marcus (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hello, good afternoon, unfortunately in my past I opened several accounts due to a blocking of wikipedia in Spanish, from that date until now I have not used another account other than this one, I am aware of what I did but for about 7 months I have not use more beads besides this one. AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 15:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Alexander nice to meet you. I saw on your profile that you are from Perú too. I have been on wikipedia for almost 3 years and have been working on making articles for Peruvian artists. If you're interested in working on articles for Peruvian artists let me know and maybe we can work on them together. English wikipedia is lacking articles from Peruvian pop culture. I have created several articles for Peruvian artists, mainly Gian Marco, and you can see which ones on my user page. Let me know if you're interested in working together on Peruvian articles. FanDePopLatino (talk) 04:33, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Hola!, buenas noches. Disculpame, pensé que sí te había respondido, yo encantado en apoyar. :D AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 04:57, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

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Cultural impact of Shakira

Can you please explain how any of the "Dance" paragraph that you reverted displays any evidence of cultural impact? Richard3120 (talk) 14:14, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Good afternoon, sorry yesterday I reversed an edit thinking that it was again an unnamed user deleting information for no reason. I just read your reason and I think that the dance demonstrates the influence that various styles have on Shakira and how she demonstrates it in each concert she performs. AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 23:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, but that's "the influence that various styles have on Shakira"... the article is supposed to be the other way around, it's supposed to show the influence that Shakira has on various styles and public perceptions. Richard3120 (talk) 23:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

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Listen, I know I haven't been very welcoming, but I do know you mean well. I am inviting you because I think you have the potential to be a very contributor. Plus, we're having [[a contest this May, if you're interested. Erick (talk) 14:48, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Good afternoon user, I know I've made several mistakes so far, I'm still learning on wikipedia, I'd love to contribute to the wikiproject, count me in. AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 20:41, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Just a heads up, YouTube should generally never be used as a source for two reasons: 1) it is a self published source which is not suitable for Wikipedia 2) there's a matter of copyright issues, namely when a video is uploaded by someone who does not own the rights to the original video. Please do not hesitate to ask me anything about Wikipedia as I've been here for over 10 years and even worked on a few Shakira articles. Erick (talk) 19:33, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

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Shakira's articles

Hi, Alexander. I see you have started some drafts about Shakira, and you have others in your to do list. As other users, like Krups Music who gave you similar suggestions, I also think you must start to try trim vague info. Thus, I honestly think you shouldn't create those drafts (let me explain better below), but condense her cultural impact article.

I've noted you're borrowing whole ideas from a more established scholarly reviews on Madonna (my recommendation to you would don't take ES Wikipedia as a guideline to build these entire articles either), as a model to implement a similar treatment to Shakira. My concern with all of these relies that we are giving a false impression, and it can be labeled as original research and beyond. Part of the problems also relies that sources giving are from questionable to mid-quality; scholarly articles are a rarity if not inexistent actually.

I bring to you some examples: I remember seeing in one of these articles, a YouTube reference from a "philosopher", and currently in the Draft:Analysis of Shakira's musical work this from a Scribd document or Culturizando. This YouTube's user is a non-notable figure, and that's a self-published source. Scribd is an e-commerce source, but the main concern comes this article doesn't appear in a scholarly journal or from the University itself. Culturalizando is not a source to take into account per se, as author even is citing Milenio/Wikipedia. And all of them were used to build a whole idea that philosophers or academics have studied her or similar claims with self-made conclusions. Let me ask you something: If Bad Bunny received a course devoted to him or five scholarly articles, we could argue he's a topic among scholars? I honestly don't think so. I only interpret that is part of insolated examples. Shakira seems to be another example as such claims haven't been confirmed by neither an academic or a scholarly paper.

Please don't take it personal. I just think is necessary you to recognize key differences to avoid original research and similar terrains. Regards, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 02:45, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello :D, good night user. Personally, the drafts that I have done so far are mostly due to the fact that information about them has been removed from the cultural impact page for reasons such as that it does not demonstrate her cultural impact. So I prefer to make it an annex with sources that little by little I will improve it. I only seek to amplify the legacies of artists like Gloria, Ricky and most of all Shakira. Now I had to leave editing for a while because I'm more busy with other things. AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 04:59, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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Good day,Okay AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 13:47, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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I thought we are ove rthis, yet again, you make an unsourced claim here. --Muhandes (talk) 19:05, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello user Muhandes, good afternoon, regarding the problem with the figures regarding the certifications on the "Te Felicito" page, it was an oversight of mine, I thought that I had really updated to 600,000 sales but it was a complete mistake. I'm very sorry about that. It won't happen again. AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 21:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

I thught we were over this last time, but Special:Diff/1185733215. Muhandes (talk) 12:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

You are adding incorrect and unsourced certification numbers to all Shakira articles. Certifications smounts in Brazil, per consensus, go after the release date. The template adds the correct numbers per consensus. --Muhandes (talk) 12:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

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Okay, Thank u :) AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 17:10, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for updating the list of best-selling artists, but can you please leave a proper edit summary explaining your edits? TheWikiholic (talk) 17:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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List of Best Selling artists

Hello, can you please update Shakira's certifications on List of best selling music artists? Try Everything is now updated to 3x platinum in the USA. that is +1M — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krups Music (talk • contribs) 10:58, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft:List of best-selling female Latin artists collaboration

I'm almost done with the best-selling Latin artists page and was going over your draft for Draft:List of best-selling female Latin artists. Do you want to continue working on this list? Because it's an interesting topic and I would like to work with you. I already made some bold pages. You can tell me your thoughts. BTW, I lowered the threshold for female Latin music artists if that's alright with you. Erick (talk) 05:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Good afternoon user :), the idea of ​​collaborating with you on the page seems good to me, since I was more focused on other articles I almost didn't go there. AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 17:09, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good! Sundays and Mondays are my days off from work, so that's my most active times editing. BTW, on the main best-selling Latin articles, Jona is proposing to only count certifications from the artist's Latin albums. Just wanted to give you a heads up in case you see Shakira's certifications lower. Thankfully, the best-selling female artists doesn't use certifications so it makes it easier. Erick (talk) 18:11, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I've finished up on my end, feel free to add any Latin female artists. Or if you think it's done, let me know. Erick (talk) 03:50, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

The List of best-selling Latin music artists is finally done! For certifications we are only including Spanish and Portuguese recordings, so when updating Shakira's certs, only include her Spanish/Portuguese recordings. I'm now ready to proceed to the List of best-selling female Latin artists list. Erick (talk) 17:49, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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The source cannot be used as true because the difference is abysmal between less than 35 million certified up to 100 million. In that case artists like Shakira who have 82 million can easily be put at 125 million or more and it is not like that because the certifications are not enough. Have you tried discussing that 100 million Gloria thing? AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 16:06, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

The section on the best-selling artists list says "purported sales" and "claimed sales". Those sales are indeed purported and claimed. Your source claims 75 million (from 1997) and it is certainly possible that she has sold 25 million more records since then. The CBS source is valid. Breaktheicees (talk) 16:49, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Gloria hasn't gotten any major certificates since the early 2000s to say she's sold over 25 million since then. His time where he sold well was between the 80's and 90's. Apart from the fact that the figure of 35 million certified hardly gives an estimated figure of 75 million (Enough in my opinion) to exaggerate it to 100 million (considering that her albums do not enter the sales charts in both Latin and foreign countries) AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 05:00, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Regardless of your personal opinion, her claimed sales still fit the definition of "purported sales" and "claimed sales" on the best-selling music artists page. Estefan is far from being the only artist on that page with lower certified units than what the claimed sales are, and again, the source is still valid. Breaktheicees (talk) 07:13, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

The problem here is that Estefan doesn't have sales chart entries that justify 100 million, she doesn't get certificates, she doesn't enter charts (weekly, monthly or yearly) artists like Aretha who have low certificates are from the 60's so which sales are justified. The case does not occur with Estefan who is from the 80s. I am going to notify the necessary members of this to see how to solve this problem. Good night AlexanderShakifan29 (talk) 05:32, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

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Oasis worldwide sales

Hi can you help me out please ?. I think Oasis have now passed the 75 million records sold worldwide. Can you have a look at this and add them to the list of the beast selling artists please ?. Kind Regards 31.200.189.175 (talk) 17:46, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Oasis have reached the threshold of 75 millon record sales wordwide.

Hello there how are you doing today. I am sure Oasis have reached the 75million album sales threshold. Can you look at this for me please ?. Can they be added to the list of the biggest selling artists of all time please ?. Regards 92.251.150.169 (talk) 10:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)