Adwctam
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AGW computer models edit
From my discussion, the past computer models which were released during the height of global warming support made predictions along the lines of "if mankind doesn't start taking drastic steps to reverse climate change, then in 5-10 years we will be past the tipping point to where even if we devoted 100% of our economy to green energy and all rode horses that we'd be unable to make a dent because we waited too long to act." My followup question stems from there since I want to know which model said that back in 2011 or whenever those most dire warnings came from? (full complete question will be posted to ref-desk this weekend) Adwctam (talk) 06:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- I think you might want to research that question and find some reliable sources first. I've followed the field (as an outsider) for a few years, and I cannot remember any statement like that, at least not in the scientific press. It's true that it becomes harder and harder to achieve certain goals (and indeed impossible once we drift by them), and the the climate system is slow to react (hence we are committed to a lot more warming), but even if we pass certain tipping points that does not mean that "we'd be unable to make a dent". Reducing emission will still be beneficial - it's just that it will reduce the damages and risk from a higher base level. If you drop a hammer on your toe, its still not a good idea to drop a bucket of bricks on top of it.... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 19:10, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
- IIRC, you are referring to comments made by James Lovelock, not to any model. I seem to recall Lovelock saying something very similar, and the media picked up on it a few years back. I think you'll find it if you search for it. Viriditas (talk) 19:41, 5 December 2015 (UTC)